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Vikings defenders regularly ignored play calls

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Early this season, members of the Vikings secondary weren’t too confident in the approach that defensive coordinator Fred Pagac took with his coverage calls.

So they ignored him.

Tom Pelissero of espn1500.com writes that a group of players simply refused to play the defenses called, yelling out their own coverages as they broke the huddle. The players didn’t like the frequency and timing of some man coverage and blitz concept calls.

Minnesota’s struggles in the second halves of games were blamed on coaches failing to adjust. Leslie Frazier eventually took over some playcalling duties in November, but the damage was done.

Changes are coming to the Vikings defense in the offseason. We’re starting to get a clearer picture of what those changes might entail. Pelissero writes there have been discussions about transitioning to a 3-4 defense with Mike Singletary getting promoted to defensive coordinator. The catch:

“There also are strong concerns within the building about Singletary’s aptitude for the position,” Pelissero writes.

It’s also unclear whether Leslie Frazier, who comes from a a Tampa-2 background, would be open to the change.

It’s more clear that getting rid of Brad Childress didn’t eliminate dysfunction in Minnesota.

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  1. ironhawk says: Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM

    It’s hard to have a team this dysfunctional and defend keeping the Head Coach. I don’t really mind Frazier but these kind of things are inexcusable.

  2. broncobillie says: Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM

    If the coaches let players get away with defiance like that, that would be on the coaches. Imagine that happening to a Rex Ryan defense…

  3. deviantfate says: Dec 16, 2011 2:11 PM

    LOL and Frazier is supposed to be a defensive minded coach, and MIN has already said they are keeping him around for next year!

  4. jc1958cool says: Dec 16, 2011 2:12 PM

    i thought they were just bad!! never knew it was all the COACHES fault duh

  5. lovemyqueens says: Dec 16, 2011 2:15 PM

    As a Vikings fan…it hurts reading all the stories about them.

    Everyone knows what’s wrong with the team, (O line, secondary, inside linebackers, receivers) but the team has yet to do anything about it.

    Bringing in an aging Jenkins from the Falcons and and an inept Benny Sapp from the Dolphins were clearly not smart moves. Any fan sees that.

    I support the team 110%, it’s that front office, and the coaches I’m rightfully skeptical about…

  6. 11wheatd says: Dec 16, 2011 2:15 PM

    a 3-4?? Haha are you kidding me?? as a Vikings fan, that’s a terrible idea. They are made for a 4-3. I’m so frustrated I don’t even know what to say. Dumb idea.

  7. ilovefoolsball says: Dec 16, 2011 2:16 PM

    The Vikings are a mess
    The Cowboys are a mess
    The Bears are a mess

    These are the golden days of football.

  8. ilovefoolsball says: Dec 16, 2011 2:17 PM

    Oh I forgot the Eagles are a mess too!

  9. lmoneyfresh says: Dec 16, 2011 2:17 PM

    Not sure they have the type of players for a 3-4. Allen and Williams are so effective in the 4-3, that it seems odd to change that. But then again, that defense is on it’s last leg right now and needs a serious overhaul. More so the secondary, but we’ll see.

  10. mataug says: Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    FYI
    Mike Tomlin’s now working with Dick LeBeau.
    What system was Tomlin used to in Tampa Bay and Minnesota ?
    What system has LeBeau been using in Pittsburgh ?

  11. KIR says: Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    Wow, the former defensive player of the year. Middle Linebacker and on field player caller for the 46 defense (one of the best in the history of the NFL) and Hall of Famer doesn’t even get the benefit of the doubt of being capable of being the defensive coordinator. Not surprised.

  12. golonger says: Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    I thought they were just ignoring how to play?

  13. irishnativeson says: Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Was anyone under the impression they were executing flawlessly? And after this goes on “There also are strong concerns within the building about Singletary’s aptitude for the position”? This organization is a hot mess.

  14. KIR says: Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Play caller

  15. axespray says: Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Jared Allen and the rest of the Front Seven,
    “thanks guys….(smh.”

  16. Soulman45 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Frist to say
    The Viking don’t need new coaches they need new players.

  17. blaz0037 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Yes NY, you booed Eli and the Giants 3 plays, I repeat….3 plays into a MNF game several weeks back. 1 three and out????

    By far the most pathetic fan base in all of sports.

  18. ooginator says: Dec 16, 2011 2:20 PM

    Tim. Tebow.

  19. irishnativeson says: Dec 16, 2011 2:20 PM

    Howard Cosell keep echoing in my head.

  20. mvp43 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    Apparently, the offense has taken the same advice.

  21. itstariq says: Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    Yikes.

  22. ryan7977 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    wow….first the favre thing, then the stadium collapses, now the defense doesn’t listen! next thing you know, there will be talk of the team moving to los angel…….oh….

  23. ranksarot says: Dec 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    And obviously the players knew what the right calls were, as evidenced by all the winning the Vikings have done. Blind leading the blind….

  24. mattolikesthevikes says: Dec 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    Wonder if there is a chance for Jared Allen to be an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He would be extremely lethal because he can drop back into coverage and a fantastic pass rusher. He has the speed to keep up with a linebacker so why not. I would absolutely love it.

  25. outlawshark says: Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM

    Translation: “Vikings defenders regularly ignored defending.”

  26. test2402 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:27 PM

    I just read a story saying the reason Suh stomped on that guy was because the packers kept untying his shoes just to screw with him. It worked and he snapped. If that story is true, it is awesome.

  27. canadianvikingfaniii says: Dec 16, 2011 2:27 PM

    It would be about time we changed from that terrible Tampa 2. There is nothing more frustrating to watch than the safeties constantly being split down the middle and these dink and dunk passes which are never stopped. Hell, we didn’t even have the players to defend the long pass. The sad thing is, there is not one defensive back who should be left on the roster for the next year. Maybe just Winfield, the guy can still flat out ball, especially now since he was switched to the slot.

  28. fittytuckin says: Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM

    I don’t blame them because the secondary is loaded with all pro talent.

  29. nfloracle says: Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM

    The Panthers are also a mess.

  30. govtminion says: Dec 16, 2011 2:33 PM

    Very surprised at the dig at Singletary. Things didn’t work out in San Francisco, obviously, but the guy knows how to run a defense. If the Vikes were talking about making him head coach I’d be a little concerned, but as defensive coordinator? I’d think they’d be pretty pleased… unless they’re worried that he’ll actually make them WORK.

    …or unless they’re worried that he’ll drop his pants. That too.

  31. canadianvikingfaniii says: Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM

    axespray says:Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Jared Allen and the rest of the Front Seven,
    “thanks guys….(smh.”
    —————-
    More like the front 4, and Erin Henderson. The Linebacker play has been terrible. To think they just gave Chad Greenway that huge contract, I have not seen him make a play on a ball at all this year…

  32. pigskinswag says: Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM

    Wait…their secondary actually called plays?

  33. minkytails says: Dec 16, 2011 2:35 PM

    The NFC North will be a 3-team division for the next 5 years, or a lot longer if the Vikes move to LA and the Chiefs join.

  34. steelerchicken says: Dec 16, 2011 2:35 PM

    This is hilarious! I wish NFL films had a player with a microphone on

  35. stevenfbrackett says: Dec 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    I would put out of a list of “We will entertain trade offers for these players…” with the names of all the defensive guys who pulled this stunt on it.

    Of course, too, if I was looking to acquire a couple of guys for my defense, I would be wary of trading with the Vikings and getting one of those guys.

  36. flowadelph says: Dec 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    I could tell they were ignoring the play calls

  37. weepingjebus says: Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM

    “Vikings defenders” is an oxymoron.

  38. dukemarc says: Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM

    If they go to the 3-4 next year, then Jared Allen better be on the trading block.

  39. das14 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    Great. What else is new. At least we have a great stadiu… We have a nice place for 45000 people to go roller skating.

  40. warvette says: Dec 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    they still regularly ignore the other team’s offense..

  41. shaggytoodle says: Dec 16, 2011 2:39 PM

    The Vikings DBs are bummed, that Brett Favre is no longer calling the defensive plays.

  42. pigskinswag says: Dec 16, 2011 2:42 PM

    The Vikings have a secondary? That’s news to me…

  43. teal379 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM

    I’d fire any defensive coach that allowed that to happen more than once.

    First time – you didn’t know. Understand that but if it happened in more than one game, more than one series – you either stand up and BE THE BOSS or you go home and look for another line of work.

    I can also see the questions around Singletary. He played in a great defense but he did not CREATE that defense.

    Would you want Brett Favre as an OC? Probably not. Sort of the same deal – great player when others are telling them what D to play – different when they’re the one who has to make that decision.

  44. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    weepingjebus says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM
    “Vikings defenders” is an oxymoron.

    __
    Yet they are still ranked #18. Ahead of the Pats. And the Packers. And the Bears. Just one below the Lions.

    The defense isn’t the problem. It’s the offense. LOL

  45. cjw1197 says: Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM

    All in all, I can’t completely blame Les for this mess, although he does share some of the blame. I think he is learning on the job, had a shortened offseason and kept some left overs from the Childress era, which need to be jettisoned (Pagac). Give him one more year for marked improvement… with a high draft pick, ‘normal’ offseason/ free agency, CP#7 a year wiser and see where it goes. If we’re still 2-11 next year, then it’s time to question him and look elsewhere.

  46. Land Snark says: Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM

    This explains all the 4th quarter collapses.

    They can pin the problems on anything they want but obviously Frazier doesn’t have sway with his players to have them toe the line.

    I’d give him one more season of losing before he’s out the door.

  47. deconjonesbitchslap says: Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM

    so from cover 2 they went to cover zero…

  48. brettfavresmidget says: Dec 16, 2011 2:55 PM

    The defense needs something to help them escape. Maybe a nice boat trip with hookers and blow.

  49. purpwalk says: Dec 16, 2011 3:03 PM

    mutiny on the bountiless

  50. hendawg21 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM

    Guess Snyer and the Skins don’t look so bad after all with the goings on in:

    Minnesota
    Chicago
    Tampa
    St. Louis
    Jacksonville
    Indianapolis
    KC
    San Diego
    Philly

    I mean lets face the facts the Skins were picked to be last and possibly 4-12 but the expectations of these others was much higher…oh guess I could’ve included the Cowboys as well…

  51. otis52gsh says: Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM

    Well that explains it all. No wonder they are struggling so bad.

  52. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 16, 2011 3:10 PM

    They all could use a Love Boat party this year.

  53. Nevis says: Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM

    Hiring Singletary as DC would be the Juan Castillo story of 2012.

    Granted, it’s not as MUCH of a leap as Castillo was, but the results would amount to the same.

  54. jgreeds says: Dec 16, 2011 3:14 PM

    I have so many different thoughts about this article (terrible head coach, terrible d-coordinator, terrible players, players ignoring their coach, players not realizing that calling their own plays aren’t working either, making Singeltary the coordinator, switch to a 3-4), my head is going to explode. Where’s Denny Green when we need him?

    Hottest mess in the league

  55. realfootballfan says: Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM

    That’s smart, couple an awful DC with an awful OC, both who shouldn’t be elevated to those positions. I guess the Vikings are trying to be the next 0-16 team, huh?

  56. citizenstrange says: Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM

    Things started to go south as early as training camp when the defense taped Pagac to the goal post.

  57. illinininer says: Dec 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    Singletary has never been a DC, and balked at the idea of being one in the past. He did nothing concerning Xs and Os while with the 49ers. All he did as a head coach was state how he wanted the team’s identity to be and told his asst. coaches to get it done. He has done an okay job as a linebackers coach, I guess, but he has been fortunate to have a couple future hall of fame linebackers fall in his lap. And before you give him too much credit for Patrick Willis’ development, you should know that when the 49ers were preparing to draft Willis, they showed Singletary film on him and he “didn’t see anything special.”

    I will say this: If he does become the next DC for the Vikings, it will show that he realizes his short-comings as a head coach and is trying to learn and advance as a coach. I have nothing but the utmost respect for that.

  58. stellarperformance says: Dec 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    I still remember when Childress proclaimed it was not necessary to visit Green Bay during his interviewing road trip, prior to Green Bay deciding on McCarthy, and stating aloud that he wanted the Minnesota job and no other. Thank the Lord above for that.

  59. sikoix says: Dec 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    The thing that scares me about Singletary is how bad the 49ers were while he was there and how great that almost identical 49ers team looks now with Harbaugh.

    As a Viking fan, I’ve been treated to plenty of terrible secondary play throughout the years. This year was one of the most painful — they even made Tebow look like a polished pocket passer. The fact none of them feared any kind of blowback from ignoring called plays seems odd to me. Did they start doing this week 1 versus the Chargers, or did they start doing this after following called plays for the first 4 weeks of the season (the latter I could almost understand, but it still doesn’t exactly cheer me up)

  60. adantsa says: Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    Yet they are still ranked #18. Ahead of the Pats. And the Packers. And the Bears. Just one below the Lions.

    The defense isn’t the problem. It’s the offense. LOL
    _______________
    You must not be watching the games…

    We’ve blown huge leads, we’ve fallen behind by 3-4 scores on a regular basis before the offense makes a push…the only reason we are middle of the pack statstically is because teams don’t run on the Vikes (no need to) and Jared Allen (or as Brian Billick calls him, Gerald).

    The secondary is horrendous and has been for some time. The linebackers are mediocre and Kevin Williams (one of my favorite Vikings of all time) is starting to look old.

    It’s time to revamp. I don’t think we have the personnel for a 3-4 but something must be done.

  61. trollhammer20 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    If this keeps up, and funding passes, the new stadium should have the same general shape and appearance of a toilet bowl. It would be sooo appropriate.

  62. fwippel says: Dec 16, 2011 3:24 PM

    No wonder the secondary has been so atrocious this year. Those guys never looked like they knew what they were doing, and now we know why. The talent level in the secondary is average at Cornerback and bush-league level at safety. The entire secondary needs an overhaul.

    This is an embarrassing revelation for Frazier and the entire coaching staff. And the idea of a 3-4 defense? First of all, that requires a legitimate two-gap nose tackle, which the Vikings do not have on their roster right now, and they’re at least two LBs short. You cannot play that defense effectively if you don’t have the horses.

    Secondly, how many more double teams will Jared Allen see in that formation? I want Frazier to get another year, but he needs to put in a call to his pal Tony Dungy for some advice and keeping his coaches and players in line. Any Viking DB who deliberately ignored the called defense should have been cut the next day. It’s not like those guys have any talent any way.

    I’m also becoming more convinced that changes in the front office are necessary.

  63. FANof28 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:27 PM

    canadianvikingfaniii says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM
    axespray says:Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Jared Allen and the rest of the Front Seven,
    “thanks guys….(smh.”
    —————-
    To think they just gave Chad Greenway that huge contract, I have not seen him make a play on a ball at all this year…

    ——————————–

    Chad Greenway is fifth in the entire league with 118 tackles. So……You’re dumb

  64. burntorangehorn says: Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM

    Bench or even cut a player who deliberately ignores a called play. If he effs up an assignment or just forgets, that’s one thing, but this kind of thing completely undermines the team concept and coaching staff, and there’s zero reason to tolerate it.

  65. FANof28 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:38 PM

    This story has some good and bad ideas as made clear by the posts after. As a Vikings fan I just really want to see an emotional coach pop up somewhere in our staff. Listening to childress mumble and bumble for a few years was terrible and leslie doesnt seem like he really gets fired up. I really don’t like Rex Ryan very much. He talks to much and all his talk is based on what-ifs, but the guy has a fiery passion and y9ou know when he’s excited and you know when he’s upset. That is what i want to see as a fan. I cant stand watching the Vikings give up big play after big play and then you see Frazier on the sideline with a quiet emotion about him. Bring in a guy like gruden to coach, he can certainly get fired up. Or bring in Todd Haley for the offense. He’s got no problem getting in a players face. But for god sake do something….

  66. smeabin1221 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:55 PM

    All of the people talking about the Vikings moving to LA are crazy. Zigi would not move the team. If Zigi was thinking of letting the team move he would sell it first. So we would have to go through all the crazy stuff of finding an owner that all the NFL teams agree on and then find out if they really have that kind of money. Then they would have to go to the NFL and ask to move. By that time Minnesota would have a deal done to build a stadium and then the NFL owners would not agree to a move. They are working on getting a stadium done it just takes some time. They will get it done, we will have a new stadium in a couple years and the Vikes will stay in MN. That is what I think at least. When the Twins got close to leaving MN we all of sudden got a deal done, its just typical MN to wait until the last seconds.

  67. arrfarssle says: Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM

    The problem with the Vikings is their coach has a girls’ name. It’s simple. Look at the history and no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a girl’s name. coaches that win are named, Mike, Sean, Bill, Tom Tony, John, Dick, Brian, Jimmy, Vince, Weeb, Hank, and Chuck. Not Leslie. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

  68. wtfru2 says: Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM

    Okay, So who’s the “reliable source” that gave Tom this story?

    Maybe a Packer fan?

  69. cags777 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM

    I read the story last night. To tell you the truth, it made me pretty angry as a Vikings fan. I have only seen two Vikings players on the defense do their jobs (Jared Allen and Chad Greenway). The missed coverages and lack of effort from others in the backfield show Coach Frazier needs to bench these guys, give them one more chance, or cut them at the end of the season.

    I do agree that Fred Pagic has got to go and that Mike Singletary could be a viable option to take over as defensive coordinator. However, he has to keep the defense at a 4-3. Otherwise you’re screwing up Allen and others who have actually thrived under the 4-3 system.

    I am also one of the few Vikings fans willing to stick with Frazier for at least one more season. He had a huge mess to clean up last year. He’ll need one full offseason to clean house and actually draft competent players that could at least keep the Vikings competitive in the NFC North (please note, I am not expecting them to win the division or even keep the playoffs).

    Frazier made some great moves at the beginning of the season – things that were long overdue. But he needs to show me, as a fan, he wants this organization to succeed.

  70. gb4mn0 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:12 PM

    This isn’t surprising to me. It’s just another example of what a bottom feeding 3rd rate expansion team this organization has always been.

  71. nflcraziness says: Dec 16, 2011 4:13 PM

    Jared Allen could esily transition to an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. Heck, he’s our best cover guy anyway!

  72. fcmlefty1 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM

    I actually had this 3-4 debate with Tom Pelissero over twitter a few weeks back. He’s of the belief that Jared Allen would magically be able to play OLB in a 3-4. I’m of the opposite opinion. Name me one 4-3 DE that ever changed to a 3-4 OLB late in his career and became a better player. No need to keep looking – you won’t find one.

    If you want to overhaul the defense, fine, I have no problem with that. But dominant 4-3 DE’s are the 2nd toughest thing to find in football after elite QB’s. We already have one, arguably the best one in the NFC and one of the top 5 in the NFL. You build around that, not destroy it by making him play OLB. You rebuild the 4-3 around Allen, or you trade him. Its that simple.

  73. fcmlefty1 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:26 PM

    “Chad Greenway is fifth in the entire league with 118 tackles. So……You’re dumb”

    If you are defending Greenway by citing his tackle numbers, you are simply clueless.

    Do you watch the games? Greenway is completely pedestrian. Reason his tackle numbers are high? The defense is designed to channel every play to him. Yes, he does tackle the ball carrier – 5 to 8 yards down the field. He can’t play pass coverage worth two squirts of monkey piss. He hasn’t made an impact, game changing play since 2007 in the Meadowlands. This year, he has 1 whole whoppin’ sack, no INT’s and only 1 (!) pass defended while opposing TE’s put up monster game after monster game against him. He’s forced 7 fumbles in 5 seasons. The dud has had one good season – back in 2008. His other 4 years have been played at a level of a guy who has no business sticking on an NFL roster. And the Vikings franchised him. Pathetic.

  74. jimmysee says: Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM

    The Vikings are so pathetic … it’s not even amusing to pick on them anymore.

    This will not turn around for like four years … and then only if everything goes perfectly well going forward.

    There’s probably only five players this team should hold on to.

    The Vikings do represent an excellent opportunity for any undrafted free agent after the 2012 NFL draft.

    The team has no history of drafting quality players. Don’t argue with me about AP and Harvin — even a broke clock is right twice a day.

  75. twobelowzero says: Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM

    “Vikings defenders” is an oxymoron.

    Funniest thing ive heard all day.

    the vikings have not changed their game play since the gary anderson field goal kick.. i mean anyone who trys to defend their game play doesnt know much about the sport of football. its like saying tim tebow is a good qb.. ur never gonna win a just cause. when i can turn on 5 mins of the game and call 75% of their plays its pretty sad. the vikings d line has been the most valuable part of the orginaztion. so when you are trying beat the vikings what do you do? you throw the ball behind the d line… thats what all teams do and thats why they are 2-11. even with the queens getting a 2nd pick they will still waste it. i just say move to la so i dont have to see them play every sunday..

  76. maurice1108 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM

    Its all good cause once Raheim Morris gets fired as head coach of the Bucs the Vikings can fire Pagac and hire Morris as the DC. Switching to a 3-4 is not the solution its a mix of coaches and players not being on the same page. Get a coach who can actually coach what the head coach wants and get a few players that can actually play then u got urself a team to compete with the rest of the NFL.

  77. moondog7 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:42 PM

    Its time to clean house. GM, Coaches, players. Get as many draft picks as possible and build the future around your stars. If you have to trade an AP or Jared allen now is the time. When they are in their prime. We haven’t had a secondary in the last 20 years. This team has hit its peak two years ago with 12 men in the huddle. The time is now to rebuild. We cant have a GM making terrible draft selections anymore. We can’t have a coaching staff linked to the former one that was a disaster. Just clean house and set new standards. We are turning into the cubs of the NFL.

  78. maurice1108 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM

    This team is not far off. Get a #1 Receiver which there should be plenty in Free Agency (Vincent jackson or Desean Jackson) and get a decent corner like cortlain finnagan out of tennesee or Brent Grimes out of Atlanta. Draft Kali at LT with the first pick move chris johnson to OG. And get a few good safteys in the draft and pickup a real NT in free agency. They do all that and The Vikings will be a 9+ win team next season.

  79. granadafan says: Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM

    “KIR says:
    Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM
    Wow, the former defensive player of the year. Middle Linebacker and on field player caller for the 46 defense (one of the best in the history of the NFL) and Hall of Famer doesn’t even get the benefit of the doubt of being capable of being the defensive coordinator. Not surprised.”

    ========================================================

    Look at history. Great players rarely make great coaches given their ego (not a negative), unrealistic expectations, and impatience in players who were not as great as they were.

  80. veence69 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:55 PM

    So they blew off the Defensive Coordinator’s calls, called their own coverages out of the huddle and then proceeded to get torched?

    Good job, guys.

  81. teal379 says: Dec 16, 2011 4:57 PM

    Going to a 3-4 is not a bad thing. Mike McCarthy – a guy who apparently knows a thing or 2 about offenses – said that a 3-4 makes you do certain things on offense – it’s harder to game plan against and that’s why he brought in Dom and made the switch. (Plus the D flat sucked)

    Remember GB was a 4-3 before Capers was here and it’s why the let Kampen go – he couldn’t play the 3-4

    Yeah JA is a great DE but long term/over all – MN might be better in the 3-4 and JA would garner them some picks to get LB talent for the switch.

  82. FANof28 says: Dec 16, 2011 5:06 PM

    fcmlefty1

    I think it’s incredible that you can say Greenway has no business sticking on a NFL roster. The guy has averaged over a hundred tackles for all five years since he’s been a full time starter. And i’m sorry but you don’t design a defense to “channel” plays towards one linebacker who has no business playing in the league, that just doesnt make sense. If you wanna discredit his play by bringing up FF’s and INT’s then I think you’re clueless. The Vikings secondary hasn’t been respectable in a long time. Pretty much all of the passing plays against them are past the second level of defense which means he’s never going to get alot of INT’s. He’s got 118 tackles this year because he’s beaten guys the the ball carrier 118 times this year. Maybe try goin after the other linebackers we’ve had in the past five years before you tear into greenway

  83. goawayeverybody says: Dec 16, 2011 5:22 PM

    I just saw an interview where Adrian Peterson admitted he’s taking the field in part because of fantasy football whiners begging him to play. Does this strike anyone else as insane?

  84. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 5:28 PM

    adantsa says:
    Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM
    Yet they are still ranked #18. Ahead of the Pats. And the Packers. And the Bears. Just one below the Lions.

    The defense isn’t the problem. It’s the offense. LOL
    _______________
    You must not be watching the games…

    We’ve blown huge leads, we’ve fallen behind by 3-4 scores on a regular basis before the offense makes a push…the only reason we are middle of the pack statstically is because teams don’t run on the Vikes (no need to) and Jared Allen (or as Brian Billick calls him, Gerald).

    The secondary is horrendous and has been for some time. The linebackers are mediocre and Kevin Williams (one of my favorite Vikings of all time) is starting to look old.

    It’s time to revamp. I don’t think we have the personnel for a 3-4 but something must be done.

    __
    Not watching the games? Why would I? Your team sucks.

    Then again, neither is “weepingpenus”, the guy that I was responding to. Just be glad that others want to call out losers like him for dogging your team. I was trying to be nice to you Vikings fans but if you want to look a gift horse in the mouth, don’t get mad when he bites your fingers off.

  85. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 5:31 PM

    twobelowzero says:
    Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM
    “Vikings defenders” is an oxymoron.

    Funniest thing ive heard all day.

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    “twobelowzero”…is that what women call your little twig and berries?

  86. Robert says: Dec 16, 2011 5:35 PM

    Frazier will be back next year.

  87. bozosforall says: Dec 16, 2011 5:36 PM

    arrfarssle says:
    Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM
    The problem with the Vikings is their coach has a girls’ name. It’s simple. Look at the history and no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a girl’s name. coaches that win are named, Mike, Sean, Bill, Tom Tony, John, Dick, Brian, Jimmy, Vince, Weeb, Hank, and Chuck. Not Leslie. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

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    Sean (Payton) is a girl’s name. So much for your hairbrained theory.

  88. stevenfbrackett says: Dec 16, 2011 5:36 PM

    Ya know, we knew this would be a rebuilding year with the double disasters that were Favre and Childress that doomed us last season. We weren’t expecting you to win the Superbowl. We weren’t even expecting you to win the division.

    We were expecting you to be a little bit better than last year, though, and maybe, just maybe, even get into the general vicinity of .500.

    Was that really too much to ask for this year?

  89. fcmlefty1 says: Dec 16, 2011 5:47 PM

    FANof28 – you’ve just proven that you don’t understand how the tampa 2 is run. Thanks. Let me guess: You have Greenway in a Fantasy league that has IDP, so you think he is a stud with those 118 tackles?

    To clue you in: The Tampa 2 is a scheme that, if played correctly by the front 7, will dictate that every single running play is schematically funneled to the OLB’s. Derrick Brooks is the gold standard of the Tampa 2 OLB’s. Can you honestly say, that when you use your eyeballs and not just read a stat sheet, that Greenway is anywhere near what Derrick Brooks was? Derrick Brooks worst season is better than anything Greenway has put together in his career. And yet the Vikings thought he was a franchise player? Its scary that thier pro personel department (Spielman and others) is that blind.

  90. fcmlefty1 says: Dec 16, 2011 5:51 PM

    also, Fan of 28 – go back and look to see what opposing TE’s have done to the Vikings defense the past few years. Its scary. And that falls directly on Greenway as he’s the one LB thats always on the field.

    I find it comical that you can defend the guy. He’s paid to be an impact player. Name the last game he had a truly positive impact. I’ll stick with the 2007 game in the Meadowlands vs the Giants. That was 5 seasons ago. There is no defending his lack of impact over the last 3 seasons now.

  91. joerevs300 says: Dec 16, 2011 6:30 PM

    Gotta say I had a pretty good laugh reading this story.

    “The players simply ignored the play calls”.

    Memo to the defense: You, collectively, aren’t as good as Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, heck as a group you aren’t much better than Tarvaris Jackson or John Skelton.

    You’re paid to follow the playcall the D Coordinator wants. Not to audible and “freestyle” your own defense.

    Explains a lot to me about how the Vikings kept collapsing in the 2nd half of games in the beginning of the season, that’s for sure.

  92. theytukrjobs says: Dec 16, 2011 7:06 PM

    You can only fire so many head coaches over player mutiny before you start to wonder if the players are to blame.

    Sorry to say but play calling is the least of this team’s worries. Once players start worrying about the play call, you are screwed no matter what you do. They need to just shut up and execute the play.

  93. dd393 says: Dec 16, 2011 7:44 PM

    Skol Vikings!!!

    This whole thing of the inmates running the asylum began with the courting and begging of Brett Favre to come out of retirement and lead them to the promised land. And now the franchise has become a laughing stock. It’s time to hire a strong, football savvy general manager with the power to hire and fire the head coach. And to rebuild the team from the ground up. Look at the Green Bay Packers for your model and inspiration.

    But, they won’t. They’ll keep on lurching along. And sink even lower and lower.

  94. jimmysee says: Dec 16, 2011 9:28 PM

    maurice1108 says:
    Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM

    This team is not far off. Get a #1 Receiver which there should be plenty in Free Agency (Vincent jackson or Desean Jackson) and get a decent corner like cortlain finnagan out of tennesee or Brent Grimes out of Atlanta. Draft Kali at LT with the first pick move chris johnson to OG. And get a few good safteys in the draft and pickup a real NT in free agency. They do all that and The Vikings will be a 9+ win team next season.

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    You must be the former Pervy Harvin who haunted these parts and always had delusions when it came to the Vikes.

    This team must avoid shortcuts if it wants to be a long term player in the league.

    9 wins next season under any circumstances is a dream.

    The bones are not there to build upon.

    And the personnel department doesn’t have a clue when it comes to judging talent.

  95. johnnyshore says: Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM

    ““There also are strong concerns within the building about Singletary’s aptitude for the position,” Pelissero writes.”

    Are you kidding me? As a 49ers fan, I realize he may not be head coach material due to his lack of an offensive mindset, but the guy got the head coaching job based on his phenomenal performance as defensive coordinator. The great 49er defense that exists today was built primarily by Singletary, and he got a lot out of his defense as coordinator. I think the Vikings would be lucky to have a d coordinator like Mike.

  96. johnnyshore says: Dec 17, 2011 10:35 AM

    Correction, as linebackers/assistant head coach.

  97. bleed4philly says: Dec 17, 2011 10:55 AM

    It’s ok Leslie, you wanna coach our D? We’ll gladly listen to you!

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