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Colts clean house: Polians are out

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We have our first stunner of Black Monday.

Colts Vice Chairman Bill Polian and his son G.M. Chris Polian are out in Indianapolis, according to Chris Mortensen of ESPN.

There’s no official word yet on coach Jim Caldwell. (UPDATE 2:59 p.m. ET: No decision has been made yet on Caldwell, according to Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star.)

The departure of the Polian clan is a seismic decision by owner Jim Irsay after Polian served the team successfully for 14 years.  Bill Polian took over as G.M. in early 1998 and made Peyton Manning his first draft pick with the team.

Polian dumped quarterback Jim Harbaugh back then and it’s at least possible that Polian’s plans regarding Manning led to this move by Irsay.

Irsay is very close to Manning and there was apparent friction between the quarterback and general manager in recent weeks. Polian seemed almost certain to draft a quarterback No. 1 and had been closely tied to Andrew Luck, who yet another Polian worked with at Stanford.

It’s possible the next Colts decision maker could still let go of Manning or draft Luck, of course. But the departure of the Polians appears to make it more likely for Manning to have a future in Indianapolis.

If Irsay was thinking about starting fresh, now is certainly the time. Let the new decision makers chart the course of the franchise for the next decade.

Until this disastrous year, the Colts had won at least ten games for nine straight seasons. The team had eleven double digit win seasons in Polian’s tenure.

Of course, Polian’s tenure coincides exactly with Peyton Manning. There are fair arguments to be made over how much credit Manning should get and how much the front office should get.

We think there is enough credit to go around, even if Manning makes it all go. The Polians and Manning accomplished an incredible amount together.

Irsay sure appears to see Manning as the more integral part of the Colts’ future.

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172 Responses to “Colts clean house: Polians are out”
  1. lanjoith says: Jan 2, 2012 2:40 PM

    I hope Dean Spanos follows suit.

  2. trbowman says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Caldwell will be out.

    Peyton and Reggie Wayne have played their last snap in Indy.

    Why would Peyton want to stay?

  3. fissels says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Wow

  4. parkerfly says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Wow. But we’ve always heard (and finally saw this year) that the Colts would be no good without Peyton Manning. It didn’t have to be that way, if their other draft pics/free agent signing panned out.

  5. nomoreseasontix says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Seems inevitable, given the horribly botched contract situation with an injured and possibly finished Peyton Manning.

  6. Land Snark says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Good move. Next will be Caldwell.

  7. rambo08 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM

    Good. Manning’s great play covered up years of horrible drafting by the Polian’s.

  8. jdandcoke says: Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM

    wow!! i have a word on caldwell: goodbye.

  9. KIR says: Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM

    Wow!

  10. johnshawisgay says: Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM

    Hey Colts, if you want to make things exciting Hire Skip Kelly from Oregon and draft RGIII !!!

  11. minhw0714 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM

    Peyton is next

  12. randomguy9999 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM

    and they should be….. long overdue

  13. KIR says: Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM

    Did the son cost the dad his job? Wow!

  14. hellawaitsusall says: Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM

    lmao

  15. jimmysee says: Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM

    Wow.

    Double Wow.

    Is Peyton next?

    Are they clearing the decks for Luck?

    Wow.

  16. corchamp says: Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM

    What a surprise…we all saw how great his drafting really was once Manning went down.

  17. johnnyb216 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM

    Poor spags.

  18. bigshirk says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Damn, Talk about cleaning house.

  19. riverhorsey says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Hard to believe you could leave the coach in place all year and not have to pay the price. Some arrogance involved in that.

  20. jjrs89 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Caldwell is toast as well…. ship it!

  21. infectorman says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Jim Irsay’s quote:

    My deepest thanks and appreciation to Bill and his son for depending on basically one player for the better part of the last decade. Now its time to wipe the slate clean and bring in a “new set of eyes’ that can see past a single position on a football team and demonstrate the ability to do more than stake their entire reputation and the fate of an entire NFL team on only QuarterBack…

  22. dionoil says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Wow

  23. belichickee says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    Wow.

  24. hmpennypacker says: Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM

    WOW!!! I thought they’d survive and Caldwell would go. Maybe Peyton retires, gets hired as the GM and they still draft Luck!

  25. grogansheroes says: Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM

    As a football fan that does not like the Bill Polian brand of arena ball Godell and Polian are forcing down our throats, this is a great day for all football fans. He, like the commissioner is a megalomaniac. The only problem is now he will probably go work in the NFL front office.

  26. oldspice1010 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM

    Wow! A surprise but the right decision, Polians have been living on past reputation. Its never good to hire your kid, you cannot judge their performance objectively and will invariably promote them higher than more capable team members.

    Good job Mr. Irsay.

  27. udubdub says: Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM

    WOW! THAT is a shocker.

  28. trojan33sc says: Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM

    To Jim Caldwell: “Behold the Axeman cometh…” Just make it a clean sweep Polians plus Jimmy.

  29. johnnyjagfan says: Jan 2, 2012 2:47 PM

    Irsay didn’t fire them by Twitter? Shocker.

  30. duanethomas says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    Now lets see if Chris Polian can go get a NFL job on merit only.

  31. bertilfox says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    Polians Out. Caldwell Out. Peyton…Out!

    Luck, In! That and around $30,000,000.00 to boot.

    Looks like a No-Brainer.

  32. str82dvd says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    Bring him back to BUFFALO!!

  33. oldspice1010 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    I think Jeff Fisher as HC and Spagnolu as DC would be awesome, Irsay could seek advice from Ted Thompson or Ozzie Newsone in search for the next GM.

  34. jasons81 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    This I what needed to happen. Other than Manning and Freeny there’s hardly any other talent on that team. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the GM. And as for Manning, who’s brilliant idea was it to give him a huge multi-year deal either checking into his neck?

  35. patriotsdefense says: Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM

    it started when they were 14-0 and they didn’t want to try to win the final 2 games. That isn’t NFL football. From that day 2 years ago till now have been jawdroppingly shocking.

  36. moneymike23 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    Some say you can’t put Manning as the greatest QB of all time b/c he doesn’t have multiple rings. Well, Polians are the reason why, hard to believe these are the only pieces they could put around him.

  37. screamingsheep69 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    Wow, didn’t see that coming.

  38. supremeomega says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    Used to be a great GM…Still a bad guy! Time for a change and time to move one. Wayne, Dallas, Saturday, Brackett and Peyton won’t be far behind!

    Keep Mathis, redo Freeney’s deal and Let’s get Luck some new young talent and try to compete by 2013 in a weakening AFC!

    HC: Fisher
    DC: Spags
    OC: Norv

  39. jasons81 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    *is

  40. algrls says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    Peyton, it has been great, but your time is proably up.

  41. joenash72 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    Shoulda picked Ryan Leaf instead of Peyton

  42. terripet says: Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM

    good i hope caldwell in next

  43. dafixisin says: Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM

    No one has benefited more from the singular contribution of their QB (outside of Belichick) than the Polians.

    Healthy franchise QB= job security for all involved.

  44. bawston1 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM

    “Accountability” across the board. Ballsy move.. We’ll see how it plays out with Luck or no Luck.

  45. yeahyeahyeahbono14 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM

    I just peed a little. Just a little.

  46. My Last Victim Escaped says: Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM

    Maybe just maybe… Bill Cowher is interested?

  47. franbotel says: Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM

    Good news for Colt fans, Bill and Chris were responsible for the mess the colts roster was. Maybe Chris can get a job were his not appointed by his dad. Caldwell was horrible but the real issue was with management. For once nepotism fails

  48. dcpatfan says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    I personally can’t wait to see how Belichick scavenges off this joke franchise.

  49. furnzilla says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    Unless caldwells gone, we haven’t really cleaned house

  50. IMG says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    Stunner – yes. Surprising – no.
    The team was built around one individual. Not a good model to run a business.

  51. norcal031 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    I’ll take Polian in Oakland. His time was up in Indy. What a great day. No work for a few more weeks because of winter break and breaking news round the clock. Time to work on my couch groove.

  52. eaglesnoles05 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    You know who would be the perfect GM in Indy? Juan Castillo. He has been an OL coach for 13yrs + a defensive coordinator for one = Great fit!

  53. mike8016 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    Bill Polian was lucky to have manning for all those years. Its pathetic they were only able to win one superbowl with him. He had mediocre talent around manning for years

  54. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    He was more reputation than results. Sure he’s had some big names like Clark, Freeny, and Mathis, but anyone who drafts for one team over 13 years (about 91 picks) should at a minimum have a handful of highly talented stars. This year has clearly shown that he and this entire organizations success was directly tied to one Peyton Manning.

    You can’t go from a perenial Superbowl Contender, to the worst team in the league after missing one guy. 6-10 would have been somewhat acceptable, but not 2-14.

    Changes needed to be made, and I can only hope that Caldwell goes with him. Nice guy, but can’t lead or inspire a pee-wee football team.

  55. rjmcoltsfan says: Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM

    Thank God! I was praying Jim Irsay would do this! A good start – beginning to really believe in Irsay now – hoping he sticks to his word that Peyton will stay if healthy!

  56. skinsrock says: Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM

    Bill Polian Twitter 1 min ago… LOL:

    Bill Polian @billpolian Reply Retweet Favorite · Close
    So…where do I file for unemployment? #needsajob

  57. tatatoothy says: Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM

    One word:

    Rebuilding

  58. patriotsdefense says: Jan 2, 2012 2:53 PM

    MAYBE THIS WILL FIX THOSE RULES THAT POLIAN AND THE COLTS TOOK OUT OF THE. COMPETITION COMMITEE HAS 2 NEW SEATS. THIS NEW FOOTBALL ISN’T FOOTBALL AT ALL.

    BRING DEFENSE BACK.

  59. patriotsdefense says: Jan 2, 2012 2:53 PM

    wow sorry about caps lock. my bad

  60. texansfan2011 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:54 PM

    It’s been a long time coming, should have happened sooner. Now I hope that the Colts can rebuild soon, as I miss the rivalry (sp) that I had as a teen of the Steelers vs Oilers. Those were some of the greatest games that will go down in NFL history.

  61. tatatoothy says: Jan 2, 2012 2:55 PM

    Interesting thought – perhaps the Polian Express ran its course in Indy, but you cannot argue the success they had for 10+ years.

    There is a formula the Polians use to win, and it starts at the QB position and ends somewhere on the defensive side of the football.

    Would they be a fit in St. Louis, with arguably one of the best young QB’s in the league waiting on the roster along with a stud RB in the backfield?

  62. eknirb says: Jan 2, 2012 2:56 PM

    “Jim? Hey, this is Peyton. Listen, uh, Jim, tell you why I’ve called- I’ve decided to make a change at the HC position.”

  63. caseyanthonymunoz says: Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM

    Polian and Peyton put together a great legacy in Indy. No other team consistently went “One and Done” in the playoffs. Nobody choked quite like those two…well done fellas, well done.

  64. skittlesareyum says: Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM

    I don’t follow the Colts all that much, but am I the only one not surprised? Teams should not suddenly go 2-14 with the same coach minus your starting QB. The GM has to take a lot of the blame in that situation, because while it’s a good idea to build your team around one of the best QBs ever he went a little too far.

    I’m curious: has Polian been a good GM? His first move was to bring in Manning, which was a 50/50 call at the time between him and Ryan Leaf. Has he had any other draft-day coups or big successes? I’m not criticizing him here, I’m honestly curious.

  65. phaktor333 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM

    Well, isn’t this surprising. I guess if one paints the entire organization into a corner due to 1) the neglect of finding and developing an heir apparent to the QB position while everyone of your main competitors has done so and 2) leaving the organization on the hook for a cool $28 million for a player that may not play again, one deserves to be fired. I think Peyton will be gone as well and the Colts will eat the outrageous money owed in order to move on. Notice: All other NFL teams, the Polians and Peyton are a package deal.

  66. brenenostler says: Jan 2, 2012 2:58 PM

    Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!! I’ve been saying this for years. It’s finally happened!!!!!! Now we just need to get rid of Caldwell and hire Fisher. We also need to spend money on a DC that knows what he’s doing. Spagnuolo or Del Rio perhaps?

  67. bcjim says: Jan 2, 2012 2:58 PM

    So Payton and Irsay were allied vs the Polians?

    Weird.

  68. ctbucsfan0429 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM

    Caldwell better get the resume tuned up

  69. jersey73 says: Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM

    Peyton won the power struggle against Polian. And as a Colts fan, I always sided with Peyton in that fight.

    Caldwell is gone next and Jeff Fisher will be the new Colts HC. If Peyton can’t play, he will be the next offensive coordinator.

  70. Nevis says: Jan 2, 2012 3:00 PM

    Maybe because’s Manning’s absence exposed how horrible his drafting has been.

  71. realitypolice says: Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM

    I think you may be misreading this.

    Nothing to go on but a hunch, but if your franchise QB’s career was coming to an end, and many of your marquee players were free agents who probably are headed elsewhere, wouldn’t you want to start with a completely clean slate in your management and coaching positions?

    He knows he has a very desirable job to offer to both GM and coaching candidates due to having the number 1 pick. What better time to reboot the whole franchise?

    Just my humble opinion.

  72. ogre2010 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM

    WOW!! Jim Irsay is taking his team back

  73. jutts says: Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM

    Listen up ; Jerry Angelo, your next.

  74. heeeeelzfan says: Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM

    Jeff Fisher to Indy. Polians out. Give Fisher control over personnel. New QB. Make decisions on Wayne, Mathis, Saturday, etc. BTW Manning is retiring. Bank on it. (It’s been a great ride. Thanks, guys. I’ll give Polian this much. Manning over Leaf. Edge over Ricky Williams, Freeney. All gutsy picks.)

  75. trbowman says: Jan 2, 2012 3:02 PM

    “We think there is enough credit to go around. The Polians and Manning accomplished an incredible amount together.”

    What accomplishments by the Polians?

    They’re terrible.

  76. scimtar72 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:02 PM

    Bout time they cleaned house!!

  77. stevenfbrackett says: Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM

    The article made it sound like Irsay was going to stick with Manning no matter what. He needs to admit what pretty much everyone else has already begun to accept — Manning’s career is over. One dirty, Suh neck wrench/helmet removal could easily lead to permanent disability for the man.

    See if you can find another role for Manning in the organization if you must, but get him off the field for his own safety. Hell, you might even save his life.

    Besides, with this year’s record and the housecleaning underway, next year is already set up to be a big rebuilding year. Might as well rebuild with someone healthy who can give you several years instead of someone who is literally a play-to-play decision.

    Even without Manning, they can’t really be much worse than they were this year.

  78. pc29 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM

    While Manning and Polian may not have seen eye to eye on the future, this move also has to do with Polian’s lack of talent he is taking out of the draft over the past 6 seasons. Peyton has clearly held this team together year after year, terrible defense and all.

    I’m not sure why it’s a ‘shocker’ Chris Polian was showed the door though, the man did not earn the position he had, nepotism at its finest. Daddy can’t stick up for him now.

  79. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM

    Sad to see a guy who used to be a good/great GM devolve into the whiner he became. When the Patriots were regularly waxing the Colts in the early 2000′s he had a million excuses none of which involved the talent and mental toughness of his team. Good riddence! Didn’t thing Isray had the chops to do it.

  80. thobel says: Jan 2, 2012 3:06 PM

    wasn’t Caldwell the offensive coordinator? if they get rid of him, who will be the next coordinator?

  81. jayquintana says: Jan 2, 2012 3:06 PM

    The Colts should do Caldwell a favor and just fire him already. What’s the point of not doing it now? They can’t seriously be thinking of bringing him back.

  82. ravensruleandharbaughisgod says: Jan 2, 2012 3:06 PM

    Super dooper wow!

  83. bluvayner says: Jan 2, 2012 3:07 PM

    Polian will always be remembered as the guy who tanked his team, with a perfect season on the line. That’s where he lost his team.

  84. 6ball says: Jan 2, 2012 3:07 PM

    .

    Belichick will need the bye week to get himself to stop laughing.

    .

  85. rameyag says: Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM

    No team should collapse over the loss of one player — even one of Peyton Manning’s caliber.

    The lack of a meaningful contingency plan in light of the risk of an NFL quarterback to injury is pretty shocking.

    The Steelers had Charlie Batch to occasionally limp along, for example, but the Colts had virtually nothing.

    A good time to move on.

  86. kjs7way says: Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM

    GO BRONCOS!!!!!!

  87. ninefingers9 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:11 PM

    With the 3rd pick in the 2012 draft…the Minnesota Vikings choose…Andrew Luck!

  88. bluewinger says: Jan 2, 2012 3:15 PM

    I feel your pain.

  89. goindy2006 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:16 PM

    Wow a late Christmas present for me and colts fans!!! Just need to finish the job one more firing to go!!! Woohoo it’s a blood bath in Indy!

  90. dave1961 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:17 PM

    could Peyton Manning be headed to Cleveland?

  91. dave1961 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:22 PM

    Perhaps Peyton Manning will run the front office and retire in Indy….

  92. adkfootballfan says: Jan 2, 2012 3:23 PM

    Suddenly, the Pats front office isn’t looking too bad…

  93. dablitz2 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:23 PM

    Wow, some fans are so unrealistic. Under Bill Polian, the Colts have been a dominant team for over a decade. No team wins the Super Bowl every year. The Colts have been one of the most successful franchises in sports.

    Just wait, these same fans will be calling for the head of the next guy in 2 or 3 years.

  94. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 3:24 PM

    The Manning/Polian era was a failure..1 SB in 10 years..time to move on. The Colts need to dump Manning, get a QB (Luck), and build their Defense. Then they might win multiple championships. Passing for a lot of yards and many playoff losses does not constitute success. In 30 years, there will be dozens of QBs with more passing yards. Colts mis-spent on offensive talent at the expense of the defense….and it didn’t work. How did the C0lts win their 1 SB?…their defense played lights out in the playoffs…..

  95. progress2011 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:25 PM

    I think if the ownership got rid of the Chairman & GM, to keep a qb, that may or may not be productive again, would be a mistake.

    Peyton has never been confused with an athletic qb, with the ability to elude giant defensive men.

    Therefore, it is only a matter of time before he is hit and hit hard. At that time, the question will be asked ” HOW MANY SURGERIES DID HE HAVE ON HIS NECK ” !!!

    He has an extremely long chicken neck and since the c-spine in the neck protects all of your bodies nerves, I believe if he is hit too hard, he could risk a life threatening injury.

    I believe Peyton should retire, for that reason. His days in an NFL uniform are severely numbered !

    Therefore the Colts new Chairman & Gm should still draft a qb as their number one draft pick.

  96. dedmedic says: Jan 2, 2012 3:26 PM

    Hey dafixisin, at least the pats went 11-5 with no Brady , so it’s not really a fair comparison, the colts allowed Payton to influence all aspects of the team, the patriots are still team based , not player based, and they can function at a competitive level with a back up QB, which the colts proved they could not. and to all you Belichick haters that’s called good coaching.

  97. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 3:27 PM

    All this about Manning holding the Colts together is crap. The Colts were bad this year because they had no “practiced” QB as a contingency…which is unbelievable. If they had Orlofsky in the systems for a couple years and this happened, the Colts would have been 9-7 ish!

  98. rexachss says: Jan 2, 2012 3:27 PM

    I don’t know what the heck all this blubbering is about we in Buffalo should take Polian back, give him the keys and get the heck out of the way with open arms! !!!!!!

  99. charger383 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:30 PM

    Wonder what they will use that big name college coach that had a little problem over in Ohio and they hired to keep count of the time outs?

  100. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 3:30 PM

    Caldwell = great example of affirmative action!

  101. goawayeverybody says: Jan 2, 2012 3:31 PM

    Irsay needs to be committed and fast. There’s no way Manning ever achieves the form he had before. The Colts need Andrew Luck whether they are willing to admit it or not.

  102. phinfan2006 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:31 PM

    Ross in Miami should dump Ireland immediately and bring in Bill Polian as GM. He was a winner in Buffalo and Indy… but his going with Caldwell as Head Coach could have been his downfall there.

  103. deadeye says: Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM

    Considering that Peyton has been shown to be able to carry a franchise with very little talent, where could he play for one last SB run? The team would need to have decent talent everywhere except QB. Here are a few choices:

    1) Seattle
    2) Miami
    3) KC
    4) Arizona
    5) SF

  104. emmac13 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM

    Irsay’s quote basically says Caldwells and Mannings hands were tied. They recieved no help from the Polians. The Colts lacked talent and playmakers.

  105. dablitz2 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:38 PM

    Do these people realize that for the past decade, the Patriots, Steelers, and Ravens have also been in the AFC. I hear someone complaining about only winning one Superbowl in 10 years.

    Well, there are 32 teams in the league. Do the math. About the best you can do is put the team in position to be in the hunt. The Colts have been in that spot for a decade.

    If they had beaten the Patriots and Steelers once or twice more, I suppose you would be saying Belichick and Cowher were failures. Almost no teams win the Superbowl several times a decade. Your expectations are unrealistic and you will always be unsatisfied.

  106. 4evrnyt says: Jan 2, 2012 3:38 PM

    If Irsay is going to do things right he’ll hire a new GM and then let them make the coaching decision.

  107. dave1961 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:39 PM

    hope tom heckert gm of the browns looks at your free agents and roster w a fine tooth comb…. your rebuilding might be Cleveland’s saving grace….

  108. bensstinkyfingers says: Jan 2, 2012 3:40 PM

    My sources tell me Indy has a deal in place to trade Manning to Cleveland for one of their 1rst rounders this year and one next year. just a waiting game now.

  109. rajbais says: Jan 2, 2012 3:41 PM

    Either both left voluntarily because they can’t stand the authentic and open Jim Irsay or Mort (like the the typical media kiss ass to the “Exclusive” Bill Polian) is covering up a firing to continue to have access to Polian.

  110. adx321 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:41 PM

    adkfootballfan says:
    Jan 2, 2012 3:23 PM
    Suddenly, the Pats front office isn’t looking too bad…

    really? They haven’t won a playoff game in 4 years

    And a lot of that is due to bad drafts of defensive talent

  111. 6thsense79 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:42 PM

    I see plenty of fans here downing on the Polians and no matter what you may think about them they were at the head of one of the most remarkably high performing and consistant team run in NFL history. They were responsible for drafting Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai, Linebacker Marcus Washington who was plenty useful, Robert Mathis, Cato June, Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, etc….

    Most of those players listed have made at least one pro bowl (for what it’s worth). Most of those players listed were keys to sustaining the Colt’s stunningly long run of success.

    As a Redskins fan I can only pray we get front office executives like the Polians. They hit more than missed during their tenure and that’s something to be admired in a league and sport were evaluation of talent from college to the pros is so difficult…..This isn’t basketball where you can spot a Superstar in high school and be relatively right. A little respect here people.

  112. rajbais says: Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM

    By the way, when did Manning and Polian have friction???

    I thought the Colts had a “class organization” and Manning was the “Ultimate character guy”!!!!

  113. 6thsense79 says: Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM

    golonger says:Jan 2, 2012 3:24 PM

    The Manning/Polian era was a failure..1 SB in 10 years..time to move on. The Colts need to dump Manning, get a QB (Luck), and build their Defense. Then they might win multiple championships. Passing for a lot of yards and many playoff losses does not constitute success. In 30 years, there will be dozens of QBs with more passing yards. Colts mis-spent on offensive talent at the expense of the defense….and it didn’t work. How did the C0lts win their 1 SB?…their defense played lights out in the playoffs…..
    ——————————-
    Wow…a failure? Really??? To end each season year in and year out in contention for a Superbowl is a failure? If that’s the case there are maybe only 2 teams over the pass decade that are not failures using your rediculous definition of “failure”. Some “fans” are rediculous.

  114. patsfiend says: Jan 2, 2012 3:47 PM

    Jets imploding and Polians getting canned. It’s truly a great day for all Pats fans! Happy New Year, Billy B!

  115. Little Earthquake says: Jan 2, 2012 3:47 PM

    Once the star player starts running the office, watch out. Happened in Green Bay with Favre and the Washington Wizards with Michael Jordan. If Peyton comes back the Colts will still win plenty of games, but he’s going to have the coaches and GM by the balls.

    We’ll see what happens in the draft but if Luck is the best player and the Colts don’t take him, they’re fools.

  116. nygdefenserules says: Jan 2, 2012 3:48 PM

    Rumors of Peyton Manning to the Redskins in 5….4…..3….2…..1…..

  117. themackstrong says: Jan 2, 2012 3:48 PM

    After the Thursday Night Game featuring the Colts I remember being blown away that Mike Mayock said stated that Polian had done an excellent job. I thought outside of Manning they have missed too many times in the draft and that shows with the product they had on the field this year. Glad to see ownership doesn’t think GM was going a good job and cleaned house.

  118. hmpennypacker says: Jan 2, 2012 3:48 PM

    I don’t think this changes the who the Colts pick. They still draft Luck, or get a ransom for the pick, from say the Redskins, which would need to be at least the #1 picks for 2012 – 2014, and take RG3. I say the Redskins because if you look at the teams drafting 2 to 5 none look like drafting a qb. The Browns might but they need to stick with McCoy and give him someone to throw to.

    Theoretically we could see a trade on a greater scale than the one the Saints pulled to get Ricky Williams. This would give Indy multiple picks in this and the next few drafts and allow them to reload a lot quicker.

    On the subject of Fisher, having coached the Titans for so long would he coach again in the same division?

  119. avianflew says: Jan 2, 2012 3:51 PM

    The only way they’ll draft Lucky McLuck is if ol’ BigHead Chokey Manning et al. agree to it and they can afford it. They’ll use Green Bay/Favre/Rodgers as the model.

    It would be suicide to just cut Chokey Manning because the fans would revolt and if Lucky busts, they would put Irsay’s head on a stick, parading it through Indianapolis.

    Lots of things need to fall in place.

  120. Land Snark says: Jan 2, 2012 3:55 PM

    @dablitz2 :

    “Wow, some fans are so unrealistic. Under Bill Polian, the Colts have been a dominant team for over a decade. No team wins the Super Bowl every year. The Colts have been one of the most successful franchises in sports.”

    Correction. Under Manning the Colts have won quite a bit, but only one Super Bowl. In the meanwhile the Steelers have won two out of three Super Bowls and the Patriots have won three out of four during Polian’s tenure. He could have done better.

  121. izzop says: Jan 2, 2012 3:56 PM

    He should also be fired from the competition committee

  122. Land Snark says: Jan 2, 2012 3:58 PM

    Why don’t they just promote Manning to the Head Coach position and let him run the offense? He’s been doing it for years now, all he’d need would be a solid DC to run the other side of the ball.

  123. brenenostler says: Jan 2, 2012 3:59 PM

    @dablitz2

    Polian needed to go. We were not one of the most successful franchises. Neither Brady nor Roethlisberger have been in the league as long as Peyton and both have more Super Bowl rings. And it’s very likely that Eli will finish with more rings.

    Polian has not given Peyton a defense to win with. Every year we have a crappy defense and Polian has insisted on drafting offensive players. The last time we drafted a defensive player was 2009, and the guy sits behind Mathis and Freeney.

    Besides that, our first round draft picks never live up to expectations. I think the last one that did was Dallas Clark.

    Also, Polian took away our 16-0 season in 2009. The only time we’ve ever not rested our starters was in 2006, which is the only year we’ve won the Super Bowl. With Manning anyway.

  124. httr73 says: Jan 2, 2012 4:00 PM

    Dear Disgruntled Colts Fan,

    We will happily trade our last 10 years for your last 10 years.

    Sincerely,

    Disgruntled Redskins Fans

  125. cletusvandam says: Jan 2, 2012 4:02 PM

    What do you think Jim Caldwell is doing right now after hearing this news?
    If you guessed sitting in his office staring blankly at the walls showing no emotions you are probably correct

  126. j0esixpack says: Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM

    One wonders if this is a pre-emotive move by Irsay to allay the ire of a Commission who might not be happy about a poorly concealed “Suck for Luck” season.

  127. nwfisch says: Jan 2, 2012 4:04 PM

    Earth to Bears. Earth to Bears.

  128. effjohntaylornorelation says: Jan 2, 2012 4:06 PM

    This is good news for Colts fan. The Polian nepotism stranglehold is over!

  129. raiderlyfe510 says: Jan 2, 2012 4:09 PM

    100% behind this move..get a GM who knows how to build a complete team.

    Anybody who thinks Offense wins championships just needs to look at Polian’s history.

  130. grogansheroes says: Jan 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    dafixisin says:
    Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM
    No one has benefited more from the singular contribution of their QB (outside of Belichick) than the Polians.

    Healthy franchise QB= job security for all involved.
    =========================
    Belichick won 11 games without his HOF QB.

  131. pastabelly says: Jan 2, 2012 4:12 PM

    One championship with Manning, Faulk, James, Freeney, Saturday, Harrison, Wayne, Brackett and company and they let the team go to hell. Goodbye and good riddance.

  132. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:13 PM

    6thsense79 – yes, A FAILURE

    1) When you base you whole organizational success on offense and a “HOF” QB and they can’t get it done..its a failure
    2) Consistently winning a typically bad division and making the playoffs based on that….you call that SUCCESS
    3) Manning couldn’t carry them, he isn’t that type of QB..he was given more talent on offense than probably any QB in history. You leverage your success in that manner and it doesn’t work?…failure
    4) Carrying a mediocre playoff record is a failure
    5) You win one SB entirely based on the fact that your defense…which was the worst in the NFL in regular season and somehow the BEST in the playoffs..carries you……

    …yes FAILURE!

  133. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM

    “The only time we’ve ever not rested our starters was in 2006, which is the only year we’ve won the Super Bowl. With Manning anyway”

    The only SBs you have been to IS with Manning knucklehead!!

  134. mobuccsfan says: Jan 2, 2012 4:17 PM

    I see Peyton hanging it up this year. I think it is time for him to take a role on the sidelines or in the front office, although I think he would benefit and do well by being an Offensive coach, possibly even the OC. Hell, he is the OC anyways. It will depend on if he can swallow his pride and realize that quitting now is probably what is best for himself and his family moving forward. Was a great regular season player and I would say top 10, maybe top 5 ever to play quarterback. Yes, he didn’t always have a great team around him but he did also flat out choke several times, anyway you slice it. I think it is funny because last night during the Cowboys and Giants game, I was talking to my roommate.

    Here is what I feel: Eli is better in the clutch and very well could win another Superbowl before all is said and done. Eli isn’t Peyton because he doesn’t get out on a lot of teams, like he probably should. Peyton was good for getting lead and putting games away, whereas Eli is the opposite, thus I think if the Giants are hot in this post-season or any of the next three to four post-seasons, watch out. I truly feel Eli could win a second ring.

  135. mwcarolina says: Jan 2, 2012 4:17 PM

    The Manning/Polian era was a failure
    ————————————————————
    WOW, as a Redskins fan i would love that failure for my team for the next 10 years. sorry, but they werent failures. were they the best tandem, no, BUT at least you have that Super Bowl to love, at least (before the injury) that you had a franchise QB, something the Redskins havent had.

  136. buzzardpointlookout says: Jan 2, 2012 4:19 PM

    Now they need to yank the batteries out of the Caldwell-Bot and get a living, breathing football coach in there.

  137. skippyx says: Jan 2, 2012 4:21 PM

    Polian is easy to pick on since he is so gruff and arrogant but it is hard to deny his production.
    He was the GM for the late 80s to 90s Bills and I think he took the Panthers from expansion to he NFCCG in 2 years. Add that with the Colts run and he should be able to get a new job pretty quickly.

    He might have to leave his son out and actually care about the backup QB this time. (odd since he had a great one in Reich (Buffalo) and a solid one in Beuerline(Carolina))

  138. infectorman says: Jan 2, 2012 4:25 PM

    @franbotel:
    “For once nepotism fails”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Your context suggests that it often succeeds?
    What makes you think it wouldn’t fail with the same frequency as a non-nepotism situation?
    Failure is an “equal opportunity outcome” ;
    it has no skin in the game of a father/mother hiring offspring.
    NEPOTISM is the bane of the existence of quality people and their opportunites in life.
    Nepotism is FRAUD, more often than not…

  139. infectorman says: Jan 2, 2012 4:32 PM

    dcpatfan says:
    Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM
    I personally can’t wait to see how Belichick scavenges off this joke franchise.

    *******************************************

    Eighty Seven – the baddest man on the planet and Perrennial Patriot Killer – would look awfully nice in Patriot Blue. Knocking D. Branch into the WR3 spot and pushin Ocho Stinko into the Bingo Hall.

  140. rajuncajun28 says: Jan 2, 2012 4:38 PM

    Dolts. What a pathetic state So glad to be a Saints fan and looking forward to Lombardi #2…yep, that’s right, haters, we are on our way to another…Who Dat, We Dat….

    Stay classy and keep hating….

  141. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:39 PM

    mwcarolina – well, anything to a Redskin fan would be considered a success….like an 8-8 record!

    But when you have a QB who is labeled as one of the top 5 QBs in history..who has been given all the talent in the world on offense…and all you can manage is 1 SB win on the back of your defense….yes…it is a failure….a conceptual failure….from the onset!

  142. 6thsense79 says: Jan 2, 2012 4:40 PM

    golonger says:Jan 2, 2012 4:13 PM

    6thsense79 – yes, A FAILURE

    1) When you base you whole organizational success on offense and a “HOF” QB and they can’t get it done..its a failure
    2) Consistently winning a typically bad division and making the playoffs based on that….you call that SUCCESS
    3) Manning couldn’t carry them, he isn’t that type of QB..he was given more talent on offense than probably any QB in history. You leverage your success in that manner and it doesn’t work?…failure
    4) Carrying a mediocre playoff record is a failure
    5) You win one SB entirely based on the fact that your defense…which was the worst in the NFL in regular season and somehow the BEST in the playoffs..carries you……

    …yes FAILURE!
    —————————————————
    So the only way any tenure is considered a success in your eyes is basically if they become a dynasty……I don’t think you know much about football and how hard it is to win Superbowls much less division titles year after year. Fans like you and unrealistic expectations are are just plain silly…..again like my previous post stated the only two succesfull NFL teams this past 10 years under your definition for what counts as success are the Patriots and the Steelers….that’s it. Do you know how rediculous that sounds???

    The Colts went 1-1 in the Superbowl the last ten years (Since 2001). The Pats….the closes thing we’ve seen to a dynasty the past 10 years or so went 3-1. Pittsburgh went 2-1. Giants went 1-1.
    No other organization in a league of 32 teams has made it to more than 1 Super Bowl the pass ten years. I have a feeling I’m wasting my time with you but I said it before and I’ll say it again you are rediculous.

  143. snccoach says: Jan 2, 2012 4:42 PM

    It amazes me how ungrateful fans are and how they quickly forget. I’m not a Colts fan, but from 1998-present besides the Pats there isn’t another franchise that has been as dominant as the Colts. Find me another franchise with a better winning percentage, Super Bowl appearances, etc.)

    I would love if my NFL team had executive management that was a “failure” like the Colts for the past 14 years.

  144. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:42 PM

    Word has it the Patriots are in need of a back-up and are looking to sign Manning…at least Manning could learn how to perform in the clutch…LOL!

  145. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:44 PM

    mobuccsfan – please dont think about football any longer!!!!!!

  146. chetwynnr says: Jan 2, 2012 4:44 PM

    Good news!! Matt Millen is available.

  147. nesuperfan says: Jan 2, 2012 4:50 PM

    dcpatfan says:Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM

    I personally can’t wait to see how Belichick scavenges off this joke franchise.
    __________________________________

    You do realize that we are not likely to play them yearly now? We always played them because we finished first in the division, and they finished first in the division.

    Until we start finishing in the same spot (first, second, third or fourth), we will only see them when we play that entire division once every three years.

  148. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 4:53 PM

    6thsense79

    1) Learn how to spell “ridiculous”…not rediculous.
    2) There have been many other successful franchises…..
    3) If one has a “HOF QB”…one should win more than they have….Manning is over-rated but…

    Gee…seems like the Ravens, Packers, Saints, Giants, Cowboys, Steelers, Titans, Rams and many other franchises have won as well….and they haven’t coasted into the playoffs winning a lame division. They have actually had to battle to get their. People always seem to forget the Colts trio of Harrison, Manning and James…were once heralded as the new Cowboys trio…now everyone says he NEVER had any talent around him…THAT is RIDICULOUS

    Bottom line – you have a suppossed top 5 QB of all time (not the case but) and all you can muster is 1 SB (and that SB was IN SPITE of Manning, just look at his horrible stats that playoff year).

  149. mistrezzrachael says: Jan 2, 2012 4:57 PM

    Polian was the miserable bastard who brought on the 5 yard rule…and ruined football. All we see now are officials.

    Guess he saw too much of Ty Law.

    Glad to see him gone…They should have done so 3 years ago.

  150. hmpennypacker says: Jan 2, 2012 4:58 PM

    Didn’t Polian get the rules changed in favour of the offense after the Colts wr’s got mugged in a play off game against the Pats? This is how he was able to put a medicore defense together and still stay competitive.

    If the Colts are keeping Manning he should restructure his contract so Wayne, Brackett, Garcon and Mathis can be resigned. Gonzalez and Colley are injury cases and need to be cut though.

  151. brenenostler says: Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM

    @ thobel

    Caldwell may have called the plays but Clyde Christensen is the OC

  152. dablitz2 says: Jan 2, 2012 5:01 PM

    Some of you people would complain if you won the lottery and only won $100 million instead of $200 million. If you expect to win 4 or 5 Super Bowls over 10 years, get real.

    I understand that the Colts had a bunch of talent- Newsflash- so did the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Eagles, etc. Only one team wins a Super Bowl per year. If a new team won it every year, it would take 32 years until a team repeated. The GM puts a team in position to win it all. The coach and players win once they are in the playoffs. The Polians put the Colts in the hunt every year for over a decade.

    You people who are complaining are never going to be happy. As someone who has a dad who is a lifelong Lions fan and a best friend who is a Browns fan, something tells me fate will teach you would real failure is at some point.

  153. brenenostler says: Jan 2, 2012 5:02 PM

    @ golonger

    I said “With Manning anyway” because the Colts also won Super Bowl 5. So thanks for your comment.

  154. 6thsense79 says: Jan 2, 2012 5:07 PM

    6thsense79

    1) Learn how to spell “ridiculous”…not rediculous.
    2) There have been many other successful franchises…..
    3) If one has a “HOF QB”…one should win more than they have….Manning is over-rated but…
    ———————————
    Thanks for the spelling lesson. You get a gold star.

    You haven’t answered my question…..The Colts are one of 3 organizations to appear in multiple championships this pass decade yet you consider them failures. Am I to assume the only two organizations you consider a success are the Patriots and the Steelers??? Can you answer that one question? I’m using your definition of success here.

  155. cantonbound13 says: Jan 2, 2012 5:14 PM

    Wake up Ross!!!! You should be doing the same to Ireland!

  156. waltdawg says: Jan 2, 2012 5:23 PM

    Skins should use their Draft Pick on the Polian group…Serious…These guys are rock solid and much better talent evaluators than Mike and Kyle!

  157. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 5:46 PM

    “Can you answer that one question? I’m using your definition of success here.”

    Let me be a little MORE clear for the feeble minded such as yourself…what do the three organizations you mentioned have in common? They both have HOF QBS on their roster. Given that, the Steelers and Patriots achieved….the Colts UNDERACHIEVED. The Packers have 1 SB win and probably will get more with Rodgers….the Saints have one…probably will be another…

    The point is…I am not basing success on a comparison to crap teams such as the Redskins, Raiders, or Browns…I am basing it on teams WITH a HOF or POTENTIAL HOF QB…..

    Using that barometer…Colts have UNDERACHIEVED Period….saying a team or system is a success based on ther fact that they make the playoffs means nothing…especially when they SHOULD make the playoffs given their division, etc…that is NOT the barometer for a team with a lot of offensive talent AND a HOF QB….and neither is 9-10 wining % in the playoffs….if you think that is success, you must be a Browns or Redskin fan.

  158. clu1perceiver says: Jan 2, 2012 5:47 PM

    Polian allowed Peyton Manning to become the Colts. No where else in the league does (or did) a player have such overwhelming influence.The Colts don’t have a system they have Peytons’ unique skill set and obsessively driven work ethic. He is the control freaks control freak when it comes to running “his” team. The ironic thing about this is that it shows how admirable traits can be taken to excess.

  159. thestillcity says: Jan 2, 2012 6:06 PM

    The Polian Era is disappointing, because Manning has/had the talent to win multiple championships, not just one.

    They’ve never had the offensive line talent to run the ball and the defense was consistently overrated the entire duration. Yes, even Freeney and Mathis, who can rack up sacks and not much else.

  160. rushmatic says: Jan 2, 2012 6:07 PM

    dafixisin says:
    Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM
    No one has benefited more from the singular contribution of their QB (outside of Belichick) than the Polians.

    Healthy franchise QB= job security for all involved.

    _________________

    Sorry, but the Patriots are the opposite of this philosophy. Yes, they’ve benefitted from having their franchise player every year (except 2009), as any team does, but when guys go down, others step up. They practice like Hoyer is going to play at any moment. They’ve gone through QB’s as much as any position, to ensure that if Brady went down again, they’d be ready.

  161. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 6:08 PM

    brenenostler – No, the Baltimore Colts won SB 5!

  162. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 6:10 PM

    thestillcity – wrong, go look at the Pro Bowl rosters….Manning has always had a great line!…and Edgirren (sp?) James was a great back!

  163. thestillcity says: Jan 2, 2012 6:35 PM

    A Pro Bowl nomination means about as much as your empty argument. Manning made that line look way better than were, making play adjustments and getting rid of the ball before pressure arrived.

    We saw the same thing in St. Louis and Arizona when Kurt Warner left each. All the sudden these great O-lines couldn’t play anymore.

  164. golonger says: Jan 2, 2012 7:10 PM

    thestillcity – that is crap…Jeff Saturday is one of the better centers in the NFL…still. Your assertions are empty.

    1) Bad players do not go to the Pro Bowl
    2) If you knew anything about football, you would realize the line makes adjustments on their own…Manning doesn’t do it
    3) He gets rid of the ball early because he is immobile. Yes, that makes the line seem to perform better (less sacks) but it is (was) still up to them to protect him…and they did so very well.
    4) Your last statements is moronic. O-Lines dont all of a sudden “not be able to play”

    You know nothing about football…sorry!

  165. popolover says: Jan 2, 2012 8:29 PM

    Well my boys are out the door. THANK YOU JIMMY. Sweet for anyone who has had to deal wwith Bill’s wrath. Evil, scary man. Funny he ruined his career just to get his son a job. BYE BYE Bill and Chrisissy!

  166. mgscott says: Jan 2, 2012 9:39 PM

    The rumor around the colts facility is that blue and white sweater vests will be handed out to the media one day before they name the new head coach.

  167. philtration says: Jan 2, 2012 9:55 PM

    skittlesareyum says: Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM

    I don’t follow the Colts all that much, but am I the only one not surprised? Teams should not suddenly go 2-14 with the same coach minus your starting QB. The GM has to take a lot of the blame in that situation.
    ==================================

    Bingo!
    Now try telling that to the owners in Chicago.
    Instead of cleaning house they are counting the money and bragging about being “1-0 for 2012″

  168. mataug says: Jan 2, 2012 11:35 PM

    I have a feeling that Irsay fired Bill Polian only because Bill was stubborn about not letting Chris Polian go. Chris Polian’s been calling the shots and Jim Irsay probably wanted to get rid of him & had to fire the father also for that to happen ?

  169. jasonculhane says: Jan 3, 2012 9:25 AM

    Good. This guy has been riding on the shoulders of Peyton Manning since he’s been drafted, its clearly obvious that after this year this team was never as good as Polian thought or claimed they were. When your a 2-14 team like Parcells said everyone’s job is in jeoperdy. Polian gave out too many free passes to guys he drafted vs guys he either inherited or brought in through free agency. He thinks he’s such a draft guru that he tried desperately to stick it out until the end with guys like Bob Sanders, Jerry Hughes,Ugoh and Gonzales, didn’t matter if he was hurting the team or not, they were his “pet project players” so they get the “free pass” to stay injured, get paid, meanwhile guys like Ben Utect, Jake Scott, Ryan Lilja guys who were actually healthy and contributed he blindly let go for no reason at all.

  170. bozosforall says: Jan 5, 2012 2:53 PM

    golonger says:
    Jan 2, 2012 4:53 PM
    6thsense79

    1) Learn how to spell “ridiculous”…not rediculous.
    2) There have been many other successful franchises…..
    3) If one has a “HOF QB”…one should win more than they have….Manning is over-rated but…

    Gee…seems like the Ravens, Packers, Saints, Giants, Cowboys, Steelers, Titans, Rams and many other franchises have won as well….and they haven’t coasted into the playoffs winning a lame division. They have actually had to battle to get their. People always seem to forget the Colts trio of Harrison, Manning and James…were once heralded as the new Cowboys trio…now everyone says he NEVER had any talent around him…THAT is RIDICULOUS

    Bottom line – you have a suppossed top 5 QB of all time (not the case but) and all you can muster is 1 SB (and that SB was IN SPITE of Manning, just look at his horrible stats that playoff year).

    __
    Marino didn’t win any Super Bowls, yet he is arguably a Top 5 QB based upon individual performance.

    Basing QB ranking on Super Bowl wins is ludicrous…since it takes an entire team to win any game, much less a Super Bowl.

  171. golonger says: Jan 8, 2012 1:18 AM

    “Marino didn’t win any Super Bowls, yet he is arguably a Top 5 QB based upon individual performance.

    Basing QB ranking on Super Bowl wins is ludicrous…since it takes an entire team to win any game, much less a Super Bowl.”

    Spoken like a true Manning apologist…forgetting the SBs, let’s look at his playoff record…mediocre….if it wasnt for a few bad Chiefs and Broncos teams, his record would be even worse.

    Also…..its funny how it is Manning doing everything and how it is Manning’s team during the REGULAR season but when one gets to the PLAYOFFS…it is a team game. Typical. It is either one or the other. Yes…SBs ONLY doesn’t tell all…but SBs, playoffs and overall resume tells the story….and all Manning has managed to do is get Colts teams to playoffs coming from a typically weak division…and in an age of bad teams making the playoffs….not much of an accomplishment, sorry!

  172. kingpel says: Jan 8, 2012 4:15 PM

    Caldwell is obviously the worst coach in the NFL. Keeping him around is pointless. He has shown exactly what he is worth without Manning at the helm. No way that team should have been that bad.

    Caldwell is a joke.

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