Comments on: Gabbert may be bad enough to make Jaguars draft another QB

By: wakeupnfl

wakeupnfl — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:57:50 +0000

Forget Age, Lack of Receivers, Rookie Mistakes, O-Line, Coaching Staff. Etc….

When you have FEAR in your heart of getting hit by a

defensive player in the NFL. Their is no future for

him in this league!!!

By: bleed4philly

bleed4philly — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:58:26 +0000

Make sure the new QB doesn’t mind moving to LA in a few years.

By: whatswiththehate

whatswiththehate — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:11:48 +0000

mhs8031 says:Dec 16, 2011 2:30 PM

About Dalton–a great fit for that offense and his college system was better. However, here is how I had my QBs ranked before the draft (and I am a Panther fan., keep in mind):

1. Dalton (Most NFL ready-a leader, a bit small though)
2. Newton (a project and huge gamble)
3. Ponder (ready to play when needed, but stay behind McNabb as long as possible)
4. Ryan Mallet (project who needs a strong OL, but what an arm)
4. Kaepernick (a project not to see the field in 11)
5. Gabbert (a project not to see field in 11)
6. Locker (a project who needs a QB coach to live with him)
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Judging by the behavior of some of you Panthers’ fans when it comes to Cam, one wonders exactly what you are looking for in your QB.

It’s funny to read the many excuses being made for Blaine. Here’s an FYI, MJD is the number one receiver over the Smitty you folks keep talking about who is helping Cam. How can MJD be the number one receiver and be so bad that Blaine can’t get more balls in his hands. Or, maybe the truth is, the problem is Blaine.

To think many of you on here will go on and on about any little mistake Cam makes or start the rally cry to get rid of Ponder but your ridiculous and sometimes dishonest defense of Blaine is pathetic.

Also, Cam, Jake, Dalton, and Blaine are all the same age. Ponder and Mallet, are 23 years. The way you guys sound, one would believe Blaine was 19. Since when did Blaine become so much younger than the other rookie QBs. They are all 22 years old.

During the draft Blaine was 21. I guess he must be really outsmarting you folks in Jacksonville.

By: golonger

golonger — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:55:35 +0000

“I hear that Donovan McNabb has booked a flight to Jacksonville to check out real estate.”

He might want to divert his travel plan to LA!

By: golonger

golonger — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:54:02 +0000

When are all you tools going to stop comparing rookie QB ratings to those of 15 years ago…THERE IS NO COMPARISON! It is so much easier for a QB to get a higher rating these days….given the pass happy nature, liberalization of offensive rules, etc. One of the reason you see all these rookies succeeding now…

By: golonger

golonger — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:51:04 +0000

genericcommenter – so what!!!!!!!!

By: dadsource

dadsource — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:12:15 +0000

Gabbert can complete a few balls, true….however….he was touted as a great ‘running’ and ‘scrambling’ quarterback who created more time and forced defenses to cover him. He was touted as a ‘smart’ guy, big Wunderlick score, but when I youtube’d the highlight reels from him at Missouri, he threw into coverage, threw with too much air under the ball, relied on slow DB’s in college to ‘not catch up’, and seemed to bail on plays too early. But we were condescended to, and were told to ‘trust the people that know football’….(one whom now is out of a job, the other soon will be)…..yeah, I’m the one who is blind…ha!

By: earthtopft

earthtopft — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:47:47 +0000

Looking over rookies who started (and threw enough passes to qualify in the rankings) over the last 10 years (2001-2010) the average completion ratio is 55%, 11 Tds, 13 Int, 66.5 passer rating. That includes a few of the best ever first year seasons from Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, and Bradford.

Gabbert is pretty close to the average in all departments. 51% completion, 11 Tds, 10 Int, 65.6 passer rating. With a couple of games to play. I think all of the players on the list are still in the league, except Chris Weinke who was nearly 30 years old as a rookie back in 2001.

By: genericcommenter

genericcommenter — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:35:07 +0000

Rookie QB Ratings

Gabbert 65.6

Walsh 60.5
Aikman 55.7

Elway 54.9
P. Manning 71.2
Fouts 46.0
Bradshaw 30.4

By: genericcommenter

genericcommenter — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:25:36 +0000

This story is wrong about the Cowboys drafting Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh in consecutive years. Walsh was selected in the supplemental drat, but they were both drafted in 1989.

Steve Walsh even started several games over Troy Aikman in 1989 before being traded away the next season.

By: fmwarner

fmwarner — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:24:04 +0000

Giving up on a first round QB after one season would have been unthinkable as recently as ten years ago. And what has changed? Not the players. The only thing that’s changed is the expectations, because of impatience and the cost of rookie contracts. Gabbert’s different, though. With the rookie cap, is salary isn’t high. Giving a QB a year or two to grow is still the ideal situation. You need to give him another year.

I swear, it’s like nobody remembers how bad Peyton Manning, John Elway and Troy Aikman sucked their rookie years.

By: earthtopft

earthtopft — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:59:12 +0000

Can’t judge Gabbert on that game, it was a perfect storm of disaster for the team coming in. Short week, on the road, third game in 11 days, 27 players on IR, two coaches fired and not replaced. Going against a team fighting to establish their playoff position, relatively healthy, playing in front of their fans.

The top receiver available is a career special teamer who has never caught more than about 10 balls in a season. Marcedes Lewis quit on the team as soon as he signed his contract back in training camp. Backup tight end was a defensive tackle when the Jags drafted him. Third string was interviewing for office jobs a couple weeks back. Focus of the offense is to get Jones-Drew a rushing title and All Pro nomination and nothing else. Third string offensive tackle playing on a bad knee going up against one of the best pass rushers in the game. Replaced by an undrafted rookie free agent off the practice squad.

Gabbert probably had better support as a third stringer playing in the exhibition games prior to the season.

By: bischof21

bischof21 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:13:09 +0000

It’s not going to happen. Not even sure why an article which says it could happen was written. A lot of things could happen. MDS could write a decent article someday for instance.

By: mwcarolina

mwcarolina — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:00:36 +0000

if they take Matt Barkley then expect the SAME exact results as you had from Gabbert. Barkley has more talent than Gabbert, true, but he cant throw to himself. as for RG3, if that happens, expect him to be injured due to him trying to do too much. Gabbert isnt great yet, no, but how can you expect him to be??

By: skinsrock

skinsrock — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:01:09 +0000

I watched a little bit last night… I watched the drive where Jones Drew ran for a long run to set up a potential scoring drive. Gabbert put two or three balls right on his WR’s hands & they were all dropped…. The balls were good. It’s utter fail if you take another QB, I think you get some weapons to put around him… Their WR’s are probably the worst in the league.

By: gosuhgo

gosuhgo — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:45:07 +0000

I’d have happy feet too if I got blown up basically every play. He senses pressure when it’s not there because that’s on like 5% of the plays so he just assumes he’s always about to get drilled.

By: ravensfan996

ravensfan996 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:41:08 +0000

The problem for Gabbert and a lot 9of these young QB’s have is a legitamite #1 recevier to throw to. That was B. Quins issue in Cleveland, now its C. McCoys. The reason C. Newton has played as well as he has, although the TEAM hasn’t, was because they didn’t trade S. Smith. Stafford in Det. has the luxury of C. Johnson, A. Dalton has A.j Green, probably the best rookie WR in the past 5 yrs. Who has Gabbert, McCoy, Bradford have to throw to? You see the difference it had on M. Ryan.

By: judsonjr

judsonjr — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:39:07 +0000

The kid needs time. As a Packer fan the best comparison I have is to look at Matt Flynn vs. the Bucs as a rookie in 2008 and contrast that with him in 2010 versus the Pats.

In 2008 he looked completely shell shocked, and didn’t look fit to be in the league. He was so terrible that they put Aaron Rodgers back in the game with a separated shoulder.

Move to 2010 and he looked like a competent QB, probably because he had a chance to get some experience and learn the offense.

By: laeaglefan

laeaglefan — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:38:43 +0000

I hear that Donovan McNabb has booked a flight to Jacksonville to check out real estate.

By: usmutts

usmutts — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:37:57 +0000

I saw some passes that weren’t terrifically timed between Gabbert and the receiver. Why is that only Gabbert’s fault? This can be fixed.

I saw some terrific passes that were just dropped. That’s not Gabbert’s fault.

I saw Gabbert on a number of occassions, when the rush was coming, simply bail out directly into the path of the rusher ( causing sacks and fumbles ), rather than stepping forward ( or quick hopping forward – watch Brees do this ). That’s his fault. But this is something that can be worked on and perhaps fixed.

I’m not a Jax fan, but I think this guy needs some coaching, some familiarity with good receivers, some extra work, and be made to understand that no one is giving up on him.

By: earthtopft

earthtopft — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:31:42 +0000

@trbowman – Well, it’s lucky you and all your roommates living at the same IP address agree on Gabbert. Makes for a more harmonious household. As long as there isn’t a lineup to use the computer at the same time.

By: whatwouldlombardido

whatwouldlombardido — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:29:14 +0000

Jags, please give Gabbert another two years! Texans will own what used to be the Colts’ division.

By: mizzouram

mizzouram — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:27:12 +0000

Hate to tell you I told you so but…….

IMO the ESPN hype machine affects the draft alot more than these GMs want to admit.

By: sportsmediacritic

sportsmediacritic — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:25:24 +0000

People say Manning should be MVP because the Colts are obviously lost with out.

What about Garrard lol? Its clear that he was a lot better than people thought, because at least he made the Jaguars relevant and competitive!

By: gregjennings85

gregjennings85 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:21:20 +0000

He’s garbage. Bad, bad pick.

By: marty2019

marty2019 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:13:20 +0000

Gabbert faces an avalanche almost every time he drops back, and on the rare occasion he has time to throw, no one is open. And if he manages to get the ball to the WRs, they drop it.

Let’s get some perspective here, folks, the guy is working with WRs he just met for the first time a couple of days ago. The Jaguars have put 27 players on IR.

There’s no way he could possibly succeed with what’s going on around him.

By: faultylogic29

faultylogic29 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:12:17 +0000

Gabbert plays scared. I’ve never seen an NFL quarterback so terrified of pressure, even if it’s not there.

Not sure if it’s fixable, but with such a bad offense he deserves more than a one year opportunity. Get insurance via a 2nd to 4th round pick or free agent, and see if you can teach the guy some toughness.

By: trbowman

trbowman — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:56:22 +0000

No chance.

Gabbert is terrible and will never be a good NFL quarterback, or even a marginal one, but Gene Smith traded up for him. That’s his guy.

Fact of the matter is you can’t teach a guy pocket presence. His supporting cast is a joke, but Gabbert will fail regardless of who’s around him.

He’s about the easiest gameplan in the league. D coordinators know, you put pressure on this kid, he wilts quicker than a dead flower.

No supporting cast or coaching is going to give him the toughness and mindset of an NFL QB. That’s innate.

My guess is Gabbert is terrible again next year and then the Jags cut ties.

By: riverhorsey

riverhorsey — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:56:12 +0000

Perfect example of desperate coach”s ruining a rookie QB by throwing him in when he isn’t ready.

By: mianfr

mianfr — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:52:11 +0000

He doesn’t even want to throw the ball downfield. It’s all dump-offs and checkdowns. You’re never going to accomplish anything like that.

I mean, at this point, T.J. Yates has nothing to work with but he’s not scared to take a chance and advance the ball anyway. I will say that Houston has a far superior offensive line, though.

He’s far and away the worst quarterback in the league, a Matt Leinart without the accuracy. Oddly enough, Sam Bradford isn’t far behind him.

I wouldn’t be exceptionally surprised to see either team take a look at another signal-caller early in the draft.