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NBC SportsTalk crew discusses NFL MVP

On Monday’s network-launching edition of NBC SportsTalk, on the brand-new NBC Sports Network, Rodney Harrison, Peter King, Russ Thaler, and yours truly talked about whether Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or someone else should be the league’s MVP.

Though we spent plenty of time on the 110-minute show disagreeing, we agreed on this one.

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  1. jgo304 says: Jan 2, 2012 7:25 PM

    Brees had 3 bad games Rodgers had 1 (advantage Rodgers)

    Bree’s broke Dan Marino’s yardage mark but Rodgers did the unthinkable and beat Mannings QB Rating Mark (Push)

    Packers 15-1 Saint 12-4 (Advantage Rodgers)

    Head to head matchup Win for the Pack (Advantage Rodgers)

    Nobody and i repeat NOBODY has ever played at the level Rodgers has played dating back to the playoffs last year. He has been nearly PERFECT. The MVP should go to Rodgers.

  2. sakatak says: Jan 2, 2012 7:31 PM

    Brees may have had an MVP season, but Rodgers was better. Rodgers wins.

  3. vickspuppy says: Jan 2, 2012 7:35 PM

    Brees had 155 more passing attempts than Rodgers which is equivalent to about 4 more games. Even with that, he only threw 1 more TD pass than Rodgers, while playing in 11 dome games.

    Aaron Rodgers is the clear cut MVP of the NFL. Don’t let Brees’ selfish record-chasing play over the past two weeks cloud your judgment.

  4. tbbucs1638 says: Jan 2, 2012 7:37 PM

    no its most valuable player as in most valuable to their team, after watching matt flynn yesterday it shows anybody can do good n that offense. flynn did what no qb has ever done n green bay, not favre not rodgers! he set the passing yards and td record for the pack n a single gm!!! 480 yds 6 tds!!! think about it…any qb can do good n green bay! rodgers is way overrated n my eyes

  5. eballa1 says: Jan 2, 2012 7:39 PM

    Drew Brees, Drew Brees, Drew Brees … MVP!

  6. nikkodawg says: Jan 2, 2012 7:39 PM

    Nobody and i repeat NOBODY has ever played at the level Rodgers has played dating back to the playoffs last year. He has been nearly PERFECT. The MVP should go to Rodgers.

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    I know 2007 was a long time ago, but Brady threw 50 TDs and only 8 INTs. I think that’s at least on rodgers’ level.

    And when the back up comes in and throws for 480 and 6 TDs, I think it’s safe to say Karen Rodgers benefits from a great offensive coach and great weapons.

    I don’t want to take anything away from him because he’s playing great, but you saw how good that GB offense can be without Rodgers.

    Brees is the MVP!

  7. tokyosandblaster says: Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM

    Right… it couldn’t be that Flynn is just good.

    It has to take away Rodgers’ ability.

    Also, we should take away Brady’s 2007 MVP, because look what cassel did the next year. Anyone could do well in New England, right?

    Wrong.

    Rodgers is the MVP.

    Brees is second best.

  8. teal379 says: Jan 2, 2012 8:20 PM

    What Flynn had going for him is Rodgers making the play calls into him via head set during the no-huddle and a completely horrible Detroit secondary.

    They were flat out picking on Smith.

    Aaron’s had the better year, there’s no question of that. MVP’s lock down home field during the playoffs, MVP’s don’t throw 5 multiple INT games in a season, MVP’s put TEAM before all else.

    Aaron’s done all of that. The Packers can’t franchise Flynn (and trade) because Flynn would then make more than Aaron. In other words Aaron isn’t even paid like a top 5 QB but is arguably in the top 3 at ANY given time.

    Compare that with Brees who still hasn’t signed a deal with NoLa. Lots of talk about numbers and if Brees isn’t willing to sign for what’s sure to be top 5 QB money offered – what’s more important to him? Cash or the team keeping good players around him? Remember the yelling about Peyton’s contract and it not allowing the Colts to add talent? How’d that work for them?

  9. shlort says: Jan 2, 2012 8:20 PM

    Rodgers definately deserves the award. Every QB in the league was chasing Rodgers all season. 14 wins as a starter with his statistics.. Brees is great, but Rodgers is greater. All the nay-sayers on this topic are NO Saints fans and they hate the fact that someone else played better than their guy.

  10. shlort says: Jan 2, 2012 8:22 PM

    Oh, and the Flynn argument is already stale. If Rodgers would have started that game, he would have thrown for 600 yards and 8 TDs.

  11. ruppert1 says: Jan 2, 2012 8:24 PM

    Oh yeah, sure. Anybody can throw for 6 TDs in Green Bay. Obviously Favre was no good, either then? Yeah, okay…

    Brees is the MVP of playing for the camera. All that pre-game breakdown garbage? Purely for the camera. And that post-game speech after he rubbed in the score on Atlanta to break a record? That was almost laughable. Totally contrived, too.

    Put Rodgers in a dome all year and watch his numbers run up like a pinball machine. He’s clearly the best player on the best team. There is no intelligent, valid argument.

  12. str8up12 says: Jan 2, 2012 8:31 PM

    He’s not even the best QB on his team but somehow you want me to believe he was the best player in the NFL.

  13. carlsaganist says: Jan 2, 2012 8:31 PM

    jgo304 says:
    Jan 2, 2012 7:25 PM
    Brees had 3 bad games Rodgers had 1 (advantage Rodgers)

    Bree’s broke Dan Marino’s yardage mark but Rodgers did the unthinkable and beat Mannings QB Rating Mark (Push)

    Packers 15-1 Saint 12-4 (Advantage Rodgers)

    Head to head matchup Win for the Pack (Advantage Rodgers)

    Nobody and i repeat NOBODY has ever played at the level Rodgers has played dating back to the playoffs last year. He has been nearly PERFECT. The MVP should go to Rodgers.

  14. claymaker says: Jan 2, 2012 9:07 PM

    Rodgers makes his case all while playing behind a line that gave up some of the MOST sacks in the NFL this year. Unlike NO Saints and Brees when the Packers were up BIG Rodgers gave way to Flynn before the 4th quarter began, instead of patting those stats. Look at yesterday when NO Saints kept putting Graham back in even though they were up big, just so he could try to get the TE records. Rodgers also put up those numbers without a good running game to fall back on. So in the end Rodgers deserves MVP he also shows RESPECT and ClASS and True Team Leadership!

  15. tbbucs1638 says: Jan 2, 2012 9:11 PM

    One thing, rodgers played the lions once n had 300 yds 2 tds nice try idiot he wouldnt have done anything like that

  16. detlions80 says: Jan 2, 2012 9:11 PM

    Those two teams (N.O. and G.B.) would have had the same success with half of the quarterbacks in the NFL behind center. I think Matt Flynn proved that point for G.B.. Jan. 1st. As for n.o., I don’t think it’s that big of a stretch to say the same thing could happen down there. I think as far as MVP goes, we should look for one player whose team would not have had the same success without said player. If Brees or Rodgers didn’t have the receiving corps they do, and Brees didn’t have the rushing threat he does there’s no way they put up those numbers. Compare either receiving corp to what Dan Marino had in 1984 and Marino did more with less. Without looking, if Mark Clayton was #1 and Mark Duper was #2, who was #3? Tony Nathan… a RB was 3rd in receiving yards. Nat Moore was #4. Anyone looking at this site could probably name 3 if not 4 receivers for either N.O. or G.B. I’m not trying to make a case for Marino being the best QB the game has ever scene but more that what Rodgers and Brees did this year wasn’t as amazing as it’s being made out as.

    P.S. Receivers and QBs are both given preferential treatment these days that lends itself to these kind of numbers.

  17. goawayeverybody says: Jan 2, 2012 9:13 PM

    The MVP goes to Brees. Rodgers was excellent but he had a much weaker schedule. Brees broke many records this season, including number of 300 yard games in a season, completion percentage, and the historic passing yards in a season record. Rodgers’ passer rating was truly historic but Brees is significantly more accurate.

    Now of course I do realize that Rodgers will actually win the MVP, in the same way that Peyton Manning won the award in 2009. In some ways, this will be a good omen for Brees who will go on to win the Super Bowl MVP this year when he crushes whomever the AFC opponent is.

  18. riverhorsey says: Jan 2, 2012 9:23 PM

    give it to both, well deserved

  19. jgo304 says: Jan 2, 2012 9:24 PM

    I know 2007 was a long time ago, but Brady threw 50 TDs and only 8 INTs. I think that’s at least on rodgers’ level.

    And when the back up comes in and throws for 480 and 6 TDs, I think it’s safe to say Karen Rodgers benefits from a great offensive coach and great weapons.

    I don’t want to take anything away from him because he’s playing great, but you saw how good that GB offense can be without Rodgers.

    Brees is the MVP!

    __________________________

    I know you really don’t know your football….

    Karen Rodgers?? really I take it your clearly not a Hater….

    Did Brady win a Superbowl in that stretch? I don’t think so……Then Matt Cassell came in and got a 30 Million Dollar contract in relief the next year. So I can fully say that Rodger had a better stretch.

  20. changegood says: Jan 2, 2012 9:30 PM

    Brees had a great season, but he had 15 turnovers. Rodgers only had 6 (total). They both had crazy numbers, but protecting the ball and scoring wins games.

    Brady’s 2007 was phenomenal, but he even had 11 turnovers.

    I think by any measure Rodgers had the more incredible year, not taking anything away from Brees. I would put Rodgers’ year even with Brady’s 2007 year.

  21. tsi4431 says: Jan 2, 2012 9:46 PM

    If Rodgers was a stat guy like Brees, he would of played and throw non-stop to get the same 6 td’s and beat Bradys 50td in a season. But unlike Brees, look at last week’s game for example, he isn’t going to stat pad. What Brees did against Atlanta in week 16 was embarrassing not only for the NFL but tainted Marino’s record.

    Brees’ could of easily broken the record in week 17.

  22. brewcitybummer says: Jan 2, 2012 9:55 PM

    None of Rodgers weapons are 1st rd picks or were brought in as free agents. So if you don’t give him the mvp because of his weapons, you have to give ted thompson executive of the year right?

    But thompson won’t get that award because of the defense and harbaugh will get coach of the year.

    So who exactly gets credit for 15-1?

  23. jbaxt says: Jan 2, 2012 10:07 PM

    If Brees wouldn’t have won me $350 for my fantasy league I’d say Rodgers…

  24. carlsaganist says: Jan 2, 2012 10:25 PM

    JGO304 lets see if Rodgers has a better Career. and you are out of your mind if you say he had a better season than Brady in 07 or Manning in 04.
    Rodgers still needs to win the Superbowl. otherwise i would say 50 td’s and 16-0 is a better season.
    by the way…..

    Down by three touchdowns? Simply score the next 49 points and beat the Buffalo Bills 49-21. Trailing 17-0 a week earlier? Stay calm and come back for a 27-24 win over the Miami Dolphins.

    In addition to moving into the 5,000 Passing Club, Brady also:

    • Settled into second place for most passing yards per game in a season (332.8), trailing only Brees (342.2).

    • Won his 124th regular-season game, tying Fran Tarkenton for fifth place all-time.

    • Threw his 300th career touchdown pass, tying him with John Elway for fifth all-time.

    • Finished the season with 39 touchdown passes, joining Marino as only the second player in history with two seasons with 39 or more TD passes in a season.

    There’s more. Brady threw a TD pass in all 16 games for the second straight season. He tied his own franchise record with 14 games in which he has thrown at least two TD passes. And so on, like moving into second place with the most 300-yard games in one season, with 11.

    But, really, we need to stop. So no, we’re not going to get into the fact that Brady’s 45 career 300-yard passing games are the eighth most in history.

  25. scoops1 says: Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM

    …lets not forget….McCarthy pulld A-Rodge from several games in which A-Rodge could have padded on the stats

  26. gimmeabruschi says: Jan 2, 2012 11:09 PM

    Rodgers is the MVP. It isn’t even close.

    Brees threw over 150 more passes than Rodgers to get his yards.

    If Rodgers threw 657 passes as Brees did, his 9.2 yards per attempt would put Rodgers at more than 6,000 yards!

  27. bozosforall says: Jan 2, 2012 11:20 PM

    @carlsganist

    Go slurp on Tammy Brady somewhere else.

  28. jimmysee says: Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM

    tbbucs1638 says:
    Jan 2, 2012 7:37 PM

    no its most valuable player as in most valuable to their team, after watching matt flynn yesterday it shows anybody can do good n that offense. flynn did what no qb has ever done n green bay, not favre not rodgers! he set the passing yards and td record for the pack n a single gm!!! 480 yds 6 tds!!! think about it…any qb can do good n green bay! rodgers is way overrated n my eyes

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    What that actually shows is that Flynn should be runner-up to Rodgers for MVP.

    The Rodgers-led Packers lost one game in all of 2011, and started 2012 the same way.

    Rodgers was calling the plays for Flynn during the first half!

    Rodgers should win the award.

  29. childressrulz says: Jan 3, 2012 1:20 AM

    I know 2007 was a long time ago, but Brady threw 50 TDs and only 8 INTs. I think that’s at least on rodgers’ level.
    ___________________________
    Uhm….No. Do the math 50/8 < 45/6.

  30. firethorn1001 says: Jan 3, 2012 1:48 AM

    ‘And when the back up comes in and throws for 480 and 6 TDs, I think it’s safe to say Karen Rodgers benefits from a great offensive coach and great weapons.’
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    So, good players around someone is a reason to not vote for someone?

    Last time I looked, Brees has some pretty good weapons around him along with a great offensive coach too.

    I guess you can forget Brady too since he has weapons…

    Guess that solves it.. Tebow is the MVP because he doesn’t have anything.

    What a stupid argument.

  31. mikeb4u says: Jan 3, 2012 2:08 AM

    Brees > Rodgers. Rodgers is the ultimate SYSTEM QB. Heck, Matt Flynn looked better than Rodgers.

    Brees should get the MVP, not some system QB.

  32. fresh2deafbill says: Jan 3, 2012 2:44 AM

    how about a certain player for NE…no not brady. Rob “The Beast” Gronkowski

  33. Gravy says: Jan 3, 2012 6:17 AM

    No contest.

    Rodgers.

  34. infrno says: Jan 3, 2012 8:12 AM

    I think the fact that Matt Flynn put up nearly 500 yards shows that it’s a lot more than Rodgers’ ability that’s winning games in GB.

    Brees is the better QB.

  35. nebster21 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM

    how can you say Rodgers is the team MVP when his replacement came in and had a better overall game than Aaron Rodgers has ever had?

  36. detlions80 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM

    Megatron! That’s all. Who thought Detroit would be in the playoffs this year pre-season?

  37. claymaker says: Jan 3, 2012 4:00 PM

    Why don’t they put in Chase Daniels for NO and see if the Saints designed for a system QB too? Just because a well coached back up came in and lit up the Lions doesn’t make it a system. Chances are the results would be the same in NO WHO: Just so happens to have a better OFFENSIVE LINE and a better RUNNING BACKS and a near record setting TE to go along with elite WR weapons as well.

    NO= System QB
    NE= System QB
    GB= System QB

  38. pats1995 says: Jan 3, 2012 4:53 PM

    Brady had Moss, some guy nobody knew named Welker, and that was it. Rodgers has Greg Jennings (potential HOFer) Jordy Nelson (over time potential HOFer) Jermichael Finley (Potential HOFer over time) and Donald Driver along with bunch of guys who can develop like Cobb and idk how old James Jones is but he aint bad either. Last year Brady completely revamped his offense and had one of the best seasons ever even if he didnt have the TD numbers his INT record is ridiculous.

  39. akasaintsbaby says: Jan 3, 2012 10:24 PM

    scoops1 says:
    Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM
    …lets not forget….McCarthy pulld A-Rodge from several games in which A-Rodge could have padded on the stats

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    Same thing goes for Brees. He was pulled in the third quarter several times this season where he could have padded his stats.

  40. bcgreg says: Jan 4, 2012 10:04 AM

    @tokyosandblaster

    Rodgers should be MVP. Brees and Brady are 2nd.

    As for Cassel in 2008? Well, he didn’t make the playoffs, did he? Also, he made the Pro Bowl in 2010 as the Chiefs QB. You think maybe, as someone said about Flynn, that Cassel is good to begin with?

    And, btw, Flynn just made himself a TON of cash. Between his performance in NE in 2010 and the game this past Sunday, you have to think that some QB needy team will want him a la Schaub and Cassel.

  41. bcgreg says: Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM

    Actually, league MVP is Curtis Painter. Because he sucked so bad, the Colts will now have back to back franchise QBs for another 10 year run.

  42. footballdog says: Jan 5, 2012 8:49 AM

    GRONK for MVP

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