Flacco complains about Tebow coverage

AP

Inevitably, a Tebow backlash has emerged.

And it’s coming from another AFC quarterback whose team is better, whose numbers are better, but who badly trails Tebow in the AFC fan Pro Bowl voting.

“I mean, look at Tim Tebow,” Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco told WNST radio in Baltimore, via NFL.com.  “I like Tim, but you have a tendency to want to — I don’t want to see Tim do bad — but look what happens after he wins a football game.  If you watched SportsCenter today, it was Tim Tebow then something else, Tim Tebow then something else, and Tim Tebow then something else.  When we beat the Steelers, were we on TV?  No.  I couldn’t even find a Baltimore Ravens highlight.  I think that’s kinda the way it is around Baltimore.  We don’t always get our respect but you gotta deal with it and go out there every week and just win football games.”

Flacco believes the Ravens are “disrespected” by the national media.  “The bottom line is we don’t need a lot of help because we have a great fan base every week and we win football games,” Flacco said.  “We’re not a losing football team that needs to be out there in the media and be talked up like we are all-world.  We are.”

Flacco is right.  But media coverage is driven by the interest level from fans.  Nationally, folks want to hear about Tebow.  They aren’t as interested in Flacco.

Really, fans aren’t interested in many/any quarterbacks not named Tebow — including the defending Super Bowl MVP and inevitable 2011 regular-season MVP who is having one of the best seasons of any quarterback in league history.

The difference?  Aaron Rodgers is using the slight as motivation for things he does on the field, not things he says off it.

248 responses to “Flacco complains about Tebow coverage

  1. Did someone say something? I thought I heard Tim Tebow’s name mentioned. Who is that tall guy over there?

  2. I will say it again. We’ve seen this before with Vince Young. He first wins and then teams figure him out and it’s down hill from there. Not saying Tebow will have off the field issues but his star status will soon fade. Sooner or later you will be exposed in the NFL unless you are truly a TALENTED star at your position. That he is not.

  3. Flacco telling it how it is. I think he speaks for all of us when he says he’s tired of hearing about Tebow.

    People will have no choice but to respect the Ravens if they win it all.

  4. Hey Joe, the media is only elevating this poor kid so that they can gleefully take him down once something negative happens. It’s the way of the world old Flacco buddy.

  5. the tone of this article-like many others- and the subsequent comments to follow are as if flacco stepped up onto a soapbox with a megaphone and whined, where the truth is; he was asked a question and gave a truthful answer.

  6. If the media puts Tebow coverage on every station I watch, every 5 minutes, that does not mean I am interested in Tebow – I can assure you. Fans (outside of Denver) aren’t driving the interest, they are forced into it.

  7. Tebow hasn’t choked away a championship game away on a Palomalu tackle yet. When that happens, the hype on him will die down, too.

    Best not to focus on the hype, Joe. Just beat him when you get the opportunity – much better that way.

  8. Flacco wants to complain about no national coverage? Look at the chiefs. when they have a good year no one talks about them at all. and that hurts the chiefs signing big name free agents who want the spotlight for their good plays cuz they wont get attention in kc. at least you can get great players in free agency flacco. and your team is near a coast. midwestern teams get nothing from national media hardly

  9. Just an indictment of how stupid the standard fan is nowadays, and the types of things that are important to them (good ‘stories’, not good teams).

    Denver is winning one game in the playoffs, tops. Probably 0 with having one of the AFC North teams come in there, pretty safe to say Pitt and Balt. are two of the top 5 teams in the league.

  10. 15 touchdowns with 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles lost and you WANT to be in the spotlight? What highlights? One TD pass a game?

    In your fourth year, any major market would have you torn to shreds by now….

    Ray Rice, that’s another story.

    #CmonMan

  11. Cry me a river, Joe. If anyone has a right to gripe about a lack of national media attention it’s the 13-0 defending World Champions whose QB is having a better season than any player ever before him.

    The difference is the Packers swallow their pride, keep their mouths shut and let their play on the field do the talking.

    The record books will tell their story.

  12. The difference? Aaron Rodgers is using the slight as motivation for things he does on the field, not things he says off it.

    Rodgers>Flacco. Bitter, party of one. And don’t say Flacco is brave for saying what undoubtably many other QBs and players think. It’s not bravery, it’s stupidity. Such things should be thought, not spoken. And then used as Aaron Rodgers is using them, if that truly is the case.

  13. Even as a Pats fan,I think the coverage for this past week has been way over the edge. It reminds me of the Super Bowl And Skip Bayless,please !

    I think there will be alot of “temporary new”Pats fans for the game on Sunday. Everyone is a little sick of the coverage this is getting.

    On another hand, maybe when the Ravens actually win something ( which they could) be happy you are under the radar.

  14. Shut up Bert. Tebow didn’t complain when you and Ernie had your own show. Now go back to wallowing in your mediocrity, Joe Dilfer.

  15. Win a game that counts, bitch boy! Nobody talks about you because you haven’t won anything. You have a great chance to do that this year. Shut up & do it. They’ll talk about you!

  16. I know I don’t want to hear about him. I think he’s just filling in the media void created by Favre’s departure.

  17. I’m sure Aaron Rodgers is secretly thanking Tebow for taking the media circus out of his face so he can concentrate on what he really wants to do – repeat.

    Imagine that, going undefeated under the radar!

  18. People don’t want to hear about Tebow. They’re sick of hearing about Tebow. As usual the national media keeps beating a dead horse. Enough is enough.

  19. Flacco himself hasn’t been having a stellar season 4 games with multiple td’s, no last minute comebacks, a bad completion percentage. Heck I live in Bmore, and I feel like he has regressed some.

  20. Flacco:
    1) The Broncos aren’t a losing team either
    2) Maybe quit watching ESPN and watch some film or something
    3) Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow

  21. If I want to see Joe Flacco on my TV, I’ll watch Sesame Street. I hear Joe has a rockin’ paper clip collection.

  22. har21441 – gee, i thought Flacco had more wins than anyone at this point of his career in history…….oh well, you’re right, he sucks! LOL

  23. There goes another raven complaining and whining thereby cementing the fact that they are, without a doubt, the number 1 whining team in the afc. When there is nothing to complain about they find something. Get over it flako. Tebow is set up to take a fall.

  24. “Nationally, folks want to hear about Tebow.”

    Actually they don’t have a choice. Some people do want to discuss him ad nauseum despite the fact his individual play is sub par, but most NFL fans are simply caught in the crossfire. There are thousands of NFL fans who feel he is getting entirely too much credit and coverage and wish it would just stop.

    But since when did the national media cover the league equally? They cover about 6 teams and pretend to know whats going on with the other 26. Ed Werder slept on a cot in Dallas for 10 years for goodness sake (despite their perrenial playoff collapses).

    If Green Bay goes 19-0 and Drew Brees breaks Marino’s passing record, people will talk about that for decades. And the national media will have blown a chance to cover both epic stories because they got caught up in their own artificial hype.

  25. Can see it now headlines Flacco blows big game sunday night and blames Tebow because he was trying to play like him . Joe your not a QB just like Tebows not one its the rest of your team around you and you still stink

  26. Crybaby…..winning regular season games isn’t exactly the Superbowl….but then again, you had a point when you said you received no coverage when you beat the Steelers…..For you that was the Superbowl! Do something and quit crying…

  27. This coming from another 1st rounder who did nothing in college and has been surrounded by actually good offensive talent his whole career. If tebow was with the ravens, they wouldnt have lost to the titans, jags, and seahawks. Good luck getting that new contract big bird.

  28. Tim Tebow is the Kim Kardashian of the NFL…..All style, very little substance!
    ———–
    Actually I can’t think of a worse analogy than this. The guy has no style and is completely unorthodox. There is no more substance than being 7-1 as a starter.

  29. The book on media comments regarding other quarterbacks was written by A. Rodgers. Nobody did better under much more media duress than him.

    But when he got the opportunity, he started talking… on the field. Words beginning with W.

    Focus on your play, let the rings do their talking for you.

  30. Man has a point, It was all about Tebow after their comeback…maybe just maybe Matt Prater hitting a 59 yd FG for the tie and another 50+ for the win had something to do with it.

  31. It is not Tebow’s fault. But the National Media started piling on him & now have to eat crow

    Mr. Flacco, you are the starting QB of the Baltimore Ravens because Tim Tebow allows you to be

  32. Gee, maybe if Flacco didn’t play on a team that was stolen from the city of Cleveland and actually promotes a man involved in a double murder he and the team would get a little more press coverage.

    Last time I checked the NFL is ALL about image and is probably telling the media not to promote the Ravens until it absolutely has to.

    Besides, Flacco just isn’t that good and will most likely be the reason for yet another early exit from the playoffs.

  33. Bottom line is the “Tebow Story is huge and its drawing millions of non football fans into the web. The ground swell is just starting

  34. The media is simply out of control in today’s world of 24 hour coverage. The media, at times, creates the story and then feeds the fire (i.e Tebow, Suh, etc.). It’s out of control and there is no stopping it.

  35. Maybe it’s because no one knows the outcome of the Tebow story yet. It’s a blank page…

    …whereas we all know how the Flacco story ends:
    With him choking-up a game-clinching interception against the Steelers in the playoffs.

  36. Everyone keeps telling Flacco to win something, but from what I can tell he wins a lot. Based on the Ravens going to the playoffs 4 years in a row. Not to mention a few games this year where he managed to come from behind to win, pretty much on the strength of his arm (TD to T. Smith with 8 seconds left vs Pittsburgh, coming back from 24 points down to beat Arizona)

  37. Tebow’s bigger problem is going to come when his own teammates get tired of the hype.

    Sure everyone likes winning, but sooner or later guys on the defensive side of the ball are going to wonder when they are going to get credit for these wins….because it’s the Denver defense that is really winning most of these games.

  38. Yeah national media show some of Joe’s highlights from that nationally televised MNF game back in Jacksonville! Or how about some of those TD throws when he beat the Seahawks, oh wait a second…

  39. I rarely agree with Flaco. But this time he is right. I know many people sick of the constant coverage of an average (at best) running back who can occasionally complete a pass.
    I don’t dislike Tim or want him to fail. Just getting tired of the constant bombarding of stories on him.

  40. Flacco is a idiot, just play the game. For someone who is supose to be smart you are pretty dumb to fall for all of this if you really are falling for this article from theses so called writers.

  41. He needs to stop worrying about media coverage and worry about the playoffs. In particular, playing and beating the Steelers in the playoffs.

    Kids that entered kindergarten the last time the Ravens got to and won the super bowl are now in their senior year of high school. Think about that, and the season at hand, instead of the number of Tebow interviews.

  42. I mean give Tebow credit, The way He stripped the ball from Barber, And then moments later nailed two 50+ yard field goals……Jus sayin!!!!!!!!!!

  43. Dont let your biases fool you, Im no Ravens fan but Flacco is right. I actually cant stomach watching ESPN/2 anymore. Its all Tebow all the time, its ridiculous. BTW ESPN FirstTake should rename their show TebowTake…its utterly ridiculous. The packers are in the midst of going undefeated but not a peep about them or other top Tier teams. Its all about Tim Tebow. Im a JETS fan and I cant WAIT for the hated Patriots to blow them out on Sunday so we as fans can finally get a reprieve from the constant Tebow badgering we have to endure.

  44. bleed4philly:

    Great. More hypothetical situations! If the Eagles had a super bowl ring, maybe you wouldn’t be so bitter towards other teams!

  45. Also coming from a QB that has actually had a great defense and running game since before he got there it means little. Broncos defense has stunk for 5 yrs! Now all the sudden they are good? and Tebow only wins because of them? Hell then why could Orton not win a game?

  46. ya joe keep It real ima tired of hearing about tebow to ill take flacco any day ravens baby ride or die

  47. Whats the big deal about the Tebow hate? He’s a good guy who thanks God and Jesus once in a while. He’s a good story. I’d rather watch or read something about Tebow than some turd like Sam Hurd that turns out to be the Nino Brown of Chicago.

    As for the Crows not getting any love from the National Sports Media, beat the Steelers in the playoffs and that should change. That, or change that awful mascot and colors. That ugly crap turns me off and I’m born and raised in MD.

  48. I love Tim Tebow. He is, in so many ways, the kind of role model children should aspire to be like. His accuracy and throwing style will improve with time; Michael Vick was just as errant a passer when he first came into the league, and his completion percentage is above 60% now. And Tebow isn’t as susceptible to the kinds of injuries Vick has always been.

    That said, I’m a Ravens fan and while I think Flacco is a solid enough QB the Ravens can win a championship with, he comes off as a whiny and jealous guy in these quotes. Maybe they were taken out of context, but they don’t seem very flattering of Flacco. Besides, most talking heads on TV considering the Ravens one of the top three teams in the NFL, and one of the top two teams in the AFC. If that’s not respect, I don’t know what else he’s looking for.

  49. “But media coverage is driven by the interest level from fans. ”

    This is about as patently absurd a statement as I’ve seen lately. Media coverage is driven by the 24/7 news cycle that demands useless information to refresh web pages. Left to their own devices, the average NFL fan would have moved on long ago.

    I would love to see the data you’re using to arrive at the conclusion that NFL fans as a group want “all Tebow all the time”. We don’t want that any more than we want “all Favre all the time” or “all James Harrison all the time”. Oh wait, sensing a media trend here…

  50. Maybe Joe should be more concerned with the San Diego Chargers coming up instead of all the publicity Tim Tebow is getting . . . unless he wants to try to make it to Indy the hard way . . . via the Wild Card.

  51. Beat teams like the Seahawks and we’ll talk. It’s clear that beating the Steelers was the Ravens super bowl as its all they ever talk about. Say what you want about Pittsburgh, but at least when they sweep the Ravens nearly every year they don’t jam it down your throat in every quote for the next month.

  52. I can’t say I really want to hear about Tebow, but that is what the media keeps putting out. I think Timmy should be getting his defensive players some really nice christmas presents. After all they are the ones that keep them in the game until the end. To me it seems like Tim only makes 2-3 good drives a game (at the end) and gets all the credit.

  53. @ zippy33 says:Dec 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    He helped win at least 2, that “counted” this year, Stiller.

    They don’t count unless they either beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs or win the AFC. What good is a moral victory when you are as good as Baltimore? If those two victories make your season, then you need to quit now!

  54. I hate the wording of this article, all Flacco did was answered a question that shouldn’t have been asked of him. How the hell is Tebow relevant to Joe Flacco? So the fact that he said any of this doesn’t bother me at all, it shouldn’t have been asked of him.

  55. “Shouldn’t he be more worried about shaving his uni-brow?”

    LOL

    No need for anymore comments after this one. I dub thee winner of the thread.

  56. Flacco, you just validated my reasoning for you being overrated. Now go back to being a QB that can’t win anything that counts.

  57. toegoat says:
    Dec 16, 2011 1:45 PM

    Flacco was a member of The Second Mile as a young boy…. just saying.

    ____________________________

    Was this meant to be funny? Well, it wasn’t.

  58. I am not a big fan of Tebow’s personna. But his 4th Quarter passer rating (when games are on the line) is far better than Flacco’s. The Broncos were 1-4 when Tebow was put into the lineup and are now 8-5. At some point, you have to give Mr. 7-1 some credit. I would also bet that Flacco and company all hope Tebow and Denver win this Sunday. You have to figure that Tom Brady has even more focus going into that game.

  59. Im with Flacco, tired of the media forcing Tebow down our throats. Before that it was Mike Vick, then Tom Brady, and who could forget Favre for 5 years every off season. Like there isn’t any other teams or players in the league? The media insults out intelligence by guessing what we want to see covered.

  60. Joe Flacco says:

    When we beat the Steelers, were we on TV? No. I couldn’t even find a Baltimore Ravens highlight. I think that’s kinda the way it is around Baltimore. We don’t always get our respect but you gotta deal with it and go out there every week and just win football games.”

    ***********************************************************

    When beating the Steelers is basically the team’s self-professed equivalent of winning a SB, I’m pretty sure you have your reason as to why the national media doesn’t pay that much attention to you on a year-to-year basis.

  61. Flacco: “Wahhhhhhh!!”

    Come on, when you come from behind as many times as Tebow has, and you have the record as a starter that Tebow has, he deserves some media attention.

    Flacco comparing all that to the Ravens beating the Steelers is ridiculous. That was 1 win; not all that Tebow has accomplished so far.

    On the other end of it, yes, it will probably all fade away eventually as soon as Tebow begins to falter. Then, he will just be another flash in the pan in the media’s eyes.

    I, personally, believe Tebow will be an above average long-term starter in the NFL. I don’t think he’ll maintain his current pace of comebacks and wins though.

  62. He has a point,
    I flip on ESPN 1, Tebow. ESPN 2, Tebow, NFL Network, Tebow.

    Meanwhile you’ve got a Team that’ll probably be 19-0, a QB who will top Marino’s Passing Yard Record, a Young QB stepping out of his Brother’s shadow, a proud franchise making it’s first playoff appearance since 2002, another franchise that was 0-16 3 years ago probably going to the playoffs… non of these things are discussed as much (if at all) as that QB that can’t complete more than 2 passes a game… smh.
    This is an embarassment to the Sports Media… Tebow, smh.

  63. Tebow deflects the praise he gets onto his players, and takes the heat when things aren’t going right.

    Flacco wants his team on the highlights.

    Tebow has helped his team to victory numerous times this season.

    Flacco could be replaced in BMore and no one would no the difference.

  64. Joe, it’s not news when you win. The Ravens are a far better team and you’re a far more highly rated QB then Tebow. The reason he’s getting more coverage is because according to all the talking heads on FOX, CBS, NBC, and NFL Network, this guy SHOULDN’T BE WINNING. So, get over it and do your job dude. I mean what are you? 12? You want good press, do something BOTH good AND unexpected. Let Tim have his 15 minutes.

  65. “bigperm33 says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:22 PM
    typical Ravens – love to complain. No team complains about on and off field issues the way the Ravens do.”

    AMEN brother. Is he really complaining about pro bowl votes? Who cares…!

    By the way, this week totally fits the trend for a Ravens loss…

    and if so, this comment might give the Broncos some motivation if its Baltimore-Denver in the playoffs.

  66. I’m sorry but you’re wrong. I don’t want to hear another word about Tebow and I think most people feel the same way.

  67. Joe didn’t say a single thing that wasn’t true. It is hard to watch ESPN or NFL Network when every other word is Tebow. I like reading and hearing about all teams, not just Tebow. One would think that he plays on that team all by himself.

    To quote the great sackmaster T Sizzle “If they don’t give us the respect we deserve, we will take it by force”

    Ravens Indy bound!

  68. Just to show you how desperate everyone is to get a Tim Tebow related story, Flacco’s comment was made on a rinky-dink AM sports talk station that might reach a 20 mile perimeter on a cloudless, windless, sunny day. How MF was able to find this clip only God (Tebow/Tesus/Tesus Christ) only knows. Unless the Ravens put it on their webstie….by an act of Tebow.

  69. I hope the Broncos and Tebow have to come to M&T Bank Stadium for a playoff game. Not a chance Tebow can pulls off a win in Baltimore.

  70. Flacco, Barkley and everyone else who say they’re “tired” of Tebow but talk about him are too stupid to realize that they are only fueling the fires. Oh, the irony is so rich!

    The Tebow haters want everyone else to shut up but them. So keep talking. We Tebow lovers appreciate it.

  71. mikemyditka says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:39 PM
    “bigperm33 says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:22 PM
    typical Ravens – love to complain. No team complains about on and off field issues the way the Ravens do.”

    AMEN brother. Is he really complaining about pro bowl votes? Who cares…!

    By the way, this week totally fits the trend for a Ravens loss…

    and if so, this comment might give the Broncos some motivation if its Baltimore-Denver in the playoffs.

    ______________________________________

    It actually doesn’t, Baltimore isn’t coming off a big win here, they are coming off of a systematic domination of an inferior opponent. The past 2 games they have dominated the other team and finally look more like the norm for a John Harbough team, on that wins the ones it is supposed to. Just like this San Diego team is a team they are supposed to beat.

  72. Yet another example of why some players shouldn’t content to interviews, or otherwise keep their moth shut; he sound like an idiot.
    Perhaps he should take some time from the interview circuit and concentrate, instead, on learning how to read defenses, something he completely lacks!

  73. This football fan certainly isn’t driving the Tebow coverage. I’m sick of it. I wouldn’t let my son watch Sports Center this morning because I was so tired of the Tebow mania.

    He’s a very good quarterback. But he’s NOT the best. Why is there such carrying on about his performance against the Bears? There was nothing noteworthy about the first 3 3/4 quarters of the game. Then a mistake by Barber gave the Broncos an opening. Tebow only got them LESS THAN HALFWAY down the field. It was the remarkable 59-yard field goal kick that is what the sports media should be talking about; THAT saved their bacon, not Tebow. And it was the kicker who got them the win. How does that make Tebow worth all this hype?

    Praising a QB for managing to pull it together at the last minute after a ho-hum game is like praising some uprepared, lost hiker for surviving overnight in the woods before the rescue team finds him: maybe he shouldn’t have got himself into that situation, and isn’t it the rescue team who saved his life?

  74. electstat says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM
    Tebow deflects the praise he gets onto his players, and takes the heat when things aren’t going right.

    Flacco wants his team on the highlights.

    Tebow has helped his team to victory numerous times this season.

    Flacco could be replaced in BMore and no one would no the difference.

    _________________________________________

    Flacco has the full support of his coaching staff, front office and team.

    Tebow may have his team convinced, but it is obvious on John Elway’s face that he hasn’t bought into the Tebow style yet. And with good reason, but that is an entirely different argument

  75. I agree with some of what Flacco says but at the same time, Ravens haven’t really had any highlights worth a damn since Boldin killed AZ for what 2-3 TD’s. Also Flacco isn’t very good to being with, I don’t see how his even in the top 5 for pro bowl votes.

  76. People keep saying Flacco doesn’t win when it counts, yet he’s produced 5 playoff wins in 3 years. Two regular seasons in a row he’s beaten Pitt in the last minute at their house. If Anquan Boldin doesn’t drop a touchdown and the defense doesn’t give up a 3rd and 17 bomb to Antonio Brown, the Ravens likely make the Super Bowl last year.

    People criticized Flacco for not getting past Big Ben. He’s now done that twice this year. Now we will have to wait and see if he can back this up in the playoffs

    Sure Flacco hasn’t won the big one yet. NEITHER HAVE 25 OTHER QBS CURRENTLY STARTING IN THE NFL.

    Blame Flacco for the Jacksonville loss. Yes he sucked it up. But I’m pretty sure David Reed fumbled twice and Billy Cundiff missed 2 FGs in Seattle.

    Get off his back people. He was just answering a question (with an accurate answer)

  77. WHHHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Sorry, Joe… even if there were no Tebow – or no other QB in the league – still no one would be interested in what you have to say. Win a superbowl, then step up to the mike. You’re worse than your loser ratbird fans.

  78. Just tells you how pathetic the Ravens are. Success for them is defined by beating the Steelers. Last time I checked, beating the Steelers only matters in the playoffs. How’s that going for you, Joe?

  79. Anyone using the stupid “game winning drives” argument: Flacco has as many game winning drives this year as Aaron Rodgers. Does that mean that Flacco is as good as Aaron Rodgers? Heck no. You don’t need “game winning drives” when you’re already ahead. Hate to be blunt… but if you have to continually lead “game winning drives”, maybe you wouldn’t have to if you didn’t suck for the first three quarters.

  80. “The difference is the Packers swallow their pride, keep their mouths shut and let their play on the field do the talking.”

    Their fans, however…

  81. What can you do when you are force fed something. Just for the record, the fans would love to see something other than Tebow once in a while.

  82. It’s all true though…the media is so hung up on Tebow they’re ignoring every other team in the league. I’m not a Texans fan, but come on! Not only did they make the playoffs for the first time in franchise history, but they won their division! That’s news/coverage worthy…more than Tebowmania or whatever. I think the Texans were disrespected in that aspect — all they got was “Texans beat Falcons…they’re in the playoffs”…”now back to Tebow”.

    Frankly, I don’t mind Tebow, I don’t dislike him…yet. Simply, I don’t care for anything related to the Broncos, but dammit, the media annoys the hell out of you with the constant coverage that you end up hating the guy for no good reason except unnecessary overexposure.

  83. Baltimore Ravens have gained the reputation for being the dirtiest players in the game. Other teams hate playing them because they do in fact take cheap shots whenever they can. Joe is just doing what they do best. They are what the Raiders used to be.

    The media does love Tebow, and so do a growing number of fans, because it’s not just a job to him. He is passionate about the game and grateful for everything in his life. That can be contagious and inspire others.

    There are QBs out here with more of a skill set (Cutler, Brees, Brady, … and yes, even Flacco). Skill doesn’t get you anything unless you have the ‘team’ working with you to win.

    If you could take the ‘team spirit’ of the Broncos and put it in the skill set of the Ravens they would be unstoppable. So how about it Joe … are the Ravens all on the same page or are there elements only out for themselves? Guess we will find out soon enough.

  84. We in Denver are used to not being covered, nuggets, avs, rockies never really get on tv too much. What makes the Tebow thing big is he is winning even tho everyone says he shouldn’t be. Since he was in college every expert said he couldnt win in the nfl and he is. When he loses it will get even worse. Of course this won’t last forever and Denver and other mid market teams will take a back seat. At least he doesn’t play for ny, la or chi. If he was in ur city right now and playing for ur team u would love it. And we would hate u.

  85. I am sick of the media’s love affair with Tebow. I am at the point of changing the channels as soon as I see a Bronco’s uniform. I’d much rather hear more stories about the other teams. Hell, the Packers are on track for a perfect season and the Bronco’s still get more coverage. Where are the stories about the three head coaches getting fired this week?
    Where are the stories about the other teams turning their seasons around? I just don’t understand the modern media’s willingness to latch onto a story and milk it do death.

  86. Who cares what the media focuses on? I don’t need some overpaid sports fan pretending to be a journalist to stroke my ego constantly and tell me my team or it’s players are great.

    13-0 is all I need to hear.

    Besides, I have no interest in constantly hearing what I already know. Aaron Rodgers is great and so are the Packers. When I want news of the Packers I go to the local Packer papers in Green Bay and Milwaukee. They give me more in-depth information other than “golly gee this quarterback sure is good.” (a.k.a. Gruden)

  87. nwstreethawk says:
    Dec 16, 2011 3:09 PM
    Baltimore Ravens have gained the reputation for being the dirtiest players in the game. Other teams hate playing them because they do in fact take cheap shots whenever they can. Joe is just doing what they do best. They are what the Raiders used to be.

    The media does love Tebow, and so do a growing number of fans, because it’s not just a job to him. He is passionate about the game and grateful for everything in his life. That can be contagious and inspire others.

    There are QBs out here with more of a skill set (Cutler, Brees, Brady, … and yes, even Flacco). Skill doesn’t get you anything unless you have the ‘team’ working with you to win.

    If you could take the ‘team spirit’ of the Broncos and put it in the skill set of the Ravens they would be unstoppable. So how about it Joe … are the Ravens all on the same page or are there elements only out for themselves? Guess we will find out soon enough.

    _________________________________________

    Who the hell on the Ravens is “Dirty”? The closest I can think of is LeRon McClain’s spitting incident, and he is no longer with Baltimore

  88. I agree with Flacco but the media and all those experts brought it on themselves by saying that he would not make it. I think the fans are responding because they would like to see someone Beat the experts and Tebow is doing that. If the pundits and experts (e.g. Shannon Sharpe) would shut up then it would all go away.

  89. Two things Flacco should be worried about:
    1. He’s worse than Trent Dilfer
    2. Because of #1, he’ll never sniff a superbowl win

    Showing the Ravens true color – green w/ envy.

  90. lawyermalloy says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:51 PM
    Yet another example of why some players shouldn’t content to interviews, or otherwise keep their moth shut; he sound like an idiot.
    Perhaps he should take some time from the interview circuit and concentrate, instead, on learning how to read defenses, something he completely lacks!

    _________________________________________

    You realize players are required to speak with the media right? Refusal to do so is what got Marion Barber fined this week.

  91. Yeah, so many people “tired” of hearing about Tebow. Funny thing is I bet most weren’t too tired to hear about him when the news was all bad.
    Interesting that in QB rating Flacco is 21st and Tebow is 14th. I’m sure that has nothing to do with it.

  92. Get drafted 100 spots before your suppose to, suck for the first 3 quarters and 8 minutes of every game, mess up your technique, form and mechanics on all your throws, smile from the time you wake up till the time you go to bed, get along with every player in the nfl and win 7 out of 8 games and there is a good chance that your name with be mentioned on sportscenter too Joe

  93. @eastonfmly

    I agree with you. The hate on Tebow was ridiculous. Huge props to Tebow for proving them wrong, but even bigger props to John Fox for realizing that the way to win with Tebow is with a fast-paced option-style offense. I always said if someone finds a way to get that offense into the NFL, Tebow is the man I’d want running it. So much of his performance is determined by momentum and energy. Last thing I’d do to a QB like that is make him line up under center and try to be conventional.

    That said, Tebow is getting more attention to Aaron Rodgers. That’s just wrong. Rodgers is as friendly and humble as Tebow, he’s just a man of few words. What Flacco is saying is that it is unfair to judge him (Flacco) based on how many times he’s won a super bowl (zero) and not have that same system of judgment for Tim Tebow.

    I think people are forgetting that while Tebow is a great story, you’re looking at a tree and missing the whole darn forest. The entire Broncos team is a great story. The entire team deserves credit, not just Tebow. Where would they be without McGahee? John Fox? Their defense led by Brian Dawkins? Just saying, it’s a team game, so give the team credit. That’s why I find the Tebow attention to be extremely wrong and annoying.

  94. golonger says: Dec 16, 2011 1:40 PM

    Tim Tebow is the Kim Kardashian of the NFL…..All style, very little substance!

    ======================

    Very little substance? Are you referring to substance as in the substance Hurd has been caught trying to buy & sell? Then yes he has very little of that.

  95. There are certain QB’s that can complain about Tebow, and Flacco IS NOT them!

    ESPN Ranks the QB’s.
    Tebow – 14. 11TD / 2 INT.
    Flacco – 21. 15 TD / 9 INT.

    Look Joe, the Ravens are not winning BECAUSE of you, but in spite of. There is a reason your own GM has not started talking contract extension with you, and it is because you are not that good. Take Ray Rice out of your back field, and you would be lucky to win 8 games, even with your defense.

    You are just about as good as Trent Dilfer. You are on a team with a great D, and one of the 5 best RB’s in the game.

    In passing YPG, you rank 15th. Forget about the greats, you are behind Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, Rex Grossman AND Josh Freeman. One is a rookie, 1 is a has been, and 2 are never will be’s. ALL of them throw for more yards per game than you.

    And, as for not seeing the Ravens on TV after you beat the Steelers, were you even watching? All we hear about how the Ravens have the inside track to the #1 seed. Just remember this, lose to either the Chargers or Bengals, you will be on the road for the playoffs again this year.

    And guess what? It will be the same result.

  96. @zaggs:

    QB rating? Oh, if you want to go by that, Tebow is also better than John Elway. If you agree with that, you’re either a bandwagon Broncos fan or you need mental help.

  97. This has got a to be a joke, this guy was pointing out the what every fan feels like who isn’t Broncos fan or a born again Christian.

    He is a 26 year old quarterback who among all the criticism has been under center for a winning team for his entire career and has won at least 1 game in the postseason every year, pretty or not. Yes, he may not be elite but he’s the best QB Baltimore has had besides the late Steve McNair and last time I checked he didn’t do crap in the playoffs for a team who went 13-3 in ’06.

    Whether or not you like him, there are probably at least 26 other franchises that would kill for a QB that has done what Flacco has done.

    Give the kid a break, he’s expecting his first kid for Tebow’s sake.

  98. golonger says: Dec 16, 2011 1:40 PM

    Tim Tebow is the Kim Kardashian of the NFL…..All style, very little substance!

    —————————————–

    Huh? Tebow has no substance?

  99. I love every minute of the Tewbow bashing, it reminds me of high school. You rememeber, little boyz putting down the guy all the girlz wanted. The little boyz all wish they were him, but since they were not “He Sucked”, gotta love humans….

  100. To all you Flacco-bashing, Ravens haters out there talking about Joe not winning anything; what has Tebow won?? To all you who say that the Ravens consider beating the Steelers as there SB, its because that’s the ONLY team that’s stop them from getting there, and as of this yr, that’s not gonna happen, and Tomlin knows it; and to everyone who thinks that The Ravens won’t be in Indy holding the Lombardi that they just took from his Pack, see me in Feb. Tebow is all hype, hasn’t beaten a top tier defense since he’s been starting, unless you count the Jets, and I for one am glad that windbag named Ryan is in NY, and not BMORE.

  101. nickster31 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM

    There are certain QB’s that can complain about Tebow, and Flacco IS NOT them!

    ESPN Ranks the QB’s.
    Tebow – 14. 11TD / 2 INT.
    Flacco – 21. 15 TD / 9 INT.

    —————————————–

    Anyone who puts stock in anything ESPN does, has to either be a moron, or just doesn’t know any better.

  102. Tebow is getting an incredible amount of coverage! His team is winning – its awesome.

    Rodgers is having the best year ever! Its incredible the things they are doing in Green Bay!

    More people should be talking about the job that Rodgers is doing.

    Flacco is just stating a factual answer to what he was asked about. And, if you listen to the commentators you would swear they live in every opposing city we play. Its nuts sometimes.

  103. The Ravens have an excellent, well coached team. In my opinion they are the team with the best chance of beating the Packers. If any defense can stop the Packers, it’s them. The Pats and Colts have shown recently that “unstoppable” offenses are often stopped for a game in the post season. Although Flacco is inconsistent, the Ravens can score on the GB defense.

    Having said that, other than Ray Rice I’ve yet to hear one of them say something intelligent.

  104. How come nobody ever got Bradied, or Manning-ed, or Elwayed or even Montana-ed????

    I admit, it woulda been nice if somebody got Tittled!!! LOL

  105. @ zippy33 says:Dec 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    He helped win at least 2, that “counted” this year, Stiller.

    Hey zippy…..only ONE game REALLY ‘counts’ per season, so ‘put a ring on it’, then we’ll talk.

    GO STEELERS!

  106. Gosh, I wish I could show up to work 15 minutes out of every hour and still get credit for being there for the whole hour.

    Signed,
    Everybody not named Tebow.

  107. I’m tired of hearing about Tebow as well but Maybe Joe if you were more exciting and dominating you would have coverage.

    I will be glad with Raven gives Tyrod Taylor a chance at QB… He is much more better and excited to watch.

  108. Whoever wins the AFC North is going to the Super Bowl! Not sure if either of us can beat Greeen Bay. I think our only hope is the Saints beating them. I think we would both stack up better against the Saints. Still gonna be tough to win either track meet.

  109. Flacco needs to understand that there is only going to be so much love nationally for a team that was stolen.

    Otherwise I agree with him. Surely even Jesus is tired of the Tebow coverage.

  110. Flacco just needs to shut up and play and let his stats do the talking for him. If you have watched some of his performances this year, he also has had a couple of Tebow type games in the first three quarters of play, statistically speaking of course, and sometimes he QB skills and ability to throw the ball down the field are “Tebowesque.”

  111. @flavadave10

    Great. More Philly hate. Maybe it’s not that I hate Joe Flacco, I just had to deal with a loser qb for the past 10 years. And maybe it’s the fact I actually like Tebow. What’s so hypothetical about having a great college career? The guy was already a star before he got here. Get a clue.

  112. Haha Flacco simply states he thinks the media attention on Tebow is over the top and hes a whiner? Well then whoever posted on this topic saying Flacco is a whiner is well, using their own logic, a whiner too…

    And for the Pittsburgh comments… ask any steelers fan what the best rivalry in sports is and the majority will without a doubt say Ravens vs. Steelers… so if a team wins the best rivalry in sports, it doesnt deserve any attention??? Do you see how stupid you sound when you complain about the ravens expecting coverage when they beat you twice…

  113. edgarallan926 says:
    Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM

    He is a 26 year old quarterback who among all the criticism has been under center for a winning team for his entire career and has won at least 1 game in the postseason every year, pretty or not. Yes, he may not be elite but he’s the best QB Baltimore has had besides the late Steve McNair and last time I checked he didn’t do crap in the playoffs for a team who went 13-3 in ’06.

    Whether or not you like him, there are probably at least 26 other franchises that would kill for a QB that has done what Flacco has done.
    =================================

    Anyone with a quarterback rating of less than 80 really shouldn’t be complaining about the attention other quarterbacks are getting right now. I really don’t give a crap about him winning post season games in three consecutive years as he has NOT been the reason the team has won those games as demonstrated by his 4 TD 7 INT (not to mention three fumbles in seven games) history in the playoffs. As far as 26 other teams wanting Flacco over their own guy, that’s a freaking joke. Your telling us that he’s in the top 6. HA!!!!!! I guess you’ll qualify that not to include injured quarterbacks like Manning and Schaubb. But Flacco’s passer rating is 21st in the NFL right now and he’s looking up at such luminaries such as Mark Sanchez, Andy Dalton, and even Tim Tebow. Flacco has even been given some nice weapons this year and he still is struggling. He is absolutely one of the last people who should be mouthing off about lack of publicity.

  114. Are you kidding me Flacco???

    Every time I turn on that propaganda Sportscenter, all I see and hear about is that knife wielding/slashing Ray Lewis.

    Get a life Unibrow!!

    One and done in the playoffs for the most overrated NFL team in history, yes, the Ravens!

  115. “When we beat the Steelers, were we on TV? No. I couldn’t even find a Baltimore Ravens highlight. ”

    In a nutshell, that single comment shows how the Ravens feel about playing the Steelers. It is their Super Bowl. I sincerely hope we meet again in the playoffs, since the last laugh is the best.

    Flacco shouldn’t waste time worrying or commenting about Tebow like this. Who cares? Flacco really hasn’t played that well this year. Meanwhile, Tebow for whatever reason has led the Broncos to a number of wins/comebacks and is popular because of his alleged lower QB skill set. He is a media darling right now. But again, who cares?

    And what’s worse for Flacco, now God will be mad at him and the Ravens!

    GO STEELERS!!

  116. Sorry Flo, if you really think that “Nationally, folks want to hear about Tebow”, it shows that your out of touch with the majority of the NFL’s fan base. The Tebow love fest is causing a backlash and growing anti-Bronco sentiment all across the country.

  117. “But media coverage is driven by the interest level from fans. Nationally, folks want to hear about Tebow. ” Uhh NO! Actually,those of us who don’t live in Denver,DON’T care to be bombarded by all things Tebow every ten seconds. Watching ESPN this morning was excruciating! But then again ,watching ESPN most mornings are as well…………..

  118. Maybe because you lose to teams like Seattle and get manhandled by Jaxonville? All world I think not. And people talk about Tebow because he overachieves regularly which is fun to watch. Watching someone like Flacco underachieve isnt entertaining. You arent a wiining team because of you, thats for sure.

  119. Too many Ray Lewis comments over the years.
    Listen up haters.

    The 2 morons arrested with Ray were tried for murder-the murder you accuse Ray of being a party to.

    The 2 morons were found INNOCENT.

    Get that? They did not commit murder nor did Ray Lewis.

  120. Yeah… because you are so good Flacco…
    Back in the shallow end buddy… ESPN shows Tebow because what he’s doing has really never been seen before.
    I never in my life have said “I can’t wait to see some Flacco coverage”
    Flaccotime?? No
    TEBOWTIME! Get used to it haters.

  121. The Tebow phenomenon is a great example of ESPN becoming a sports news maker rather than a reporter of sports news.

    I’m not hating on Tebow. I pull for the guy, but I’m beginning to get uncomfortable with the disproportionate attention that ESPN in particular gives to the guy. This is a man bites dog scenario and we are all talking about it because it is dominating ESPN’s coverage right now.

  122. joe flacco is a joke. he is the third best qb in his own division. isnt this “all world” team the sane one that lost to seattle? what a joke. ravens one and done in playoffs.

  123. Exactly why Flacco doesn’t get any respect, he’s worried about crap that doesn’t even matter. This dude’s a piece of work.

  124. Plenty of highlights of the Falcons dropping 41 points on a Jags team that Flacco couldn’t get past.

  125. bengaldan,
    Don’t be bitter that your team barely gets shown in its own market.

    How many times have the Bengals been to the playoffs since Joe Flacco has been the Ravens QB? I guess the joke is Joe doesn’t know what its like to stop playing after 16 games.

  126. Everybody agrees that the Tebow coverage is out of hand, but one of the last people to be worrying about it is the QB of a team that could be the AFC #1 seed come playoff team. Quit worrying about it Joe and leave the jealousy at the door. He’s jealous because he and Tebow are both overrated QB’s, but Tebow finds a way to help his team win where Flacco is usually one of the main reasons his team loses, I’m sure after his whining, he’ll lay an egg on Sunday and Baltimore will drop down the seeding ladder and have to make another go of it through the playoffs on the road. Flacco has been overrated since he came into the league and continues to be so year in and year out. The man barely completes over half of his passes. He is Tebow with a better arm and less intangibles. Another thing Joe, the Ravens do the same thing year in and year out, make the playoffs and watch Pittsburgh celebrate in front of them, do something special and earn the coverage.

  127. He’s right. I turned on NBC Sports Talk today and Russ was blathering about how much of a cultural phenomenon “Tebow mania” is. They even showed a clip of one of the Republican candidates talking about him at a debate. When politicians start throwing his name around for brownie points, you can be assured that the rest of the public is probably sick of it already.

    Besides, Mike, you can say all you want about the media being driven by fan interest, but the media is the one throwing around labels like “Tebowmania” and making a week’s worth of stories about one weekend football game. If you honestly believe what you wrote, then you’re pretty naive.

    I liked watching him win the first couple times. Then it just started to get boring sitting through three and a half quarters of bad offense just to see the end of the game. I don’t dislike the kid (aside from his proselytizing), but the media coverage is now nauseating, and if him losing means that we can talk about something else for a change, then I hope he loses. And let me reiterate, none of this has anything to do with Tebow, it’s entirely about the media coverage (which is exactly what Flacco was saying).

    I turned NBC Sports Talk off after ten seconds of the Tebow talk. Wake me up when you guys are done.

  128. Someone tell both Flacco and Rodgers that football is entertainment, not brain surgery, and that both their teams are so much better than most of the teams they play that their games are not as much fun to watch. Tebow is the underdog/underperformer to all the NFL TV football experts which makes us want him to win all that much more. Nothing personal against Flacco or Rodgers. If Joe starts to use the QB option approach I’ll watch more Raven games.

  129. @vincentbojackson

    “Plenty of highlights of the Falcons dropping 41 points on a Jags team that Flacco couldn’t get past.”

    Two words: Cam Cameron.

  130. Yep ESPN should stop showing highlights of stolen teams like the ….

    Rams, since St. Louis stole them from L.A.

    Titans, since Nashville stole them from Houston

    Colts, since they were stolen from Baltimore

  131. Flacco was not dissing Tebow, he was slamming ESPN for a lack of coverage of other winning team such as the undefeated Packers.

    As for the steeler comment unfortunately he is right, whenever Pitt beats Baltimore it is the lead story on Sportcenter that week. Never the other way around. Since 2000 the Ravens are 12W – 15L vs Pitt so yes people a raven win does happen with some regularity

    This year in the Ravens 2nd win and in highlight ready dramatic fashion with 8 secs Flacco beats Pitt at Heinz field and there is NOTHING?? The story is buried …. I guess it doesn’t fit the ESPN narrative

  132. Joe Flacco? Had trouble remembering who he played for tbh.

    Ravens play in that 2 team division with the Steelers. No reason to follow what goes on there.

    Ravens won a superbowl once. A lot of people really don’t like the Steelers. We like the Ravens to knock out the Steelers every year then lose.

    When has Cleveland or Cincinati won that division?

    That division is a complete turn off.

  133. The difference is Baltimore wins without Flacco.

    Denver doesn’t win without Tebow.

    Flacco, you’re a hack.

  134. @dmobey

    “Denver doesn’t win without Tebow.”

    I think you mean Denver doesn’t win without Marion Barber. Last week, anyway.

    They won’t lose to the Pats without him, either.

  135. Wait… He said they beat the Steeler twice and hes getting no coverage? Sounds like he couldn’t care less if he made the play offs, he beat the Steelers twice!!! Joe… Beat the Steelers IN the playoffs and maybe you will get coverage.

    Honestly, if any of you actually WATCH Tebow play.. you will see hes not really that good and he him self has the Dilfer’esqu’ smell to him, as the Broncos run game and Defense, have kept them in the game, save for the Vikings… but seriously its the Vikings….

  136. Mike, where do you get that fans aren’t interested in any quarterback not named Tebow? Yeah, I have a lot of people talking to me about Tebow–but not one of them is an NFL fan. They’re all either NCAA/Gator fans or people who just think it’s wonderful to see a nice boy doing so well. That’s fine. I like the guy myself. But are those people really interested in the National Football League? No. So let’s just keep in perspective what “fans” we’re talking about.

  137. “Actually I can’t think of a worse analogy than this. The guy has no style and is completely unorthodox. There is no more substance than being 7-1 as a starter.”

    Wrong…Teblow is “styling” like he is a QB but he has no substance in as far as being an NFL caliber QB

    Tim Teblows

  138. bengaldan – you’re a joke…if you think Dalton (over-rated by a mile) is better than Flacco, you know nothing about football. You might want to wait until Dalton wins 7 or 8 games…LOL. Even if Dalton WAS any good….he won’t be for long. After that absolute joke of an NFL franchise gets done with him!

  139. QBs with dominating Ds and running games who throw for 197, 163, 137, 161, and 158 as 4 year pros should not compare themselves to Tebow after 11 starts.

    Flacco has been a bad joke in 6 of his first 7 playoff starts. He gets so many chances because of superior teammates. Its not like Tebow ever had a 34 yard passing day in the playoffs. Through 5 career playoff games Flacco had 1 passing TD, 6 INTs, a 47.5 % , 132 yards a game for a 46.5 rating.

    If Joe Not-So-Cool wants to find overrated, he should check the mirror. The Ravens carry Flacco. Tebow earns his job in Denver.

    A QB who may go 12-4 and have 2700 yards passing and 985 yards rushing over his first 16 starts with a winning record and an all-time TD/INT ratio (3.2 to 1) was drafted far too late in round 1 at this point.

    It is more likely to see Flacco ruining another Ravens playoff run than Tebow flaring out after this year.

  140. Why not just let it play itself out? It really shows how starved the media is to pull the rug out from under someone. Our media “builds up to break down.” But I believe the joke will be on the media. As unique as Tim’s style is, its not going anywhere. Dont you notice how UNFAZED he is by all the attention? I believe the plan is to create excessive “pressure”. Please remember he is a Christian in a Secular world…. The last thing they want him to do is succeed…Too bad… He’ll just fine! Go Broncos.

  141. jessieboom wrote:
    “Shouldn’t he be more worried about shaving his uni-brow?”

    muzzy27 wrote:
    “Get a life Unibrow!!”

    Showing you are paying total attention to the game?

    FYI – Joe Flacco made sure he did NOT have a unibrow before he got married in the summer of 2011. And he hasn’t allowed it to grow back.

  142. nwstreethawk wrote:
    “The [Ravens] are what the Raiders used to be.”

    How far back do you go?

    In 1973, I knew someone who was the VERY last cut for the Oakland Raiders. The reason he got cut? He tackled one of the Oakland Receivers with a clothesline tackle – a legal hit in the NFL at the time. The coach didn’t like the ‘lack of sportsmanship’, and cut my friend. And the coach clearly stated that the ONLY reason for the cut was the display of ‘non-sportsmanship’, not for any other reason.

    My friend then went to the Cincinnati Bengals camp for a tryout (the only camp that wanted to see him). Cincy almost signed him, the clothesline tackle notwithstanding.

    Looks to me like Cincy allowed and encouraged dirtier play then than the other NFL teams, especially the Oakland Raiders. Has Cincy changed that much? Although it looks like Cincy now plays cleaner football ON the field than the Stillers do.

  143. audient?

    Have you ever studied the history of ANY pro team? Almost ALL are relocated from some other city to where they are now.

    Yankees? Originally located in Baltimore.

    Bears? Originally located in Decatur.

    Lakers? Originally located in Minneapolis (why do you think they are called ‘the Lakers’?).

    The Cardinals? They’re not originally from St. Louis, but Chicago.

    Rams? Los Angeles.

    Chiefs? Dallas.

    Raiders? Are they from Oakland, or from Los Angeles?

    Clippers? They began as the Buffalo Braves before they moved to San Diego, then to LA.

    Kings? They began playing in Rochester before moving to Cincy, then to Kansas City/Omaha, then Kansas City alone prior to moving to Sacramento.

    Even the Steelers would not be in existence if they hadn’t temporarily merged with the Eagles in 1943, and the Cardinals in 1944 (for a combined, two-year record of 5 wins, 14 losses, and one tie [and zero playoff games those two years]).

    So before you accuse any team of being ‘stolen’, maybe you should include all of the above (and more, such as the Pistons? Wizards? Etc.) in your accusation.

  144. itlstl7 wrote:
    “[A]sk any steelers fan what the best rivalry in sports is. . . .”

    Best in AFC maybe (although Jets/Patriots fans, and Raiders/Broncos/Chiefs fans, etc. might disagree). Expand to the NFL, and then you’d bring in Deadskins/Big Hats (no cattle); Packers/Vikings; Rams/49ers (especially from a few years ago when the Rams were in LA); etc.

    I can also think of several other rivalries (in colleges) that rival the Ravens/Steelers competition, and in ALL sports, not just one sport – IU/Purdue; UCLA/USC; Manchester/Hanover; much of the Ivy League vs the other schools in the Ivy League; etc.

    I don’t know that much about rivalries in high school sports outside the state of Indiana, but there are a LOT of such rivalries there – based on one or more ‘incidents’, games, location, or other reason.

    But even so, I would, as a Ravens fan, agree that the Raven/Steelers rivalry is one of the best.

  145. There are two teams I usually don’t root for that I’ll root for this weekend:

    Denver over the Boston area team; and
    The 49ers over the pompous Stillers.

    When the Ravens win Sunday night, that should put them in the playoffs for the fourth year (of four) with Flacco as the QB.

    Oh, and Stiller fans? Remember that Flacco was slated to be the third string QB at the beginning of his first NFL season (the back-up to the back-up). The plan was that he might be the eventual starting Ravens QB at some time in the future, or trade bait for a future need of the Ravens. I don’t think he’s done real bad for a 3rd string QB.

  146. Tebow, I mean Flacco, should stop fixating on what he did against the Steelers and focus on the games that they should win, ala losing to Jacksonville, Tennessee and Seattle….Flacco hasn’t made a probowl, made it to the superbowl, or beaten Ben Roethlisberger when it mattered. The bottom lines is that you are average at best without Ray Rice and a solid defense, IMHO.

  147. Of course, I’m obviously biased and a “homer” in this situation, but Flacco’s 100% right.

    The 24 hr Sports Media in the U.S. has become like a soap opera channel. And each month, the national sports writers/media pundits pick a flavor-of-the-month and obsess over it like a bunch of teenage girls. “The Onion” said it best with their faux headline, “Tim Tebow becomes the first Christian to play in the NFL”. It’s laughable all this nonsense.

    Evidence of sports media beating dead horses (no pun intended Broncos fans!): Brett Favre, Mike Vick, Ocho Cinco, Terrell Owens, Penn State/Sandusky, LeBron James…

    Flacco took his team to the AFC Championship game his rookie year and didn’t get half the press. And for those of you quoting stats, Flacco’s have never been Peyton, Brees or Rodgers-like, but the guy is about to go to the playoffs for the 4th time in just as many years. The Ravens are the only team to have win at least one playoff game for the past 3 seasons. Those are #s that as a Ravens fan I’ll gladly take.

    And the chip on Joe’s shoulder? Good. Last time he had a chip on his shoulder over another QB was when he transferred from Pitt to Delaware b/c he believed he was the better QB over Palko. Looks like that worked out pretty well for him. Meanwhile, Palko apparently still plays for Pitt as he gave the Steelers the game when the Chiefs played them.

  148. Dont have a problem with Flacco’s comments, because they are true. Dont know why some of you are ripping him, he answered the question he was asked, its not like he went out of his way to say how much he hates the Tebow coverage.

  149. Flacco is Wacko and green with envy about Tebow and the media freenzy that is not Tim’s fault. Everyone has an opinion and we know what that is like lol! Flacco needs to focus on beating the Chargers this sunday; which is something Teebow and the hot defense of the Denver Bronco’s has done sucessfully in San Diego and i just happen to be a witness to the magic in field level seats rt behind the Broncos Bench. If Flacco does’nt do what Teebow did he will regret his comment, he needs to get his mind off of the freenzy, back on his game and maybe give Teebow a call apoligize with a kneel down and strike a Teebow pose, just saying!!!!!!!!T E E B O W WOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

  150. Say what you will about Flacco but…..fact is….he is the winning est QB in NFL history at this stage of his career….can Tebow say that?….will he EVER be able to say that????? N….O

  151. So funny to see all the self-appointed football scouts on this board proclaim that Tebow will never be an elite NFL QB. Probably the same folks who suggested Peyton Manning would struggle with his poor throwing mechanics. Why don’t you people wait a few years and see how he develops?

  152. There’s no getting past the scrutiny Flacco will be under in the playoffs no matter the seed. Past performance has been game manager in wins and costing the team the game in losses.

    Popping off about Tebow doesn’t help…but hey, if his jock is big enough for it this year….no biggie.

    That’s why the #1 seed is so important. 12th man takes lots of the pressure off.

  153. @osu1968

    I wouldn’t question anyone’s NFL scouting ability seeing as you just compared Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning. Regardless of future or past success, you could not pick two QBs who have less in common.

  154. beachbrawlas – if Flacco losses in Indy it will mean he has lost the Super Bowl….which is more than Teblow will do in 5 lifetimes!!!!!!!

    Say what you will about Flacco but…..fact is….he is the winning est QB in NFL history at this stage of his career….can Tebow say that?….will he EVER be able to say that????? N….O

  155. osu1968 – one doesn’t have to be football scout to assess QB talent. I think actually playing the position makes one even more apt to judge. Manning has never struggled with throwing mechanics and nobody has ever suggested as such….Tebow has terrible mechanics and he is not and never will be a true NFL QB…sorry, he will be out of the league in 2

  156. I wanted to reserve my comments until after the San Diego Game. Flacco…you whining little man, you are the only reason you deserve no media attention. You were Tebowed without even playing the guy. You really suck hard and are an embarrassment to your team. Focus on playing and just maybe you might be worthy of some media coverage.

  157. Well Flacco you were given NATIONAL COVERAGE last night and you were in the spotlight – how’d ya do? I’m hardly a Tebow lover (yesterday was the first time I’ve watched him play in a game and frankly he looked pretty bad… I don’t see what the hype is about), but if you’re going to complain about not getting the national spotlight you’d better show up when it finally shines on you. After last nights performance, you probably wish the media was ignoring you again.

  158. sudz28 – well, Flacco certainly stepped up in his performance vs. Tom Brady the last few years in the playoffs….something Teblow certainly cannot attest to!

  159. Big Mouth Flacco did not put his big money where his mouth is; because at least Tim Teebow beat San Diego and he did not . I can attest to that I was there and witnessed the magic sitting rt behinde the Broncos bench and yes i was Teebowing!!!!!! Flacco needs to remember when he was in Teebow’s Shoes just starting out in his career your hot then your not and this weekend they both were not . Let.s just see who comes out better at the end of the season and compare Tim’s first season to Flacco’!!!!!!!!s

  160. As a Ravens Fan I have always been a Flacco supporter. My only beef with him is that he doesn’t seem to care enough when we lose. I suppose it is just Tebowmania for scrounging up a quote about Tebow from Flacco on a local radio station. However, Flacco drop the Tebow talk and start looking upset about how the offense is doing when you lay an egg in San Diego, or Jacksonville, etc. As fans of the Ravens, we don’t want to see you upset about Tebow coverage and not the performance of the Ravens offense.

  161. Should have giving the ravens head coaching job to Rex Ryan
    And you would have the eyes and ears of all the league…..GO GREEN GO JETS!!!

  162. @golonger:
    No, Tebow completely stunk it up against the Pats in his first ever meeting so I think he can’t possibly do anything other than step up his performance in future meetings. When you start at the bottom, there’s nowhere to go but up right?

    And you’re absolutely right that Flacco did MUCH better against the Pats in their 2009 playoff rematch than he did the previous year… not that it helped in the end, though.

  163. Let the Chips fall where they may for wacko Flacco or Tiny Tim lol! All i know is they both have 2 games left and they both need 2 win and as a Bronco fan well before Teebow the Elway days iv’e been a fan since 1986 26 years and counting . I am and will always be a die hard Broncos fan and hope we will make it to the playoffs this year!!!!!! Let’s go Teebow and Defense.

  164. If not for the novelty of Tebow’s horrendously pathetic passing ability, and his demand to interject his imaginary god figment religion unsolicited into every football interview; the only publicity he would get is at the bottom of the 10th page in the sports section.

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