You can say what you want about the Lion’s running game, but there is no way it’s worse than what the Giants have been doing this year on the ground, so don’t try to paint that picture as a point for Stafford over Manning.

I think Eli gets in on the strength of his comebacks this year and what he means to his team. The Giants are 8-7 right now, but take him off the roster and replace him with an average QB and they have maybe one or two wins. They would’ve beaten the Jets (the Jets gave that game away) and the Bills (Bradshaw ran for 3TD and 100+ yards) without Eli’s input, and maybe the Rams. You’d be looking at a 3-12 or 2-13 team right now without Eli. Look at the 4th quarter drives he’s put together against NE, GB, Dallas, etc.

Eli has been winning in spite of a terrible running game and a terrible defense. Look at the positions he’s been put in every game in the 4th quarter with a couple minutes left and look how he’s consistently pulled it out.

If he pulls out another 4th quarter dagger with a couple minutes left against Dallas on Sunday, he not only has easily earned his Pro Bowl selection, he is starting to look like a dark horse candidate for MVP because his team would be absolutely atrocious without him. The very definition of valuable.

kev86 says:
Dec 28, 2011 8:33 AM
Your team is heading into a must win game. You are held at gunpoint and asked which QB you want for the big game..Matthew Stafford or Eli Manning? You have a second to decide or the gun goes off….who do you pick???

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ELI.

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Makes one of you lol

I don’t even think Eli would choose himself in this scenario.

simplesimon1 says:
Dec 27, 2011 11:46 PM
@superboys5x

First, I agree that the Romo bashing gets old. I like Romo. That being said, Stafford has had an incredible year. And it’s his first full year and he’s only 23 years old. He’s barely thrown more INT’s than Romo and 9 of those 14 you see came when he had a broken index finger on his throwing hand. Outside the games played with a broken finger he has 33 TD’s and 5 INT’s. Fact is, Stafford has many years left to grow and that’s scary considering he’s in the elite category of stats this year already. Also, he’s been the difference. Calvin has always been good. Wonder why he’s having a breakout year……It’s because he finally has an elite QB throwing to him.

I’m now hoping to play the Giants first round. We’ll see who the ProBowl QB is.

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Not in East Rutherford, you don’t. Maybe in that comfy dome. The Lions aren’t built for this cold.

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Oh yea I almost forgot about the New Jersey Giants

Lions are 4-1 outdoors this year and 6-4 in domes…

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ELI.

First, I agree that the Romo bashing gets old. I like Romo. That being said, Stafford has had an incredible year. And it’s his first full year and he’s only 23 years old. He’s barely thrown more INT’s than Romo and 9 of those 14 you see came when he had a broken index finger on his throwing hand. Outside the games played with a broken finger he has 33 TD’s and 5 INT’s. Fact is, Stafford has many years left to grow and that’s scary considering he’s in the elite category of stats this year already. Also, he’s been the difference. Calvin has always been good. Wonder why he’s having a breakout year……It’s because he finally has an elite QB throwing to him.

I’m now hoping to play the Giants first round. We’ll see who the ProBowl QB is.

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Not in East Rutherford, you don’t. Maybe in that comfy dome. The Lions aren’t built for this cold.

would you rather be the Prom King or the guy banging the Prom King’s girlfriend?? just saying who do you think is which in this scenario??

Wow, I never realized that Lions fans were such crybabies. I mean, whining over whether Stafford made the team in such a meaningless game? I’m sorry, but I doubt that Stafford even cares that much.

Maybe the Pro Bowl is like the Oscars. Sometimes you “win” based on your body of work, not as much by the film you made. I mean, why else did Scorcese win for “The Departed” and not “Taxi Driver” “GoodFellas” or “Raging Bull”? This is statistically Eli’s best year, and coaches and players are looking at the entire body of work, as compared to Staffords lone complete season.

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Lets just set the record straight….

Matthew Stafford’s stat’s are far superior than Eli in all but YPC and Eli has a slight lead (I’m going to go out on a limb and say that changes after this weekend) by 69 yards.

Matthew Stafford plays in the hardest division in football…sorry guys the NFC East is a complete joke this year.

The Pack are the best team in football and both games against the Bears were when they were healthy and on pace to be a 10/11 win team before sustaining all the injuries.

They’ve had to play other teams such as the 49ers, Saints, Broncos, Raiders, Cowboys, Falcons all teams in 1st place or the playoff hunt.

Matthew Stafford has the NFL all time record for must come from behind wins in a season of 13+ point deficits…can’t get much more clutch than that.

Oh yea and lastly…Matthew Stafford has led the Lions to a better record and locked up a playoff birth already.

The only argument you can make over Stafford is for Romo….THAT’S IT.

Needless to say I’ll be rooting for the G-men this weekend along with my Lions in hopes this can all be settle the first week of the Playoffs…I’m sure Stafford won’t be motivated at all

The chiefs sent 2 defenders. The 32nd ranked D in the NFL sent three. Raji goes over Suh despite having a horrible 1st half of the season

Manning over stafford? We must of forgotten the stat column….win/loss record….and the fact MS did it without a running game.

And one that pisses me off…….Brandon Pettigrew. Third among NFC TEs in receptions…….but pettigrew does something that all these “pro-bowl” TEs don’t: he actually blocks. He’s an every down TE…..there was recent artical that said as a blocker BP grades out better grades out better than like 50% of offensive linemen. But since he doesn’t have a high number of 20+ yd receptions, he’ll never get a look.

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As if the Giants aren’t DEAD LAST in the league in rushing? FOH stupid.

And Stafford singlehandedly lost the Lions 3 of the 5 games they’ve lost. Eli hasn’t been the reason the Giants have lost any of theirs.

He has broken the Giants passing yards for a season record (tough place to play QB), has tied Johnny Unita and Peyton Manning for most 4th qtr TD passes in a season, has a high 4th qtr QB rating (money player) and has led the Giants to wins against the Pats in Foxboro ( broke Pats home win streak) and a 12 point comeback in final 5 minutes at Dallas. He led the Gianst to victory against Rodgers and the Packers too but the Giants defense blew it in the final minute.

As impressive as Staffords stats look ( I havent watched all of his games) I have a hard time saying Eli does not deserve the nod.

Eli is ELITE and congratulations to him on making the pro bowl. Perhaps the best part about him is he could proabbaly careless about making the team.

GO BLUE!!!

At least Detroit has a defense.

Maybe the Pro Bowl is like the Oscars. Sometimes you “win” based on your body of work, not as much by the film you made. I mean, why else did Scorcese win for “The Departed” and not “Taxi Driver” “GoodFellas” or “Raging Bull”? This is statistically Eli’s best year, and coaches and players are looking at the entire body of work, as compared to Staffords lone complete season.

Sack leaders among interior linemen (sack #:
NFC:
Calais Campbell (ARI) – 8
Henry Melton (CHI) – 7
Justin Smith (SF) – 6.5 (selected)
Stephen Bowen (WAS) – 6
Adam Carriker (WAS) – 5.5
Cullen Jenkins (PHI) – 5.5
Ray McDonald (SF) – 5.5
Jason Hatcher (DAL) – 4
Amobi Okoye (CHI) – 4
Kevin Williams (MIN) – 4
Chris Canty (NYG) – 3
(3 more NFC players with 3 sacks)
B.J. Raji (GB) – 3 (selected)
(10 more NFC players)
Jay Ratliff (DAL) – 2 (selected)

AFC:
Geno Atkins (CIN) – 8
Karl Klug (TEN) – 7
Pernell McGee (BAL) – 6
Marcel Dareus (BUF) – 5.5
Richard Seymour (OAK) – 6 (selected)
J.J. Watt (HOU) – 5.5
Haloti Ngata (BAL) – 5.5 (selected)
Jared Odrick (MIA) – 5
Corey Redding (BAL) – 4.5
Antonio Smith (HOU) – 4.5
Cam Thomas (SD) – 4
Randy Starks (MIA) – 3.5
(10 more AFC players)
Vince Wilfork (NE) – 2.5 (selected)

This is a lot of snubs.

As to your last line: I’ve seen some of Cruz’s catches and subsequent yac; I think he’s turned himself into a household name. He definately belongs over Jennings this year.

Matthews seems to be another one making it on reputation and team success. He has nice all around numbers but not really Pro Bowl worthy. He’s 8th on his own team in total tackles; behind two other linebackers who have played in three less games (59 more tackles) and two fewer games (30 more tackles). I guess his 3 INTs and 6 sacks out way Aldon Smith’s 14 sacks.

Let’s also not forget the Giants have clearly played the toughest schedule in the league this year. Let’s also not forget that Eli has turned an Unknown receiver into household name.

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Not true!

Giants strength of schedule: .521
Detroits strength of schedule: .533

Detroit’s strength of schedule is the toughest amongst playoff teams.

“fatdaddy73 says: Dec 27, 2011 7:49 PM

Matt Stafford— 36 td 14 int 4518 yds 96.6 rating
Eli Manning — 26 td 16 int 4587 yds 90.3 rating”

Stafford also has a lesser average, 50 more attempts, 10 more sacks, doesn’t play in a run first offense (despite having running backs with better averages than the Giants), and arguably the best receiver in the league to go along with the fact 10 of his games were indoors.

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Stafford has 48 more attempts and 50 more completions than Manning. While Stafford has been sacked more often, he has fumbled less (5 times losing one) than Manning (8 fumbles losing 4). Manning does have a higher Yards Per Attempt and passing yards, but Stafford has him in completion %, TDs, fewer INTs and QB rating.

lionsfan49418 says:Dec 27, 2011 8:01 PM

Absolute travesty that Eli made it over Stafford. Really? Why?? Cliff Avril anyone?

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So who do you take out in his stead?

eigglesnosuperbowls says:Dec 27, 2011 8:04 PM

JPP yeah you know me,,, I almost got more tackles than babin and allen combined !

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I guess, if 81 is almost 99.

Haah, I hope we play you. Not only do we have a pro bowler as a QB, but he also happens to be a super bowl MVP who orchestrated the greatest playoff push in history and has more dramatic 4th quarter comebacks this year than any other quarterback.

If you’re asking to come play a clutch, icewater-veined quarterback, then yes, hope for the 5 seed.

#ELI