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Patriots’ Carter fined $15,000, Redskins’ Hall fined $7,500

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Sunday’s Redskins-Patriots game saw four players draw personal foul penalties that could have drawn fines from the league office, but only two of them will have their paychecks docked.

The NFL told PFT that Patriots defensive end Andre Carter was fined $15,000 for roughing Redskins quarterback Rex Grossman, while Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall was fined $7,500 for throwing an official’s penalty flag.

Hall just made a stupid decision by picking up the flag and chucking it after he didn’t like a defensive holding call that went against him, and it’s no surprise that he was fined. Carter’s case is a closer call: It’s true that he hit Grossman in the knee, but Grossman still had the ball and appeared to be running at the time Carter went to make a tackle, and it only became roughing the passer because Grossman threw the ball in the split second that Carter was in the air diving for Grossman.

It’s so difficult, because you’re trying to play physical and fast,” Carter told Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com. “I can’t control the fact this player moved a certain way. That’s the frustrating part of it. . . . Rules keep on getting more tighter and tighter, to the point where it’s like ‘How can we play football? How can this game still be physical?’ It’s just getting so difficult. . . . I’ve always been a clean player. The last thing I want to do is take out somebody’s knee. I’m just playing football.”

Redskins linebacker London Fletcher and Patriots defensive tackle Vince Wilfork both drew unnecessary roughness penalties, but neither was fined.

Fletcher’s flag came for hitting Tom Brady while he was sliding, a penalty that referee Jeff Triplette preposterously described as “a forearm to the quarterback’s head” even though Fletcher’s forearm never came close to Brady’s head. Fletcher wasn’t fined for that, and he also wasn’t fined for anything after that — even though he was so furious about the bad call that he appeared to make contact with an official while arguing about it. Fletcher easily could have found himself in the same company as Lions tight end Brandon Pettigrew, who was fined $25,000 last week for contact with an official, but Fletcher did not get fined.

Wilfork’s flag came for hitting Redskins running back Evan Royster while Royster was already on the ground. Wilfork argued that he hadn’t done anything wrong because Royster hadn’t been touched and could have gotten up and started running if Wilfork hadn’t jumped on him, and the NFL apparently agreed, because Wilfork wasn’t fined.

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33 Responses to “Patriots’ Carter fined $15,000, Redskins’ Hall fined $7,500”
  1. weepingjebus says: Dec 16, 2011 3:56 PM

    I attended the game and the refereeing was terrible in both directions. That roughing call on Carter in particular was BS. I’m sure it was a complete coincidence it negated an INT and kept the game competitive.

  2. bigjdve says: Dec 16, 2011 3:59 PM

    I am a Redskins fan, I wish they had fined Hall 500k for that stupid act. I mean really throwing the flag getting the 2nd penalty.

    I am cool with Wilfork not getting a fine, I viewed it as he needed the flag because leading with the head while someone is actually on the ground before you start your tackle is bush league. However I honestly think he wasn’t being malicious, just not thinking, so not worthy of the fine.

    The fine on Carter was ridiculous, I know there is the Brady rule but really? He barely touched him, I know the flag because of the rule but a steep fine on a love tap.

    A little more consistency please.

  3. Davo says: Dec 16, 2011 4:05 PM

    That’s not a picture of the penalty Carter was fined for, is it? Because that doesn’t look anywhere NEAR the knee.

  4. kh221 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:08 PM

    Hall is an idiot, but I would hate to play DB in the NFL. So many questionable PI & DH calls made every week… unbelievably annoying.

  5. lanman11 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    Carter is a well respected and whistle clean football player. He went for the tackle around the waist. Grossman then jumped backwards causing Carter to slide down his leg a bit, but had no impact in the actual hit. Grossmans leg was not impacted. This fine is the NFL bowing to pressure they thought would come from those who would feel the Patriots are favored for some reason, over say, the Steelers and James Harrison, or the Lions and Ndomakong Sue, perhaps because it is called The Brady Rule. The Pats created that environment for themselves by being so good for so long. Serves them right! B@st@rds! LOL!

  6. gtrav says: Dec 16, 2011 4:13 PM

    I’m a Pats fan and I agree that the officiating was horrible toward both teams. That’s what happens when you get the worst referee in the game today – Jeff Tripplette. By far the worst. I loathe the games that he officiates and when Phil Simms is commentating at the same time. Soul-suckingly unbearable.

  7. steelersmichele says: Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM

    carter’s case is closer? are you kidding me? Who cares is Grossman was running with the ball and threw it at the last second. you are not allowed to hit the QB. Carter should have adjusted at the very last second. And his excuse that he was trying to play physical and fast-please. There are no excuses for doing what he did. he needs to learn to adjust his playing style and play by the new rules.

    and yes I am being sarcastic. substitute harrisons name for carter and its the same situation. a few more hits like that and carter is facing a suspension.

  8. dynast77 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:16 PM

    The NFL has gone from being a full-contact sport to being a partial-contact court case. Just keep on debating the legalities of certain plays, citing precedent, and reporting on all of the passed judgments. Truly interesting stuff there guys.

  9. homelanddefense says: Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM

    It wasnt near the knee, the rule is below the knee. That is what he got called for. The problem is he was held on the play, and then pushed forward into the QB (you can see the o lineman completing the pushing motion in the picture).

    And the league always says its not a penalty if the player gets blocked into the knee. Which is why that call really was BS.

    That and because it negated the one play Devin McCourty has made all season.

  10. firesnyder says: Dec 16, 2011 4:32 PM

    Fletcher’s penalty was seriously was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. The ref knew he screwed up too, but just didn’t want to look wishy-washy, so he stuck with it. That penalty kept the Patriots drive alive and basically led to the game-winning TD. Something needs to be done about these calls… it’s coming to a head. I predict that sooner or later, a high profile Linebacker is just going walk of the field and go directly to the locker room in disgust. I would have been okay with Fletcher doing that because everyone knows he’s a class-act.

    This is similar to the no-fire rules that frustrate Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your sent out there to do a job, and then they put rules in place preventing you from doing your job. Wha?

  11. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 4:34 PM

    homelanddefense says:
    Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM
    It wasnt near the knee, the rule is below the knee. That is what he got called for. The problem is he was held on the play, and then pushed forward into the QB (you can see the o lineman completing the pushing motion in the picture).

    __
    Kind of like what happened to Bernard Pollard? Funny how you Pats fan losers are still crying about that one.

  12. melikefootball says: Dec 16, 2011 4:36 PM

    Good for Carter to speak up. Between all the flags,fines, and reviews the game is slowly going into the pooper.

  13. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 4:36 PM

    weepingjebus says:
    Dec 16, 2011 3:56 PM
    I attended the game and the refereeing was terrible in both directions. That roughing call on Carter in particular was BS. I’m sure it was a complete coincidence it negated an INT and kept the game competitive.

    __
    Cry us a river, whiny Pats loser.

  14. tobiasjodter says: Dec 16, 2011 4:40 PM

    The Fletcher and Wilfork penalties were both flat out ridiculous.

    The ref threw the flag on Fletcher solely as a knee-jerk reaction because a QB got hit. Nothing else. Never mind that Grossman went into his slide AFTER he saw he was going to hit.

    Wilfork there is no explanation for that flag. As near as I could tell the ref decided that he hit him too hard and didn’t like it. That’s unprecedented. Welcome to Goodell’s NFL.

  15. gtrav says: Dec 16, 2011 4:47 PM

    @tobiasjodter

    I agree with you that Goodell is ruining the NFL, but to be fair I think we saw those two ridiculous calls because of Jeff Tripplette’s team, not because of Goodell’s influence. Tripplette’s team is the most flag-happy in the NFL, and to make matters worse, they constantly gather for conferences that go on forever to finally get the call “right” after a flag is thrown.

  16. gtrav says: Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM

    @bozosforall AKA “the troll”

    Bernard Pollard fell down, got up, and then lunged at Brady’s knee. A little bit different than Carter’s hit last weekend. It’s OK though, bc haters gonna hate.

  17. weegiethompson says: Dec 16, 2011 4:53 PM

    Yea, all you Harrison hater’s. Everyone who plays hates Goodells crap and I can’t wait till he is gone. Carter is right. So get a clue about how the game is played and how certain hits are going to happen during the course of the game before you start explaining how to tackle. As I keep saying, 90 percent of you have never even palyed the game, much less made a tackle. Its football, get used to it.

  18. mjdkid100 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:53 PM

    @firesnyder

    Your wrong. On the Brady hit, they got field goal.

    On the wilfork hit on 3rd down Skins ended up scoring a TD.

    On the Carter roughing that negated an Int and you got points.

    Add that to the blatant jersey pulling in the end zone on the Brady Int and the refs almost cost them the game.

    Pats were on the short end in this game. It was awful all game.

  19. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 5:24 PM

    gtrav says:
    Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM
    @bozosforall AKA “the troll”

    Bernard Pollard fell down, got up, and then lunged at Brady’s knee. A little bit different than Carter’s hit last weekend. It’s OK though, bc haters gonna hate.

    ___
    @gtrav AKA “the crybaby”

    Bernard Pollard was neither flagged nor fined for his hit on Brady.

    It’s OK though, bc whiners gonna whine. And in the case of the Pats fans, they gonna whine for eternity like the little crybabies that they are.

  20. raynman49 says: Dec 16, 2011 5:31 PM

    Hall should have been fined by his team for getting paid to stand on the football field like he’s waiting for a bus. ( while Gronkowski goes by).

  21. gronktimusprime says: Dec 16, 2011 5:40 PM

    That game was officiated horribly for both sides, but I have to say not sure why everyone is saying the Fletcher flag was the worst call, last time I checked if a QB slides then they are not supposed to be hit, if they dive then its free game, so how is it a bad call when a QB slides and is giving himself up and a 300lbs DE jumps on him forearm or not that is a penalty. Wilforks penalty was suspect becuase he went leading w/ his helmet on a guy that was on the ground, but in game speed how many times have guys been knocked down and got up and ran, so he was just reacting, although he should have had more control. Too many trolls on this site hate on the Pats, bunch of vag’s!

  22. worldwidebleater says: Dec 16, 2011 5:40 PM

    Full Disclosure: Skin Fan

    The only fine that should have been levied was the one on Meangelo Hall for poor sportsmanship. The rest were guys trying to make plays, and none were egregious examples of excessive roughness. Its getting ridiculous.

  23. rando74 says: Dec 16, 2011 5:42 PM

    Why didnt they fine hall for not buying a ticket and sneaking onto the feild to watch Gronkoswki score a touchdown?

  24. gronktimusprime says: Dec 16, 2011 5:51 PM

    bozo is clearly a Colts fan and most likely lives with his parents!

  25. whitenikka says: Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM

    the picture above was not the play they threw the flag on dummies.

  26. descendency says: Dec 16, 2011 5:55 PM

    I can’t believe that was 15k. Grossman is practically falling backwards when he was hit and Andre Carter was being pushed away.

    He barely clipped his leg and it’s 15k.

    It just seems like the NFL has no idea what actually causes injuries and what doesn’t. They just seem to be arbitrarily throwing around fines to see if they can accidentally cause the league to be safer.

  27. tobiasjodter says: Dec 16, 2011 5:56 PM

    gtrav says: Dec 16, 2011 4:47 PM

    I agree with you that Goodell is ruining the NFL, but to be fair I think we saw those two ridiculous calls because of Jeff Tripplette’s team, not because of Goodell’s influence.

    ——————-

    Wilfork call maybe… but no, the penalty on Fletcher was Goodell influence imo. Hit a QB hard = flag.

    It’s just the inconsistency in calls that drives me crazy. Take for instance last night’s game:

    2nd and 4 (6:18): Owusu-Ansah (41) delivers a forearm shiver to the back of the neck/head of White (84) while he was coming to the ground after making a catch. A clear-cut case of a blow to the head on classic “defenseless receiver”. No flag. Oh, and the game announcers make no comment about it despite watching several replays at different angles. If that had been Ryan Clark of the Steelers the field would have been littered with yellow and the announcers would have been emoting outrage.

  28. whitenikka says: Dec 16, 2011 6:00 PM

    THE photo IS NOT THE PENALTY. the penalty was thrown on carter because he dove and grabbed grossman below the knee. wilfork was flagged cuz he led with the head. the only call that was really crappy was fletcher tackling brady when brady slid. fletchers arm didnt hit brady in the head like the ref announced.

    the patriots got more call than the skins. i am impartial. i watched the game cuz kc / jet game was a blowout and they switched over…only game on tv.

  29. blspears says: Dec 16, 2011 6:08 PM

    Fletcher hit was BS not a foul at all, Wilfork BS not a foul, Carter hit not a foul. Goodel has ruined the NFL.

  30. blackqbwhiterb says: Dec 16, 2011 6:27 PM

    I thought the Fletcher call was total bs, and on the next play the Redskin db had a clear shot to nail Brady and let him go because of it. What’s more, like it or not, some guys have ref’s looking at every touch (Brady) and other guys they are waiting to flag (James Harrison), any more it’s a fact in the NFL, some guys are untouchable and some aren’t allowed to hit.

  31. grogansheroes says: Dec 16, 2011 6:48 PM

    Has anyone on this site ever had a more apt name than “bozo”sforall?

  32. richm2256 says: Dec 16, 2011 7:27 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Kind of like what happened to Bernard Pollard? Funny how you Pats fan losers are still crying about that one.

    ———————————————————
    Once again, you prove to be clueless about what you’re talking about. Watch that video again, and then tell me Pollard didn’t dive right at Brady’s knee.

    Keep trying though; one of these days you’re bound to get SOMETHING right.

  33. briscocountyjr says: Dec 16, 2011 8:34 PM

    This is actually a really big story for pats fans. The fact that there are actually 2 defensive patriot players even close to making a play is incredible!

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