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Shurmur won’t say if McCoy, Hillis have a future in Cleveland

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Browns coach Pat Shurmur shared some thoughts today on where the franchise is heading in 2012, but he declined to commit to either quarterback Colt McCoy or running back Peyton Hillis as part of the team next season.

Shurmur did say that he has seen improvement in McCoy.

“The game starts in the huddle with the play-call, being able to direct things, get guys lined up,” Shurmur said. “I saw him become more efficient on some of the basic progressions. I saw him make some better plays outside the pocket later in the year better than he did earlier in the year. Leadership, being able to get guys lined up properly.”

But no matter how much improvement McCoy makes on play calling, directing the offense and going through progressions, the fundamental question remains whether he passes the ball well enough to succeed as an NFL quarterback. Shurmur declining to commit to McCoy suggests that the coach is yet to be convinced that McCoy is an NFL-quality passer.

As for Hillis, he seemed headed out of town in the middle of the season, but Shurmur said he was impressed with the way Hillis continued to work hard and contribute late in the year.

“Peyton and I had a great conversation yesterday,” Shurmur said. “I’ll tell you what, all-star player who was dealing with injury early in the middle part of the year and then came back, and gosh, I really like what he did at the end of the season. But that’s one of those questions I really can’t answer at this point.”

Shurmur also wouldn’t talk about anyone the Browns might take in the NFL draft. With the fourth overall pick, the Browns may have an opportunity to draft Baylor’s Robert Griffin III, whom Shurmur has previously gushed about as having the talent to do more than just get guys lined up properly.

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  1. 4ever19 says: Jan 3, 2012 5:39 PM

    I am kind of hoping RGIII won’t be around to tempt the Browns. I am kind of hoping my beloved Colts will snap him up, that they will have a mobile rocket-armed QB who will spend a couple of years learning under HC-in-waiting Peyton Manning.

  2. Bubby Brister says: Jan 3, 2012 5:45 PM

    Hillis and McCoy aren’t the main problem. This thing is deep-seated and Shurmur, who is a joke of a headcoach, is included in that.

    I say this as a Steelers fan not to troll but because I’m actually sick of beating the Browns every time they play the Steelers and genuinely want to see them fix all of this and restore the rivalry.

  3. djbrown0811 says: Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM

    If RG3 is there at #4 I would be shocked if he didn’t end up a Cleveland Brown. McCoy looks like a serviceable backup, but this team needs a franchise QB and this draft has two of ‘em. As for Hillis, I say dump him. RB is a position pretty easily filled nowadays.

  4. tjg25 says: Jan 3, 2012 5:47 PM

    I agree with 4ever19 though I’m not a Colt fan. I’m not sold on Luck and a couple years of RGIII working with Manning would be a great decision. No matter what the Browns need a QB because Colt NEVER had what it takes to be starting QB in the NFL. Just admit you wasted a few years and move on.

  5. brenenostler says: Jan 3, 2012 5:48 PM

    @ 4ever19

    I’m a colts fan too. I dont think RG3 is right for our offense. He’s a mobile QB, and our system is for pocket passers. I think Andrew Luck would fit perfectly though.

    With that said, the Browns need to draft RG3. McCoy might be improving but he’s not going to win them a championship. The Panthers banked on Clausen last year and it paid off. Browns need to do the same. Otherwise Holmgren and Shurmur might lose their jobs.

  6. kosarkid says: Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM

    I think we need an NFL-Quality head coach. If we’re going down the path of another new QB might as well get another HC at the same time. That way we’ll finally have a QB that is the head coach’s guy who he is committed to. Prediction: Browns draft RG3, expectations become too high in Cleveland. Fans say well we got the QB we wanted, must be the HC that needs to go. Bring in HC year after that with RG3, still can’t compete. Give up on RG3 and keep the HC. Our team needs some consistency. I say give Colt / Hillis another year to prove themselves. Draft Blackmon with the #4, if he’s there. Get RT with the other 1st round pick we got from the falcons last year. Not that complicated of a thing to do here.

  7. pacodawg says: Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM

    Trent Richardson will be the pick. Elite player, no baggage, sure thing. Book it.

  8. pacodawg says: Jan 3, 2012 5:51 PM

    If your not sold on Luck you don’t know football period.

  9. tking63 says: Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM

    The Browns wonder why they are the Browns. If you want to be successful try surrounding your QB some “Talent” first. If anything you should be shopping your pick to trade back and gather more picks. RGIII will not make your better unless he can throw,run and catch to himself.

  10. pacodawg says: Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM

    Tannehill willbe an excellent pro QB.

  11. mikeeg says: Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM

    MEHcoy is more of a bench warmer in my book

  12. thefiesty1 says: Jan 3, 2012 5:55 PM

    He doesn’t have ANYBODY to pass the ball to! They’ve GOT to get him (or any other QB) some REAL teammates.

  13. czechm8d says: Jan 3, 2012 6:09 PM

    Bubby Brister is totally correct. As a Ravens fan and former Colt season ticket holder, I remember the battles the old Browns gave the Old Colts. It was epic football. Since the Browns came back in 1999, it’s been pretty much of a one-way affair with the Ravens (now no longer the old Browns, BTW) and every year when the schedule comes out it’s a no-brainer to chalk up 2 W’s against the Browns.

    I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Browns cannot progress. Ownership? Front Office? Business Model? Who knows?

  14. sterilizecromartie says: Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM

    @ the commenters doubting Luck

    Did you not see him put on an absolute clinic last night in the bowl game? The kid is already better than half the starting QBs in the NFL. Smart, great arm, mastered a pro-style offense in college, incredibly accurate. What’s not to like?

  15. thunderskins007 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM

    letting go of winslow was a great way to develope mccoy.

  16. bigjdve says: Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM

    @sterilizecromartie

    The clinic that he still lost because at the end of the day, he had to rely on a kicker.

    He is better then 1/2 the NFL QBs, what are you the head of his fan club? He is good college teams, he hasn’t played against pros yet.

    The pro games is a bigger faster game, I do believe that Luck and arguably the best passer in the draft, however I still think he will have to adjust to the pros, if he was going into a playoff team he might be great to begin, however he will be going to a team that is obviously missing something on offense, not just a QB.

  17. fanofbrowns17 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:34 PM

    Go after Flynn as future QB and draft Blackmon or Richardson with 4th pick.

  18. JackLeone says: Jan 3, 2012 6:49 PM

    Sounds to me like they’re out! If they were staying, why not give the good old fashion “vote of confidence” aka “these are our guys. we’ll do everything in our power to bring them back & try to build on the young foundation..” etc. Go ahead & end all speculation vs. leaving the seed of doubt.

  19. schmitty2 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:50 PM

    Shurmur runs the most conserative boring offense known to man and it’s highly doubtful he would utilize RGIII’s ability to be a running qb. This alone should make Browns fans cringe

  20. rowdymon says: Jan 3, 2012 6:50 PM

    RG3 won’t be there at 4. Someone is going to trade with the Rams and Rams will take the additional picks. So unless the Browns trade up, they will take Blackmon or Richardson. I just want the Browns to focus on the offensive side this time around. The games are boring to watch.

  21. steelhammer92 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:53 PM

    RG3 will get killed playing for the Browns in the AFC North. He’ll have nobody talented to throw the ball to and will wind up taking off running too many times for his own good. Four games against the Steelers and Ravens, and another two games against the up-and-coming Bengals defense won’t bode well for his future. I just don’t see him holding up with his style of play. He’s about the same size as McCoy.

    Everyone will say “Cam Newton.” Well, Cam has 3 inches and at least 30 pounds on RG3, and plays in a much softer division.

  22. brenenostler says: Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM

    If the QB is good, he’ll make his receivers good. I had never heard of Wes Welker before he went to the Patriots. Tom Brady makes his WRs good.

    No one had heard of Austin Collie and Pierre Garçon coming out of college, and Manning made them good.

    Besides Colston, had anyone heard of the receivers the Saints have before Brees made them good?

    See my point? Now they do need a good O line, but WRs isn’t a problem. Colt is the problem. Tom Brady would be just as good in Cleveland. So yes they need to draft.

  23. sterilizecromartie says: Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM

    pacodawg says:Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM

    Trent Richardson will be the pick. Elite player, no baggage, sure thing. Book it.
    ——–
    Richardson is a beast, but I just don’t think you can justify taking a RB in the top 5 anymore. It’s a passing league. Having a great RB doesn’t guarantee anything. Look at the Vikes, Eagles, and Jags. All-pro RBs not in the playoffs. Yet teams with Ryan Grant and Benjarvis Green Ellis are Super Bowl favorites. Passing league. Gotta get that QB.

  24. borisbulldog says: Jan 3, 2012 6:57 PM

    Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM

    The Browns wonder why they are the Browns. If you want to be successful try surrounding your QB some “Talent” first

    ———————————————————-

    Obviously you’re not to hip on the NFL!

    That’s what the Browns did last year. Julio Jones ring a bell?

    The Browns drafted D last year and they went from #29 overall with Rex Ryan to #12 with Dick Jauron.

    This year they hold 4 of the top 70 picks and will concentrate on the offenssive side.

    Blackmon is worthy of a top 4 pick, Richardson ain’t!

  25. tednancy says: Jan 3, 2012 7:05 PM

    thunderskins007 says: Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM

    letting go of winslow was a great way to develope mccoy.
    ===============================

    Winslow was traded to Tampa in 2009 when McCoy was still at Texas. FYI.

  26. sterilizecromartie says: Jan 3, 2012 7:11 PM

    bigjdve says:Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM

    @sterilizecromartie

    The clinic that he still lost because at the end of the day, he had to rely on a kicker.

    He is better then 1/2 the NFL QBs, what are you the head of his fan club? He is good college teams, he hasn’t played against pros yet.

    The pro games is a bigger faster game, I do believe that Luck and arguably the best passer in the draft, however I still think he will have to adjust to the pros, if he was going into a playoff team he might be great to begin, however he will be going to a team that is obviously missing something on offense, not just a QB.
    ———
    He went 27 of 31 for 350, 2 TDs and one pick. But, ya his kicker missed three field goals. So, I guess that means he is a loser. Is that what you are implying? SMH.

    If we are talking ALL NFL QBs (including 2nd and 3rd stringers) then he is easily better than half of them. As for just the starters, I say he is better right now than the starters on the Dolphins, Jets, Jags, Chiefs, Broncos, Browns, Redskins, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks, Bucs, and Vikings. Thats 12 out of 32. So maybe closer to 1/3 of the starters. So I exagerrated a little. Who doesn’t?

  27. thefiesty1 says: Jan 3, 2012 7:24 PM

    45 wins in college, period. There is obviously something wrong with the rest of the team. Apparently there are no blockers, receivers, running backs in Cleveland. I said last year to move up and take AJ Green, but No. Give the guy some help, he’ll be fine.

    Typical of the Browns though, they’ll screw up the #4 pick.
    Some teams just Never get it. Ownership, management, coaching, there is SNAFU.

  28. artflooney says: Jan 3, 2012 7:24 PM

    Every year in training camp, for the last 12 years, all we’ve heard is “it’s not about wins and losses this year, we just want to see improvement.” Before that it was “There’s no way Modell would move the Browns!” and before that it was “The Browns are the AFC favorites to go to the super bowl, and that Family Ties is the best sitcom on tv” My point is, I don’t have a point. We stink.

  29. rajbais says: Jan 3, 2012 7:25 PM

    They don’t!!!

  30. jdlaroo says: Jan 3, 2012 8:00 PM

    Does Pat Shurmur have a future in Cleveland?

  31. civilwarfish says: Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM

    The Browns will draft wisely.

    First pick fourth overall is Johnathan Martin, OT, Stanford. This guy is protecting Andrew Luck and obviously doing it well. We need a stud right tackle to compliment Joe Thomas. This is the guy to power up the trenches. Second pick, somewhere in the low 20s when Atlanta would have picked is Alshon Jeffery, Wide Reciever from South Carolina. Hes the man and hes gonna be there when this pick comes up,

    Second round we pick fourth and we take Chase Minnifield, a very find Corner from Virginia. Across from Haden, he helps make the secondary first class. And a most suitable last name for a Browns Defensive back.

    Hillis is gonna find out the money out there isnt that good and He and the Browns will find happy ground for a one year contract. This will allow him to put down a good year and increase his value and allow the Browns another year to develop.

    McCoy leads for another year and with Jeffery and the emerging Greg Little becomes a much more proficient passer. Cribbs makes it three and we have a recieving corps. Our Tight ends are great.

    Hillis allows us to take and develop a third rounder at running back and we sign John Abraham after making a run at Robert Mathis and Marcus Benard resigns. In a somewhat surprising move, we sign linebacker Anthony Spencer from the Cowboys and plug him into the system knowing that the LB corps still needs work. We draft another prospect in the 4th round as well.

    New faces fill gaps. The Browns lack depth and it wont fill in one year. Of course the names I just posted are all hypothetical. But look for the Browns to make big moves this year.

  32. aj303 says: Jan 3, 2012 8:48 PM

    Does Pat Shurmur have a future in cleveland?

  33. pmars64 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:09 PM

    @civilwarfish
    No way do the Browns draft an OT with the 4th pick. You only draft one that high if he is penciled in as your starting LEFT tackle for the next dozen years. You don’t draft right tackles that high EVER. You draft QBs, DTs or DEs, CBs, and maybe WRs that high because quality guys to fill those positions are scarce. Quality right tackles can be had in the 4th round or lower.

    I have no idea how the Browns will draft but I’d be really shocked if they don’t do something to upgrade the QB position in the off-season. Either through the draft or free agency or both. Colt McCoy is a great kid, but he’s shown to have limited skills. Shurmur gets some blame for that lousy offense and Heckert/Holmgren get some blame for not upgrading the offensive skill positions, but Colt is not the answer at QB. If the Browns do make major upgrades to their offense this off-season, I’m checking out until they hire the right front office folks to make the needed changes.

  34. djbrown0811 says: Jan 3, 2012 9:12 PM

    With all due respect to civilwarfish, hypothetically it sounds fantastic but you have to look at reality here. Your defense is in pretty decent shape with Haden and Phil Taylor up front, not to mention D’Q had a fantastic season at LB. The problem is that anemic offense. McCoy did nothing to convince me he can be a starter, let alone take a team to the playoffs. Hillis thought he’d cash in after last season and didn’t, and we saw what he’s really worth. I think Montario Hardesty can be a pretty productive RB when he’s healthy, but they need a passing attack to put fear into opposing defenses before Hardesty can really rip. It’s been said 1,000 times but it’s true. The NFL is a passing league these days, you’re not gonna succeed with a 2nd/3rd tier QB at the helm.

  35. pacodawg says: Jan 3, 2012 9:30 PM

    If thte Browns pass on Griffin it will be Richardson. Heckert has ALWAYS said he takes the best available player. Blackmon is 6’1 only with a selfish, bad attitude. Just sayin, if not Griffin then it will be Richardson. It’s much easier to find stud WR than a stud QB, just look around he league. You need to roll the dice with a QB if you think he is the answer!

  36. pacodawg says: Jan 3, 2012 9:34 PM

    BTW Julio Jones has Matt Ryan throwing to win, take off at least 35% of his numbers if Mccoy’s throwing to him.

  37. hook3724 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:08 PM

    The Browns need to protect their QB. Both on the field and in the media like now. Why is this even a question? Lets be honest if you are even considering getting rid of McCoy or drafting RG3 you dont make it public. Your fan base is tired of the empty promises so it wont help there and all your doing is pissing on your current QB who isn’t surrounded by much and is on the run for his life with every snap he takes.

    Again I think the best PR move here with Colt is saying he is our guy for now. Hell I dont think I would even be upset if you said but “he will have to earn that spot in camp” which by the way there was not one this year and Shurmur brought in his new lame duck offense.

    I think Colt can be a decent NFL QB. But he does need help. This is a QB driven league. So much that they take all the credit and/or the blame. Its not totally his fault. Hes still young and has enough talent. From here on out its coaching and building his confidence. You must show your starting QB in a QB driven league your behind them. Hell tell the truth for now even if you know it maybe a lie tomorrow. It just helps the entire situation. Things like this is why the Browns will continue to be bad. The need to change the outlook and the environment. Act like your enjoying life a little at least. I mean your getting paid millions to do what some would do for a pat on the back and a free cheeseburger.

    Or you know keep going with what works… er wait….

  38. yevrag3535 says: Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM

    What about Shurmur, he couldn’t win at the pop warner level.

  39. waxedagain says: Jan 3, 2012 10:11 PM

    RGIII? There have only been a handfull of successful black QB careers in the NFL. Maturity and discipline are often an issue.

  40. stl45fan says: Jan 3, 2012 10:48 PM

    RG3 won’t make it to #4 pick. Rams will be shopping the pick so if Cleveland wants him, then they have to trade up. Rams want Blackmon but don’t want to go past the 6th Pick.

  41. tatum064 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM

    brenenostler says:
    Jan 3, 2012 5:48 PM
    @ 4ever19

    I’m a colts fan too. I dont think RG3 is right for our offense. He’s a mobile QB, and our system is for pocket passers. I think Andrew Luck would fit perfectly though.

    With that said, the Browns need to draft RG3. McCoy might be improving but he’s not going to win them a championship. The Panthers banked on Clausen last year and it paid off. Browns need to do the same. Otherwise Holmgren and Shurmur might lose their jobs.

    ===================

    RGIII is the truth.

    How did the Panthers “banking on Clausen” payoff? He disappeared and Derek Anderson became the back-up there.

    plus, how do you know RGIII couldn’t be a pocket passer? Cool, let RGII slip right to Miami – did Cam Newton not teach people ANYTHING?

    And you wonder why Josh Cribbs says “Im sick of losing!”

  42. tatum064 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:12 PM

    I’m a colts fan too. I dont think RG3 is right for our offense. He’s a mobile QB, and our system is for pocket passers. I think Andrew Luck would fit perfectly though.

    With that said, the Browns need to draft RG3. McCoy might be improving but he’s not going to win them a championship. The Panthers banked on Clausen last year and it paid off. Browns need to do the same. Otherwise Holmgren and Shurmur might lose their jobs.
    ========================

    Of course, Indy could use RGIII as well, let Washington take Andrew Luck. And you don’t know if Manning would moving on to the Jets, anyway?

  43. unstoppable3288 says: Jan 3, 2012 11:49 PM

    its possible but i hope luck doesnt turn out like bradford. they do look a lot alike

  44. mangoldbond says: Jan 4, 2012 1:39 AM

    steelhammer92 says:Jan 3, 2012 6:53 PM

    “Everyone will say “Cam Newton.” Well, Cam has 3 inches and at least 30 pounds on RG3, and plays in a much softer division.”

    Are the bengals cheerleaders your source on this one? Athank you.

  45. bearsstillsuck says: Jan 4, 2012 3:47 AM

    If tebow is a starter than he should be too.

  46. mikemcdorman says: Jan 4, 2012 4:18 AM

    Cleveland, who has six picks in the first 4 rounds, needs to bundle the #4 overall pick with next year’s first round, this year’s 2nd round and next year’s third round, throw in McCoy and try to move up for Luck.

    Then take Alshon Jeffrey in the 20s from Atlanta and a right tackle in the 3rd round. Pick up a vet WR in free agency and resign Hillis. All of this in addition to bringing in an OC.

    I watched every single Browns game this year (like every year). That would transform the offense.

    If Indy’s selling, we ought to be buying. Period.

  47. famucancer says: Jan 4, 2012 6:59 AM

    waxedagain says: Jan 3, 2012 10:11 PM

    RGIII? There have only been a handfull of successful black QB careers in the NFL. Maturity and discipline are often an issue.
    ______________________________

    And how many unsuccessful white QBs have there been? See how stupid you are now?

  48. mrfrostyj says: Jan 4, 2012 9:17 AM

    Top headline in Cleveland is “Browns searching for offensive coordinator”. If you think the Browns offensive problems were on McCoy or Hillis and not Schurmers complete failure at managing the game AND play calling, you’re fooling yourself. Regressing from last season McCoy is still the best QB of his draft class in EVERY category and when Hillis was healthy he was still pulling off 100 yards + a game. I seriously doubt it was either of those two burning timeouts at the wrong time as the offense was making their weekly comebacks in the 4th quarter just to fall short or passing on 3rd and a half an inch when Hillis averages that if he sneezes when he gets the handoff. Lets not forget the failed Brian Robiskie project where he took up a roster spot while Lebron James twin Greg Little rode the pine the first half of the season. What universe does drafting a first round QB to a team who’s receivers lead the league in dropped passes yearly makes the team magically better? Didn’t they do that to Tim Couch and how did that work out?

  49. chins89gt says: Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM

    mikemcdorman says:
    Jan 4, 2012 4:18 AM
    Cleveland, who has six picks in the first 4 rounds, needs to bundle the #4 overall pick with next year’s first round, this year’s 2nd round and next year’s third round, throw in McCoy and try to move up for Luck.

    I watched every single Browns game this year (like every year). That would transform the offense.

    If Indy’s selling, we ought to be buying. Period

    I agree with your thinking here. Lets not waste away six more years of the talent we actually have landed. Thomas, Cribbs, Hillis,Rubin, DQ, and recent drafts. RG3 might be great, dont gamble with vick size. Mcnabb size, Big Ben, Newton, and im sold with him as well. Needs to be at least 6’2 at combine.

  50. chins89gt says: Jan 4, 2012 11:08 AM

    1. Fact! You dont draft RT at #4 in any draft.

    2. RG3 has to have the right size to be a pick anywhere this high. I have a feeling at the combine he is going to come in closer to Vick size than we can afford that high in the draft. I think Flynn is barely 6’2 as well.

    3. If this years 2 #1’s plus next years can get us luck you go for it.

    4. Unless you get Luck or RG3 measures up Browns probably should stay the course again and hope the OC can help. Shurmurs play calling sucked. Colt didnt do much to change minds either way. No running game, lots of drops, bad play calling, BUT also no WOW plays from him either.

  51. mymanmccoy says: Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM

    1. Draft Blackmon at #4

    2. Get Flynn through free agency

    3. Get the right side of the line shored up

    4. An OC will ONLY help matters!

  52. shadylamp says: Jan 10, 2012 1:50 AM

    All of us Cleveland Fans ever talk about is quarterback and running back but I can tell you exactly why we suck every year:

    1.) Letting the wrong people go. We had the best special teams coach in the NFL and last season, we let this guy go the the 49ers. Surprising our special teams was awful this year and the 49ers special teams is ranked #1. Of course. Losing Vickers was huge. Owen who? at full back is horrible at run blocking.

    2.) Not starting the right people and knowing how to evaluate talent. The entire right side of the offensive line is the worst I’ve seen in 15 years. Those 3 guys personally accounted for 3 interceptions and 4 fumbles this year. Lauvino and Pashos would not even make any other NFL roster let alone start.

    3.) Play calling. Handing off to a tight end is 100% on you Shurmer. That crap doesn’t even happen in highschool.

    That’s it. Hold on to your talent and evaluate well and you will win. Our defense is dramatically better, now lets see if we can draft an offense.

  53. bebopa says: Jan 13, 2012 5:59 PM

    Ravens fan here, the Browns were once my team and i was proud to be a fan, but this new organization does not have a clue.

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