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King: Gruden the same guy as coach and broadcaster

Former Bucs quarterback and 1010 AM host Shaun King joined Florio on Thursday’s PFT Live to discuss the state of all things Bucs.

It was a great conversation that contained a rare moment in the show’s history: King actually seemed to change Florio’s mind about something.  (Whether the Bucs should keep Raheem Morris.)

Florio also asked King if there is a disconnect between Jon Gruden the coach and Gruden the broadcaster.

“That’s absolutely who he is,” King said. “That’s probably been the most frustrating aspect for guys that have played for him. The coaches that have been successful in that league are honest with their players. You are dealing with grown men. . . .

“In private, everyone is great. Everyone is doing a good job. Then you’re gone. I think that’s created some dissension on some of the teams he’s coached.”

You can check out Thursday’s whole show at the PFT Live homepage or download the show on iTunes.

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  1. kingpel says: Dec 29, 2011 6:40 PM

    And who exactly is Shaun King except Raheem Morris’ buddy?

    I dont put any weight in what that small handed, Gary Coleman look-a-like thinks.

    Morris must go!

    King go back to your crappy radio show, you Ian Beckles wanna be!

  2. kingpel says: Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM

    My name is Shaun King. My inept play cost a good team a shot at a championship. Listen to what I have to say!

    What’s next from this bottom feeder?

    King: My cat’s breath smells like cat food!

  3. mcjon22 says: Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM

    Did Shaun King even play under Gruden? Wasn’t he part of the reason Dungy got axed? Your 15 minutes Of fame only known to Bucs fan is over.

  4. Uncle Leo says: Dec 29, 2011 6:55 PM

    @kingpel

    You’re not very bright are you?

  5. gatherspeed says: Dec 29, 2011 6:56 PM

    I listened live and agreed with Shaun King. He made some great points.

    As a Bucs season ticket holder, I vote to keep Raheem. He does have blame, but the Glazers and the overall plan (handed to Rah) are more to blame. There are a thousand other reasons behind the Bucs collapse and King sums it up well.

    I would not be shocked either way about Raheem next week.

    Rock Reilly filled in for the Big Dog this week and over 50% of the callers wanted to keep Coach Morris, but on the message boards it seems the other way. It is a hot topic for sure.

  6. commandercornpone says: Dec 29, 2011 6:56 PM

    some of these players are something else. i bet king always told coaches he was “the guy”. clearly he wasnt. so what if gruden said he liked bradford then. he probly would draft another qb… and trade some qb. alternately we all know gruden likes to have a lot of qbs around.

    when tampa lost to the rams… it was 11-6. i think it was the tampa defense that kept it that close. king was along for the ride.

    this is all about saving his bud’s job. and running down gruden. gruden didnt develop u enough? but raheem needs patience? meanwhile, everyone else wants results.

    raheem took credit for the 10-6 season. he cant walk away from this year. they have offensive players who can start elsewhere. their defense is under morris’s control. wha hoppen?

    seattle and green bay are also very young. they dont have the issues tampa has.

  7. tatum064 says: Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM

    Lets see who dissed Chucky.

    A whole bunch of fans WHO HAVE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME AT THE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.

    A would be QB that pretty much gagged away an earlier Super Bowl chance, and Gruden got Tampa Bay over the hump.

    A idiotic Mike Pereira who oversaw the “ridiculous” Tuck Rule game, and SEVERAL analysts such as Rich Eisien have said the rule needs to be done away with altogether. The refs are an unnecessary part that are beginning to take away from the game, with the fines.

    Simeon Rice – who sounds like bitter apples, you can always tell a lot about guys who bang on former head coaches when they didnt do it when they played for the guy. What did Sapp say? Not a goddamn thing – and he never shuts up.

    These guys sound like bitter old church gossips on a park bench. These guys embarrass the game.

  8. nflfollower says: Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM

    Well the Bucs franchise sure fell into disarray when Gruden left. Just an observation. The guy coached two different teams to the Super Bowl, winning with one of them. Clearly he does something right. If not all of his players like him, oh well, that’s not his job.

  9. Uncle Leo says: Dec 29, 2011 7:07 PM

    @tatum064

    Give me a list of the people who have supported Gruden.

    Thanks

  10. youngry says: Dec 29, 2011 7:09 PM

    Morris is gone, period. Steve Duemig can think all he wants but the fact is he is the defensive coordinator on one of the worst defenses in NFL history. If he comes back the Bucs will lose even more season ticket holders.

  11. youngry says: Dec 29, 2011 7:10 PM

    @Uncle Leo

    Warren Sapp and John Lynch. Watch the America’s Game.

  12. snnyjcbs says: Dec 29, 2011 7:14 PM

    That is why Al Davis Traded Gruden for two #1′s, 2 #2′s a 3rd and 8 million dollars, he gets old with players real quick with many saying he is two faced as they come. Wants to play the buddy buddy, I am a cool guy game to often. Notice once he had full control of bringing in players once Al Davis let him go to Tampa, the team was down graded over time.

  13. raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 29, 2011 7:15 PM

    Simply not the case with the Raiders. If you weren’t doing good he’ll let you know and put you in the dog house. He told Jerry Porter he was gonna trade him for a 6 pack of beer and some tic tacs. Porter couldn’t stand him.

    He was always looking for ways to improve the team. He loved Andre Rison, but Jerry Rice became available, Rison had to go. If his character flaw is looking to upgrade his squad…then, oh well. Gruden’s guys, his players, loved him..

  14. mrpyle126 says: Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM

    King also is a cheap loser. He use to come into Outback Steakhouse, and tip less than 10%… And that’s a fact!

  15. dhnguyen66 says: Dec 29, 2011 7:32 PM

    Looking at this objectively, not a whole lot of players who have played for Gruden are saying great things. Does Shaun King sound like a bitter man? Well, yeah…

    but it doesn’t mean he isn’t close to the truth.

    I personally think his evaluation of Bradford during the draft process and his now assertion that he’d draft Luck or RG3 if he were a part of the Rams organization is very consistent with the reputation he has accumulated after his firing.

    Even bitter and petty football analysts can be right.

  16. brewcitybummer says: Dec 29, 2011 8:02 PM

    I really don’t understand how THIS GUY has endeared himself to fans. His commenting is so cheesy and over the top it feels like you’re watching wrestling.

  17. 6ball says: Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM

    .

    @tatum064

    Is that your age or IQ?

    So you say that only people who’ve played pro football can opine, yet then go on to cite Rich Eisen as a source.

    What was Eisen? An all-pro linebacker. The guy goes on IR after a haircut. You also claim that HOF candidate Eisen said the rule ought to be changed. The key word is “rule “. The officials followed the NFL bylaws to the letter. Although keep whining, there’s a chance they’ll change the score of a game that was played a decade ago.

    Lastly, who’s responsible for the train wreck the bucs franchise has become? John Gruden, that’s who. The guys work product is sub- millen.

    .

  18. tatum064 says: Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM

    Uncle Leo says:
    Dec 29, 2011 7:07 PM
    @tatum064

    Give me a list of the people who have supported Gruden.

    Thanks

    Steve Wisniewski
    Charles Woodson
    Bruce Allen
    Amy Trask
    Rich Gannon
    Jerry Rice
    Jon Ritchie
    Mike Alstott
    Bob LaMonte
    Mike Wadsworth (Notre Dame athletic director)
    Tim Brown
    Greg Papa
    Greg Gumbel
    Bill Muir (o-line coach at KC)
    David Shaw (now head coach at Stanford)
    Mike Holmgren
    Andy Reid

    (im sure a lot more than this)

    Just because they aren’t publically defending the dude doesnt mean they werent down with him – which is the whole point of this garbage a$% article. – to force a reaction out of Gruden, who of course will not respond at all. I think its 50/50 on Gruden going anywhere, primarily because of his problem with QBs (HE HAD NONE SINCE RICH GANNON.). Very likely he could land in two prime areas with good situations. San Diego-Rivers or St Louis-Bradford. Or, ugh, KC where he would have enough cap room.

    Bitter and petty are synonymous with excuse making and losing. A man takes responsibility, and criticizes no one. Gruden was first in and last to leave, he single handedly took a perennial loser-dysfunctional team to the pinnacle of the AFC Championship, then another garbage team to a Super Bowl (inheriting an awesome defense that Dungy built).

    There’s a reason why King never won, just like theres a reason why a lot of people hated on Gruden. HE WON, Period. THEY DIDNT. He is on TV. THEY AREN’T.

    A lot of people hate Gruden on MNF. A lot of people hated Howard Cosell as well – Thats the point – have somebody people either hate or love, but would get a reaction from people.

  19. turgidsen says: Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM

    HMMM!!!! Shaun King , a barely avg NFL QB. His opinion matters? Really? Of course we all know what is said about opinions.

    If I remember Correctly John Lynch loved Gruden .Lynch said Gruden would see a player in the hall and stop the player and yell” Don’t you love football” or something like that .

    Plus Gruden took two different teams to the superbowl (one being a previously mediocre Tampa team) so he must of been doing something right.

  20. tatum064 says: Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM

    snnyjcbs says:
    Dec 29, 2011 7:14 PM
    That is why Al Davis Traded Gruden for two #1′s, 2 #2′s a 3rd and 8 million dollars, he gets old with players real quick with many saying he is two faced as they come. Wants to play the buddy buddy, I am a cool guy game to often. Notice once he had full control of bringing in players once Al Davis let him go to Tampa, the team was down graded over time.
    =============

    Al Davis traded Gruden because he was a bitter, declining owner who didnt see his team actually improve their entire system. As a result of Gruden leaving the team went in double digit losing cycle that didnt get out of until JUST LAST YEAR. Gruden NEVER had a losing season in Oakland. You saw the result of Davis’ “foresight” the draft picks developed into nothing – the two went opposite directions and their careers went opposite directions. Gruden never should’ve left Oakland, frankly.

    “two faced as they come” sounds like whine with cheese. Who the hell is Shaun King, anyway?

  21. 1captain1 says: Dec 29, 2011 8:56 PM

    jerry lawler and mike tenay should call the monday night games!

  22. usetabe says: Dec 29, 2011 9:04 PM

    Bullpucky. Gruden flat out lied to Jeff Garcia about a new contract. He’s a liar. Period.

  23. corndogluv says: Dec 29, 2011 9:15 PM

    Gruden i love u man thanks for the SB. screw all the haters.

  24. ddjesus says: Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM

    @tatum, how can you say that only people deeply intimate with the NFL can judge Gruden, then slam an NFL quarterback about his opinion and THEN value the opinion of a sportscaster who never played football. Nobody can take you seriously for these things.

    And I love everyone else slamming King’s opinion because he was a mediocre quarterback. 1, how does that affect his opinion at all, and 2, what does it say about you?

  25. snccoach says: Dec 29, 2011 9:51 PM

    I’m not the biggest Gruden fan, but why on earth does Shaun King get any facetime whatsoever? His 15 min of fame, flamed out long ago (est. 2000). In his prime, King was a fat, lazy, Blue-Martini/Gentleman’s Club patroning quarterback who wasted his talent away.

    He complains about Gruden, but the reality is Dungy was the one who brought Brad Johnson in because King could not be trusted with leading the franchise’s offense.

    And of course he’s going to defend Raheem. Coach Rah used to hang out with all those guys when he was a QC coach.

    He has no credibility.

  26. mschurm1 says: Dec 29, 2011 9:53 PM

    Shaun King had a noticeable liability as a QB – he couldn’t throw the ball well.

  27. frankdatank23 says: Dec 29, 2011 10:01 PM

    wow, what an obvious attempt at character assassination….. shuan king is really sour grapes over gruden. poor chump.

  28. tatum064 says: Dec 29, 2011 10:04 PM

    6ball says:
    Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM
    .

    @tatum064

    Is that your age or IQ?

    So you say that only people who’ve played pro football can opine, yet then go on to cite Rich Eisen as a source.

    What was Eisen? An all-pro linebacker. The guy goes on IR after a haircut. You also claim that HOF candidate Eisen said the rule ought to be changed. The key word is “rule “. The officials followed the NFL bylaws to the letter. Although keep whining, there’s a chance they’ll change the score of a game that was played a decade ago.

    Lastly, who’s responsible for the train wreck the bucs franchise has become? John Gruden, that’s who. The guys work product is sub- millen.

    ================

    Only one way to find out. Watch Gruden get hired, and see if he turns that program around. Very difficult to do it the third time around, being removed from the game (see Shanahan).

    We’ll see.

    =================

    ddjesus says:
    Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM
    @tatum, how can you say that only people deeply intimate with the NFL can judge Gruden, then slam an NFL quarterback about his opinion and THEN value the opinion of a sportscaster who never played football. Nobody can take you seriously for these things.

    And I love everyone else slamming King’s opinion because he was a mediocre quarterback. 1, how does that affect his opinion at all, and 2, what does it say about you?

    ================

    It speaks volumes since Marino, Bradshaw, Warner, Gannon and several others haven’t said jack, and a scrub QB that didnt do anything did voice his opinion, and it won’t matter anyway, because he’s getting a job.

    It’s bitterness. It is what it is. Dudes that don’t have rings are going to naturally blame others. And frankly, i don’t think Simeon Rice’s opinion matters, either – what did he do when Gruden wasn’t there? What the hell did King do in Arizona?

    Its ok to look at this subjectively. Gruden has an ego, i’m not disputing that. What’s with the attack on the airwaves, before dude gets a job? Is Gruden T.O? or Braylon Edwards? … is he that much of a cancer?

    Enough, already. A lot of these ex-players act like rejected lovers and use the media as a platform. Man up, analyze the game, but don’t personalize it. YOU DIDNT GET IT DONE AT THIS LEVEL.

    End of story. Let the GM and Ownership decide if Gruden is the right guy – your opinion is duly noted – move the f$%k on.

  29. tatum064 says: Dec 29, 2011 10:06 PM

    snccoach says:
    Dec 29, 2011 9:51 PM
    I’m not the biggest Gruden fan, but why on earth does Shaun King get any facetime whatsoever? His 15 min of fame, flamed out long ago (est. 2000). In his prime, King was a fat, lazy, Blue-Martini/Gentleman’s Club patroning quarterback who wasted his talent away.

    He complains about Gruden, but the reality is Dungy was the one who brought Brad Johnson in because King could not be trusted with leading the franchise’s offense.

    And of course he’s going to defend Raheem. Coach Rah used to hang out with all those guys when he was a QC coach.

    He has no credibility.

    =======

    100% correct. Personalized venom aimed at somebody he thought did him wrong. Then Pereira piles on because of Gruden never refuting that “Tuck” nonsense.

  30. dietrich43 says: Dec 29, 2011 10:25 PM

    Gruden’s act might get old quickly, but he has as many championships as Tony Dungy, Dick Vermeil, and Mike Tomlin. If I was Jacksonville or Miami, I’d give him a chance to age.

  31. hoodheisman says: Dec 30, 2011 3:11 AM

    Look how many players, coaches, and GMs followed Gruden from the Raiders to the Bucs…. The biggest reason these guys went to bat for Gruden had to do with the fact that he always stood up for them in front of Al Davis.

    My fondest memory of Gruden smearing Shauna King’s lip gloss:
    December 29, 1999
    Raiders – 45
    Bucs – 0

    Quote from Rich Gannon (i.e. a real QB): “It all starts at the top,” Gannon said. “Jon Gruden is a very positive guy who believes in himself and this organization. That trickles down to the players.

    … and you wonder why Gruden has the multi-million dollar gig with ESPN and Shauna is picking sand from his ‘gina on PFT live.

  32. tatum064 says: Dec 30, 2011 3:32 AM

    Miami sounds right, they have a clueless owner , but Gruden would have Jeff Ireland as the GM. Still, there’s Jake Long, Cameron Wake, Reggie Bush and Brandon Marshall. As good a nucleus as any. One problem, he’d be in the same division as Tom Brady and the Pats.

  33. bcjim says: Dec 30, 2011 7:24 AM

    Hilarious, I guess the opinions of armchair hacks and internet know it alls are more trustworthy and accurate than an nfl qb who has first hand experience with a coach.

    I guess that unless a player has hall of fame numbers, he its immediately a lying pos…brilliant.

  34. lonespeed says: Dec 30, 2011 8:10 AM

    I guess if your last name is King, it doesn’t automatically make you a fan of Jon Gruden.

  35. autumnwind999 says: Dec 30, 2011 10:17 AM

    Myth: The Tuck Rule was correctly applied in the Raiders-Pats game.

    Truth: Official Walt Coleman reviews the play for 10 minutes (10 minutes!?!?!), then determines there is indisputable evidence to overturn the correct call on the field of a fumble. He simply states, “The Quarterback’s arm was going forward. It is an incomplete pass.” The phrase “Tuck Rule” and that whole explanation was crafted, probably by Pereria, after the fact. It still doesn’t change the fact that, as proven by still-photo evidence of Brady holding the ball with two hands against his body as Woodson is knocking it out, this play still didn’t even fall under the guidelines of the “Tuck Rule.”

    Not to be a bitter Raider fan or anything, but NFL people like Pereria endlessly reiterating this lie that it was the correct call needs to be challenged or else people will believe it to be true.

    I realize this is somewhat off-topic from this story, but I think Pereria has a beef with Gruden dating back to that event and that’s why he went out of his way to trash him this past week. He probably still has hurt feelings from the following season when NFL officiating supervisors went to Oakland to explain this rule and others to the team and every single player got up one by one and walked out on them.

  36. madnova says: Dec 30, 2011 11:30 AM

    So, Morris should keep his job because the team hasn’t provided him with “veteran coordinators” like Tomlin had…

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Morris start out with veteran coordinators, and fire them before his first season was over?

  37. eagleshavelanded says: Dec 30, 2011 11:54 AM

    Gruden on his best day thinks and acts like he is a tough guy. He talks to Jaworski like he is an intern. Easily Jaworski’s experience on the field is something that tough guy Gruden cannot match. So he downplays it completely. Gruden at one time was a hard working coach, today he thinks he is a super star.

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