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Packers to sell even more non-stock stock

Mark Murphy AP

The initial sale of the Packers’ non-stock stock has gone so well over the holiday season, the team is adding inventory for 2012.

The team announced Tuesday that 30,000 additional shares will be sold. That’s because they have nearly sold out the 250,000 shares initially made available at $250 a pop, plus a $25 handling charge.

The math is simple. The Packers will rake in $70 million if they sell out all 280,000 shares. The amount of Packers shareholders has tripled in the last month.

“As [team president] Mark Murphy said, we’ll see where it goes,” spokesman Aaron Popkey said Tuesday via the Green Bay Press-Gazette. “We know there are fans out there that want to participate.”

Florio pointed out that league rules will not allow other teams to try a similar maneuver. (Which makes sense for a variety of reasons.)

Since the Packers are essentially just printing money, however, they may want to try to do this every Christmas.

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  1. tatum064 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:06 AM

    Rodgers!

    DISCOUNT DOUBLE-CHECK!

  2. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:07 AM

    Everyone’s a winner!

  3. randolph32 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:12 AM

    There’s a sucker born everyday, and the CheeseHeads are at the front of the line….

  4. 7to10for6allday says: Dec 28, 2011 9:12 AM

    People are retarded, it’s not enough that they get your money on Tix, merchandise etc. now they sell you worthless paper too? I don’t want a stock that isn’t worth anything.

  5. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Dec 28, 2011 9:13 AM

    I’ve never seen people get more excited over a worthless piece of paper. That being said, if Jerry Jones did this, I’d buy a ton of them.

  6. steelersownyou says: Dec 28, 2011 9:14 AM

    What a scam! These packers fans are such imbeciles. Oh here’s a piece of paper that says you have stock in the packers…my god what a bunch of sheep they are!

  7. thedisbackindtown says: Dec 28, 2011 9:15 AM

    oh boy PACKER fans! Here you thought you were going to miss out on owning (but not really) your team. There has to be some hick out there that is just beside himself with excitement thinking ….”man can you imagine what this will be worth when my grandkids get ahold of it”? Well actually it will be worth the same thing today as it will be 1,000 years from now. NOTHING! lol wow I love how nieve packer fans are!

  8. beedubyatoo says: Dec 28, 2011 9:17 AM

    Since the Packers are essentially just printing money, however, they may want to try to do this every Christmas

    ————————-

    The Packers learned this money raising gimmick from the federal government. Only difference is the feds do it 12 months a year.

  9. bmue42 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:17 AM

    true fans, who needs a tax to renivate lambeau? americas team need only to ask their followers

  10. cusoman says: Dec 28, 2011 9:17 AM

    This is just sad, it’s like gambling in that it’s a self-inflicted tax for the stupid. Talk about poor money management Wisconsinites…

  11. randomguy9999 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:18 AM

    it’s amazing they have been able to pull this off… essentially people are donating money to the Packers and being told they are getting stock…. disclaimer or not, how is that not illegal?

    you realize that, right pack fans? you give them $275, they send you a stock certificate that is not a stock certificate, it’s a piece of memorabilia….

  12. thejuddstir says: Dec 28, 2011 9:18 AM

    Ponzi schemes are illegal in 49 States but not wisconsin…….go figure!

  13. 700levelvet says: Dec 28, 2011 9:19 AM

    More or Less it’s a legal ponzi scheme…..

  14. marvsleezy says: Dec 28, 2011 9:19 AM

    Dont they have a shareholders meeting every year at the stadium though? Will they have enough room there now?

  15. edmazeing1 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:25 AM

    easiest money ever made!!!

  16. benh999 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:26 AM

    Stock that can not be sold for more than it was purchased for and earns no dividends. Only a Green Bay fan could reconcile an investment like that.

  17. ickky says: Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM

    I hear they have a nice bridge for sale as well

  18. bigbluefan1 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM

    Funny the Packers would not even exist if not for teams like the Giants giving up the lions share of the TV money to support these small market teams.

    Yeah all you packer backer would not even have a team with Wellington Mara did not take money out of his pocket and put it into the pockets of small town teams.

    So when your getting ready to watch your teams play you should turn and face NY and say thank you Wellington for with out your kindness there would be no football in the flyover states

  19. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM

    Packers Stock = $250.00
    Handling Fee = $25.00

    Owning part of an NFL franchise and never having to put up with the Jerry Jones’ of the world = PRICELESS.

  20. weepingjebus says: Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM

    They should also sell containers of air “bottled on the 50 yard line of Lambeau field!” I bet these people would pay $29.95 a pop for them.

  21. sudz28 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM

    I know people are slamming this whole ‘stock’ thing as a bilking of the fan base, but frankly who cares? If my team did the same thing I’m sure I’d buy a share just for fun, even if I know I can’t ever sell it for a profit. People like to show their support for their teams, so what’s the harm?

  22. orangeflh says: Dec 28, 2011 9:31 AM

    Great. Here come all the geniuses to tell us that this is a worthless piece of paper… ‘cuz, you know, they’re so much smarter than everyone else.

    All those years in mom’s basement watching TV and playing video games have finally paid off.

  23. deeeeetroit says: Dec 28, 2011 9:31 AM

    hey look they sell useless tickets for a big green bandwagon!!

  24. pack4ever says: Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM

    We’re lucky to be able to do this, Should lead to some improvements at lambeau and some cash to resign/extend guys.

  25. adirtyplayernamedsue says: Dec 28, 2011 9:34 AM

    Great for the Packers. All money is basically donated to them, no taxpayers HAVE to pay for the improvements. Win-Win all the way around.

  26. checkitd0wn says: Dec 28, 2011 9:38 AM

    The classiest run team in the league with the smartest fans. wait, what?

    The organization is screwing their fans and the fans are too dumb too realize. Awww, Well that’s Wisconsin for you.

  27. dogman9 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:38 AM

    Didn’t Richard Nixon once say “You can fool some of the people all of the time”

  28. 2difshoe says: Dec 28, 2011 9:38 AM

    Packer Stock is like the American dollar, worthless !

    The organization with all their money, finds a way to fool the people into spending their hard earn dollars to make them richer…rich get richer and the poor get poorer..the true american way.

    What a waste !

  29. primetime0552 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:39 AM

    Only Packers fans would be dumb enough to buy ‘stock’ that you can never do anything with.

  30. joetoronto says: Dec 28, 2011 9:43 AM

    Everyone who buys is a loser.

  31. vegaskid21 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:43 AM

    $70 Million dollars for selling worthless stock!!!!! I am definately in the wrong business.

  32. shieldsisland37 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM

    My grandfather got me a share about 12 years ago. It always put me in a different class of fans as silly as it sounds. It gave me instant respect in my football opinion at bars or school. Now that everyone has it, ehhh, not quite that cool anymore.

  33. blaz0037 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM

    Its not stock if it can’t be sold.

    Its basicly a voluntary contribution to the stadium.

  34. PFTiswhatitis says: Dec 28, 2011 9:45 AM

    Sure, why not keep printing more…more money…

  35. tampajoey says: Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM

    I own a couple bridges in Wisconsin I’d like to sell to Packers fans. What a bunch of morons!

  36. pheelingphine says: Dec 28, 2011 9:48 AM

    Can’t fool us more than once.

  37. 2difshoe says: Dec 28, 2011 9:48 AM

    Packers stock provides no financial benefits to its owners. It doesn’t pay dividends or appreciate in value, and the team can block any resale. Stock can be passed on to family members and does allow the holder to vote on team business, including directors, and attend annual meetings.

    Shareholders do get some perks, such as a locker room tour during one annual meeting, and they can purchase exclusive “owner” merchandise.

    ====================================

    Whoopie !!!

    Thank you sir, may I have another.
    It now appears that the moldy cheese has clouded the logical thinking of Packer Fans.

  38. jimmysimpson55 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:49 AM

    What a scam. Packers fans should be ashamed of this racket as it cheapens a good team.

  39. cjw1197 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:49 AM

    I was thinking about getting some non-stock stock, but then I figured I would cut out the middle man and just flush the $250 down the toilet instead.

  40. gbfan says: Dec 28, 2011 9:53 AM

    They’ve always held the shareholders meeting at Lambeau in the summer. Wonder with their plan is if all these people acutally show up next year, lol.

  41. comeonnowguys says: Dec 28, 2011 9:54 AM

    Can’t blame the team. Keep selling until the suckers catch on.

    Who cares if the previous groups get mad that their value–in this case, exclusivity–is diluted? They already paid.

  42. j4a1 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:56 AM

    Imagine that…and community and fan base coming together, without government intervention, to put an addition on stadium.

    What a novel concept. And here we thought government had to do everything for us.

  43. clintonportisheadd says: Dec 28, 2011 9:58 AM

    Whatever it takes to keep the team from falling into the hands of an egomaniac owner!

    One has to wonder how many Redskins fans would pay a one time $250 “fee” to be rid of Daniel Snyder? Or Cowboys fans if it meant sending Jerry “The Facelift of the Franchise” Jones packing?

  44. vegaskid21 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:58 AM

    Cheese is not a mascot!

  45. mjkelly77 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:00 AM

    Just what everyone needs. A $275 conversation piece hanging on the wall. It loses its panache the geographically farther you are from Wisconsin. I’d rather buy their cheese.

  46. 8man says: Dec 28, 2011 10:01 AM

    This is absolutely brilliant! Or people are just very stupid. Whichever.

    Sadly, I cannot participate as my walls are already over flowing with championship trimmings from various Red Sox, Celtics, Patriots and now Bruins titles. I’d have no space with which to proudly display my ownership of said non-stock, stock.

  47. infectorman says: Dec 28, 2011 10:03 AM

    “Stock in the Packers does not constitute an investment in ‘stock’ in the common sense of the term. . . . Anyone considering the purchase of Packers stock should not purchase the stock to make a profit or to receive a dividend or tax deduction or any other economic benefits.”

    ….?

  48. buzzardpointlookout says: Dec 28, 2011 10:08 AM

    Why not do this? Are Packers fans really idiots for buying memorabilia?

    Getting what amounts to donations from fans all over the place sure beats the snot out of raising taxes in Wisconsin. Kudos to the Pack for handling their business without begging the state for funds.

  49. irishjugalo says: Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM

    I guess the math is so simple that you couldn’t get it right. Those figures work out to $7 million, you frickin bonehead.

  50. goinghamonit128 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:10 AM

    This move prompting more idiots to believe they actually are owners of the team.

  51. orangeflh says: Dec 28, 2011 10:12 AM

    j4a1 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 9:56 AM

    Imagine that…and community and fan base coming together, without government intervention, to put an addition on stadium.

    What a novel concept. And here we thought government had to do everything for us.
    ““““““““““““““““““““`
    Exactly. I guess these “geniuses” on here would rather the Packers were modeled after the Vikings, who may or may not be in Minnesota next year.

    Or perhaps they’d rather the Pack was modeled after the Ravens, who already screwed Cleveland by sneaking out in the middle of the night.

    Or the Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts.

    Los Angeles/ St. Louis Rams?

    Cardinals?

    Okay… I finally got it. The “geniuses” here are all pissed because Packers fans aren’t held hostage by a greedy owner.

  52. rollinghillsgolfer says: Dec 28, 2011 10:14 AM

    I bought another share and I’d do it again. Packer fan since 1963 and I’m proud that I did it. i’m from Mississippi by the way

  53. mortort says: Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM

    Wow. So much anger here. Go ahead, get it all out. Whatever makes you feel better.

    Meanwhile, I’ll take my community-based, non-profit team, that will not need a dime from tax payers to renovate its stadium. You can continue to support your profit-motivated billionaires. I can just tell you’re smarter than me. And skinnier.

  54. aberamsey says: Dec 28, 2011 10:20 AM

    The thing everyone misses in the endless ripping of the “stupidity” of Packer fans is the fact that this is memorabilia. It’s something to frame and put on the wall. Yes, it doesn’t go up in value, but who cares? Does that $200 you spend on an “authentic” Adrian Peterson jersey go up in value? Does the $75 you drop on a Fathead go up in value?

    I guess we’d all rather bilk taxpayers who could care less about the Packers than have actual fans support the teams stadium expansion.

  55. bchsom16 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:23 AM

    I love everyone’s ridiculous comments calling Packer fans stupid for wasting money on a worthless piece of paper. Most people that buy the stock buy it as a piece of memorabilia, not actually thinking its a stock that has any value and can grow in value. Its no different then buying a jersey or any other expensive team memorabilia, yet you morons need to sit on your high horse and call Packer fans, who are directly helping the best team in the NFL, that they love, continue to be great. You commentor’s are the real morons.

  56. 7to10for6allday says: Dec 28, 2011 10:26 AM

    Instead of dividends, they pay you fromunda cheese.

  57. jbythebay says: Dec 28, 2011 10:26 AM

    Voluntarily supporting your team is better than just demanding money from taxpayers. Just as consensual sex is better than rape

  58. chocolatebaconbutter says: Dec 28, 2011 10:30 AM

    I drew a picture of a nice NY Giants logo on some card stock and colored it with some nice crayons, and drew a picture of the stadium. Then after that, I wrote on there that I was the honorary owner of the Giants and that I was awesome.

    This is basically the same thing right? Except I saved 250 bucks?

  59. j4a1 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:30 AM

    PSL’s, $400 autographed footballs, $25 for parking, $150 Jersey’s. I guess they are all scams.

    We all pay for the NFL one way or the other.

  60. greenandgold13 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:32 AM

    Wow, look at all you haters out there just wishing your team would offer the same thing. If you were a true fan of your team and had an appreciation for sports memorabilia you would jump on the opportunity. Now, for those of you who claim that us Packers fans are dumb, what makes you think so? That we have such love for our team that we will spend a nominal $250 for a share in the team? This is what makes GB different from the other 31 franchises. And by no means am I saying we are up in an ivory tower looking down everyone else, this is a part of history and how a small market team has survived for almost 100 years by fan support and believers together. Also, absolutely do not criticize the state of WI and its residents for being the only people in this world cheering for the Packers and buying their stock. There were people in all 50 states who purchased the stock. Why tax the residents of GB when 250,000 fans could financially help out?

  61. nesuperfan says: Dec 28, 2011 10:34 AM

    This seems to me to give the Packers and unfair advantage. The stock has no voting rights, and does not go up or down in value, so it is really nothing more than memorabilia.

    So when are the other owners going to vote to allow it for their teams?

  62. mortort says: Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM

    Wait, when I buy an authentic jersey, I am actually on the team, right? I mean, in the right situation, I could get called in to play. That’s why I get my own last name on the back–so when I get called in, nobody gets me confused with B.J. Raji.

  63. hodag54501 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM

    I absolutely love seeing the jealousy of non-Packers fans and the confirmation that they just don’t “get it”.
    Fantastic!
    The Packers are ‘owned’ by the people who love them. Those stockholders select the group that governs the team, including the selection of the president, today it’s Mark Murphy. Murphy in turn, selects the other team leaders, like Ted Thompson. So these stockholders indirectly have a say in the running of the organization. Does your owner allow the fans access like this? Didn’t think so. While the do-dos here and elsewhere can’t figure it out(the Packers are a non-profit tax-exempt entity so they can’t offer returns like a for-profit corporation), this status enables the franchise to thrive in the smallest professional market in the country even in years when the team had a bad record. So instead of viewing the stock sale with derision, you should call it ‘brilliant’ or ‘fortunate’ which is what it is. You will go spend more than 250 bucks on going to game with friends in your town and watch them get their butts kicked then scorn ‘stupid’ Packers fans for spending some money to guarantee THAT THE PACKERS WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE CHAMPIONSHIPS.
    Amen.

  64. theytukrjobs says: Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM

    The stock not only has no legal value or meaning, but it can’t even be cashed in. It is a piece of mass produced paper. As a piece of memorabilia, it has zero rarity and will steadily lose value.

    Since the team is a state owned entity, what you are doing buy purchasing the little piece of paper is enthusiastically paying extra taxes. The only thing that makes it seem like anything different is the fact that THEY are printing the Packers name on it and falsely calling it stock. It is no different than them printing a piece of paper that says “I paid extra taxes”.

    It is, simply put, one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of. I can’t wait for them to milk this year after year to see how long it takes these idiots to figure out what is going on.

  65. 31teamsarebetterthanthepackers says: Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM

    This is a manufactured fan base built by the media.

  66. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM

    greenandgold13 – no, what makes you different is that you Wisconsin hacks are stupid enough to purchase worthless memorabilia. For all those saying it is just memorabilia, you are kidding yourself. What it is..is a worthless piece of memorabilia….and taking advantage of the fact that many will not realize that it is really worthless….some will actually think the paper means something…it is taking advantage of the moronic for corporate gain, nothing more, nothing less…and there is a reason why the NFL isn’t allowing any other teams to do the same!!!!!

  67. bvanbvan says: Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM

    I’m lovin’ my share!

  68. fngs1 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM

    aberamsey
    ——————————————————
    I agree with you. what i get a kick out of is alot of these teams building new stadiums every 30 years or so at the cost of what a BILLION dollars now, which a good portion comes from tax payers. so ah, since Lambeau has been around for 55 years and they keep up grading with non-tax money to keep it. YES i will spend $275 once in my life time to keep it going. so have building new stadiums every 30 years.

  69. ruvelligwebuike says: Dec 28, 2011 10:53 AM

    Let’s do a little comparison to figure out how dumb Packer fans are for buying this stock.

    Lambeau Field Parking in main lot: Free
    Metrodome main lot parking: $25

    Ribeye Steak Sandwich with sauteed peppers/onions, side of fries and New Glarus Spotted Cow while overlooking Lambeau at Curly’s Pub in the Lambeau Atrium (paid for by a stock sale): $16 plus tip

    Hot Dog and 3.2 % (3.2…haha! only in Minnesota) Bud Light: $14

    Lambeau: Expanding with no tax money
    Metrodome: Imploding and no new stadium without tax dollars

    Packers: 13 time World Champions, operated by officials elected by the shareholders.

    Vikings: Do I need to say anything? Homeless in a frozen hell. Although, I can’t say hell is frozen because the Vikings haven’t won the Super Bowl yet.

  70. cleverbob says: Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM

    I don’t see why other teams couldn’t do the same thing since it isn’t truly stock in ownership anyway. Other than the fact that no other fans would buy it…

  71. dcviking says: Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM

    That we have such love for our team that we will spend a nominal $250 for a share in the team? This is what makes GB different from the other 31 franchises. And by no means am I saying we are up in an ivory tower looking down everyone else,

    ——————————————–

    Uh…..yeah, that’s appears to be exactly what you are doing.

  72. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 10:58 AM

    This is hilarious!!!!….and Packer fans want to boast how great their “legendary” franchise is???? Give me a break. Packers fans must be the most gullible and stupid fans on the planet. Green Bay isn’t the mecca of intelligence. LOL

  73. 49fromwi says: Dec 28, 2011 11:00 AM

    weepingjebus says:

    Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM

    They should also sell containers of air “bottled on the 50 yard line of Lambeau field!” I bet these people would pay $29.95 a pop for them.

    ________________________________

    Hey, this product is on sale, NOW, at the Packer pro shop!

  74. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM

    @nesuperfan…..

    The stock does have voting rights. We get to vote on the board of directors. Granted, its one vote out of 300,000. But still, it is a vote.

    Additionally, the Packers are a non-profit team. It’s kinda hard to fund expansion and other projects needed to compete without some way to raise additional funds.

    Fair or not, we don’t have a Bob Kraft to reach into his enormous pockets to fund some improvements and so fundraising mechanisms like this will help the Packers remain competitive.

    Something any true Packer fan will get behind.

  75. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM

    hodag54501 – and you are one of the tools that actually think the stock is real…..hilarious!!!!!….

  76. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:02 AM

    So many misinformed “people” here. Get your facts straight before trying to act like your so smart. And that IS all it will ever be is just acting.

  77. mb1265 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM

    Everyone who sees the need to use this topic as a way to bash fans and refer to them as morons needs to take a breath and relax. The stock sale is nothing more than fans buying a piece of memorabilia and is no different than paying for a favorite player’s autograph, paying a seat license fee for the right to purchase season tickets, or paying for licensed NFL memorabilia.

    The simple fact is that the Packers have an opportunity to generate revenue and are taking advantage of the opportunity. Some of the people who are on this website mocking Packer fans are probably the same people who would be ripping the organization if they were to ask for taxpayer money for the expansion.

    Regardless of how you look at it and how a club generates revenue, it normally comes down to the general public supporting an expansion project. The only difference in this case is that the Packers are not asking every taxpaying citizen of Brown County to pay for it this time.

    As for the comment by bigbluefan1 about Wellington Mara, perhaps Mr. Mara is smarter than all of us and realizes that the value of his franchise and investment is increasing on a regular basis because of revenue sharing. Of course, the owners could do away with revenue sharing and reduce the league to a handful of teams. That would most likely reduce the league dominance overall and lead to a decline in franchise values. But that would also mean no football for the flyover states, and leave places like New Jersey, the armpit of America, as the place to be.

  78. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM

    “golonger says:
    Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM
    greenandgold13 – no, what makes you different is that you Wisconsin hacks are stupid enough to purchase worthless memorabilia. For all those saying it is just memorabilia, you are kidding yourself. What it is..is a worthless piece of memorabilia….and taking advantage of the fact that many will not realize that it is really worthless….some will actually think the paper means something…it is taking advantage of the moronic for corporate gain, nothing more, nothing less…and there is a reason why the NFL isn’t allowing any other teams to do the same!!!!!”

    ===================================
    Yeah, because that Authentic Jersey you wear is worth $200.00 worth of fabric. And the paper that Babe Ruth rookie card is printed on is really worth 200k.

    Wow, how clueless are you? Sports memorabilia has value because of its connection with the team and the players and based on how desirable it is. No different here.

  79. comeonnowguys says: Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM

    “Get your facts straight before trying to act like your so smart.”

    “Muphry’s” Law in full effect.

  80. philtration says: Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM

    shieldsisland37 says: Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM

    My grandfather got me a share about 12 years ago. It always put me in a different class of fans as silly as it sounds. It gave me instant respect in my football opinion at bars or school. Now that everyone has it, ehhh, not quite that cool anymore.
    ====================================

    Don’t fool yourself Ace.

    It was just as stupid 12 years ago and NO ONE thought that you were cool for having this worthless item.

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for your Pet Rock to come back in style either.

  81. jamalsagod says: Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM

    It’s a novelty title purchase that lasts forever. I bought one and spend more money on soda in a year. I’m an NFL owners, it means nothing but sounds cool and makes me far more important than you yokels!

    Bow to me. Bow to me. Bow to me.

  82. mossholder says: Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM

    All of the posts about how Packer fans are stupid and naive about buying stock are just jealous. For those who think that people are getting scammed, what are they getting scammed of exactly? The franchise proposed that they sell stock so they can have money for renovations. It’s not like they said “Buy Packer stock and make millions within 5 years!”

    Everyone knows what the money is going towards and people take pride that they were able to voluntarily participate in the renovations. After they are finished, thousands of fans can honestly say that they made a contribution to the stadium. Can any other fans in any other professional sport say that? Nope.

    Packers fans aren’t stupid, they take pride in their team. One of the many reasons why being a Packer fan is great. Also don’t be a coward and talk crap about another team and not say who you’re a fan of. Talk is cheap online and if you’re going to say something as arrogant as Packer fans being stupid for buying a piece of paper, then make your case in why you think you’re so much better than others.

  83. dcviking says: Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM

    Look, I hate the Sconnies as much as the next person, but…

    the people who have indicated this is away for the team to raise money without taxing the general public are right on. For the people who enjoy the Packers and want to pay for the upkeep and expansion of Lambeau, this is a great vehicle. And as others have noted, buying stock isn’t really that different than a PSL.

    My question is can other teams do anything similar to this (obviously, they can’t sell stock)?

    For instance, what if the Vikings just set up a website to collect money for a new stadium (all right haters, take your shots) — but it removes the burden from the general taxpayer
    and allows people who value the team to contribute if/as they see fit, and ensure that the money is directed to a new stadium rather than to say a new theater or new park.

    By taking the route the Packers are able to take, they keep government out of the process — which generally only improves the process.

  84. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM

    jrmbadger – sorry, it is YOU that is misinformed….there are NO voting rights with these shares!…Get a clue

  85. leatherface2012 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM

    here’s how to get rid of the season ticket backlog or whatever its called. instead of adding 7,000 seats, build the stadium up say 30 or 40 stories, add 750,000 to 900,000 seats !!! hysterical, they would be blacked out every home game…..they couldnt sell 900,000 seats at $10,000 per ticket

  86. clintonportisheadd says: Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM

    For the very slow out there in PFT land (and there are so many of you) we will repeat this again.

    The folks buying $250 shares are smart people. They know what they are getting. It is not an “investment” designed to make money-and they know it. It’s an investment to keep the team locally owned and away from a Dan Snyder type. Everyone in Green Bay knows it.

    Anyone here STILL not getting it?

  87. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM

    jrmbadger – no WRONG….when I buy a jersey, I am getting a jersey….when I buy a baseball card, I know I am getting just that. When someone buys this piece of garbage, they buying something on, in many cases, incorrect ideas and buying something based on what they wish it really was….that is taking advantage of people….sorry!

  88. dellied says: Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM

    cusoman says: Dec 28, 2011 9:17 AM

    This is just sad, it’s like gambling in that it’s a self-inflicted tax for the stupid. Talk about poor money management Wisconsinites…

    ==================

    Says “cusoman” as he clicks “buy it now” on a 250 dollar Peyton Manning jersey. Or Antonio Gates signed football. Or a helmet signed by Tom Brady. All of which are “worthless” in the sense that they will do nothing other than sit on your mantle.

    Oh but they appreciate in value, you say? Great. Except if you took that same money and invested it in something as boring and simple as a commodity like gold, silver or orange juice, you’d come out with better aggregate gains. In which case you’ve made an incredibly stupid investment.

    But you can’t sell the stock certificate, you say? I’m sure the people purchasing it plan in handing it down as a keepsake. If not, there are plenty of more stupid things all of you morons have dumped 250 dollars on and have nothing to show for it.

    Ever gambled in Vegas? Gone on an excursion in Cozumel? What do you have to show for it? Oh “memories” right? Lol. Man you’re stupid. You spent money on something and now you have nothing in return except nothing.

    Once you start introducing these sorts of intangible concepts of value, you begin to understand how, when you’re paying for intangible value, what is intangibly valuable to you may not be to someone else. I don’t care that you have a testicle hair of the Dalai Lama. But you may have paid 15 grand for it. Does having his testicle hair allow you to vote on religious edicts? No? Well you’re a moron, then.

    Hey, does that bronze statue of Zeus in your foyer appreciate in value? Wait, no, it doesn’t? It cost you 8 grand? But it’s so stupid. I wouldn’t pay 3 cents for it. Oh, but it’s art? But how is art valuable? Oh because you like looking at it and owning it. Now I get it. How could I have been so stupid.

  89. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM

    I would love to purchase a picture of an authentic jersey and wear it….or a picture of a baseball card….and be told it is authentic! LOL

  90. packersweep says: Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM

    This is a voluntary “tax” paid by fans of the real “America`s Team”. The rest of you are held hostage by your team`s billionaire owner and pay involuntary taxes to retain your team or build your stadium. Thought this was a site for serious football fans but guess it is just a forum for whiners to show their jealous streak. Enjoy another Packer Superbowl win.

  91. revoltworkout says: Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM

    bigbluefan1 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 9:29 AM
    Funny the Packers would not even exist if not for teams like the Giants giving up the lions share of the TV money to support these small market teams.

    Yeah all you packer backer would not even have a team with Wellington Mara did not take money out of his pocket and put it into the pockets of small town teams.

    So when your getting ready to watch your teams play you should turn and face NY and say thank you Wellington for with out your kindness there would be no football in the flyover states

    ————————————————-

    The Packers may be in a small town but they are a top 10 for team earnings so Wellington Mara’s “kindness” does not impact the Packers.

  92. cleverbob says: Dec 28, 2011 11:21 AM

    Some folks need to look up “Ponzi Scheme” on Wikipedia. Some other folks need to learn up on the particulars about non-profit organizations. It’s possible to be an NPO and still raise tons of cash to go towards capital improvements, the lining of executives’ pockets, or other worthy causes.

  93. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM

    golonger says:
    Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM
    jrmbadger – sorry, it is YOU that is misinformed….there are NO voting rights with these shares!…Get a clue
    ====================================

    Umm…. NO – Get your facts straight before making uneducated comments.

    from page 2 of the offering document on the Packers stock offering web site (cant post the URL – I’ll get blocked)

    “I encourage you to buy shares of stock in the Packers. We need your help. As an owner, you will
    be invited to shareholder meetings and have voting privileges.” Letter from Mark Murphy, President of the Packers.

    From page 10:
    “On each matter submitted to a vote of the shareholders of the Corporation, the holders of outstanding shares of
    Common Stock are entitled to one vote per share. Among other things, shareholders vote annually to elect members
    of the Corporation’s Board of Directors. The Board of Directors consists of 45 members, and the Board is “classified”
    or “staggered” in the sense that the Board is divided into three classes consisting of fifteen members, and at each annual
    meeting shareholders elect the members of a class to serve a three-year term. The Corporation’s Bylaws contain certain
    procedural requirements for shareholders who wish to nominate a candidate for consideration by shareholders.
    A two-thirds vote of all outstanding shares of Common Stock entitled to vote on the proposal is required for approval
    of amendments to the Articles of Incorporation, certain mergers or share exchanges, a sale of all, or substantially all, of
    the Corporation’s assets or a dissolution of the Corporation.”

  94. countyk66ers says: Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM

    I think if other teams were to sell stock it would have to be worth something as they are for profit organizations. They would be true shareholders. Green Bay is a non profit organization. This stock share offering has helped the team survive since the beginning. George Halas even gave the Pack some money to keep them afloat.

  95. snarkzilla says: Dec 28, 2011 11:26 AM

    When your team’s owner threatens to move your team, when your owner sells off the prime talent, when your owner cries that he’s not making enough to renovate and needs tax money, remember that Packers fans are suckers. and won’t ever have to put up with any of that.

  96. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:28 AM

    um – WRONG

    “WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — In the face of strong interest among its fans, the Green Bay Packers are increasing the size of the team’s recently announced stock offering by 30,000 shares, bringing the total up for sale to about 280,000. At a price of $250 as set by the Super Bowl XLV champions, this works out to $70 million. Proceeds will be applied toward a portion of the costs of expanding the team’s Lambeau Field stadium in Wisconsin. It’s the fifth time that the storied NFL franchise has offered stock, although the shares come with none of the voting rights that publicly held companies offer. The Packers’ offering will continue until Feb. 29 or end sooner if the maximum number of shares are sold. No one may buy more than 200 shares.”

  97. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:29 AM

    @golonger – you could have also gone to Wikipedia to find that the Packers stock includes voting rights, but then again why let FACTS cloud your judgment?

    That and if you had any basic knowledge of how a corporation functions, you’d realize that the stockholders vote for the board of directors.

  98. roastbeefsandwich says: Dec 28, 2011 11:31 AM

    Why does everyone flaunt the “hey, at least they’re not taxing people for it like so many other teams.”?

    Did everyone forget that just eleven years ago they passed a referendum to tax Brown County with a sales tax to fund an addition to the stadium? It’s “overwhelming fan base” won with just 53% of the vote.

    Of course the Packers are non profit, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t budget to pay for it without the stock sale. Its just much easier this way.

  99. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM

    The Green Bay Packers issued stock in 1923, 1935, 1950, and 1997. There are about 112,000 shareholders, who have no voting rights and cannot redeem shares for cash. Even though these shares held no intrinsic value, they have become quite valuable as a collectible.

  100. ezerick86 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM

    Wow, if the New York Mets were allowed to do this, all of their problems would be solved and maybe they could have kept Jose Reyes.

  101. shlort says: Dec 28, 2011 11:38 AM

    Why are there people on here complaining about what other people do? If someone wants to buy a certificate to display on their wall, so be it. To those who think there is no benifit of buying the “stock”, think again. There are several things that only a “stockholder” is entitled. If you own “stock” in the Green Bay Packers, you get some perks. The real idiots are the ones complaining about this issue. If you dont like the idea, dont buy any “stock”. If you are a die hard Packers fan and want to support your team, buy a share or two. It goes to show where the team loyalty lies. Oh, and before some of you start calling others “supid”, learn how to spell.

  102. war27 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM

    pack4ever says: Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM

    We’re lucky to be able to do this, Should lead to some improvements at lambeau and some cash to resign/extend guys.

    ———————————-

    You do know that that TV deal the NFL has and shares pays the full salary of teams, right?

  103. grandsonofcoach says: Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM

    For all the stock skeptics out there consider it this way. I’ve been watching the Packers for over 30 years, watching 16+ games per season. At $200 for 1 share (I bought in the previous offering) thats far less than $1 per game of enjoyment including 2 Superbowl victories. Some Vikings fans (for example) shell out far more in 1 day to watch their 3-12 team lose 1 game at the Metrodome. The “investment” is in never having to worry about the team threatening to leave Green Bay and legendary Lambeau Field for LA. And i get my family name forever etched in the Green Bay Packer books as an owner. I need no other perks than that. And if you don’t get that I’m fine with that.

  104. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM

    saying one is going to have a meeting and ask the “owners” of this stock for their opinions on what type of coffee to serve is NOT voting rights!!!

  105. greenandgold13 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:40 AM

    greenandgold13 – no, what makes you different is that you Wisconsin hacks are stupid enough to purchase worthless memorabilia. For all those saying it is just memorabilia, you are kidding yourself. What it is..is a worthless piece of memorabilia….and taking advantage of the fact that many will not realize that it is really worthless….some will actually think the paper means something…it is taking advantage of the moronic for corporate gain, nothing more, nothing less…and there is a reason why the NFL isn’t allowing any other teams to do the same!!!!!

    ———————————————————–

    @golonger, before you start calling others morons, get your facts straight first instead of making yourself look like one. Its very small minded of you to assume that all Packers fans are from WI. I happened to live in Southern Californa, so that’s quite a bit different than WI. Also, it has nothing to do with the Packers taking advantage of their fans for corporate gain. Just look to your team that plays in an inferior stadium to Lambeau, charges more for tickets, food, parking, etc. Many teams have tried in the past to adopt a similar method of selling shares to raise money but were not allowed. The reason the Packers can do it is because they are the only publicly held team who began selling stock in their first few years of existence and have been “grandfathered in”. So anyway, sorry that your team sucks and all the jealousy that is surrounding you this holiday season, complimentary of the Green and Gold!

  106. packerfan1000 says: Dec 28, 2011 11:42 AM

    There’s a sucker born everyday, and the CheeseHeads are at the front of the line….

    ———————–

    Jealous!!!

  107. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:42 AM

    packersweep – another nitwit. The PSL I paid money for has quadrupled in value and I CAN sell it and make a profit…it actually has intrinsic value…..LOL…..if you call that “holding hostage” over this ponzi scheme, you are absolutely clueless!

  108. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM

    I’m not sure where I stand on this. I think, in the end, I don’t really care. However, can’t they call it something other than “stock”…? It’s essentially a voluntary tax.

    The thing I find absurd, though, is the handling fee. What’s the $25 for?

  109. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM

    clintonportisheadd – no, they all do NOT know what they are getting as evidenced right HERE!

  110. philtration says: Dec 28, 2011 11:56 AM

    revoltworkout says: Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM

    The Packers may be in a small town but they are a top 10 for team earnings so Wellington Mara’s “kindness” does not impact the Packers.
    ====================================

    If the Packers are a top 10 earning team then why are you buying this junk and why are you not being mailed a check from these great earnings?

  111. jkaldur says: Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM

    Call it what it is….memorabilia, stock as a fancy name for selling the “Packer’s Poster” to generate more interest. I am not a Packer fan, and I purchased one because it is unique item to have as a football fan. I realize there is no real value, and will not gain value beyond $0 – is it any different than buying a $250 – $400 NFL Team jersey (not autographed)?….no.

  112. buzzardpointlookout says: Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM

    I really can’t believe the venom being spewed at Packers fans here. I HATE the Pack because they are so damned good. I hate them because they are on their second once in a generation QB in a row. I hate them because they have been beating the crap out of my Lions for a couple decades.

    Why the hell do you rocket scientists give two poops about how other people spend their cash in support of their favotite team? It is no different than buying “authentic” jerseys, hats, posters, or any other knick-knack sold at the stadium gift shop.

  113. shlort says: Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM

    It is hilarious to see how hostile people are getting over this. People aggrevated over something that is none of their business. The people buying these certificates know exactly what they are getting. It is no different than buying any other NFL merchandise. A bunch of you probably spend 250 bucks a month at the bar. Maybe you blew 250 bucks on video games. What is it to anyone what someone else spends their money on? It isnt trickery or a scam. The Packers fully disclose the facts about the certificates and their value.

  114. 13xworldchamps says: Dec 28, 2011 12:02 PM

    When will the Haters realize the unique situation of the Green Bay Packers……

    During the lock out negotiations the players union said all they wanted was to see the owners books…..see the bonuses, vacations, vacation homes, yachts and everything else these owners buy and dish out to their family with the revenues generated by stadiums subsidized by tax payers

    The owners would not oblige

    The Packers are a non for profit organization and have their books open to the public……no owner to “skim” off the top. All money generated by Lambeau Field and the Packers goes 100% back in to football operations and or stadium improvements.

    Yes we have paid $250.oo for a piece of paper that ensures our team stay’s in Green Bay and remains competitive both revenue wise and on the field.

    The true Packer fans have a unique relationship that is experienced by no other team in sports

    we are truly America’s team, we are the defending superbowl champs, we have the best GM, coach and player in the league.

  115. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM

    um – WRONG

    “WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — In the face of strong interest among its fans, the Green Bay Packers are increasing the size of the team’s recently announced stock offering by 30,000 shares, bringing the total up for sale to about 280,000. At a price of $250 as set by the Super Bowl XLV champions, this works out to $70 million. Proceeds will be applied toward a portion of the costs of expanding the team’s Lambeau Field stadium in Wisconsin. It’s the fifth time that the storied NFL franchise has offered stock, although the shares come with none of the voting rights that publicly held companies offer. The Packers’ offering will continue until Feb. 29 or end sooner if the maximum number of shares are sold. No one may buy more than 200 shares.”

    =================================
    Go to packersowner (dot com) and look at the legal offering agreement (pages 2 and 10) and you’ll see that shares have voting rights.

    Just admit you were wrong golonger and move on.

  116. cliffcla says: Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM

    My only issue with this is that it is exclusive to the Packers. I feel that all teams should be able to explore as many areas of revenue as possible.

  117. mb1265 says: Dec 28, 2011 12:18 PM

    golonger –

    You are correct that the voting rights are not like you’d get with a NYSE or NASDAQ company, but you are wrong in stating that their are no voting rights.

    Read the prospectus on the Packers website and you’ll see that their are voting right, although the impact of that vote is not impactful.

    I know it will hurt you ego to admit it, but it’s in black and white for the world to read.

  118. sevensixtwonato says: Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM

    irishjugalo says:
    Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM
    I guess the math is so simple that you couldn’t get it right. Those figures work out to $7 million, you frickin bonehead
    ————————————————–

    Wait….what?

  119. war27 says: Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM

    13xworldchamps says: Dec 28, 2011 12:02 PM

    All money generated by Lambeau Field and the Packers goes 100% back in to football operations and or stadium improvements.

    —————————-

    There has to be some more money going somewhere, lining someones pocket. With revenue sharing, TV deals and everything else the packers and every team in the NFL is making some huge cash.

    They would have a stadium 3 times the size of the new Cowboys stadium and not have to sell off “ownership” of the team if this was true. A lot of money is going somewhere.

  120. philtration says: Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM

    countyk66ers says: Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM

    I think if other teams were to sell stock it would have to be worth something as they are for profit organizations. They would be true shareholders. Green Bay is a non profit organization. This stock share offering has helped the team survive since the beginning. George Halas even gave the Pack some money to keep them afloat.
    ====================================

    Halas also helped raise money for the construction of Lambeau.
    Do you think the Packers would ever do the same for another NFL team?

    Instead their fans rant about how great they believe they are while ignoring the fact that someone else helped them out several times.

    Stop pretending that your purchase of this fake stock is why you even have a team.

  121. bcar1023 says: Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM

    As a Lions fan, I hate the fudge Packers and hope that Suh stomps on a few more on Sunday but will hand it to the organization and fans on this one. No one is buying the “stock” looking for financial return. It’s a piece of memorabilia and a way to support your team. As an organization, Green Bay does it right. If you want to support the team, give them the money and it goes towards the stadium. If you don’t, leave it at home. I’ve been dumping money into the Lions for nearly 40 years just to have WCF flip me the bird and run the greatest running back of all time into retirement. We’re getting back into the game but I would’ve bought 10 shares if it would’ve gotten rid of WCF 10 years ago. Way to go Pack. Now make sure you play Karen Rodgers on Sunday so Suh can take his head off. We’ll be seeing you in the playoffs.

  122. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 12:31 PM

    “Why are there people on here complaining about what other people do? If someone wants to buy a certificate to display on their wall, so be it.”

    Sure, that is absolutely correct…just don’t call it a stock. Gee, why don’t I go out and start a company, issue stock, and when someone calls the number to buy stock, put on the message “own a piece of ABC company” but in reality, the stock gives me NO OWNERSHIP. Is that OK?????No, it is is not.

    ..and I can guarantee you, the SEC and regulators will be looking at this with some scrutiny.

  123. The Prophet says: Dec 28, 2011 12:32 PM

    Funny how the Packers can rake in over $70m for selling paper yet I’m still paying a 1/2 percent sales tax to the Packers. Someone needs to fix this.

  124. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 12:35 PM

    jrmbadger – stockholders have voting rights when they are TRUE owners of STOCK….not a worthless piece of paper….I could issue a piece of paper and say one has voting rights but voting for WHAT?……funny the customer service person cannot even tell you!…why…IT ISNT STOCK. It could say it gives me the ability to fly, still doesnt mean anything!!!!!!LOL

  125. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM

    mb1265 – voting rights for WHAT?????….if one really isnt an owner, what is one voting on. And moron, just because something SAYS something doesnt mean anything….these arent truly regulated stocks.,…they can say anything they want.

  126. contra74 says: Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM

    A few comments:

    First – To those who make this argument -*** “grandsonofcoach says:
    The “investment” is in never having to worry about the team threatening to leave Green Bay and legendary Lambeau Field for LA.”***

    The Packers have it in their charter that they will NEVER leave so your “investment” is not keeping them there. You really think your $250 is the pivotal point on whether or not they will afford to keep the lights on? Its like claiming your prayers are what keeps the color red from changing to another color.

    Second – to those who say other fans are jealous…jealous of what? I’ve got $250 in my pocket thats going to buy a few tanks of gas for me. Your $250 waws taken in exchange for…wait for it…nothing.

  127. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM

    Why does golonger get to say whatever he wants and call everybody names?

  128. packersweep says: Dec 28, 2011 12:57 PM

    bcar1023 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM
    As a Lions fan, I hate the fudge Packers ……….Now make sure you play Karen Rodgers ………………

    Always easy to recognize the fans of teams that are perennial losers from their childish name calling. Guess if it makes you feel like more of a man, more power to you. You are right about seeing the Packers in the playoffs though. When the Lions are one and done you will be seeing the Packers in the playoffs and the Superbowl.

  129. bobnelsonjr says: Dec 28, 2011 12:59 PM

    Let’s clear up some misconceptions:

    1) I and my descendants have voting rights in the Packers forever. The most important vote is for the board of directors.
    Fans have no voice in their team at all.

    2) The President of the Packers, the General Manager, and other team officials must report to me in person annually on how they handled the stockholders investment.

    3) Stockholders have certain perks and privledges at the Packers Hall of Fame, and at the Packrs Pro Shop (highest sales in he NFL).

    4) The rules regarding limited ownerships of shares keeps any one person from having too much voting power.

    5) As an owner of nonpofit corporation you don’t want dividends so the money can be reinvested into the corporation.

    6) By buying stock the team will never relocate.

    7) The stock sale is good for all the other franchise owners because less money is borrowed from the League (other owners) for capital projects.

    8) With the sale of stock, there is no “corporate welfare.” It is good corporate citizenship.

    9) The Packers are currently are 11th in the league in revenue. As a high revenue team, they pay into the NFL’s Reserve Fund and do not take money from it.

    10) This expansion will boost the capacity of Lambeau Field to over 80,000 (4th or 5th largest in NFL) with a waitng list of nearly 100,000 for season tickets. They should move up to 5th in NFL revenue.

    Read the 9/12/2011 issue of Forbes magazine article “Packers Financial Juggernaut”

  130. blaz0037 says: Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM

    “if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I’ve got spare time.”

    Tommy Boy-

  131. toolkien says: Dec 28, 2011 1:07 PM

    Why is a VOLUNTARY donation to a non-profit recreational club so stupid? No one is being coerced of forced to buy the stock, and it helps pay for the facilities that keeps the Packers generating revenue and keep them a viable operation. And we don’t have to deal with a crypt keeper owner with his head up his _ _ _. There have been times the executive committee has meddled too much at times, but with the model the last 20+ years, the Packers have the ideal situation. As long as people know what they’re buying there’s no problem.

  132. justaintrightisit says: Dec 28, 2011 1:24 PM

    Again, as I posted in the previous story. This is just a way for Packer fans to help support there team with the renovations at the stadium WITHOUT an extra tax put on the people that are not able or the ones that don’t want to pay. People are buying this of their own choice and not being forced to buy it so why is everyone so upset that people spend money on something they want. I am quite sure if other teams made the same offering a huge number of there fans would be lining up to buy it.

  133. mb1265 says: Dec 28, 2011 1:30 PM

    golonger –

    Did you read the Offering Document on the Packer’s website or are you simply shooting your mouth off again?

    You are quick to call people morons, but you might want to look in the mirror to find one.

    Your comment “..and I can guarantee you, the SEC and regulators will be looking at this with some scrutiny” shows your ignorance. There’s this thing called the internet….do some research and you will see that the SEC had to approve the stock sale before it took place. I’ll give you a hint….Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel…dateline October 8, 2011.

    Just because you say something does not make it true. You can continue to spew all the venom you want, but the simple fact is that you are incorrect in your assumptions.

    I new that proving you incorrect would bruise your ego – you proved me point.

  134. mb1265 says: Dec 28, 2011 1:36 PM

    Hey golonger –

    You’ll notice typos in my last sentence. It should read “I knew that proving you incorrect would bruise your ego – you proved my point”

    Sincerely,
    moron

  135. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 1:45 PM

    golonger says:
    Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM
    mb1265 – voting rights for WHAT?????….if one really isnt an owner, what is one voting on. And moron, just because something SAYS something doesnt mean anything….these arent truly regulated stocks.,…they can say anything they want.
    ———————————————–
    Again, if you’d read the offering document or my post above where I directly quote it, you’d realize that we get to vote on the board of directors. The board of directors manages and runs the affairs of the corporation (e.g., they are the boss). That includes hiring and firing the President (right now that’s Mike Murphy). The President hires the GM (Ted Thompson) who hires the Coach (Mike McCarthy).

    The offering document is a legal document. Just like the articles of incorporation, which specify that the Board is elected by the shareholders.

    Just stop posting – you’re just digging yourself deeper.

  136. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 1:47 PM

    Contra,
    Ugh… I don’t believe my $250 will save the team or whatever you want to call it. It’s a collective effort that makes the difference. Think of it in terms of your Viking “sellouts”. It takes a collective effort of Viking fans, local corporations, and the tv station broadcasting the game to buy the leftover tickets to avoid a blackout. Now, obviously my $250 is a small drop in the bucket, but when you have 280,000 drops, that comes out to around $70 million. More than half of the cost of the planned expansion to lambeau field which won’t cost the taxpayer a dime unlike the the debacle that’s more than likely about to take place in Minnesota (minnesota could screw up a wet dream).

  137. therealjcannon says: Dec 28, 2011 1:48 PM

    I was a long suffering Vikings fan and I bought 2 Shares.

    I can now say I am an NFL Owner. The Money spent is worth the bragging rights alone, not to mention a cool momento, a letter from Mark Murphy stating we are Owners, voting rights, and an invitation to the annual Shareholders meeting at Lambeau (Can’t Wait!!)

    Now that I’ve bought into the Packers Ive found myself rooting for the same team I hated for years and Vikings loses now mean nothing to me. When you invest in something you become invested in it. That may be why Packers fans are the best in the league.

    MY TEAM (We Shareholders can say that, you can’t) is the Packers. GO PACK GO

  138. 13xworldchamps says: Dec 28, 2011 1:57 PM

    Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM

    13xworldchamps says: Dec 28, 2011 12:02 PM

    All money generated by Lambeau Field and the Packers goes 100% back in to football operations and or stadium improvements.

    —————————-

    There has to be some more money going somewhere, lining someones pocket. With revenue sharing, TV deals and everything else the packers and every team in the NFL is making some huge cash.

    They would have a stadium 3 times the size of the new Cowboys stadium and not have to sell off “ownership” of the team if this was true. A lot of money is going somewhere.
    ———————————————————-

    War27,

    You are wrong on this, the Packers Revenue from the stock sale can only be used for stadium improvements, The revenue from ticket sales, vendors, parking, revenue sharing pay for the operating expenses of the football team including slaries of players, coaches and office personal

  139. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 2:01 PM

    …the offering document is as worthless as the “stock is……..meaningless!

  140. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 2:04 PM

    “The “investment” is in never having to worry about the team threatening to leave Green Bay and legendary Lambeau Field for LA.”

    ..you just keep thinking that….if the Browns and the Colts can move…ANY team can move….your worthless “stock” wouldn’t stop a thing…sorry!

  141. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 2:06 PM

    “The Packers are currently are 11th in the league in revenue. As a high revenue team, they pay into the NFL’s Reserve Fund and do not take money from it. ”

    Gee…how can this be the case if the Packers are a non-profit???? LOL

  142. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 2:09 PM

    13xworldchamps – you are financially clueless!

  143. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM

    therealjcannon – the Vikings are better off without you!

  144. contra74 says: Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 1:47 PM
    Contra,
    Ugh… I don’t believe my $250 will save the team or whatever you want to call it. It’s a collective effort that makes the difference. Think of it in terms of your Viking “sellouts”. It takes a collective effort of Viking fans, local corporations, and the tv station broadcasting the game to buy the leftover tickets to avoid a blackout. Now, obviously my $250 is a small drop in the bucket, but when you have 280,000 drops, that comes out to around $70 million. More than half of the cost of the planned expansion to lambeau field which won’t cost the taxpayer a dime unlike the the debacle that’s more than likely about to take place in Minnesota (minnesota could screw up a wet dream).
    ——
    Quit trying to defend yourself jr. Just like I said in the other thread – a sellout is a sellout much like a win is a win regardless of how much help you got from the refs…right?

  145. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 2:35 PM

    contra74 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM
    johnnyb216 says:
    Dec 28, 2011 1:47 PM
    Contra,
    Ugh… I don’t believe my $250 will save the team or whatever you want to call it. It’s a collective effort that makes the difference. Think of it in terms of your Viking “sellouts”. It takes a collective effort of Viking fans, local corporations, and the tv station broadcasting the game to buy the leftover tickets to avoid a blackout. Now, obviously my $250 is a small drop in the bucket, but when you have 280,000 drops, that comes out to around $70 million. More than half of the cost of the planned expansion to lambeau field which won’t cost the taxpayer a dime unlike the the debacle that’s more than likely about to take place in Minnesota (minnesota could screw up a wet dream).
    ——
    Quit trying to defend yourself jr. Just like I said in the other thread – a sellout is a sellout much like a win is a win regardless of how much help you got from the refs…right?

    ———————–

    And just as I responded in the other thread, I didnt think there could be anything more pathetic than your football team, but your responses have come pretty close. Time to retire, senior. Your washed up just like your quarterback was last year.

  146. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 3:00 PM

    Quick experiment:

    Golonger,
    The sky is blue.

  147. war27 says: Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM

    13xworldchamps says: Dec 28, 2011 1:57 PM

    War27,

    You are wrong on this, the Packers Revenue from the stock sale can only be used for stadium improvements, The revenue from ticket sales, vendors, parking, revenue sharing pay for the operating expenses of the football team including slaries of players, coaches and office personal

    ———————

    That is great, where is the rest of the money they’ve made for years?

    The TV deal is worth 125 million to each team in the league. The salary cap is 120 million. It’s safe to say that the majority of all player contracts are handled already for the most part on just what the team will bring on from the TV deal.. In 2014 that number may almost double.

  148. deconjonesbitchslap says: Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM

    i can print one of these out on my computer and it will have just as much value as the one’s packer fans pay for.

  149. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM

    golonger says:
    Dec 28, 2011 2:06 PM
    “The Packers are currently are 11th in the league in revenue. As a high revenue team, they pay into the NFL’s Reserve Fund and do not take money from it. ”

    Gee…how can this be the case if the Packers are a non-profit???? LOL
    ===================================

    Research the difference between revenue and profit.

  150. beedubyatoo says: Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM

    Packer fans would rather have a worthless $250 share of Packer stock than a worthless autographed #4 Favre jersey for $500.

  151. blaz0037 says: Dec 28, 2011 3:30 PM

    Why is a VOLUNTARY donation to a non-profit recreational club so stupid? No one is being coerced of forced to buy the stock, and it helps pay for the facilities that keeps the Packers generating revenue and keep them a viable operation. And we don’t have to deal with a crypt keeper owner with his head up his _ _ _. There have been times the executive committee has meddled too much at times, but with the model the last 20+ years, the Packers have the ideal situation. As long as people know what they’re buying there’s no problem.

    —————————————–

    Its not stupid of the Packers to offer it, its stupid for the Fans to buy it. Its that simple.

  152. ruvelligwebuike says: Dec 28, 2011 3:49 PM

    I attended the ’09 Shareholder’s meeting.

    After a short intro, Mark Murphy strolled to the podium to discuss the team’s finances from ’08, and the division of revenue. ’08 was quite a year of turmoil, if you remember. Murphy explained that the Packers had a net profit of around $4.6M, which was a decline from the $10M or so from the year before. He explained that not making the playoffs and a poor return on investments compared to previous years (’08 stock collapse) had hurt the team financially. He then explained that frankly, the loss of Brett Favre had hurt the team in the short term due to the amount of memorabilia that they sold and took a percentage of. He maintained that they were still in the top 10 in the league that year, and they would continue to donate to the following charities, divide the revenue based on the graphs and charts he displayed and what not.

    Ted Thompson was next up, to a mixed crowd. A lot of people weren’t happy with the decisions he had made, but he maintained his opinion that they were moving in the right direction for the future, explained the depth chart, and the type of team he and McCarthy had hoped to create.

    We went out for dinner at a really nice spot in Suamico that night, and had a few beers later at the downtown bars with about 1000 other shareholders and talked ball. The next day we chartered a musky guide on Green Bay and had a hell of a time. Pretty good couple of days.

  153. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 3:50 PM

    jrmbadger – why dont you research how the difference is derived!….or do I need to spell that out for you as well.

  154. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 3:51 PM

    johnnyb216 – back at ya… 1 + 1 = ?

  155. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 4:00 PM

    “Its not stupid of the Packers to offer it, its stupid for the Fans to buy it. Its that simple.”

    Exactly….its flat out despicable they would offer such a ridiculous piece of garbage….but, these idiot fans buy it hook, line and sinker….ignorance is bliss i guess! LOL

  156. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM

    @golonger

    Revenue is the total income a company receives. It is the total of all sales and other income.

    Profit is a firm’s total revenues less its total costs.

    Therefore, its entirely possible to have revenue yet be a non-profit – you donate the excess revenues after costs (or reinvest it).

    your comment was that because the Packers were a top-ten revenue team that they couldn’t be non-profit. Which again, is proven false.

  157. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM

    “Murphy explained that the Packers had a net profit of around $4.6M, which was a decline from the $10M or so from the year before.”

    Gee…so much for the ridiculous notion of the fudge-Packers being a non-profit!

  158. mb1265 says: Dec 28, 2011 4:21 PM

    golonger

    You continue to reinforce my point. Instead of admitting that much of the information you provide here is incorrect, you attempt to deflect the obvious. Fortunately, most people on this board are aware that you are a person frustrated with the Green Bay Packers and their fans. You no doubt have some deep seeded hatred, but your lack of knowledge of the situation makes your responses look pathetic.

    I knew your ego would be too big to handle a legitmate debate.

    Time for me to go now, and time for you to repsond by calling me a moran and posting more inaccurate information.

  159. stellarperformance says: Dec 28, 2011 4:25 PM

    Yeah, this stock sale is so stupid. The fans are voluntarily assisting with the tax free construction of the best venue, for the best team, the best quarterback, the best coach, the best general manager, the best fans, etc., etc., etc. The morons are the commentators on this site that will never come close to enjoying what we have……ever. Yeah, I feel like a total loser. I’ll feel even worse after “we” win it all….again.

  160. stellarperformance says: Dec 28, 2011 4:37 PM

    When it comes to stadium construction and taxation, everybody always screams “not me, don’t tax me, make the billionaires pay for it themselves. The people paying should be the ones that want it…not everybody else.”

    Duh! What do you think we’re doing? We’re getting our balls busted for being the most supportive fan base of any professional sporting venue in the WORLD? Really?

    You’re going to try to convince me that every team in the league wouldn’t love the have a fan base like this? They would do it faster than a Kardashian running to the sound of a camera clicking.

    If you think we don’t know what we’re doing, you must have just fallen off the turnip truck. Us? We’re laughing all the way to Indianapolis.

  161. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 4:53 PM

    jrmbadger – again, you know nothing. I will post this quote again, maybe one day, it will sink in.

    “Murphy explained that the Packers had a net profit of around $4.6M, which was a decline from the $10M or so from the year before.”

    ..to make things a little more simple for you……..THEY HAD A PROFIT tool!!!!!!!!

  162. ruvelligwebuike says: Dec 28, 2011 4:54 PM

    “Murphy explained that the Packers had a net profit of around $4.6M, which was a decline from the $10M or so from the year before.”

    Gee…so much for the ridiculous notion of the fudge-Packers being a non-profit!
    ——————–

    They don’t have an owner that reaps the profits for himself. They allot that money to a fund, basically a “rainy day” savings account, and determine amongst the BOD (who are elected by the shareholders) when and where those funds should be allocated. Most of it goes to charitable contributions.

    Do you even know what a non-profit is? Come at me with some real talk. What’s your team up to these days?

  163. jrmbadger says: Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM

    “golonger says:
    Dec 28, 2011 4:53 PM
    jrmbadger – again, you know nothing. I will post this quote again, maybe one day, it will sink in.

    “Murphy explained that the Packers had a net profit of around $4.6M, which was a decline from the $10M or so from the year before.”

    ..to make things a little more simple for you……..THEY HAD A PROFIT tool!!!!!!!!”

    A non-profit may earn money from their operations, but instead of distributing that money to owners or shareholders, they reinvest it in their company or donate it to charity. As ruvelligwebuike noted the Packers put it in a rainy day fund, donate it to charity, or the like. That doesn’t change their non profit status.

    Terms like “profit” and “revenue” are used loosely and often interchangeably although they are not. Rest assured, any money the Packers made (i.e., revenues minus expenses) was donated to charity or reinvested in the team.

    You can pick nits all you want at how the terms were used by ruvelligwebuike (or Murphy if that is exactly what he said), but that won’t change the fact that the Pack is non-profit.

  164. johnnyb216 says: Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM

    Golonger,
    Please stop. This is like driving by a really bad car wreck. It’s ugly, and sad, but you still have to look.

  165. mediasloppy says: Dec 28, 2011 5:54 PM

    Man, if I had one of these I’d be mad knowing they are handing them out like candy these days.

  166. thejuddstir says: Dec 28, 2011 6:16 PM

    Think about this posters. If you think the act of giving money for a worthless piece of paper is stupid, you’re not ever going to be able to “explain” this foolishness to the person either. how does the saying go, “stupid is as stupid does”!!

  167. ruvelligwebuike says: Dec 28, 2011 6:31 PM

    thejuddstir, you haven’t jumped off of the 35W bridge yet, to the delight of the world? Please explain your decision.

  168. asublimeday says: Dec 28, 2011 6:36 PM

    Haha, packers fans are this stupid?

  169. asublimeday says: Dec 28, 2011 6:38 PM

    If I were a real shareholder (even though that really means nothing), this would bug me. Me: “hey, I’m a shareholder!” guy with fake shares: “me too!”

  170. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 8:13 PM

    jrmbadger – and you, my friend, can argue the point all you want….if your CEO stands up there and says, “we made a profit”….than there was a profit. What you do with it after the fact is meaningless. THE PACKERS HAD A PROFIT…….if you don’t want to own up to it….go ahead. BUT IT IS A FACT. and if you are SO DENSE to actual think that one franchise out of 32 teams….1/32 of one of the biggest money-making ventures in the world…is NOT showing a profit, you are one of the most dense human beings alive…..and definitely shows why you are one of the stupid ones to buy this stock..LOL

  171. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 8:15 PM

    johnnyb216 – you are exactly right…it is a car wreak..I didn’t realize Packer fans were this blatantly stupid and incompetent….it is SAD!!!

  172. cleverbob says: Dec 28, 2011 9:06 PM

    So does increasing compensation for the Gm, President, etc. fall under “reinvesting”?

  173. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 9:09 PM

    ruvelligwebuike – yes moron…i know EXACTLY what a non-profit is:

    Can a nonprofit make a profit?

    Operating any organization at a deficit or without a sufficient “rainy day” fund is not good business. In order to maintain the viability of any organization, it is important to operate with some “net revenue” at the end of a year. What distinguishes nonprofits is not whether they can make a profit, but what happens to profits. Nonprofits are prohibited from distributing profits in the same way for-profit corporations can. All revenue must be earmarked for the organization’s mission.

    The whole point is….the one’s that are screwed are the “shareholders”….i.e. YOU the idiot fans….by being a non-profit, they DONT have to distribute the profits….YOU lose!!!!!

    So, bottom-line…..they CAN and DO have a profit….that THEY keep….who gets screwed?…….THE FANS….LOL

  174. shsch says: Dec 28, 2011 9:49 PM

    It’s amazing to me why so many people should care how somebody else spends $250. I guess because the item being sold is called “stock”, it’s perceived as an investment when actually it’s more like a donation in support of the Packers. I would bet that a lot of the respondents have at some time purchased real stock and lost more than $250; and in fact I’m sure some have seen their stock become worthless. Do they deserve to be called “stupid” or “incompetent”? I’m also sure that there are quite a few respondents who have purchased items costing over $250 who wonder later why they spent the money in the first place. I’m sure those who buy shares understand their purchase will just get them an official piece of paper that has very little tangible value, but it’s one that they can display proudly as a symbol of Packerdom support which makes them feel good and goes beyond just shouting “Go Pack.”

    If you truly want something to rag about, rag about the Yankees who seem to be able to afford almost any player they want. I guess you should call the Yankees “stupid” since all the millions they’ve spent has brought them only one World Series victory in the last 10 years. And then there’s the new Yankee stadium that was partially financed by NYC and state revenues, I guess the whole state’s stupid as well!!

  175. shsch says: Dec 28, 2011 10:07 PM

    I forgot to add, but wasn’t it our ex-president G Bush Jr. who made a tidy sum investing with cronies in the Texas Rangers back in 1989 or so? Certainly the rich got richer, but how did this help the fans? Actually thinking about it, there maybe should be an “Occupy Stadium” movement as these architectural structures are in most cases a symbol of the 1% supported by the 99%.

  176. hodag54501 says: Dec 28, 2011 10:13 PM

    Please, goshorter, er, longer, keep writing. Since you can’t figure it out, let me put it into sandbox terms.
    The people who put the money up know they won’t get anything back financially. They are willing to do this. Why? Because it helps keep competitive a professional football team in Wisconsin. The entire population of the state is about 2/3rds of the city of New York.
    What all the fans get back is the pleasure of seeing the Packers continue to win championships, something they have done since 1921. They willingly donate a fairly small sum to see their team thrive.
    We are not stupid. This system has worked for nearly 100 years. The Packers recently were named America’s Team. Dallas came in second.
    So when you try to win over the folks with your inane statements, it’s a bit, as someone else said, like a train wreck. “Non-profit status” is an IRS designation. I work for a non-profit. People also give our business money for the joy of supporting what we do. They don’t get any financial value in return. I understand it. So do others. Apparently you don’t. How sad. Good night.

  177. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 10:51 PM

    “It’s amazing to me why so many people should care how somebody else spends $250.”

    That’s the point, we don’t….just don’t come back saying how great an idea is….admit that you are paying $275 for a worthless piece of paper and be done with it!

  178. golonger says: Dec 28, 2011 11:00 PM

    “The Packers recently were named America’s Team. Dallas came in second.
    So when you try to win over the folks with your inane statements, it’s a bit, as someone else said, like a train wreck. “Non-profit status” is an IRS designation. I work for a non-profit. People also give our business money for the joy of supporting what we do. They don’t get any financial value in return. I understand it. So do others. Apparently you don’t. How sad. ”

    1) The Packers are in no way, shape or form America’s team…if you want to think so….go ahead.
    2) The fact that they are putting up $275 for no financial reward is part of the point, stupid….the problem is the other people acting like they are somehow an “owner”….they arent
    3) Apparently YOU have no clue…people that contribute to a true non-profit get a write off….in this case they don’t even get that……the fans lose (paying for nothing more than a donation which one cannot even get a deduction for)….the packers win (call themselves a non-profit yet donations aren’t tax exempt and they get to keep all the profits for themselves)…LOL…only the idiot fans in here would think that is a great thing….you have been hoodwinked…are being hoodwinked..and are still too stupid to realize it……..LOL…..LOL

  179. johnnyb216 says: Dec 29, 2011 1:31 AM

    Golonger,
    Why do you end every post with LOL? Please don’t take this the wrong way, but are you really a 12 year old girl? I only ask because those are the kind of people that throw around emasculine phrases like that. This is a serious question. Not meant to be an insult. I will just assume until I hear back from you.

  180. thedisbackindtown says: Dec 29, 2011 9:11 AM

    I see people on here saying that the certificate is a piece of memorabilia…but its not. It is not a collectable item. When you have an item that over a million other people have the same exact item. It is worthless. Not to mention its real value its literally worthless. Its brilliant. I am not sure how they can legally do this…but its brilliant. I just thought it should be said in NO WAY is this certificate a piece of memorabilia. It retains no value so it can not really be collectable. I am pretty sure a unused roll of toilet paper retains more value that this piece of paper.

  181. thedisbackindtown says: Dec 29, 2011 9:14 AM

    I also think its hilarious that people really believe if they do this it will keep the Packers in Wisconsin. Honestly?! Do you really believe they are going anywhere? Just have to shake your head in disbelieve, but you can’t fix stupid.

  182. buzzardpointlookout says: Dec 29, 2011 9:29 AM

    I have to ask the site’s administrators a question: Why are about half of my posts taken down? This golonger dude gets to shoot off his thumbs calling folks “stupid”, or “moron” <—particularly offensive, "idiot", etc. I have not used such language nor have I ever been so blindly contentious. Yet most of my posts are yanked within minutes.

    Is being a complete jerk a requirement on this site?

    Just sayin'.

  183. comeonnowguys says: Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM

    I’ve got no problem with people blowing $250 on memorabilia. People spend that much on jerseys, and they wear out.

    It’s the whole “Look, Ma, I’m an owner!” thing that I just find ridiculous.

    This “stock” setup is basically a fan club, with the “stock” certificate serving as a giant membership card. Which, again, is perfectly fine, it’s not the silliest thing anyone’s ever spent money on.

    But it’s not actually stock. It’s not a share of ownership the Green Bay Packers.

    Does the “ownership” crowd think they are royalty when they get a cardboard crown from Burger King?

  184. buzzardpointlookout says: Dec 29, 2011 9:35 AM

    Or is a modicum of intelligence against the rules?

  185. comeonnowguys says: Dec 29, 2011 9:38 AM

    “The Packers recently were named America’s Team. Dallas came in second.”

    It amazes me that people will try so hard for a label that nowadays is uttered as much–if not more–in derision and sarcasm as it is used genuinely.

    And fail. Sorry, bub, Dallas is stuck with it.

  186. therealjcannon says: Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM

    Like this comment if you are a Green Bay Packers Owner and Shareholder.

  187. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM

    buzzardpointlookout – I don’t think you make it past the IQ monitor..sorry!…LOL

  188. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM

    johnnyb216 – I use LOL because the comments in here are ridiculously hilarious. Judging by your comments, I am assuming you are a student on lunch break. How is fourth grade working out for you…L…O…..L!

  189. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM

    comeonnowguys – good point. All this is is a fan club under the guise of “owning stock” and “voting rights”…..be straight up with your fans, call it what it is….stop lying to them and making them look like fools!

  190. packmanfan says: Dec 29, 2011 4:24 PM

    I’m a Packers fan but not to the point of throwing my money at this.
    I may as well just flush $275 down the toilet.
    I would buy a stock if there were some free perks or incentive involved. Apparently the only things that shareholders, I mean, donors get are voting rights and merchandise that is available only to them.
    However, the gear ain’t free and it probably costs the same as other NFL junk. Something that costs 10x than the cost of materials made in an overseas slave labor sweatshop.

  191. hodag54501 says: Dec 29, 2011 4:51 PM

    1)I read the survey about America’s team on the ESPN website. It came from ESPN Dallas. Google Packers America’s team. A group called Public Policy Polling did the survey. Sorry to debunk your alleged debunking.
    2)I tried to explain about the Packers corporate setup. Goshorter, it’s true what you say, but like a person with a short grasp on the facts you left off that there are many catagories of not-for-profit organizations. The Packers catagory doesn’t allow for tax deductions, but the word “true” is inaccurate(shocking) since the Packers are a legally recognized not-for-profit corporation. If they fold, all of their assets go to a local vets group. The Packers website can explain it to you.
    3)Disbackintown: former Packers President Bob Harlan said without revenue sharing, the Packers corporate status and the draft as it’s structured, Green Bay would fail to exist as a franchise within a few years. True free agency and no media revenue sharing would enable the Jerry Jones’ and Daniel Snyder’s to buy all the top talent. Given the Packers small market media designation, their media revenues would be miniscule.
    This has been well known to most thinking fans since the advent of TV as an NFL revenue source. Sorry you missed it.
    Have a nice day unless you made other plans.

  192. mb1265 says: Dec 29, 2011 5:12 PM

    hodag54501 –

    I realized golonger does not have the mental capacity to understand another person’s point of view, so I’ve quit trying.

    He simply cannot accept the fact that somebody other than him can have a position other than his, and he defends himself by tossing insults and name calling. He he can’t change his position after making so many pointless remarks on this topic.

    He’s simply a delusional punk who claims to own a PSL, and he’s the kind of person who hides behind a claim without anything to support it, while bashing others.

    He’s a class act.

  193. packersownerandshareholder says: Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM

    If you think people getting highly upset and irritated over how other people spend their hard earned money is ridiculous, then like this comment.

  194. packersownerandshareholder says: Dec 29, 2011 5:53 PM

    If you think golonger is a tool and or a douche bag then like this comment.

  195. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 10:02 PM

    If you think Packer fans are total morons, financially clueless, and are barely considered true life forms, like this comment! LOL…especially packersownerandshareholder who always seems to need reassurance on his moronic postings…LOL

  196. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 10:04 PM

    packersownerandshareholder – off course, you DONT GET IT. I have no problem with someone flushing their money down the toilet….just dont come back an argue what a good deed it is, how the toilet has no interest in making money, or how an apple is an apple when it is really an orange…translation – idiots!!!!

  197. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 10:09 PM

    hodag54501….

    1) I dont care who did the polling…..it doesnt mean anything. If you want to rest your assertion on one lousy poll……you really are an idiot…I could create and issue a poll that would name MANY teams as Americas team….anyway…who cares…
    2) I totally understand their set-up moron….the bottom line is…the fans get screwed..LOL
    3) former Packers President Bob Harlan said without revenue sharing, the Packers corporate status and the draft as it’s structured, Green Bay would fail to exist as a franchise within a few years – good, you better hope things dont change and the PaAckers survive..LOL

  198. golonger says: Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM

    hodag54501 = too much of a nitwit to even understand what a fact IS much less debate one. An incorrect position is still wrong….no matter how long you sit in the dark with your hands over your eyes trying to wish it would change.

  199. mb1265 says: Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM

    Hi Guys,

    Just for fun, let’s pretend that our little buddy actually does have a PSL as he recently stated that …”The PSL I paid money for has quadrupled in value and I CAN sell it and make a profit.”

    If that’s the case, there are only 14 teams that he could possibly be a fan of. The two New York teams just recently issued their PSLs so that brings the number down to 12: Baltimore, Carolina, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Seattle, St Louis and Tennessee.

    With the exception of Chicago, Dallas and Pittsburgh, none of the others have any history of success. If golonger is a fan of one of those teams, he’s more delusional than I originally thought.

    This leads to two scenrios:

    1) He’s full of himself and has no PSL.

    2) He’s telling the truth and does own a PSL. And based on his claim of the PSL quadrupling in value, he may possibly be Pittsburgh fan. Internest searches show that PSLs at Heinz Field have increased subsantially in value over the years.

    So, perhaps our little friend is still festering a bit from February 6, 2011.

  200. buzzardpointlookout says: Dec 30, 2011 7:57 AM

    golonger says:
    Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM
    buzzardpointlookout – I don’t think you make it past the IQ monitor..sorry!…LOL

    Yeah. That must be it, smart guy. As you are a case study in coolness and intelligence, I should model my posting habits after yours.

    If you regard golimper as a bell!gerent, obnox!ous p*ckerw**d, like this post.

  201. golonger says: Dec 30, 2011 11:29 AM

    mb1265 – thanks for being so concerned with who I am a fan off….but, I appreciate you pointing out just how many teams offer a BETTER situation than the fudge-Packers. Thanks for creating the list for me.

  202. golonger says: Dec 30, 2011 11:30 AM

    buzzardpointlookout – dont worry about your posting habits…you should be worried about the fact that you haven’t a clue!

  203. johnnyb216 says: Dec 30, 2011 12:13 PM

    Golonger,
    I seriously think you need a psychiatrist. No joke.

  204. golonger says: Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM

    johnnyb216 – that’s better than being a total nitwit, such as yourself…..but, I shouldn’t be so harsh. I’ll wait until you graduate from fourth grade before making that determination! LOL

  205. comeonnowguys says: Dec 30, 2011 6:02 PM

    Here’s your litmus test:

    If you walked down the street in some neutral location, pulled aside a football fan, and say, “‘America’s Team:’ What comes to mind?”

    It won’t be the Green Bay Packers.

  206. mb1265 says: Dec 30, 2011 6:30 PM

    golonger –

    Come on little buddy….don’t be getting upset with me and your quote about your PSL quadrupling in value. You are once again showing your superiority to all us morons by making the purchase at the right time. Congratulations.

    There’s nothing wrong with you being a fan of the Pittsburgh Steeelers. They are an admirable franchise, have a history of success and have an avid fan base.

    I remember when the Packers lost to the Broncos in the Super Bowl. It was not fun, although I was not as bitter as you are after the Pack beat the Steelers this year. (You might need to work on that…) My favorite play of the game was Collins interception for a touchdown. What was yours?

    Do you think Big Ben will play on Sunday? He would benefit from a first round bye for the playoffs, provided he doesn’t go to Lake Tahoe or Milledgeville.

  207. golonger says: Dec 30, 2011 8:44 PM

    mb1265 – thanks….dont be bitter. Anyone with half a brain would want something that is an actual investment rather than a useless piece of toilet paper….well…so much for that half of your brain! LOL

  208. mb1265 says: Dec 30, 2011 11:11 PM

    Hi golonger,

    How’s my little buddy doing tonight?

    I’m not bitter at all. I’m a life long Packers fan and have no intention of purchasing a share of stock.

    You can read all my posts on this topic and you will see that I never said I made a purchase, nor do I plan to make a purchase. It’s just not something that interests me.

    It’s odd that you’re avoiding the topic of your loyalty to the Steelers. One would think that you’d use this opportunity to discuss their superiority to the Packers in every facet of the business, both on and off the field. Of course, if you weren’t a Pittsburgh fan you could very easily say so.

    Like I said before, it’s ok to be a Steelers fan. You won’t like to hear this, but I see a lot of similarities between the Green Bay franchise and the Pittsburgh franchise. Even Mike McCarthy is from the Steel City!!!

  209. golonger says: Dec 31, 2011 10:13 AM

    mb1265 – thanks….dont be bitter. Anyone with half a brain would want something that is an actual investment rather than a useless piece of toilet paper….well…so much for that half of your brain! LOL

  210. golonger says: Dec 31, 2011 10:17 AM

    “I see a lot of similarities between the Green Bay franchise and the Pittsburgh franchise.”

    I think you are exactly right here….both sets of fans are some of the dumbest, clueless, out of touch….with the lowest IQs of any fans in the NFL…LOL. But, at least Pittsburgh fans are smart enough to move out of the rat infested city of which the franchise represents!

  211. discosucs2005 says: Dec 31, 2011 7:01 PM

    If you have made a purchase that’s sole purpose was sentimentality (this would include most team merchandise), than you cannot make fun of Packer fans who purchase this “non-stock stock.”

  212. mb1265 says: Dec 31, 2011 8:24 PM

    golonger –

    Sorry for the delay in repsonding to you today. I posted earlier, but they did not appear for some reason. Then, I had a problem with a computer virus.

    Anyway….Happy New Year, but why all the hate?

    So, you’re not a Steeler fan. You wouldn’t be a fan of the Eagles or Bears would you? That would surely be hypocritical.

    Of the Pittsburgh fans you know, did they leave what you referred to as their rat infested city for warmer weather? Down south or Arizona?

    Are you going to watch the ball drop tonight? Any big plans?

  213. Derty Ernie says: Jan 1, 2012 11:02 AM

    Joke is on the Packers however. First, they don’t have the big bucks being in a small market city. It ain’t NY or Dallas its Green Bay.
    My point: they will not win the super bowl this year or even make it there because they let their top pass rusher go due to lack of funds that a deep pocket team owner picked up.

    In the long run only the teams with deep pockets who can go out and get those quality free agents are going to win. The game is changing money wise and Pack are the only team that cannot change with it.

  214. mb1265 says: Jan 1, 2012 11:45 AM

    Golonger –

    How’s my little buddy today? I’m sorry for my error in categorizing you as a Steeler fan. I realize that you have way too much pent up bitterness and frustration to be a Steeler fan. You know….bitterness and frustration from not enjoying a successful season.

    That also probably leads to your embarassment to support your team via this forum.

  215. mb1265 says: Jan 1, 2012 11:55 AM

    Derty Ernie –

    You make a valid point about this year’s Packers. They will be challenged to make it to the Super Bowl this year, primarily due to poor defense and a lack of a pass rush.

    However, it was not for a lack of funds that the Pack let Jenkins go. Right or wrong, their current philosophy is to keep the team as young as possible and my guess is that Jenkins did not fit that plan.

    Regarding the deep pocket owner, it appers that his goal of buying a championship didn’t work for him this year.

    According to Forbes, the top valued franchises in order are Dallas, Washington, New England, NY Giants, NY Jets, Houston, Philadelphis, Chicago and Green Bay. The Packers, while small market, are holding their own.

  216. golonger says: Jan 1, 2012 12:19 PM

    “That also probably leads to your embarassment to support your team via this forum.”

    The only embarrassment (see correct spelling) on this forum is on the part of the packer fans….and the fact that they are stupid enough to pay $275 for a worthless piece of toilet paper…and the fact that they arent even smart enough to realize what they are buying…that is embarrassing!

  217. golonger says: Jan 1, 2012 4:43 PM

    …and…so much for Aaron Rodgers MVP award…..what a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!

  218. golonger says: Jan 1, 2012 4:45 PM

    meant to say SHAM…a shame too but….

  219. blughst20 says: Jan 2, 2012 12:44 AM

    If you don’t get it, Well you don’t get it.

    How many of you so called sports fans will sit on the frozen tundra to watch a talented and historic team of guys play a game of football in below zero temperatures. Not many, but I can say to my Sons that I was there and it was a present from My Dad 2 weeks before I was drafted into the Army for Vietnam.

    Those memories to me are worth way more than $250.00.

    So suck eggs if you are not amused.

  220. mb1265 says: Jan 2, 2012 10:44 AM

    Hi golonger –

    How’s my little buddy on this second day of 2012? Did you sleep well last night?

    Your comments about Aaron Rodgers and the MVP award seem odd. I realize that Matt Flynn had a good game yesterday, but I don’t think it will be enough to surpass Rodgers.

    I can’t speak for all Packer fans, but I’m much more interested in team awards instead of individual awards, like the Lombardi Trophy. I know your team never earned one of those, but you’ve heard of it, correct?

  221. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 11:07 AM

    blughst20 – and here lies the problem with Packer fans….this holier-than-thou attitude. Your franchise isn’t that great, sorry. Also, I didn’t realize paying the $275 was a mandatory thing to enjoy a football game. Hence the other problem with Packer fans…no ability to logically reason……Do you get season tickets with the purchase of the “stock”?….No…So arguing that the memories are tied to it are meaningless and ridiculous. You’re arguement is totally null and vois…sorry

  222. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 11:43 AM

    “Matt Flynn had a good game yesterday, but I don’t think it will be enough to surpass Rodgers.”

    ..and of course you are too simple-minded to even get my point. I wasn’t implying that Flynn should get the award you tool. I was saying given the Packers performance yesterday, Rodgers isn’t deserving of the MVP seeing how the Packers actually performed BETTER with Flynn in there…..translation!!!..Rodgers is over-rated. Not even in the same league as Brees or Brady!

    But thanks AGAIN for proving how dumb you really are…..LOL

  223. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 11:44 AM

    ….and hate to disappoint you but…the Packers defense SUCKS…..they have ZERO chance of getting to the SB!!!

  224. mb1265 says: Jan 2, 2012 12:48 PM

    You sure are crabby today little buddy…Must not have gotten enough sleep…

    Did you ever think that the simple minded person might actually be you? I knew exactly what you were referring to when you posted the MVP sham. You were the “tool” who took the bait. Congratulations.

    I agree with you, the Packers defense is very, very poor this year. You are not the only person to notice.

    Technically, the Packers DO have a chance to make the SuperBowl. They are in the playoffs, correct?

    What’s the chances of your team making the SuperBowl, or don’t you have the guts to tell me?

  225. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 1:14 PM

    mb1265 – No…with you in here….pretty safe bet nobody is more “simple-minded” than you.

  226. mb1265 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:08 PM

    golonger — little buddy….lighten up and answer one question for me…

    What’s the chances of your team making the SuperBowl, or don’t you have the guts to tell me?

  227. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 9:37 PM

    mb1265 – what are the chances of u getting a clue?

  228. comeonnowguys says: Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM

    Hmm. I have to wonder what the official commenting policies are if posts where people are trying to make relevant points (soaked in snark, to be fair) are getting turned away while a flame war is allowed to continue.

  229. golonger says: Jan 3, 2012 9:21 PM

    comeonnowguys – right…relevant comments from YOU?…LOL…..go jump off a skyscaper!

  230. gb4ever0811 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:46 PM

    A big AMEN to that comeonnowguys!!!!!

  231. mb1265 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM

    golonger –

    You (see correct spelling) have answered all my questions by avoiding them. No PSL and no team in the playoffs.

    No need to respond – take care buddy.

  232. golonger says: Jan 5, 2012 8:21 PM

    mb1265 – U (text much??) have done the same…..no brain, no clue…..enjoy watching the SB with others playing in it LOL!

  233. golonger says: Jan 5, 2012 8:23 PM

    gb4ever0811 – get back to your dog!!!!!

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