Comments on: Putting Cam Newton’s rookie season in perspective

By: whatswiththehate

whatswiththehate — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:37:47 +0000

caperi says:Jan 2, 2012 1:10 PM

Why is everyone acting like Cam is surrounded by amazing players?
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They do it because it helps to pad their unrealistic arguments.

And, did someone actually compared RG III to Luck? I’d take RG III over Luck in a heartbeat. Andrew Luck is Blaine Gabbert with a slightly better arm and Pro-style college training.

It’s clear many of you haven’t learnt a darn thing from Barnum Bailey…

How many of the media “chosen next great” QBs gave gone on to have successful careers regardless of all the help they’ve gotten courtesy of the media blaming everyone else for their failures?

Out of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Rodgers, which ones were chosen by the media to be the “next great” QB….NONE. The only reason why Peyton Manning is hyped the way he is, is because he was a media chosen QB. Rodgers, Brees and even Eli all have what Manning has, one Superbowl ring. Yet, Peyton is forever placed above them. Why is that…Because a “sucker is born every second,” and our media nows that.

By the way, there is a guy name Tom Brady who was not a media “chosen next great” QB who owns more rings than Peyton, by the way.

By: caperi

caperi — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:10:45 +0000

Why is everyone acting like Cam is surrounded by amazing players? Steve Smith has been irrelevant since his last 1,000 yard season back when the Panthers made the playoffs in 2008. Neither D. Williams nor J. Stewart rushed for 1,000 yards, which neither of them have since both doing it in 2009. Yeah, they’re not bad and they have talent, but they’re nothing without Cam Newton. Having Benson/AJ Green is debatably equivalent to having Williams/Stewart/Smith.

By: nathanjreese

nathanjreese — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:58:03 +0000

Mark Sanchez just won his first few years in the league too. I don’t think anyone is going to make a case for him being a great QB. What about football being a team sport do people not understand?

By: cem46

cem46 — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:41:53 +0000

Cam Newton is over rated and over hyped. Yes, he has had some note worthy moments, but over all I’d give him a C + for the season. I get tired of hearing that he has no help, that’s totally false. He has arguably one of the best receivers in the game and a solid tight end to throw to.

IMO, Dalton will have a better career. He may not make it to a super bowl, however, I’d rather build a team around Dalton than Newton.

Bottom line is that people are desperate to see an elite black QB in the NFL. Hate to burst your bubble folks, but Cam isn’t going to be it. He will put together some solid seasons, but he’s not going to be the great black QB people are hoping for. Drew Brees is a veteran, I understand that, but he made Newton look like a Pop Warner reject today.

By: bigdaddyblount

bigdaddyblount — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:46:43 +0000

I am a Panthers fan Cam is going to be great .If you look back we went into 12 games leading at halftime and 10 leading at some point in the 4th.we need some help on defense but if you passing all game the defense is dead tired in the 4th.If you look at the games we won they gave the ball to the running backs and let them do their job.Steve Smith 2nd in receiving yards but hardly getting into the endzone .We gave so many games away passing to much.Everytime our backs touch the ball 8 to10 yrds two pro bowl type runners great tight ends and the QB more rushing TD’s than the both name another team that don’t use their backs.

By: The Prophet

The Prophet — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:15:43 +0000

Great year, proved his first couple games were not flukes. Wins will come, anyone focusing that on a rookie is being unfair.

By: xlcapncrunchlx

xlcapncrunchlx — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 10:22:32 +0000

saying Dalton deserves the rookie of the year award is like saying Dalton is completely responsible for his teams success.A.J has torn it up and without his ability to catch the ball, Dalton’s not even part of the discussion. And for that matter,the bengals Def shouldnt even be recognized for their stellar play. Cam broke 2 records,A passing record(Through multiple receivers) and a rushing touchdown rookie record. What records has Dalton broken? This comment in no way should down Dalton because he has been better than anyone has thought but Newtons scary good.

By: icewalker946

icewalker946 — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 00:37:16 +0000

I’ll once again state that I thought Cam Newton was never going to throw more than 15 touchdowns in his career, much less throw 20 in his first season AND score 14 more on the ground.

I was wrong. Please forgive me.

By: skippyx

skippyx — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:52:37 +0000

Cam should be ROY, but let the light of reality shine on all these Cam cultists who shout racism and ignore facts.

Dalton will have faced a top 10 D 10 times this year.
Cam faced a top 10 D 2 times.

Dalton did not face a bottom 10 passing D.
Cam faced a bottom 10 passing D 7 times.
–Tampa is a bad college team and Cam got them twice.

Stewart/Williams 1465 10 TD 5.2 avg + 59 catches.
(like pro bowl backs)
Benson/Scott 1366 8 TD 3.7 avg + 25 catches.
(below league average)

Shockey/Olsen 87 977 9 TDs
Gresham/Lee 60 630 6 TDs

Smith 73 1308 6 TDs
Green 63 1031 7 TDs

Simpson/Caldwell 82 988 7 TDs
LaFell/Naanee 78 1053 4 TDs

Cam had the superior weapons facing far inferior talent. Congrats on the landslide ROY. Both should be solid QBs for 10 years.

Nothing about this season predicts Newton will be the superior QB unless you think the 2010 Tampa 10 win season predicted a big run in 2011 for them.

By: packerfan12

packerfan12 — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:48:09 +0000

I think that Newton proved people wrong with his arm…At first teams were worried about his ability to run, and he burned them through the air. I have seen plenty of times where he could have taken off running, but stayed back and threw anyways.

This season has been impressive because of his throwing ability, everyone knew he could run, but putting up almost 4,000 yards as a rookie? Wow…

By: mooremusicllc

mooremusicllc — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:02:20 +0000

Guys have any of you been to CINNCY if so you would understand how that they dont understand the diff between team stats and indv stats…nuff said

By: raideralex99

raideralex99 — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:23:36 +0000

How can Dalton be even considered as ROY … all you sports media guys had him as the worst starting QB in the NFL this year after pre-season.

If Newton stats are so great how come he was not picked for the Pro Bowl?

By: cammycam1987

cammycam1987 — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:25:43 +0000

Not sure if the people saying Cam has a much better offense realize this, but Jimmy Clausen also had Steve Smith, a good line, and two great running backs. And he couldn’t even throw for 2000 yards in 10 games.

So you Bengals fans should probably stop making that argument since it’s literally the dumbest point you could possibly try to make. Especially to a Panthers fan.

By: teeray33

teeray33 — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 02:31:07 +0000

Oh yeah. And as I mentioned Cam played Houston also. Incredibly tough non-divisional schedule.

By: teeray33

teeray33 — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 02:29:31 +0000

Cam just played the Texans who have the best defense in the NFL this year and put 28 on them and played very well. So he is fine against tough defenses.

Meanwhile Dalton wins because he played Jax, Indy, Cleveland x2, Denver, Buffalo, St. Louis, Seattle, and Arizona

Most of the NFL would win 8 or 9 games when 66% of their schedule or these guys.

The only good teams CIN have played are SF, Pitt x2, and Baltimore.

If only Cam had that schedule instead of GB, Chicago (with Cutler), Atl x2, New Orleans, and Detroit he would be more of a “winner”.

By: txpeta

txpeta — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:11:34 +0000

Make the co-rookies of the year! Issue resolved…

By: t8ertot

t8ertot — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:03:36 +0000

Cams stats wouldn’t be so great if his defense was better. He wouldn’t have to put up ridiculous numbers. I’m sure if Andy didn’t have a good defense, he would have to throw for ridiculous yards also. Same goes for running the ball.

Both qbs are great. It’s comparing apples to oranges though

By: grandpoopah

grandpoopah — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:44:49 +0000

You know the look on someone’s face when they first learn that Sam Bowie was selected before Michael Jordan in the 1984 draft? Five or ten years from now, people will have the same expression when you tell them that there once were a lot of people who thought Andy Dalton was better than Cam Newton simply because Dalton’s team won a couple games more than Newton’s in his first season. Of course, people were making the same argument in favor of Tebow over Newton just 3 weeks ago.

By: hazebronso

hazebronso — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:41:06 +0000

@maddogwhite

2011-2012 NFL season Strength of Schedule:

1. Panthers

27. Bengals

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Thread over

By: themikebowers

themikebowers — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:29:33 +0000

Not to mention Dalton’s stats against the big-bad Steelers and Ravens so far are:

50-for-99 (50.5%)
708 yards
4 Touchdowns
5 Interceptions
66.4 QB Rating

Yeah, he plays some tough defenses. He just doesn’t do well against them.

By: chowtime888

chowtime888 — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:27:47 +0000

@crip2nite yeah, Dalton’s not in the Pro Bowl, sorry to break it to ya. Also, Cam’s first ALT.

By: swgiblin

swgiblin — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:21:05 +0000

@crip2nite

Not sure whether you can read, but Dalton isn’t going to the Pro Bowl. AFC selections were Brady, Berger and Rivers.

By: swgiblin

swgiblin — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:18:26 +0000

@maddogwhite

2011-2012 NFL season Strength of Schedule:

1. Panthers

27. Bengals

By: ritt36

ritt36 — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:13:39 +0000

@maddogwhite

I guess you forgot to mention that we also play the Saints and Falcons twice a year too. Oh yeah, and you guys play the Browns. When you look at it like that it doen’t quite work the same way does it? Since when does Fantasy have anything to do with the ROY award?

By: madisonave99

madisonave99 — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:13:18 +0000

Cam of course. Doing more with far less than Dalton have, and has kept the Saints far more competitive against tough competition, despite having nobody around him. The Bengals have a far better defense and receiving core, yet the Bengals have still played like crap against all the good teams on their schedule (8-0 against under .500 and 1-6 against over .500 teams). Cam has also re-vitalized Steve Smith’s career.

By: maddogwhite

maddogwhite — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:05:51 +0000

Interesting how some of these Cam lovers quickly forget that Dalton has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice each this year — that’s 4 games against the TWO BEST DEFENSES in football.

I’d like to see how Cam does against them instead of padding his stats against a joke of a team like the Buccaneers twice in one season. How many fantasy stats did he get with his two outings against that abomination?

By: ritt36

ritt36 — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:01:39 +0000

It doesn’t matter who you think is going to win the ROY award. It is going to be Cam. Besides the Bungles haven’t even made it to the playoffs yet. There is alot that has to happen for them to make it in. First of all they have to beat the Ravens this weekend. Good luck with that. So since you guys wont even make the playoffs that pretty much puts a who cares on Dalton’s wins. So again Cam will win the ROY award!!!

By: teeray33

teeray33 — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:54:59 +0000

If Cam Newton got to play the NFC West and the AFC North sans Peyton Manning, plus a average Broncos team and a terrible Buffalo team with their non-dividsional games, with the addition of Cleveland twice a year… he would probably be a “winner” too.

By: crip2nite

crip2nite — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:42:54 +0000

Oh yeah Almost forgot. If the NFL places value on individual stats for the ROY why is it that Andy Dalton is going to the Pro bowl and Cam is not??

By: packersownerandshareholder

packersownerandshareholder — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:41:44 +0000

If you thought Cam Newton was going to be the next Jamarcus Russell then like comment.