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Flynn’s success creates a dilemma for the Packers

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When Packers quarterback Matt Flynn threw for 480 yards and six touchdowns against the Lions on Sunday, he created tongue-in-cheek questions about whether Aaron Rodgers is a system quarterback — and very real questions about Flynn’s future.

As explained in this week’s 10-pack, Flynn was the second quarterback taken by the Packers in the “make sure Brett doesn’t try to come back” draft of 2008, a seventh-round throwaway who quickly leapfrogged second-rounder Brian Brohm.  Now, with Flynn poised to become an unrestricted free agent, the Packers have to decide whether to let him walk away, or whether to try to secure compensation for him.

There’s only one viable way to make that happen — by slapping the franchise tag on Flynn and then trading him.  Though, as Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel points out, such a strategy technically violates the CBA’s requirements regarding the use of the franchise tender, it has happened before.  Most notably, it occurred in 2009, when the Patriots applied to tag to Matt Cassel after he filled in for an injured Tom Brady, starting 15 games and finishing the season opener.  New England then traded Cassel, plus linebacker Mike Vrabel, to the Chiefs for a second-round pick.

Besides, it won’t be an issue unless Flynn wants to fight it.  And why would he fight a one-year guaranteed salary in the amount of $14.5 million?  Flynn would sign the tender immediately, and then he’d wait to see what happens.

The risk for the Packers is that no other team would want to send a first-round pick (and maybe more) to Green Bay for Flynn and also sign Flynn to a long-term deal with that one-year, $14.5 million guaranteed salary as the starting point for negotiations.  After all, Flynn has started only two career games; it’s impossible to rule out the possibility that Mike McCarthy has opened an Andy Reid-style quarterback factory in Green Bay, with guys like Flynn playing far better for the Packers than they would perform anywhere else.

If, in the end, no one is willing to trade for Flynn, the Packers would be stuck with a backup quarterback with an eight-figure cap number, who would be making $6.5 million more in base salary than the eventual 2011 NFL MVP.

Some would say it’s a good problem to have.  Come February, Packers G.M. Ted Thompson may feel much differently.

Rodney Harrison, Peter King, Russ Thaler, and yours truly talked about Flynn’s status on Monday’s NBC SportsTalk.  Those of you enjoying the non-app full version of the site can watch it below.

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  1. vegaskid21 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:46 AM

    Dilemma??? Trade him wherever and get 2 first round draft pics. Dilemma over.

  2. jessethegreat says: Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM

    Anyone that says otherwise is clueless. It’s not a bad thing to have a capable back-up that is not going to challenge for the starting job. It’s not a bad thing to invest in drafting back-ups with growth potential, building them up, and then trading them away for higher picks when they are not needed long-term.

  3. test2402 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM

    I would rather have Tim Tebow.

  4. myfinalword says: Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM

    It’s one game! Slow it down there Mikey…

  5. mvp43 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM

    This is a QB driven league and come this April there will be at least 3 teams that will spend their first round pick on a QB that may or may not pan out at the NFL level. If I’m the GM and need a QB, I would gladly sign Flynn and send my first rounder to Green Bay. At least you know he can play right away………..its a better risk.

  6. dachozen1 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM

    Is Rodgers the greatest Qb ever like the media will lead you to believe or is he in a great system with rules that benefits passing offenses?? I think it is a lil of both (good system and good qb). It is amazing that their coaching staff gets little or no credit.

  7. Cheesehead Ken says: Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM

    I really think they will let Flynn walk, pick up a 3rd round compensatory pick for him, and then try to sign Wells or Finley to a long-term deal and franchise the other one. If they can’t sign either of them, I’d prefer to see Wells franchised before Finley, though I don’t have any issues with Finley like most Packer fans do.

  8. djteknision1200 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM

    What success??? Flynn has played in ONLY two regular season games. Someone is going to overpay for this guy just like AZ did for Kolb.

  9. nebster21 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM

    how can you say Rodgers is the team MVP when his replacement came in and had a better overall game than Aaron Rodgers has ever had?

  10. bigperm33 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM

    I don’t understand the dilemma at all – the Packers have two choices – let Flynn walk away as a free agent and get nothing for him, or put the franchise tag on him and trade him and get something. That seems rather simple. Why do they have to get a first or a second rounder? If all anyone offers them (and I doubt this happens) is a fourth round pick, isn’t that a better deal for the packers then getting nothing for him?

  11. zlmillerkazz says: Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM

    Aaron Rodgers… system Quarterback, really?

    C’mon Mike…….

    – I’m a Detroit Lions guy & even I know he’s (Rodgers) just a damn good quarterback.

    Flynn had a good game but his team helped out a lot… Nelson big catches, Ryan Grant screen, etc…

    There was no pressure on Flynn, also had no pressure on him last season in New England… nobody expects much from a backup. It’d be interesting too see him in a starting role…

  12. 6ball says: Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM

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    Before the Packers would franchise him at 14.5 million, I’m sure they would have a deal in place This is similar to what the Patriots did with Cassel. The Pats received a 2nd round pick and got to choose his non divisional destination. The Packers would be wise to follow suit.

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  13. jimr10 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:59 AM

    why does it crate problems? It is one game..

  14. joetoronto says: Jan 3, 2012 9:59 AM

    I’m sure some team will sign him to a multi-million dollar contract, even though they only have a really small body of work to look at.

    The Bills and Rob Johnson come to mind.

  15. duanethomas says: Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM

    Tebow or Flynn

    Thumbs down Flynn

    Thumbs up Tebow.

    Tebow has more upside and is a winner since grade school.

  16. jimr10 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM

    don’t get the annoiting oil and yellow jacket out too soon on this guy.

  17. 3ghostninja says: Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM

    They should probably wait and see what he does against a real secondary first.

    The Lions have always had a way of making average players look like Hall of Famers.

  18. anthonioustheprettygood says: Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM

    I think everybody should really slow down on this guy. He had a great game against a Lions defense that was complete crap. Missed tackles and blown coverage all day long. Not to take anything away from Flynn, he played really well. But the Lions inept back 7 certainly helped. 1 week does not make a superstar.

  19. mikeyhigs says: Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM

    The Pats had the excuse of franchising Cassell because Brady was hurt and they had to protect themselves. If the Packers do it to Flynn and trade him it would be clear their intention was to get value for an unrestricted FA. Therefore it would be a violation. That’s why the Eagles can’t do the same thing with DeSean.

  20. edweird0 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:04 AM

    I wish the dolphins would stop beating around the bush and just trade for this kid. I knew from the moment I saw him play the Pats last year that he was gunna be a stud. So much potential, whoever lands him is gunna be set at QB for the next couple years.

  21. sirmixalotalotalot says: Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM

    “After all, Flynn has started only two career games; it’s impossible to rule out the possibility that Mike McCarthy has opened an Andy Reid-style quarterback factory in Green Bay, with guys like Flynn playing far better for the Packers than they would perform anywhere else.”

    This is literally one of the dumbest things I have read on this site. Of course players perform better while playing for better teams. McNabb was better in Philly because the Skins and Vikings suck right now and have no WR’s. The Packers have some of the best WR’s and depth at the position. Translation: Aaron Rodgers has better options and that makes him better as well.

    How often to great college QB’s get drafted early to horrible teams and never perform. They are traded / cut and land on a better team and all of a sudden they can play again. Look at Alex Smith this season.

  22. tampajoey says: Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM

    Relax… the Lions Defense is overrated.

  23. claymath52 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM

    Ted will figure it out. I think Matt Flynn is awesome and it would suck to no get anything for him… but if it truly is the system that gives him (or Rodgers) the ability to succeed… then he isn’t worth as much as his performance would suggest.

  24. golonger says: Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM

    The only dilemma created is for the MVP voters!!!!!

  25. ftblfan9 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM

    There is no dilemma at all, you apply the Franchise Tag. Enough teams need QB’s that you will get something for him that is a lot better than a compensatory pick (which is based on stats, not talent), if you let him become an unrestricted FA. Salary caps are expanding with the new TV deal, teams can afford the franchise number and signing him to a long term deal. Isn’t it clear that today Washington would give them more than a compensatory pick would?

  26. shaggytoodle says: Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM

    I don’t think Rodgers should be penalized because they know how to coach QBs.

    I also don’t think Rodgers should have it held against him that he didn’t set any records, GB pulled him out 3 times in blowouts, and didn’t even suit up last game (Fantasy ballers were probably ticked)

    Rodgers is the MVP, I am sure if he wanted records, he would have easily Breesed through garbage time.

  27. ajknox88 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM

    I don’t think theres any question that Aaron Rodgers is not a system qb, and he would suceed anywhere he went.

  28. clamnewton says: Jan 3, 2012 10:11 AM

    Luckiest man alive – not a knock on his talent – simply jealousy of his situation. Either way, he is getting paid.

  29. muskyhunter2542 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:12 AM

    People who think that Rodgers and Flynn are system quaterbacks need to give some credit to the players as well as the coaches…. Maybe both are really that good!?!?

  30. bgoochy says: Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM

    This entire discussion is stupid. Do you really think the Packers are going to franchise tag a backup quarterback? That would –

    1) Guarantee him 14.5 million (almost double Aaron Rodgers’ current salary)

    2) The eventual trading team would have to give up TWO first round draft picks to the Packers, not just one…

    3) The eventual trading team would have to assume the 14.5 million dollar salary, plus some unknown amount of future compensation in a longer term contract

    All for a guy who has started two NFL games total in his career and was throwing against a Lions D that has been torched by every quarterback in the league this year.

    It ain’t happening.

  31. muskyhunter2542 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM

    People who think that Rodgers and Flynn are system quaterbacks need to give some credit to the players as well as the coaches…. Maybe both are really that good!?!? We know Rodgers is.

  32. arnoldziffel says: Jan 3, 2012 10:15 AM

    Another consideration here might be that the Detroit Lions are extraordinarily over-rated. Oh sure, they started off the season 5-0 … but against TB, KC, Minn, Dal, and the Bears – five teams who are not in the playoffs.

    And yes, they do have some good players – but if you consider the Lions seemed to make most of their news after the whistle this season … it’s not surprising that a back-up quarterback burned them for six touchdowns.

    This weekend, the Saints punter might as well show up to the game wearing a bathrobe and slippers … he’s not going to see the field at all.

    Unless of course Suh happens to stomp on Brees and breaks his arm – after the whistle, of course.

  33. northshorejag says: Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM

    nothing against Matt Flynn, but when you combine an overly aggressive immature defense with a QB that NO ONE has tape on and that has a stellar O-line looking for revenge and the best WR’s in football, you get a 7th rounder throwing for 500 yards.

    I’d like see him in week 10 against the 49ers or ravens with 9 weeks of film on him

  34. bgrubb says: Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM

    The difference betwteen Flynn and Cassel, is that Cassel performed at a high level for the majority of a season. Flynn has had a couple good games over 2 years. No one is going to pay a kings ransom for a guy who has a high risk of being a system QB. Not to mention that guys like Cassel & Kolb haven’t really lived up to expectations… If the Pack use the tag on Flynn, I think they will ultimately be stuck with him at that salary, because I don’t think anyone will want him at that price, plus whatever picks it takes to get him in a trade.

  35. nfl4life77 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM

    1 way to see if it’s the system, put in Palko

  36. phishfan520 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM

    Say what you want but this guy has Miami written all over him. I would love RGIII but this guy can come in and compete. Plus, he knows how to win, he won in college so he can step right in. Get RGIII and thats it out of the draft, or sign this guy, and use our picks to fill our major holes on defense and ruin tom bradys year next year?? CLEAR CHOICE HERE!

  37. seatownballers says: Jan 3, 2012 10:30 AM

    Seattle will give him same deal as kolb

  38. jimmysimpson55 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM

    I’m a Chief’s fan, but man Green Bay fans sure have a lot to be happy about.

  39. tundey says: Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM

    Who are the fools questioning Aaron Rodgers? So Matt Flynn had 1 great game but so what? Didn’t people learn from Kevin Kolb, who’s just the latest in the long line of backup QBs getting big money and failing to deliver?

  40. tundey says: Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM

    BTW, any problem that has Aaron Rodgers as 1 of 2 solutions is, in my mind, a good problem to have. Worst case, they pay Flynn major bucks and have to trade him for not much. With their recent license to print money, who cares as long as they keep Rodgers? They can even sell more “stocks” next year and raise even more money.

  41. bigjdve says: Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM

    I don’t know why this is an issue, I mean really, 1 game?

    He did really well against a really overrated secondary, I would prefer to see him try to do that against a good defense.

    I know he will probably have a really overpriced asking price, and some team will pay it, however it remains to be seen whether he will pan out or not.

    Saying Flynn is great because of 1 game is like saying Rex Grossman is great because he went to the Superbowl. It is a little premature.

  42. sippindasyzurp says: Jan 3, 2012 10:35 AM

    With the success of Cassel a few years back I guess that makes Tom Brady a system QB then as well…

  43. dburgoyne says: Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM

    Every successful quarterback is in a good system; that goes without saying. But Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Brady make the throws that only a small percentage of guys can make. That’s what makes them elite. If you watched all of Rodgers games this year you would see that. The guy throws 45 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 15 games. The system is successful because he makes the throws with limited mistakes.

  44. khmer379 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM

    Rodger is a system QB that the truth brett was hof rodger step in now he a future hof flynn step in now he looking great dont yall see the pattern if it aint the system why cant 31 other do team do the same dont give me that he has a great QB coach b.s cause if he that good he alredy have a head coaching job

  45. dragonfly99 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM

    What a great dilemma to have. You have a second string quarterback who is better than many teams starting quarterback. Green Bay has excellent insurance against Rodgers getting hurt in the playoffs and can either franchise Flynn and trade him, or let him walk and get a compensatory draft pick. I don’t understand the comment about Andy Reid style quarterback factory though. Who has Reid developed beside McNabb, who has proved to be extremely overrated and Kolb who has also not proven himself? If I was Ted Thompson though I would be worried about the Vikings, who have a hard on for former Packer players and have proven incapable of developing any quarterbacks.

  46. Derty Ernie says: Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM

    Trade him and if you get one first round pick, or two seconds, that’s a no brainer because in the end you cannot have two QB’s of that caliber on one team. Get something for him and wish him well.

    The Pack needs a defensive lineman who can rush. They need to replace Clifton on o line and one good outside linebacker. Assuming Driver retires, they have Gurley in place. Grant will probably be gone. He is slowing and they are in need of speed in the backfield. Starks has had five good games in two years and has shown nothing this year when not injured.

  47. ketchupaholic says: Jan 3, 2012 10:37 AM

    I think they got it right. Rodgers is a product of the system. Just look how bad he was when Jennings was out. You could plug Ty Detmer in that offense and he’d be good. I mean come on… Matt Flynn. Really?

  48. uwsptke says: Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM

    There is a non-QB precedent for this in Green Bay as well. Thompson had serious concerns about Corey Williams’ work ethic and declined to sign him to extension after coming off of a double-digit sack year as a 4-3 DT in 2007. He tagged him, and somehow hoodwinked the Cleveland Browns into giving him a 2nd round pick. Sure they squandered him by picking Brian Brohm with that pick (same draft as they picked Flynn in) but they got something for him.

    Forgotten in all this is the Finley question. Do they tag Flynn to try to get picks for him, or tag Finley if you can’t work out a deal to keep him around while still getting a 3rd/4th rounder for him as a compensatory pick? At least if they tag him they can control his destination which is huge, probably even greater a concern than compensation. Would hate to see him end up in Minnesota when they could have shipped him off to Cleveland. My darkhorse team for him next year is Seattle.

  49. Derty Ernie says: Jan 3, 2012 10:39 AM

    Lets compare Bree’s numbers and ratings to Rogers minus the game Rogers did not play and Rogers is the sure MVP. Lets not forget, Bree’s lost three games this year.

  50. mjs2012 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:39 AM

    The answer is simple:

    – Franchise Jermichael Finley

    – Collect a compensatory 3rd round pick for 2013. Ted Thompson will find someone as good as a 1st rounder anyway.

  51. chocolatebaconbutter says: Jan 3, 2012 10:41 AM

    I’ll never forget this. This past offseason right after the lockout ended one of our local sports talk stations had on an analyst talking about the upcoming season. Can’t remember exactly who. But anyway they asked him who would be this year’s Kevin Kolb, with respect to generating trade buzz from teams needing a QB. Without hesitation he said “Matt Flynn.” He said that this guy was the best kept secret among fans, but that every GM in the league knew about this guy, and that he projected to be a franchise QB.

  52. packattack1967 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:41 AM

    Read the scouting reports on Flynn. You’ll see TTs options are quite clear.

  53. i3addog says: Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM

    Flynn a system QB ? Dumbest thing ever uttered on this site and that’s saying a lot. Then why did Favre stink up the place throwing a million picks ?

  54. Derty Ernie says: Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM

    The reality is there are plenty of very good QB’s in this draft. Flynn may not be worth a number one when a team in need – first ten picks, can get a good one without a trade and without doling out a ton o money to an unproven Flynn.
    Flynn may find out that a lot of teams think of him as a great backup but not worth a lot.
    Plus, why give a good team a lot of picks and make them better when you can give them nothing and draft what you need.

  55. reddskeletor says: Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM

    Either the Eagles or the Jets should bring him in.

  56. hanzotori24 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM

    As a chiefs fan, I would love to have this ‘problem’.

  57. farmmbig says: Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM

    Another option (if they think so highly of Flynn)— trade Aaron Rodgers and get a TON more in compensation to build around Flynn for the next 10 years.

    It’s an option that gets laughed at, but it’s an option, nonetheless.

  58. promickey says: Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM

    Peter King calls it a system QB but more correctly stated the Green Bay Packers have a great team with the best group of receivers in the NFL which will make any QB look better.

    Peter King also implies that the Miami Dolphins are in desperate need of a QB. Well the last time I looked Matt Moore was the number 12 rated QB in the NFL without great speed receivers or a great team. So not only Peter but the Miami franchise and all those in media need to define what a franchise QB is! Matt Moore has made all the throws to allow his team with average talent the chance to win. Tom Brady was a 7th round draft choice but was given a chance due to injury. Flynn was the 208th pick (7th round) of the 2008 draft. So much for evaluating talent in college. The point is that the team (great receivers) etc… will always be a factor that scouts, media and evaluators have to consider. If Matt Moore had played for USC he might be considered by media the best NFL quarterback prospect since Joe Montana.

  59. ebeg420 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM

    Flynn threw for more TD’s and Yards than Tebow did in half of a season!!…in ONE game!!!

    That ain’t saying much, Tebow stinks even though it’s hard to root against the guy.

    But Flynn will be right between Kolb and Cassell and that’s not saying much either. The Pack will get something for the guy, which they should get whatever they can.

  60. packerpride03 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM

    Why not try to sign a extension now and then trade him on draft day?

  61. rc33 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM

    Do you really think the Packers are going to franchise tag a backup quarterback? That would –

    1) Guarantee him 14.5 million (almost double Aaron Rodgers’ current salary)

    2) The eventual trading team would have to give up TWO first round draft picks to the Packers, not just one…

    3) The eventual trading team would have to assume the 14.5 million dollar salary, plus some unknown amount of future compensation in a longer term contract

    All for a guy who has started two NFL games total in his career and was throwing against a Lions D that has been torched by every quarterback in the league this year.

    ——————————————-

    This sums it up.
    IMO, since GB already has their long-term QB, just let him walk.
    A lot of teams might want to have him but the money AND the compensation will be tough to agree on for a guy with 2 career starts.

  62. skittlesareyum says: Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM

    how can you say Rodgers is the team MVP when his replacement came in and had a better overall game than Aaron Rodgers has ever had?

    Without looking at all the games, I can tell you Rodgers’ first game against the Vikings was better than Flynn’s. Sure, he didn’t throw 6 TDs, but his passer rating, completion percentage, and yards per attempt were better.

  63. hawkman84 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:56 AM

    I think Seattle may make a play for him.

    Respect Tarvaris as a QB, but we need a better decision maker/clutch moment QB, and if Flynn is that then I say we do it. Thing is, Flynn has only played like…2 games ever so can’t really get a fair read on if he’s clutch or not.

    If we wind up giving up our 1st rd for him, we should then use our 2nd rd pick on Russell Wilson.

    Dude is smallish…but a very solid very underrated QB.

  64. buckybadger says: Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM

    duanethomas says:
    Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM
    Tebow or Flynn

    Thumbs down Flynn

    Thumbs up Tebow.

    Tebow has more upside and is a winner since grade school.

    ————————-

    Flynn was a winner two. He has a national title as a starter.

    Tebow has very little upside. Almost all his balls have no spiral on them. Never seen an NFL QB throw so many ducks. Flynn can at least read a defense and know where to go with the ball. Just like what happened with the Wild Cat, Tebow has been figured out. His passing is horrendous and it will only get so much better.

  65. smedley61 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM

    Comparing Brees and Rodgers last about 660 pass attempts (rounded to reflect complete games).

    Brees
    5,476 yards passing on 468-657 (71.2%). 46 TD passes, 14 INT. A 110.6 rating

    Rodgers
    5,966 yards passing on 452-662 (68.3%). 55 TD, 9 INT. 118.6 rating

    So Rodgers has about 500 more yards, 9 more TD’s, 5 less ints and a higher rating.
    Just wanted to throw that out there to chew on.

  66. gmen1987 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM

    We don’t know if Flynn will be the next Mark Brunnel, Matt Hasselback, Matt Schaub (backups who did well as starters for other teams) or will Flynn be the next Rob Johnson, Kevin Kolb, AJ Feeley, and tons of other QBs who bombed after being named a starter for other teams.

  67. romangabriel says: Jan 3, 2012 11:05 AM

    Just for the record, that same lousy Lions defense only gave up 10 pints to the Chargers a week ago…

  68. rmc1995 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM

    Flynn made some nice throws but its fools gold. 80 yards were on a screen pass. The lions had no tendencies on him. Defensive backs were slipping all over the place. The lions starting safety and nickel were injured and Rodgers was calling the offense during hurry up. I don’t think Rodgers will help him through the headsets if he plays for the Browns.

    And it was odd to see the corners in man so often. Either Schwartz was challenging them in a game with so manyt weapons or the safties were so bad it looked like the corners were in man more often.

  69. troy10 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM

    Scott Mitchell anyone?

  70. cantonbound13 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM

    A bad GM like Jeff Ireland will overpay for him & give up picks.

  71. mrfrostyj says: Jan 3, 2012 11:11 AM

    I take it none of you who said it’s not a delemma read the article at all or paid attention to the NFL. The Packers are at risk of being stuck overpaying a backup because of 1 good game. That is a BAD thing. At this point teams should have smartened up about spending big on the “could be special” backup QB after the failures of Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb etc once they became starters

  72. jhein23 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:19 AM

    How is a QB who is 20-1 as a starter since last December overrated? Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Last time I checked he won the Super Bowl over a pretty good Steelers team & won 3 playoff games on the road.

    This year they had the 32nd ranked defense and a offensive line with injuries all year. Finley did not live up to the hype and play anywhere near the level of Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski.

    System QB’s don’t lead the league in touchdown’s outside the pocket. And even if he is a system QB – what was Joe Montana & Steve Young?

    Lastly what’s the debate Rodgers beat Brees head to head in September. The only reason the game was close is the Packers took their foot off the pedal in the 2nd half. Every Saints game I watch Brees throws an INT and at least 2 more that are dropped. 155 more attempts people that’s about 4 games! Packers lost 1 game…..1

  73. comeonnowguys says: Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM

    Hold up, people. He’s started two games in two years.

    It would be interesting to see what happens after four consecutive games once other defenses have consistent film of him to gameplan against.

  74. Little Earthquake says: Jan 3, 2012 11:28 AM

    Ted Thompson is NOT going to franchise a backup QB. Flynn will cash in, probably play in a terrible system (Cleveland for example) and not live up to the hype. McCarthy can develop whoever is drafted next.

  75. thehatefulnerd says: Jan 3, 2012 11:33 AM

    Why would we have to trade him for a #1? First of all, not having to negotiate a contract with a QB is actually a good thing. He’ll already be signed. Plus, Flynn has been coached up by Mike McCarthy’s QB school. Dude is fundamentally sound and has strengthened his arm.
    Dude won a national championship at the collegiate level and leapfrogged a 2nd rounder his rookie year. That wasn’t due to GB’s “system.”
    Second of all, if the pay scale is too high, we can trade him for a lower pick, if necessary. AND trade him out of the division.
    Arodge is due for a contract upgrade anyway. Only problem is we gotta first lock up Finley.

  76. briggsweatbird says: Jan 3, 2012 11:33 AM

    I’m surprised Matt didn’t have this success a lot sooner. I mean, he fell into a good situation.

    Brett Favre

  77. goupackers says: Jan 3, 2012 11:34 AM

    Throwaway 7th round pick?

    For most teams, yes, but between Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson, there are no throwaway picks. That’s why you get 7th rounders like Matt Flynn, Mark Tauscher, and Donald Driver starring for the Packers and other teams are cutting their 1st rounders.

    Yes, I did not include Mike Sherman in the preceding paragraph.

  78. CKL says: Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM

    1) Aaron Rodgers called the plays for the entire game so he still gets some credit for it. He’s a great talent and amazingly accurate and has developed very well under a great staff due to his hard work and smarts.

    2) Flynn looks like he deserves to be given a shot to start somewhere and if a dope like me can see that a great personnel guy like TT surely can and will make the right call, whatever it is. We can sit here and talk about Det’s defense but the fact is Det wanted to win that game and they weren’t conceding a thing.

    3) Mike McCarthy deserves credit for the success of every QB he’s EVER coached. He’s a phenomenal coach of QBs. He fixed some issues AR had with delivery and footwork. Lest anyone forget, McCarthy got max competency out of the likes of Aaron Brooks who never looked like anything but garbage under any other OC.

    As always success is a combo of everything: system, coaching, and talent evaluation.

  79. phinfan says: Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM

    No worries… Im sure there will be plenty capable qbs available. Chad Henne for one. Mark Sanchez probably will be avail too. Jason Campbell…. tons

  80. mpw2133 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:38 AM

    ok here is where the issue comes into play . lets look at the last 2 QB’s to be in this position. Matt Cassell and Kevin Kolb. where either one of those guys worth the trade? I say Cassell was worth at least a second, put the Cardinals giveing away what they did for Kolb , heck no. Flynn is a good QB he has had two impressive games. I hate this system QB talk. All QB’s are system Qbs period. there is no qb that could go from the spread to a west coast offense so people need to stop making dumb statements. I wouldnt give up a 1st rounder for flynn but a second maybe, a third I wouldnt blink an eye at.

  81. 6ball says: Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM

    .
    “Rogers / Brady = system QB”

    True if your system is winning. Do you think if they were traded to Washington or Jacksonville that they would suddenly become just a couple of guys who look good in their uniforms?

    .

  82. sfm073 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM

    Matt cassel played nearly the entire season. Flynn played one game. Any team that trades any above a 3rd pick for him would be nuts.

  83. realistik84 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM

    I was interested all the way up to the point of where Rodney Harrison would tell me more…

  84. 122u says: Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM

    This kind of sums up my feelings why Rodgers should be MVP and why Flynn is the real deal. In that Lion game, McCarthy delegated most of the playcalling to Rodgers. That shows a lot of trust and humility on the part of the coach. It also shows that Rodgers is not only a great athlete but a highly intelligent person as well.
    Flynn will be an outstanding QB in the NFL. But without Rodgers help and encouragement on the sidelines, he would not have had the success he did. They are both a great team, “partners in crime” both on and off the field.
    I just got done watching a taped Larry McCarren show (local packer show). Flynn was the guest. He said him and Rodgers are best friends. Flynn said when he threw that 5th TD and came to the sidelines, Rodgers was laughing and joking with him. Rodgers said dude, you get the chance you have to go for #6! Flynn didn’t dissapoint him. That’s the kind of unselfish relationship those two have. That shows why Rodgers deserves to be MVP. He does so many unselfish things that go unnoticed. Without Rodgers guidance and help, Flynn would not have had the record breaking performance.
    It will be sad to see them split, but Flynn will make someone a great QB because he learned from the greatest and has already proven he can get the job done in style.
    IMO, I would much rather have a talented backup that I know can come in and immediately lead my team than a rookie who will take time to develop. But to each his own.
    I think there will be a lot of owners on the hotline with Mr. Thompson, taking him out and whining and dining him :)

  85. buckybadger says: Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM

    There is a better back up that will be available at the end of the year as well. Shaun Hill looked very good making several starts last year. I would take him first.

  86. mvp43 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM

    I hate when people use “system QB” as if its some sort of negative term.

    What does that mean?
    To me it means that the QB understands the system he’s in. That’s what you’re supposed to do !

    Drew brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady- these are all system QB’s

    Name a successful QB that is NOT a system QB..

    I Bet Denver, Miami, NYJ, Seattle etc…would all love systrem QB’s..

  87. ziggy26 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM

    In 2004, Titans backup QB Billy Volek had back-to-back games with over 400 yards. In those two games he piled up 918 passing yards, eight passing touchdowns, one interception, a 67 completion percentage, and a rushing touchdown. Volek still holds the record for most passing yards in consecutive games.

    You know what the Titans received in exchange for Volek? A sixth round pick.

    So now Flynn comes in, has one great game, and suddenly is going to pull in multiple first round picks?

    Is there somewhere I can apply for an NFL GM job?

  88. wozzmann1955 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM

    tundey says: Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM

    Who are the fools questioning Aaron Rodgers? So Matt Flynn had 1 great game but so what? Didn’t people learn from Kevin Kolb, who’s just the latest in the long line of backup QBs getting big money and failing to deliver?

    People should have learned after Scott Mitchell!!

  89. dobolina says: Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM

    Matt Hasselbeck made zero starts as a Packer, and he ended up having a pretty decent career.

    Just saying.

  90. dellied says: Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM

    jhein23, you hit it on the head.

    Rodgers a “system quarterback” – really? If anything, Brees is a system quarterback. He’s throwing to wide open receivers, far more often than Rodgers (Saints fans: I’m not saying Brees is a system quarterback, he is absolutely not, I’m just saying that if you were going stupidly to accuse one of these two QBs of being a “system qb” it’d be Brees).

    Rodgers has been one of the most sacked QBs in the league since he’s started for the Packers. His offensive line play has been terrible. He is under constant duress, and would have even more sacks if he couldn’t roll out to the right AND left. He throws balls off of his back foot. While jumping. He can throw accurately across his body, across the field; he can throw 80+ yard rainbows in the AIR. His ball placement puts Brees’ to shame (The touch on Brees’ long balls are unbelievable though).

    LOL, I just love it when people that know nothing about football make such stupid blanket statements. The backup QB does well so the first QB was a system QB.

    Sorry Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young, you were a system quarterback. Sorry Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana, you were a system quarterback. Sorry future hall of famer Brett Favre, you were a system quarterback.

    Morons.

  91. jimmysee says: Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM

    Truly can’t imagine Ted Thompson is losing any sleep over this one.

    Flynn served his purpose. He will go into free agency.

    There are way better uses for the franchise tag.

    The Packers have Graham Harrell in line to be #2 next year when Flynn leaves.

    They’ll take the compensatory pick and Ted Thompson will find another QB to develop.

    Lots of great candidates in lower rounds of the draft.

    For starters, those guys from Wisconsin and Michigan State are candidates for the Mike McCarthy QB school.

  92. jimmysee says: Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM

    …… also, I am certain neither Coach McCarthy or Ted Thompson ever regarded Flynn as a “throwaway.”

    He was the QB from the national champion LSU the year he was drafted!

    The guy is not some stiff.

    So now both Donald Driver and Flynn are 7th round finds for the Packers.

  93. shlort says: Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM

    Ted Thompson isnt stupid enough to try and pull a franchise tag deal on Flynne. The risk – reward is far too great of a risk. No team will be willing to give up that much on an unproven quarterback in todays NFL. Best case scenerio, GB gets some fool like Daniel Snyder to buy Flynn. Worse case – GB has to pay Flynn 14+ Million dollars to ride the pine in GB. I dont see Flynn as a Matt Cassel either. Cassel started almost the entire season and performed well. He hit a wal in KC, but they dont know how to get talent there. In my opinion they Packers should let Flynn go wherever he wants to go. There are plenty of teams that will pay him millions of dollars to sign with them. Flynn definately deserves a chance to get paid.

  94. kidpresentable says: Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM

    “…Sure they squandered him by picking Brian Brohm with that pick (same draft as they picked Flynn in) but they got something for him.”

    Ah Brian Brohm. The answer for those of you dumb enough to think Rodgers is nothing more than a product of the system.

    Rodgers is good in the way that should he remain relatively healthy, he’ll be in the HOF. Flynn is to Rodgers what Hasselbeck and Brunell were to Favre. They were good enough to have solid careers with some levels of success, but nobody in their right mind would argue they were better than Favre. That’s Flynn. He’s better than probably half of the starting QBs in the league although some (like the Jets, Broncos and 49ers) won’t admit it. Give him a competent coach and a weapon or two, and he’ll be a playoff-caliber guy.

  95. bleedgreen says: Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM

    arnoldziffel says:
    Jan 3, 2012 10:15 AM
    Another consideration here might be that the Detroit Lions are extraordinarily over-rated. Oh sure, they started off the season 5-0 … but against TB, KC, Minn, Dal, and the Bears – five teams who are not in the playoffs.
    —————————-

    They played the same schedule as the Packers except for 2 games. They aren’t as good as the Packers, but they’re still pretty good.

  96. mvp43 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM

    If I’m Ted Thompson, no way in hell do I want to lose Flynn for a 3rd round compensatory pick.

    Also, I recall Brian Brohm being picked way ahead of Matt Flynn……………I guess Brian Brian Brohm wasn’t a system QB…

  97. brewpack42 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM

    I am a packer fan so I read up on them and have heard more than most of you. Some of you think Flynn has only started one game. Not true. Flynn, you can make an argument, is a winner too. He won a national championship… This past summer some writers said Flynn actually looked better in Camp than Aaron Rodgers. Now no one is saying Flynn is better than Rodgers because he is not, but there was a combination of Flynn having a great camp and Rodgers camp not being that great. McCarthy has said for a while now that Flynn is a starting caliber quarterback and that he thinks he could start for a lot teams. Now McCarthy and QB coach Tom Clements are both great coaches and can coach up some guys and make good quarterbacks. Flynn has now gone through many years of Tom Clements quarterback school in the offseason, the same program that A-Rod gives alot of credit for helping him learn. Do the packers have good wide receivers, Yes but A-Rod makes throws that no one in this league is making. He calls the plays in the hurry up and even called them in the game to Flynn on Sunday. You can not knock A-Rod. My thoughts on Flynn from seeing him is that if he has a team around him he can be a good QB. He is athletic, but doesn’t have the greatest arm. He can throw a decent deep ball but I see a lot of intermediate balls hit the ground. Another thing they say is that Flynn is a leader and extremely calm in pressure situations. At the end of the day I think Flynn is better than a lot of qb’s in this league, but I don’t know that over the course of a season that he would be a top guy.

  98. hawkman84 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM

    @dbolina:

    I beg to upgrade and say Hass has had–and is still having–a damned good career!

  99. nesuperfan says: Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM

    GB fans, welcome to our world – A Pats’ fan.

    It really does suck having to defend your QB from all the idiotic comments, like “system QB” (since when is just having a great team a system?), and “Flynn was better for one day”.

    I am still glad we have our Tommy boy for now, but when he retires, I hope we are lucky to find another great QB in the mold of Brady, Rogers or Brees. They are all great, and any team without one of them, would give their proverbial left nut for a guy like any of the three. System QB my a$$.

  100. rosieoutlook says: Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM

    Everyone is ignoring the fact that Matt Flynn won the BCS National Championship for LSU and he also won the Texas State Championship in high school. He has won every place he has ever played. He also has the talent to win the Superbowl.

  101. rarson says: Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM

    “New England then traded Cassel, plus linebacker Mike Vrabel, to the Chiefs for a second-round pick.

    The risk for the Packers is that no other team would want to send a first-round pick (and maybe more) to Green Bay for Flynn and also sign Flynn to a long-term deal with that one-year, $14.5 million guaranteed salary as the starting point for negotiations. ”

    Why the heck would anyone trade a first-round pick for Flynn when New England only got a second-round for Cassel AND Vrabel? Granted, Flynn looked better than Cassel, but it was only ONE GAME. Plus, Cassel looked pretty good in New England, and now looks like a backup again. Unless whoever takes Flynn has a coaching staff (and an offense) as good as Green Bay’s, I don’t think we’ll be seeing Flynn pulling off these kinds of wins in another uniform.

  102. rarson says: Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM

    “He won a national championship…”

    So did Tebow.

    Personally, I don’t care much about what players do in college, because plenty of them can excel there and do squat in the NFL. Sorry Packers fans, it just doesn’t mean much. Look no further than Tebow.

  103. sws222 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM

    View from a Lions fan…

    Packers are the best team in the NFL.
    Flynn had a great game.

    But to call the Lions overrated?
    They went to Lambeau….slugged it out with the heavyweight champs for 12 rounds…and lost at the very end (or, depending on your view, bad officiating.)

    Who this year had given you a better game?

  104. nesuperfan says: Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM

    There is simply no way in he11 that Flynn gets franchised. GB may eat his $14 mil, and will eat it no matter what in cap space. Then there is the “how will Rogers look at this”-factor.

    The advantage of Flynn compared to a number one pick in the draft is that he has had a few years of excellent pro coaching, and that does set him apart from your typical number one pick. On the other hand, a new number one will no longer cost anywhere near as much as Flynn with the new CBA. Flynn is clearly a better bet, but hardly a sure thing, and that a team would have to give up two first rounders is a lot, and I don’t see that happening either (even the Raiders won’t do this TWICE).

    What is more likely to happen is that GB will find someone, who is interested, and say “if we can sign him for this”, will you trade for that? The advantage to GB is they secure compensation, and the advantage for the trading partner is that they take out most of the competition, which surely would be there if he hits the open market. The advantage for Flynn is that he has a definitive number early on. Sure, he can risk free agency, but maybe he won’t bring as much as he thinks he is worth, and may be more interested in the sure thing.

  105. gmen1987 says: Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM

    rarson says:
    Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM
    “He won a national championship…”

    So did Tebow.

    Personally, I don’t care much about what players do in college, because plenty of them can excel there and do squat in the NFL. Sorry Packers fans, it just doesn’t mean much. Look no further than Tebow.

    ==================================
    And so did Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason White, Charlie Ward, Greg McElroy, Ken Dorsey, and more.

    Most successful NFL QBs never been to a national championship game.

  106. minkytails says: Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM

    The Vikings think Ponder is decent (he’s not), so they won’t go after Flynn.

    The Bears already sunk too much money into Cutler (they have), so they won’t go after Flynn.

    The Lions think Stafford can lead them to a Super Bowl (he won’t), so they won’t go after Flynn.

    It all adds up to 4 or 5 more NFC North championships for the Packers. Some dilemma.

  107. mineallmine001 says: Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM

    some notable quarterbacks that have rode the pine in green bay.

    Kurt Warner
    Matt Hasselback
    Mark Brunel
    *Aaron Rodgers

    I left a few off the list

  108. minkytails says: Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM

    sws222: “Who this year had given you a better game?”

    That team from Kansas City, for one. The Saints for another. Your defense is horrible, obviously. If it is rated at all, then it is overrated. Nobody thinks your offense is bad.

    All that said, good luck in New Orleans (lol).

  109. mineallmine001 says: Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM

    View from a Lions fan…

    Who this year had given you a better game?

    ——————–

    The Saints! Good luck in NO, you will need it

  110. kisstherings says: Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM

    Flynn’s success??

    It’s one game dude.

  111. 122u says: Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM

    NESUPERFAN,
    I totally agree. Thompson is not going to be stupid enough to let Flynn hit the open market and receive little for him if he knows he can get a #1 and perhaps some defensive help.
    He certainly isn’t going to franchise him for 14 mil or whatever and take that kind of chance.
    I think it will come down to something like you stated below. Perhaps a “good ole boys night out” with dinner, drinks, a trip to the local exotic dancer club with Flynn, his agent, Thompson and Jerry Jones :) Damn, wouldn’t you like to be Matt Flynn, lol.

  112. packerhater says: Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM

    dburgoyne says: Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM

    Every successful quarterback is in a good system; that goes without saying. But Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Brady make the throws that only a small percentage of guys can make. That’s what makes them elite. If you watched all of Rodgers games this year you would see that. The guy throws 45 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 15 games. The system is successful because he makes the throws with limited mistakes.

    Ofcourse when you throw the ball 5-10 yards 90% of the time you are going to have inflated ratings.

  113. packerhater says: Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM

    dobolina says: Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM

    Matt Hasselbeck made zero starts as a Packer, and he ended up having a pretty decent career.

    Just saying.

    We can see what you just said no need to say just saying when we can clearly read.

  114. jeffchadwick says: Jan 3, 2012 1:43 PM

    Kind of a non-sequitur, but why the hate for Matt Cassel? He was hurt this year, but had a pretty darn good season in 2010. Grabbing a Pro Bowl quarterback for a second rounder isn’t the worst decision in the world.

    Doesn’t excuse the Kevin Kolb deal or some of the other backups signed as starter flops mentioned here (Doug Pedersen comes to mind – wait, not every Green Bay quarterback leaves Brett Favre’s shadow and becomes a Pro Bowler?).

  115. skittlesareyum says: Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM

    Ofcourse when you throw the ball 5-10 yards 90% of the time you are going to have inflated ratings.

    I forgot who leads the NFL in yards per attempt by a huge amount. Can anyone help me out?

  116. rarson says: Jan 3, 2012 1:52 PM

    @gmen1987

    “Most successful NFL QBs never been to a national championship game.”

    Right. My point is that winning a national championship doesn’t mean that a guy will necessarily be a good NFL quarterback. Tebow is not a good NFL quarterback, in spite of his national championship.

  117. minnesconsin says: Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM

    northshorejag says:
    Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM
    nothing against Matt Flynn, but when you combine an overly aggressive immature defense with a QB that NO ONE has tape on and that has a stellar O-line looking for revenge and the best WR’s in football, you get a 7th rounder throwing for 500 yards.

    I’d like see him in week 10 against the 49ers or ravens with 9 weeks of film on him
    ————–

    This is idiotic. No one has tape on him? He ran the exact same offense Rodgers run. Rodgers was even calling the plays. The Lions have played Green Bay often enough to know what they like to do. Lousy excuse.

    Stellar O-line? Are you insane? If Rodgers didn’t have the fastest release in the NFL he’d be sacked twice as often. Their line is OK when they’re all healthy, but they’re seriously banged up. Only 2 starting linemen (Wells and Sitton) played their natural positions. Clifton played for a quarter and that was his first quarter in 2 months. They had a backup (Newhouse) at left tackle. One of their guards (Lang) had to play right tackle in place of the injured starter (Bulaga), and another backup (Dietrich-Smith) filled in for him at guard.

    Not exactly “stellar.”

  118. kevishu says: Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM

    Whether Rodgers is a system QB or not, no one can deny his outstanding accuracy and arm strength even while on the run, as well as the fact the guy is far more mobile than most QBs playing today. These are traits that are independent of whether he’s in a good system or not. He takes those traits with him no matter where he plays.

    As for Flynn, he’s probably more likely to rely on the Packer system for success than his own traits. Not as strong of an arm, mobility isn’t quite like Rodgers’. He’s a good QB, but overall we haven’t seen enough to justify calling him outstanding. Nor have we seen enough to dis-credit him with the label “system QB”. Time will tell. Unless a deal with another team can be worked out ahead of time, I say just let him walk. $14.5M is just too much to risk.

  119. jessethegreat says: Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM

    bgoochy says:
    Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM
    This entire discussion is stupid. Do you really think the Packers are going to franchise tag a backup quarterback? That would –

    2) The eventual trading team would have to give up TWO first round draft picks to the Packers, not just one…

    ——————————————————-
    Who says the Packers have to trade him for 2 first round picks? Did they trade their franchised DT Corey Williams for 2 first rounders? NO. If a team signs him to an offer sheet in free agency, they do. If a team trades for his rights, they (the Packers and said team) can haggle over compensation.

    I would bet Flynn gets franchised, and traded for a 1st and 3rd or 2 2nds just like Schaub. He has clearly learned how to QB at the NFL caliber. He has a ton of upside and talent. Ask the Chargers if they would have rather traded a pair of 2nd rounders for aguy like Flynn or traded to get a player with potential in Ryan Leaf.

  120. IMG says: Jan 3, 2012 3:01 PM

    Someone will trade for Matt Flynn. The Packers would be foolish not to franchise and trade him

  121. claymaker says: Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM

    Sure seems like a lot of people compare Flynn to Kolb. The big difference is Kolb tanked in all those games which is why he got benched in favor of Vick. Kolb isn’t that much difference from most rookie QB’s that come into the league (They usually try to go for the short passes all the time and are afraid to go deep. They make poor choices, and look scared in the pocket except for Cam) He is about the only rookie that has shown any real ability to do what a Veteran QB does in his first year playing.

    Flynn I believe also won the Championship with LSU in his only starting College season. He has a tremendous QB coach and leader in Rodgers. He has learned well over the last 2-3 years earning every opportunity while learning from the best. He has demonstrated in pre-seasons as well as against the Lions and New England that he can run with the big dogs.

    I for one (if in Ted Thompsons shoes) sign Finley and Tag Flynn. As others said even if you get 2 seconds or 2 thirds. Going all the way back to last year NO QUESTION that teams want him.

    If your willing to follow the path of many unsuccessful GM’s over the years drafting how many QB’s in the first round and paying way more than you would for Flynn, then why not try a different path when 90% of the Rookie QB’s don’t make it at the next level. Let alone how many NFL QB’s have ever thrown for 480 yards and 6 TD’s in one game in their entire career?????

    Rack it Baby!!!

  122. granadafan says: Jan 3, 2012 4:15 PM

    All the self-proclaimed draft “experts” stated that Rodgers was a system QB coming out of CAL under Jeff Tedford even though Tedford ran the ball 50% of the plays, but don’t let facts come in the way of a good conspiracy theory analysis. Now the talking heads think he’s in another “system” in Green Bay.

    When will these alleged “experts” just give Rodgers credit where credit is due? He’s one of the best QBs in the league, if not THE best. His accuracy, efficiency, and leadership have proven this over and over again. Hopefully the Packers fans won’t boo Rodgers again at training camp in 2012.

  123. badfish6907 says: Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM

    Every QB in the league is a system QB. They learn and run the system that the coaching staff implements. Brett Favre was the ultimate system QB. Why do you think he wanted to go the
    Vikings so bad? Where greatness comes out is when that system breaks down and right now out of the pocket on the run Aaron Rodgers is the most dangerous guy in the game.

  124. stavreafavre says: Jan 3, 2012 5:40 PM

    If it was just the system, this story would be about Brian Brohm. Flynn’s a leader and winner, just like Rodgers. I only hope GB gets something approaching what he’s worth.

  125. jerlee7 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:06 PM

    I never realized how incredibly terrible the rumor mongering was on this website until I read this articles about Flynn. Does anyone in their right mind believe Ted Thompson would even CONSIDER paying his back up Quarterback $14 mil? Are you on crazy pills. Good bye Matt Flynn, best of luck. Ted will be happy with his 4th round compensatory pick or if lucky a 3rd.

  126. mikeeg says: Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM

    Flynn>Rodgers

  127. jessethegreat says: Jan 3, 2012 9:58 PM

    Who says the Packers won’t re-sign Flynn during the 10 day window or whatever it is that teams are only allowed to negociate with their own free agents? It might not be the best decision by Flynn to do this, but he would get a contract close to what he’s worth. It would allow the Packers to get max compensation for him, and allow him more ease in transitioning to starter for another team than the franchise tag would allow for.

  128. smedley61 says: Jan 4, 2012 12:10 AM

    Incidentally, for those who may not have watched the game, Rodgers was sporting the headset on the sideling and did much of the play calling in the first half.

  129. johnnyb216 says: Jan 4, 2012 6:48 AM

    Matt flynn=Matt hassellbeck

  130. play4blood says: Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM

    1. If Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, that’s one helluva system. Don’t change a damn thing.

    2. You absolutely franchise this guy. As QB starved as this league is, Flynn would bring some good compensation. A pair of 2nd round picks is the absolute bottom end of what they should get for him.

    3. The bigger risk is the chance you take on Jermichael Finley seeking greener pastures. Green Bay should go ahead and make him the league’s highest paid TE and nip that risk in the bud.

    4. Did Flynn cost Rodgers MVP votes? Possibly. But not enough that he won’t share the award with Drew Brees, which is what should happen anyway.

  131. bnwillard says: Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM

    Jeez, why are so many nfl qbs named Matt?

  132. purpleisreallypinkyouknow says: Jan 4, 2012 5:03 PM

    promickey says:Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM

    Peter King calls it a system QB but more correctly stated the Green Bay Packers have a great team with the best group of receivers in the NFL which will make any QB look better.

    __________________________________

    You take a look across that Saints team receiving corp along with TE Jimmy Graham and tell me the Saints aren’t right there, or even a hair better…especially with Jennings hurt and the Saints using Sproles out wide and on kick return where Cobb and Nelson have been there for the Packers.

    ##################################

    play4blood says:Jan 4, 2012 8:36 AM

    4. Did Flynn cost Rodgers MVP votes? Possibly. But not enough that he won’t share the award with Drew Brees, which is what should happen anyway.

    __________________________________

    Any sportswriter/voter with a brain in his head knows Brees had a killer season, but also knows he plays in a girly dome against the NFC South, which is is a fairly weak division…and in warm weather consistently. Look at any current 2011 strength of schedule and the Saints have the 20th, while the Packers are 29th or 30th. (Steelers 15th too, wtf?)

    Then, compare the WR and RB depth and weapons and solid O-line of what the Saints have versus what the Packers have (or don’t have) and then try to reason rationally that Brees is actually the MVP……not a flippin’ chance.

  133. boisestatewhodat says: Jan 4, 2012 5:07 PM

    The Saints create a much bigger dilemma for the Packers than Flynn making Rodgers expendable…you’ll see soon enough.

  134. pftuser says: Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM

    “If I had that team, I would have scored 12 TD’s and thrown for 960 yards, all while wearing my wranglers and a pair of crocks.”

    –Brett Favre

  135. Revolution22 says: Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM

    “This is a QB driven league and come this April there will be at least 3 teams that will spend their first round pick on a QB that may or may not pan out at the NFL level. If I’m the GM and need a QB, I would gladly sign Flynn and send my first rounder to Green Bay. At least you know he can play right away………..its a better risk.”

    Miami needs him. St. Louis may need him, and actually, he’d probably be better for Denver than overrated Teblow. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Vikings TRY to make a big push for him. I’m betting SOMEONE pulls the trigger on Flynn come Draft time, or possibly in March when we put the tag on.

    Hopefully an early 1st rounder too. Wynn is OK, but we need a big, pass rushing Right End.

  136. sigma1932 says: Jan 5, 2012 7:55 AM

    To everyone saying “he hasn’t proven anything” and “he’s only started two games”… Matt Hasselbeck was in the same position behind #4, and he was at least a good enough game-manager to get the Seahawks to a SB, and after he moved to Tennesee this season, he also turned Kenny Britt (before he blew out his knee) from a slightly above average player into a top-5 receiving threat.

    No reason Flynn couldn’t do the same.

  137. ihateyoujeff says: Jan 5, 2012 9:28 PM

    Tag Jermichael Finley…. let Flynn walk. End of story.

  138. hawkman84 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:26 AM

    @sigma1932:

    If you think Hasselbeck was a “game-manager,” you are completely out of your mind!

    Game-managers don’t endure 10 yr stretches as the unheralded starting QB of a franchise like Hasselbeck endured.

    And more poignantly, in 2007 when the running game is virtually non-existent, the head coach doesn’t openly declare that the fate of the season falls squarely on the arm of a “game-manager.”

    And during said season, “game-managers” don’t answer the call and lead their team to the playoffs. Not to mention, a postseason victory.

    Matt Hasselbeck is an above-average, very underrated QB who never got the full amount of credit and ink as you would think when you go back and actually look at his efficiency and numbers over the years.

    So you can take that game-manager stuff and apply it elsewhere…cuz it don’t fit with Hass, buddy!

  139. seoulpatrol says: Jan 6, 2012 10:34 AM

    duanethomas says:Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM

    Tebow has more upside and is a winner since grade school.

    —————————–

    Your man crush is showing – and not in a good way…

    And no way the Packers tag Flynn; the cost is too high and it would be inconsistent with the way Ted operates…

  140. discosucs2005 says: Jan 6, 2012 10:01 PM

    Some Packer fans are suggesting a franchise tag/trade scenario. While this is possible, you have to consider what that gives Flynn. No team will trade for a franchise tagged player unless they’re sure they can get him signed to a long term deal, which means Flynn will get to pick his destination, which (potentially) decreases potential suiters.

  141. golonger says: Jan 8, 2012 8:23 PM

    Insert Flynn as starter…..trade Rodgers….Flynn’s last game shows Rodgers is over-rated!!!!!!!

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