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Rodgers tops Brees easily, Megatron and Allen lead All-Pro voting

Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees shake hands after their NFL football game in Green Bay Reuters

There’s been some talk this week that Drew Brees may have caught Aaron Rodgers in the Most Valuable Player race, but the voting on the Associated Press All-Pro team makes it clear that most members of the media view Rodgers as the superior player.

The full All-Pro votes were released today, and Rodgers was the overwhelming choice at quarterback, with 47.5 votes. Brees got the other 2.5 votes from the 50-member media panel.

There were no unanimous choices at any position, but two players came close: Lions receiver Calvin Johnson and Vikings defensive end Jared Allen were the highest vote getters at any position, with 49 votes apiece.

The full voting results are below.

Quarterback

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, 47.5; Drew Brees, New Orleans, 2.5.

Running Backs

Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville, 40; LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia, 29; Ray Rice, Baltimore, 24; Arian Foster, Houston, 3; Frank Gore, San Francisco, 1; Matt Forte, Chicago, 1; Darren Sproles, New Orleans, 1.

Fullback

Vonta Leach, Baltimore, 42; John Kuhn, Green Bay, 6; Marcel Reece, Oakland, 2.

Tight End

Rob Gronkowski, New England, 44.5; Jimmy Graham, New Orleans, 5.5.

Wide Receivers

Calvin Johnson, Detroit, 49; Wes Welker, New England, 23; Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona, 15; Victor Cruz, New York Giants, 9; Steve Smith, Carolina, 2; Jordy Nelson, Green Bay, 1; Mike Wallace, Pittsburgh, 1.

Tackles

Jason Peters, Philadelphia, 27; Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 19; Duane Brown, Houston, 11; Joe Staley, San Francisco, 11; Eric Winston, Houston, 10; Jake Long, Miami, 5; Jermon Bushrod, New Orleans, 3; Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati, 3; Bryan Bulaga, Green Bay, 3; Michael Oher, Baltimore, 2; Jared Veldheer, Oakland, 2; Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1; Anthony Davis, San Francisco, 1; Jordan Gross, Carolina, 1; Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1.

Guards

Jahri Evans, New Orleans, 29; Carl Nicks, New Orleans, 27; Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 17; Logan Mankins, New England, 10; Brian Waters, New England, 5; Chris Kuper, Denver, 4; Davin Joseph, Tampa Bay, 3; Chris Snee, New York Giants, 2; Evan Mathis, Philadelphia, 2; Mike Iupati, San Francisco, 1.

Center

Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh, 13; Ryan Kalil, Carolina, 11; Nick Mangold, New York Jets, 11; Chris Myers, Houston, 7; Scott Wells, Green Bay, 7; John Sullivan, Minnesota, 1.

Kicker

David Akers, San Francisco, 32; Sebastian Janikowski, Oakland, 14; Rob Bironas, Tennessee, 1; Matt Bryant, Atlanta, 1; Matt Prater, Denver, 1; Josh Scobee, Jacksonville, 1.

Kick Returner

Patrick Peterson, Arizona, 33; Devin Hester, Chicago, 10; Darren Sproles, New Orleans, 3; Ted Ginn Jr., San Francisco, 2; Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh, 1; Joe McKnight, New York Jets, 1.

Defensive End

Jared Allen, Minnesota, 49; Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants, 34; Justin Smith, San Francisco, 9; Jason Babin, Philadelphia, 7; Elvis Dumervil, Denver, 1.

Tackles

Haloti Ngata, Baltimore, 38; Justin Smith, San Francisco, 35; Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 9; Richard Seymour, Oakland, 5; Vince Wilfork, New England, 5; B.J. Raji, Green Bay, 1; Calais Campbell, Arizona, 1; Henry Melton, Chicago, 1; Mike Patterson, Philadelphia, 1; Sione Pouha, New York Jets, 1; Jay Ratliff, Dallas, 1; Ndamukong Suh, Detroit, 1; J.J. Watt, Houston, 1.

Outside Linebackers

Terrell Suggs, Baltimore, 47; DeMarcus Ware, Dallas, 42; Tamba Hali, Kansas City, 4; Von Miller, Denver, 4; Clay Matthews, Green Bay, 2; Sean Weatherspoon, Atlanta, 1.

Inside Linebackers

Patrick Willis, San Francisco, 32; NaVorro Bowman, San Francisco, 16; Derrick Johnson, Kansas City, 16; Brian Cushing, Houston, 13; London Fletcher, Washington, 8; Ray Lewis, Baltimore, 3; Brian Urlacher, Chicago, 3; Daryl Washington, Arizona, 3; Lance Briggs, Chicago, 2; D’Qwell Jackson, Cleveland, 2; DeMeco Ryans, Houston, 1; Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh, 1.

Cornerbacks

Darrelle Revis, NY Jets, 48; Charles Woodson, Green Bay, 19; Johnathan Joseph, Houston, 18; Carlos Rogers, San Francisco, 10; Champ Bailey, Denver, 3; Brandon Flowers, Kansas City, 1; Charles Tillman, Chicago, 1.

Safeties

Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh, 29; Eric Weddle, San Diego, 20; Ed Reed, Baltimore, 17; Earl Thomas, Seattle, 16; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, 5; Adrian Wilson, Arizona, 4; Dashon Goldson, San Francisco, 3; Jairus Byrd, Buffalo, 2; Bernard Pollard, Baltimore, 2; Roman Harper, New Orleans, 1; Tyvon Branch, Oakland, 1.

Punter

Andy Lee, San Francisco, 29; Shane Lechler, Oakland, 20; Britton Colquitt, Denver, 1.

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184 Responses to “Rodgers tops Brees easily, Megatron and Allen lead All-Pro voting”
  1. ducej11 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM

    How the hell is Megatron and Jared Allen not unanimous selections? That is proof enough that some people need to lose their votes.

  2. jaggedmark says: Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM

    Okay, who’s the idiot that didn’t vote for Calvin Johnson (most receiving yards in the NFL, and most TDs for a WR)?

    We need a name, and that person needs to lose their voting credentials.

  3. deconjonesbitchslap says: Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM

    are you referring to the nfl’s all time single season sack leader, jared allen?

  4. contra74 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM

    Brees>Rodgers

    Matt Flynn showed that even a second stringer can step in and do a good job with the weapons around him.

  5. deepseabreeze says: Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM

    whatever. tim tebow is on god’s all pro list and that’s all that matters

  6. bhester1906 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM

    So London Fletcher is behind Urlacher in Pro Bowl voting but in front in the All-Pro voting? Am I the only one he thinks this type of thing happens too often?

  7. slyordie says: Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM

    Eric Weddle made the 1st team over Ed Reed? Even as a Charger fan I’m shocked.

  8. virger says: Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM

    Brees>Rodgers

    Matt Flynn showed that even a second stringer can step in and do a good job with the weapons around him.
    ——-

    No. Matt Flynn showed that Detroit has an awful secondary. You’re foolish if you think Flynn could have sustained that performance over the course of a full season, like Rodgers.

  9. deepseabreeze says: Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM

    janikowski and lechler were shafted. they are both respectively the best at their positions. the niners winning this year is the only reason akers and lee were first team all pro over them

  10. mikeeg says: Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM

    who cares about the pro bowl… Hasn’t any Jet players been arrested or melted down yet today?

  11. mikeinsanfran says: Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM

    Congrats to the 49ers for leading the NFL with 5 first team All-Pros. Bowman and Willis will dominate the middle of that defense for years to come!!

  12. rexismybff says: Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM

    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

  13. dgbk says: Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM

    @ contra

    u make it seem like brees doesnt have weapons or playin mostly in doors to help him

  14. klunge says: Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM

    deconjonesbitchslap says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM
    are you referring to the nfl’s all time single season sack leader, jared allen?
    ———————————————–
    No he isn’t, he missed Strahan’s record.
    either way, NFC North is well represented this year.

  15. The Tight End says: Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM

    Very cool to NaVorro Bowman getting noticed. Surprised Victor Cruz didn’t get more votes but the three receivers above him earned their votes.

  16. rysol says: Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM

    Here come the NOLA fans who think Brees walks on water. Rodgers had BETTER STATS.

    Rodgers had NO bad games.

    10/16 – Brees 29/45 383 yds 1 TD; 3 INT as you lose to the 4-12 Bucs

    10/30 – Brees 30/44 269 yrd 1 TD; 2 INT as you lose to the 2- 14 Rams.

    Rodgers didn’t have ANY bad games. Rodgers led his team to the top seed. Brees laid in egg against two crap teams and as a result, earned his team playing time this weekend.

    His coach’s desire to keep throwing into the record books does not an MVP make. Nor does a long standing record that three guys came close to. And a fourth would have hit if he were played like Brees.

    If Rodgers threw as much as Brees, he’d have over 6,000 yds.

  17. jasonvining says: Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM

    I don’t see how so much weight is put towards QB rating, which is an arbitrary formula that people have been complaining about for years. I understand that the Packers are 15-1, but I think people will look back 20 years from now and just be amazed that Brees was overlooked for these awards after one of the best seasons a QB has ever had, statistically.

  18. timtheenchanter1 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM

    ducej11 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM

    How the hell is Megatron and Jared Allen not unanimous selections? That is proof enough that some people need to lose their votes.
    ———————–
    You could make a case (not a great one) for voting JPP and Justin Smith instead of Allen. Both those guys have been at least in the discussion for DPOY so there could conceivably be someone who thinks they are both better than Allen.

    However, anyone leaving Megatron off the list at WR is likely voting with an agenda.

  19. mgscott says: Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM

    Phil Dawson should be there. One of the best kickers in the league and kicks in the crap CLE weather.

  20. hscorpio says: Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM

    contra74 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM

    Brees>Rodgers

    Matt Flynn showed that even a second stringer can step in and do a good job with the weapons around him.
    ==============================

    You didn’t know that many QBs can do a good job with good weapons already? Matt Cassell wasn’t proof enough of that?

    Drew Brees has got some pretty good weapons around him, too. I wonder how Matt Flynn would do in that offense?

  21. NakedCowboy! says: Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM

    I concur except mike jenkins from cowboys should have made it on the list… and newman too…
    seriously!

  22. mikeeg says: Jan 6, 2012 2:26 PM

    Every thread turns into Packer/Saint fan arguing who has the better qb… Mine is better then yours, no mine is… What are we 5 again?

  23. gregjenningsfanclub says: Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM

    Matt Flynn could put up Brees like numbers if he stepped in and played QB in New Orleans. Flynn is a smart and talented QB, he would have success around any group of talented players.

    I hate when people keep knocking the Packers because they have so many weapons, that’s why Brees deserves the MVP. The Saints have a loaded offense with many talented players. What surprises me is that they didn’t finish better than 13-3, on top of that Sean Payton is more interested in individual stats that team stats. Which is why they will lose in the playoffs.

  24. popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    How come NO ONE is talking about Drew Brees throwing to Darren Sproles 86 times.

    Sproles has 710 recieving yards and leads the NFL in Yards After Catch (averaging 8 YAC). His YAC equal 688 yards.

    Take away Sproles’ YAC and Brees throws to him are only 3.7 yards each.

  25. cruells says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    Smith and Pierre-Paul over Jason Babin is just stupid..

    I get Jared Allen.. But those two just doesn’t make sense.

  26. uwsptke says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    Rodgers had the better regular season than Brees. There’s no denying it. You can point to the volume statistics all you want, but no QB has been so consistently lethal as Rodgers. He obtained these stats with over 100 less pass attempts than Brees. That’s at least THREE full games. Brees played at least 10 games in a dome. Rodgers played 3.

  27. timtheenchanter1 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM

    Interesting that Justin Smith got votes at both DT and DE.

  28. packerfan1000 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM

    Brees>Rodgers

    Matt Flynn showed that even a second stringer can step in and do a good job with the weapons around him.

    —————

    This is one of the most ignorant comments that can be made. Not only that, I’m assuming you’re a Saints fan, or just a Packer basher, but what are you saying about the talent around Brees?

    What about this season makes Brees better than Rodgers? Is it Rodgers head-to-head win against the Saints? Is it Brees total inconsistency in production between home games and road games? Is it Brees’ propensity to throw picks while Rodgers almost never throws them? Is it 15-1 vs 13-3?

    And if it’s the numbers, is it Rodgers’ fault that his coach rests him when his team has wrapped up the number 1 seed or when is team is up by 30 in the 3rd quarter? Is Brees>Rodgers because Brees is still throwing with 3 minutes left in blowout games (which only happen in the dome)?

    I’ll conclude the way I started…one of the most ignorant comments that can be made.

  29. mechajaguar says: Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM

    How did Paul Posluszny not get a vote? He basically has identical stats to Derrick Johnson.

  30. FinFan68 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM

    Which idiot gave 1/2 a vote to Rodgers and the other 1/2 to Brees? If you can’t make up your mind then you shouldn’t have the opportunity or privilege to cast a ballot.

  31. hscorpio says: Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM

    jasonvining says: Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM

    I don’t see how so much weight is put towards QB rating, which is an arbitrary formula that people have been complaining about for years
    ==================================

    If you paid careful attention to whether the winning or losing team had the QB with the better rating, you’d see why so much weight is put on it.

    And if you did the same thing with passing yards (or even yards in general), you’d see that is a more more arbitrary statistic, at least when it comes to wins and losses.

    The reality is that QB rating is hardly an arbitrary statistic. It hammers a QB for his 2nd interception, which greatly decreases a team’s chances of success. It rewards a high Yards/attempt far more than critics realize, especially if it is done with a high completion %. Those are the two most important statistics of a QB–(lack of) interceptions and high YPA.

  32. ilovefoolsball says: Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM

    All I see is that both Brees and Rodgers have 1 Superbowl ring.

    This year will tell the tale of who is bette QB.

    One ring, to rule them all.

  33. ilovefoolsball says: Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM

    All I see is that both Brees and Rodgers have 1 Superbowl ring.

    This year will tell the tale of who is better QB.

    One ring, to rule them all.

  34. skittlesareyum says: Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    I don’t see how so much weight is put towards QB rating, which is an arbitrary formula that people have been complaining about for years. I understand that the Packers are 15-1, but I think people will look back 20 years from now and just be amazed that Brees was overlooked for these awards after one of the best seasons a QB has ever had, statistically.

    I don’t get the hate for passer rating. It rewards touchdown percentage and yards per attempt and penalizes interceptions. People need to realize that most yards is not always the best. I value efficiency in my QB, which means getting the most per pass. Rodgers was first in yards per attempt and second in completion percentage. Does it matter if he didn’t get as many yards as Brees? Answer: no.

  35. johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    Oh contra,
    I pity you. The vikings haven’t had a qb as good as the packers backup ever in their entire existence. I would be bitter too.

  36. sjsuraider says: Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM

    It’s nice to see Veldheer, Reece, and Branch get some recognition

  37. seahawks4alltime says: Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM

    Seattle safeties snatch up 21 votes. Baltimore safeties snatch up 19 votes.

    I’m just wondering how Marshawn Lynch didn’t make the list of RB’s. Other than Jacksonville all of those teams have other valuable players. You take away Marshawn Lynch and Seattle has no offense in 2011. That is the definition of value. Lynch had as many rushing TDs as Ray Rice. Frank Gore rushed for a grand total of 7 more yards that Marshawn Lynch and only had 8 TDs. Lynch had more receptions for more yards and a touchdown while Frank Gore had zero receiving touchdowns. Marshawn Lynch is the only RB to rush for 100 yards or more and a TD against the 49ers Defense. A VERY strong case could be made that Marshawn Lynch deserves to be on this list instead of Frank Gore. The 49ers have their winning record because of their stout defense, NOT because of Frank Gore. The Seahawks won 7 games almost entirely thanks to Marshawn Lynch.

  38. bangithard says: Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM

    mikeeg says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM
    who cares about the pro bowl… Hasn’t any Jet players been arrested or melted down yet today?

    _______________________________

    Are you daft? simply cannot read? or do you have a difficult time thinking at a high level?

    there is no CONNECTION between the ALL -PRO team and the Pro Bowl teams

  39. dvdman123 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM

    Yawn……….all that matters is who’s team has the Lombardi in Feb.

  40. possiblecabbage says: Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM

    Maurkice Pouncey winning the vote for center surprises me. This is the first time I can recall that there were multiple people who were better than the guy who won the all-pro voting at his position.

    Houston’s Chris Myers, New York’s Nick Mangold, Minnesota’s John Sullivan, and Green Bay’s Scott Wells were all more impressive than Maurkice Pouncey this year (I didn’t see enough of Kalil to really comment).

    In fact, you can make a strong case that Maurkice Pouncey wasn’t even the best center in his family. Great rookie campaign for Maurkice, but he definitely took a step back in his second year.

  41. trollhammer20 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM

    Glad to see Thomas and Chancellor getting some love. Get a DE to complement Chris Clemons in pass-rushing situations, those two will go off-the-scale making plays on the ball. Seattle had a top-10 defense in yards allowed this year, but was bottom-half in sacks. Add to the sack total, and the interceptions will really start to mount up.

  42. sj39 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM

    If you are saying SB rings are the measure of a QBs greatness then you are saying that guys like Dilfer and Doug Williams were better QBs than Marino and Kelly. Right.

  43. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM

    klunge says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    deconjonesbitchslap says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM
    are you referring to the nfl’s all time single season sack leader, jared allen?
    ———————————————–
    No he isn’t, he missed Strahan’s record.
    either way, NFC North is well represented this year.
    ___________

    Strahan’s record has an asterisk next to it because Favre took a dive. Allen earned all of his sacks, and he didn’t get any coverage sacks. If he had a competent secondary behind him, he probably would have had 30 sacks.

  44. zaggs says: Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM

    “jaggedmark says: Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM

    Okay, who’s the idiot that didn’t vote for Calvin Johnson (most receiving yards in the NFL, and most TDs for a WR)?

    We need a name, and that person needs to lose their voting credentials.”

    Maybe because both numbers may have been surpassed by Victor Cruz had Cruz started in every Giants game (He only officially started in 7 games). Cruz was only like 150 yards behind Megatron despite being at best the 4th wideout til the 4th game. But as a second year player who didn’t play his first year to rack up 1500+ yards and 9 TD’s? Yeah, that may have factored into things.

  45. packerhater says: Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM

    Rogers MVP?Really?I guess throwing passes for 5-10 yards 90% of the time qualifies a person.

  46. packerjer says: Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM

    I’m guessing the 1 person who didn’t vote for Allen and Megatron was the same voter who gave BJ Raji a vote.

  47. Donald Whitaker says: Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM

    Brees had 155 more attempts. 155 attempts at A Rod’s average of 34 attempts a game is 4.5 games or 18 quarters. 155 more attempts at 68% is 105 completions. 105 completions at 9.2 a completion is 966 yards. That would put A Rod at 5,609 giving him the record.

    Packers scored 560 points in 988 plays. Saints scored 547 points in 1,117.

    Aaron Rodgers EFFICIENCY alone makes him the MVP this year over Brees.

  48. packerhater says: Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM

    johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    Oh contra,
    I pity you. The vikings haven’t had a qb as good as the packers backup ever in their entire existence. I would be bitter too.

    Guess we know who the teenagers are on here.Someone who never heard of Fran Tarkingtion who led if not all the most major passing records when he retired and in an age where the passing game was not favored by the rules and QB’s would get the crap beat out of them and when it was a run 1st league and a QB passes for more then 5-10 yards like Rodgers does all the time.

    Learn the history of the game son.

  49. trseann says: Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM

    @cruells

    Sure, Babin had more sacks than JPP. Super. Is that the only job they have? How many deflections does Babin have over JPP? How many field goal blocks does Babin have over JPP? How many tackles and run stuffs does Babin have over JPP?

  50. rpiotr01 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM

    Rodgers finished 16th (!!!) in pass attempts. Even if he played that final game until the end he still finishes around 10th.

    He finished 5th in passing yards, 2nd in TDs (to Brees), 1st in passer rating, 1st in YPA, 2nd in completion percentage (to Brees) – all despite playing the equivalent of 5 less games, and playing only 3 dome games, none after Thanksgiving.

    To put it simply, Rodgers has been a perfect combination of big time play making and game winning efficiency. You couldn’t ask for anything more from a QB. His coach’s philosophy on managing a game or a season shouldn’t be held against him.

  51. weepingjebus says: Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM

    The only way to commemorate their amazing seasons is to have Rodgers and Brees both share top billing on the next Madden game.

    Sincerely,
    the rest of the NFL

  52. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM

    timtheenchanter1 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM
    ducej11 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM

    How the hell is Megatron and Jared Allen not unanimous selections? That is proof enough that some people need to lose their votes.
    ———————–
    You could make a case (not a great one) for voting JPP and Justin Smith instead of Allen. Both those guys have been at least in the discussion for DPOY so there could conceivably be someone who thinks they are both better than Allen.

    However, anyone leaving Megatron off the list at WR is likely voting with an agenda.

    —————

    Especially considering you get to vote for two WR’s. Rob Ryan must have a vote and left him off since he practices against guys better than Calvin.

  53. jeffchadwick says: Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM
    Oh contra,
    I pity you. The vikings haven’t had a qb as good as the packers backup ever in their entire existence. I would be bitter too.

    ____________________

    Frank Tarkenton just called and wanted to chat.

  54. goawayeverybody says: Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM

    Here is what will happen in the playoffs: Aaron Rodgers will crash and burn because he will be rusty after a long layoff. Drew Brees will shine and take his team to a second Super Bowl Championship in three years.

    And btw, why didn’t Marshawn Lynch even receive one vote? He’s the only running back to score against the 49ers run defense this year.

  55. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM

    cruells says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM
    Smith and Pierre-Paul over Jason Babin is just stupid..

    I get Jared Allen.. But those two just doesn’t make sense

    —————–

    Yeah, JPP, the two time NFC defensive player of the month makes no sense getting any votes, does it, Iggles fan.

  56. beastson says: Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM

    Saints fans think the Saints exist since 2006. Definition of bandwagoneers.

  57. turdburglars says: Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM

    I hate the Packers, but you can’t say that Rodgers has better numbers than Brees because the Packers have more talent. The Saints’ O-Line is well represented in the All-Pro voting.

  58. beastson says: Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM

    Rodgers QB rating is the best ever. MVP in my book

  59. stadanko says: Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM

    I love the What If game that Packers fans keep playing with statistics. “If Rodgers threw more passes he’d have 6000 yards” Well, if Brees had more short fields off turnovers like Aaron did he’d have 55 Touchdowns. See how easy that is and how it doesn’t prove anything. Both QB’s are great and as much as Packers fans and the media that kisses their ass want to think, this isn’t a runaway race for Rodgers.

  60. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM

    bhester1906 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM
    So London Fletcher is behind Urlacher in Pro Bowl voting but in front in the All-Pro voting? Am I the only one he thinks this type of thing happens too often?

    —————–

    Lets see. One is voted on by the fans publicly, and then coaches and players votes are added in 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. The other is voted on by 50 members of the media. I’ll leave it to everyone else to decide which one might be better, but there should be no shock at all to it.

  61. illinininer says: Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM

    As a 49ers fan…

    Justin Smith is second only to Jared Allen in QB pressures. Phenomenal statistic for a 3-4 DE.

    Mike Iupati played better as a rookie, and although Anthony Davis has made strides neither one deserves an All-Pro vote.

    You can’t argue with Akers and Lee. Both have set significant records this year in spite of 49ers conservative offense.

    Other than that, it would be really nice for offensive linemen to be rewarded for their play and not their names.

  62. Nevis says: Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM

    cruells says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM
    Smith and Pierre-Paul over Jason Babin is just stupid..

    I get Jared Allen.. But those two just doesn’t make sense.

    ——————————

    As Pro Football Focus put it: “Justin Smith is the Aaron Rodgers of 3-4 DEs”.

    Dude is a stud and was a lot more instrumental for his team than Babin, so spare us the Philly hype.

  63. mistersmith22 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM

    deepseabreeze: This year Lee broke Lechler’s record for highest punt-yard-average in a season. So as good as Lechler is, you can’t say he’s the best at his position…looking at the stats, Andy Lee just had the best punting season EVER.

  64. motorcitydiddy says: Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM

    Besides the Megatron issue, the number of players that have 1 vote shows me there’s a lot of voters harboring an agenda

  65. sacram3ntal says: Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM

    packerhater says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM
    Rogers MVP?Really?I guess throwing passes for 5-10 yards 90% of the time qualifies a person.
    *********

    Except that Rogers leads the league in yards per completion, at 9.3.
    He’s MVP in part because he broke the usual statistical mold: he has an insanely high completion percentage, with more downfield completions than anyone else.

    I know it takes a minute or two to actually know what you’re taking about, but try it. Makes life a lot easier.

  66. stro210 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM

    Please cut the crap with Babin talk. He’s a one trick pony, probably the worst DE at stopping the run. All he can do is rush the passer, unlike the other 3 DE’s listed, who are complete players. I think the voting shows why Babin isn’t listed.

  67. muskyhunter2542 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM

    Rodgers>Brees… If you think different, you dont know football outside New Orleans.

    Dousche Canoe!!!

  68. muskyhunter2542 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM

    Sorry Douche Canoe… Not sure where the “S” came from

  69. xxwhodatxx says: Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM

    Wow how much weed do they smoke in the voting room? Polamalu best safety? WTF

  70. dpom9 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM

    Maybe it’s just me but, how does Sean Lee not get any votes? Besides Ware he was the only chance that Cowboys D had…

  71. deepseabreeze says: Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM

    mistersmith22 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM
    deepseabreeze: This year Lee broke Lechler’s record for highest punt-yard-average in a season. So as good as Lechler is, you can’t say he’s the best at his position…looking at the stats, Andy Lee just had the best punting season EVER.

    no he didn’t. check the stats bud. lechler averaged 51.1 yards per punt in 2009. lechler still holds the record

  72. lionsfanatic84 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM

    Everybody has there opinion of a snub, I myself am surprised Stafford didn’t get any votes, not saying he is better than the other two, but he sure did put up numbers that lions qbs have never seen, worthy of at least a vote or two, and he’s one of the youngest qbs in the league. He will get his due soon enough. Give him an offensive line that can protect him and makes holes for the running game and its on like donkey Kong!!!
    Who dat gonna upset dem saints?!?!

  73. supermariojosh says: Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM

    popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    How come NO ONE is talking about Drew Brees throwing to Darren Sproles 86 times.

    Sproles has 710 recieving yards and leads the NFL in Yards After Catch (averaging 8 YAC). His YAC equal 688 yards.

    Take away Sproles’ YAC and Brees throws to him are only 3.7 yards each.
    ————————————
    Thank you for posting one of the only comments I’ve ever read on this site that actually made me think and consider reshaping my opinion. Seriously, this is a good point!

  74. uwsptke says: Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM

    packerhater says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM
    Rogers MVP?Really?I guess throwing passes for 5-10 yards 90% of the time qualifies a person.

    ==========================

    Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument. Rodgers LED THE LEAGUE in yards per attempt (9.2). Brees was 6th with 8.6. Statistically, Brees is more of a “dink-n-dunk” passer than Rodgers. Please stop spreading your ignorance, and learn to spell the man’s name correctly.

  75. anactualnflowner says: Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM

    People saying Brees should be MVP are obviously homers. Yards are meaningless considering Brees has 150 more attempts. And Brees’ 8 more interceptions definitely offset his 1 more TD. Rodgers has 2 more wins and won in the head-to-head match up. If it isn’t obvious for you, than you don’t know football. If you think Brees won than your lack of knowledge extends passed football… you’re just a plain moronic Saints fan. The Matt Flynn argument is just plain dumb, using that “logic” they would decide the MVP on who had the worst backup in the league.

  76. uwsptke says: Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM

    For the Saints fans who hate the “What if” comparisons, how about this. The Packers had the worst defense in the NFL, yet his team still managed to finish 15-1. Brees was 13-3.

    Boom. Roasted.

  77. bigbluenationdb says: Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM

    I am surprised Corey Webster or Kenny Philips for the Giants didn’t get one vote. The Giants pass defense was horrible but these two played solid every week. Webster was given the task of covering everyones #1 and he didn’t get beat but a couple times all year. Aaron Ross was getting killed and so was Deon Grant but no one threw Websters way. I just heard someone say the other day how good of season Philips had. He played at high level all year and had several INTs.

  78. kennyrogerschicken says: Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM

    packerhater says: Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM

    johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    Oh contra,
    I pity you. The vikings haven’t had a qb as good as the packers backup ever in their entire existence. I would be bitter too.

    Guess we know who the teenagers are on here.Someone who never heard of Fran Tarkingtion who led if not all the most major passing records when he retired and in an age where the passing game was not favored by the rules and QB’s would get the crap beat out of them and when it was a run 1st league and a QB passes for more then 5-10 yards like Rodgers does all the time.

    Learn the history of the game son.

    —————————————-

    And Fran has zero championships. Great comparison, son, maybe you should take your own advice.

  79. bigbluenationdb says: Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM

    Wes Welker being the #2 vote getter is a joke. All the guy does is run 3-4 yard out routes or in routes. Fitzgerald and Cruz put up way better numbers on about 20 less catches. That is a joke he is on the list.

    Even Jordy Nelson deserved to be above Welker.

  80. boisestatewhodat says: Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM

    Doesn’t matter…Brees would rather another Super Bowl MVP anyway and I’d be surprised if that’s not exactly what he gets when its all said and done. If their positions were swapped, holding all else equal, Brees would be MVP. Its not Rodgers, its the club he plays for…

  81. skittlesareyum says: Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM

    I love the What If game that Packers fans keep playing with statistics. “If Rodgers threw more passes he’d have 6000 yards” Well, if Brees had more short fields off turnovers like Aaron did he’d have 55 Touchdowns. See how easy that is and how it doesn’t prove anything. Both QB’s are great and as much as Packers fans and the media that kisses their ass want to think, this isn’t a runaway race for Rodgers.

    That’s why you should only look at rate statistics (with the exception of TD %), such as YPA and QB Rating. Rodgers beats Brees pretty handily in YPA and QB Rating, and he is second to Brees in completion percentage.

    Based on that alone, Rodgers wins. Brees can only* claim amazing gross statistics like most yards.

    * I mean “only” somewhat sarcastically, as that’s a huge accomplishment

  82. ilovefoolsball says: Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM

    beastson says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM
    Saints fans think the Saints exist since 2006. Definition of bandwagoneers.
    _______________

    Laziest comment on PFT everrrrr.

    I know this is what you and your friends talk about on your kitty cat message boards but
    it’s cheap, lacks effort, and uncreative.
    Go back to the drawing board and try harder. If not, you’ll have to work over the weekend with no lunch breaks.

    p.s. sorry what happened to your boy Cam the last week of the season. He looked very…ordinary.

  83. rysol says: Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM

    stadanko says:
    … as much as Packers fans and the media that kisses their ass want to think, this isn’t a runaway race for Rodgers.”

    47.5 – 2.5 says it is.

  84. tdk24 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM

    I’m sorry, did Akers kick a 63 yard FG? Nope. Did Lee have an 80 yard punt, in Lambeau? Nope. Win-loss record should have no say in whether or not you’re an All-Pro in a team sport.

  85. johntonioholmes says: Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM

    possiblecabbage

    Yeah I’ll actually agree with you, although I think he was still better than Mike.

    Pouncey was injured basically all season, so his dominance did slip considerably.

  86. boisestatewhodat says: Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM

    Wrong! Saints fans are well aware of our abysmal history but since 2006 we’ve had a team to celebrate for the first time since club inception in 1967…so let me get it straight, we sucked bad for 37 years and for the past 6 we’re the winningest team in the NFC and that makes us bandwagoneers? You are either ignorant, misguided or both! Even during those decades of gridiron misery…we never had TV blackouts like some of these markets do.

  87. beedubyatoo says: Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM

    rexismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

    ————————

    From your screen name, I’m assuming that you live in the New York area or are a Jets fan. I can say this with 100% certainty. I’ve been to New York and I’ve been to Green Bay. Green Bay is better. At least it’s an American city with clean streets, good schools, real patriotic Americans and the best football fans.

    Oh, and did I mention that the Packers have 12 more NFL championships than the Jets?

  88. sf944 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM

    Brees had more attempts than AR, because he had more 1st downs (another NFL record he broke this season) and he converted the most 3rd downs this season (another NFL record he broke this season). More downs = more attempts. Even though he had more attempts he also completed a higher percentage of his passes (another NFL record he broke).

  89. rarson says: Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM

    @hscorpio

    “The reality is that QB rating is hardly an arbitrary statistic. It hammers a QB for his 2nd interception, which greatly decreases a team’s chances of success. It rewards a high Yards/attempt far more than critics realize, especially if it is done with a high completion %. Those are the two most important statistics of a QB–(lack of) interceptions and high YPA.”

    It sounds to me like you’re talking about passer rating, not QBR, which apparently weights running too heavily in calculation and relies on wonky, proprietary (as in “we don’t know how they even calculate it”) weighting for whether a QB is playing well with a lead or whether the QB is mounting a comeback… as if playing well while behind is more meaningful than playing well while ahead (see QBRs of Rodgers and Tebow, week 5).

    Passer rating and QB rating are two entirely different calculations. Passer rating is the official NFL stat, QBR is a rating devised by ESPN. Neither is perfect, but in my opinion, passer rating gives a much better assessment of how the QB is throwing the ball than QBR.

  90. athleticmedic says: Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM

    Two questions:

    1) How is Jared Allen NOT consider the lead dog for NFL Defensive Player of the Year? The guy gets 22 sacks in a season in which the only other player who seemed to play somewhat well was Chad Greenway (3rd in the NFL in tackles). Exactly ZERO help from the terrible secondary they have! Every team in the league knew they needed to shut him down…and he still tore it up!

    2) How the heck did Clay Matthews get ANY votes? He plays LB and only had 50 tackles! Green Bay fans say … “Oh, well he’s a sack guy”. 6 sacks total…all year! Really? Allen had 66 tackles from the DE spot!

  91. johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM

    Packerhater, and jeffchadwick,
    I was fully aware of fran tarkinton when I wrote that post. I just happen to think he is a loser (4 time super bowl loser I believe). How bout I write out so you can understand. Flynn>Tarkinton.

  92. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM

    goawayeverybody says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM
    Here is what will happen in the playoffs: Aaron Rodgers will crash and burn because he will be rusty after a long layoff. Drew Brees will shine and take his team to a second Super Bowl Championship in three years.

    People have been calling for this supposed crash for well over a year now.

    Here’s what’s really going to happen: Saints don’t make it past the Divisional round, losing to a very unappreciated 49ers squad. Brees throws 3 picks and takes big hit after big hit.

    Meanwhile, a rejuvenated Rodgers continues his assault on the efficiency records. Greg Jennings lights it up in the playoffs like last year, with the occasional bomb to Nelson. The defense takes the ball away a couple of times from SF, assuring a consecutive Super Bowl appearance.

  93. mrgdawg says: Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM

    Glad to see Brandon flowers getting some kudos. His stats were almost identical to Revis. (picks, deflections, tackles)

  94. spyder210 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM

    ^ As a Packers fan from NY, I agree with the football side of your argument however, Green Bay doesn’t really qualify as a city. It’s more like the suburbs really.

  95. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM

    stadanko says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM
    I love the What If game that Packers fans keep playing with statistics.
    ________

    Oh yeah, we love playing games with stats:

    What if ARodg had thrown for 45 TDS, rushed for another 3 TDs, and only had 6 INTs (in 15 games)? Oh wait, he did…

    What if ARodg had amassed a Passer Rating of 122.5 over an entire season? Oh wait, he did…

    What if the Packers had won 15 games in the regular season? Oh wait, we did…

  96. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM
    Packerhater, and jeffchadwick,
    I was fully aware of fran tarkinton when I wrote that post. I just happen to think he is a loser (4 time super bowl loser I believe). How bout I write out so you can understand. Flynn>Tarkinton.

    You should lose your Packers fan privileges.

    Tark*E*nton is one of the best of all time. Just because he was a Viking doesn’t change that. He completely changed how the QB position was played.

    Also, the Vikings were tearing it up consistently when Green Bay was mired in obscurity. Even when GB finally became competitive again in the 90s, the Vikings fielded good teams. If not for the missed FG in ’98, they could have had one of the best seasons of all time.

    Just because the Vikings weren’t fortunate enough to win any Super Bowls doesn’t mean a whole lot. That’s like saying the 90s Bills were horrible because they lost in the big games. They still made 4 SBs in a row.

    I’ll bet most of GB’s Championships happened well before you were born. Just stop already.

  97. sacram3ntal says: Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM

    Memo to Saints fans- you honestly might want to put the preoccupation with Aaron Rodgers on hold for a few weeks.

    The 49ers aren’t getting a lot of respect for a #2 seed, and playing them on the road is going to be a brutal wake-up call- my guess is your team doesn’t even get to make the trip to Lambeau.

  98. klunge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM

    binarybulge says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM
    Here’s what’s really going to happen: Saints don’t make it past the Divisional round, losing to a very unappreciated 49ers squad. Brees throws 3 picks and takes big hit after big hit.
    ———————————————-

    Ditto this, except change “Divisional” to “Wild Card”!!! Go Lions!

  99. comeonnowguys says: Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM

    Don’t waste your time. Saints fans are have already crowned Breesus Greatest QB of All Time.

    The only difference is Aaron Rodgers doesn’t regret “not” running up the score even when the opportunity presented itself or passing on 5K yards to get ready for the postseason.

    There are three types of lies: Lies, damn lies, and the numbers Saints fans cling too.

    Signed,
    Not a Packer fan.

  100. chocolatebaconbutter says: Jan 6, 2012 4:05 PM

    Nice to see 2 guys who couldn’t even a sniff of the Pro Bowl ballot getting some love, JPP and Victor Cruz. Now this list is the REAL all-star team of the NFL.

  101. mushroomcloudlayin says: Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM

    You can’t argue that both Rodgers and Brees had AMAZING seasons. One set records for volume, the other for efficiency. Personally, I side with the one that won the head-to-head, threw fewer INTs, and had the better record despite the worse defense. Then again, I’m a Packer fan so I’m probably a little bias.

    On an aside, considering the volume of d-bag players in the NFL, how great is it that the two CLEAR front runners for MVP are as classy as Rodgers and Brees. I have every reason to hate Brees – he started by torching the Badgers year after year, and as a pro I don’t think he’s ever had an “off” game vs the Pack. Still, he’s an all class, all hustle, un-hatable guy.

    And whoever said Flynn was better than every Viking QB ever is high. Tarkenton WAS the Vikings, and Flynn has had exactly TWO good career games (and is 1-1, mind you). Warren Moon was no slouch either.

  102. rpiotr01 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM

    “boisestatewhodat says: Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM

    Doesn’t matter…Brees would rather another Super Bowl MVP anyway and I’d be surprised if that’s not exactly what he gets when its all said and done. ”

    Lol. Fans of the MVP runner up are going to say this, regardless of who wins. With any luck these two teams will meet head to head at Lambeau and we’ll have a memorable NFCC on our hands.

    If I were a Saints fan, however, right now I would stop looking ahead to Super Bowl MVPs and worry about a dirty but explosive and motivated Lions team coming to play tomorrow night.

  103. hscorpio says: Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM

    @rarson,

    I’m definitely talking about the long-standing statistic used by the NFL, not the ESPN contrived one. Sorry if my poor choice of terms confused anyone.

    I don’t watch much ESPN anymore. I’m aware they made up their stat which allegedly was a better measure of what was already a pretty darn good measure. But it doesn’t enter into my thought process much.

  104. contra74 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM
    Packerhater, and jeffchadwick,
    I was fully aware of fran tarkinton when I wrote that post. I just happen to think he is a loser (4 time super bowl loser I believe). How bout I write out so you can understand. Flynn>Tarkinton.
    ————-
    Interesting. So by your logic, a QB who has been the SB 4 times (not that he made it 4 times) is a loser compared to a QB who has never made it to the SB? Who are you again?

  105. mushroomcloudlayin says: Jan 6, 2012 4:14 PM

    athleticmedic says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM
    Two questions:

    1) How is Jared Allen NOT consider the lead dog for NFL Defensive Player of the Year? The guy gets 22 sacks in a season in which the only other player who seemed to play somewhat well was Chad Greenway (3rd in the NFL in tackles). Exactly ZERO help from the terrible secondary they have! Every team in the league knew they needed to shut him down…and he still tore it up!

    2) How the heck did Clay Matthews get ANY votes? He plays LB and only had 50 tackles! Green Bay fans say … “Oh, well he’s a sack guy”. 6 sacks total…all year! Really? Allen had 66 tackles from the DE spot!

    ________________

    1) Spot on. Allen was a BEAST, and has been underrated all year.

    2) A LOT of CMIIIs contributions didn’t show up in the box score. He was the team’s best cover LB, best pass rusher, and (with Woodson and Raji) an irreplaceable member of that D. His sacks are down because he blitzed 60% as much as last year, and his tackles are low because teams (other than @KC and @Chi) didn’t emphasize the run vs the Pack. He doesn’t deserve to be an All-Pro, but the guy didn’t have the down year that his stats indicated.

  106. rexryanstoecheese says: Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM

    @ Brees>Rodgers

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BRADY!!! is better than both of them,
    and he didn’t dump it off to Sproles 9000 times for 18 million yards or play TB and Carolina 4 times during the year, or ST Louis Scams either.

    Bress isn’t in the same league as Brady or Rodgers…

    Rodgers BARELY dumped it off to any RB;’s and when is the last time you saw GB run a screen?

    Differnt Offense, different scheme, differnt QB’s.
    Rodgers is the clear cut winner THIS year.

  107. mrtzl20 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM

    popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    How come NO ONE is talking about Drew Brees throwing to Darren Sproles 86 times.

    Sproles has 710 recieving yards and leads the NFL in Yards After Catch (averaging 8 YAC). His YAC equal 688 yards.

    Take away Sproles’ YAC and Brees throws to him are only 3.7 yards each.

    -

    Dude, your math is wrong. 688 out of Sproles’ 710 yards are YAC? Meaning 22 yards on the whole season were through the air? Sproles did not average 8 YAC per reception.

  108. noquickreactionshere says: Jan 6, 2012 4:24 PM

    athleticmedic says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM
    Two questions:

    1) How is Jared Allen NOT consider the lead dog for NFL Defensive Player of the Year? The guy gets 22 sacks in a season in which the only other player who seemed to play somewhat well was Chad Greenway (3rd in the NFL in tackles). Exactly ZERO help from the terrible secondary they have! Every team in the league knew they needed to shut him down…and he still tore it up!

    ______________________________

    According to most people it is a two horse race, Allen had an S-ton of sacks, T-Suggs is an absolute game wrecker. The reason that Suggs is in the conversation and likely to win DPOY is because of the number of ways he affects the game. Leads the AFC in sacks and forced fumbles and 2 INT’s, not to mention that Suggs picks are not tipped passes that fall in his lap, he actually drops back in pass coverage. Allen is a pass rushing DE, Suggs is an all around OLB who can rush the passer, cover TE and RB, play the run, and do everything in between. He has less sacks but also does not rush the QB on every pass play. Not to mention his accomplishments have come in the biggest games and his team won 12 games. I know it is a personal award but the truth is that it is hard to vote a guy MVP or DPOY if his team has over 10 losses… just the truth.

  109. autumnwind999 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:24 PM

    Let me first say that, obviously, Brees is great. But you have to account for the fact that he threw WAAAAY more passes than Rodgers rather than just look at the yardage totals.

    Roders had a better TD/INT ratio and he had significantly more yards per pass attempt. In terms of YPA, Rodgers was far and away No. 1. Then comes Brady, Schaub, E. Manning, Carson Palmer and then Brees.

    Again, Brees is great. Clearly deserves to be No. 2 in this year’s MVP race, but you can’t just look at a single superficial stat and hand him the trophy on that alone.

  110. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM

    sf944 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM
    Brees had more attempts than AR, because he had more 1st downs (another NFL record he broke this season) and he converted the most 3rd downs this season (another NFL record he broke this season). More downs = more attempts. Even though he had more attempts he also completed a higher percentage of his passes (another NFL record he broke).

    This argument is going to go on forever… so I don’t know why I’m wasting my time contributing to it.

    To me, one of the most telling statistics in comparing Rodgers to Brees is the passes that were attempted either behind the line of scrimmage or from 1-10 yards (those most effected by the halfback or yards after the catch). Brees threw 51% of his passes under 11 yards (337 out of 657 attempts). Rodgers threw 48% short passes (239 out of 502). Brees gained about 500 more yards than Rodgers on these passes, with about the same average yards gained. In other words, Brees threw WAY more “safe” passes.

    Now look at the passes from 11-30 yards (intermediate). Brees – 120/197 (61%) for 2,355 yards, 14 TDs and 8 INTs. Rodgers – 93/166 (56%) for 2,089 yards, 18 TDs and 2 INTs. Slightly better average for Drew here, but Rodgers scored more efficiently on the tricky intermediate passes, with less mistakes made.

    Sproles is a huge reason Brees’ passing stats are so insane this year.

  111. shinywalrus says: Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM

    The votes for Anthony Davis, Mike Patterson and Chris Snee! Breathtaking.

    AP voters need to be senility tested.

  112. rajuncajun28 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM

    To: Fat Smelly Wisconsin people (classic line from above)

    From: Who Dat Nation

    Keep the MVP with the goofy looking Rodgers. Your 15 mins of fame are over. Back to your boring midwest life. No one really cares about Nowhere, WI….

    Brees will easily get the SB MVP this year. Fact.

  113. autumnwind999 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM

    The ESPN QB Rating measure is indeed a better measure than traditional QB rating. However, there’s no historical reference for people to understand what’s a lousy, decent, good, amazing rating as their is with the traditional measure. I think that’s the main thing it’s up against.

  114. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM

    boisestatewhodat says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM

    Doesn’t matter…Brees would rather another Super Bowl MVP anyway and I’d be surprised if that’s not exactly what he gets when its all said and done.

    Yep, that’s why he jumped around celebrating the yardage record for like 5 minutes when the game wasn’t even over and there was another game yet to be played. Did he look for his teammates to share the celebration? Nope. He threw his arms in the air with his head high. The team celebration didn’t happen until his teammates sought him out. I can *definitely* tell he doesn’t those want personal accolades.

    Heck, Flynn celebrated his monster game less than Brees did his overrated yardage record, and you’d forgive him if he went nuts, considering no one even expected he’d have the opportunity to shine.

    I can’t wait to read your comments when Rodgers gets the season’s MVP AND the Super Bowl MVP.

  115. contra74 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM

    What if the Packers had won 15 games in the regular season? Oh wait, we did…
    ———-
    LOL, there’s that ‘we’ again. Glad you bought the packer stock so you can say ‘we’ huh big guy? I heard if you buy 10 shares you get a urinal at lambeau named after you.

  116. acmepacker says: Jan 6, 2012 4:39 PM

    xismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.
    *****************
    Envy is such an ugly emotion. It makes you say stupid things. BTW, what are smelly Wisconsins?

  117. 12greaterthan4 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:41 PM

    rexismybff says: Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM

    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

    =====================================

    Jealous much? You must be a fan of a team that doesn’t regularly make the play offs, can we say vikings fan? loser.

  118. teamnorsecore says: Jan 6, 2012 4:50 PM

    kennyrogerschicken says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM
    packerhater says: Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM

    johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM

    Oh contra,
    I pity you. The vikings haven’t had a qb as good as the packers backup ever in their entire existence. I would be bitter too.

    Guess we know who the teenagers are on here.Someone who never heard of Fran Tarkingtion who led if not all the most major passing records when he retired and in an age where the passing game was not favored by the rules and QB’s would get the crap beat out of them and when it was a run 1st league and a QB passes for more then 5-10 yards like Rodgers does all the time.

    Learn the history of the game son.

    —————————————-

    And Fran has zero championships. Great comparison, son, maybe you should take your own advice.
    ……..
    What is Flynn the champion of……..backup QBs who lit it up for one game? Only delusional, crazed, out of touch Packer fans like kennyrogerschicken and johnnyb216…….and probably gb4mn0 would try to compare a backup Packers QB who had one good game to a Hall Of Fame quarterback who changed the way the QB position was played.

  119. patsfan83 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:50 PM

    I dont get it how brady didn’t get any votes at all he Also has a monter year. But whatever i personally think that Rodgers and Brees should both get the MVP this year, they both broke records and had the stats NOW if you want to give it to someone that really deserves it becaouse of the meaning of MVP should be BRADY. He didn’t have the supporting cast that both BREES and RODGERS had, hi had one WR and 2 TEs that’s it and still managed to get his team the #1 seed and break Marinos passing record . We all know Rodgers is going to get it because he’s the hot topic right now after tebow .

  120. dawgsafety13 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:51 PM

    Cris Carter needs his voting rights revoked.

  121. djrando7 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:52 PM

    Darrell Quivis….Biggest over hyped/overrated player in the NFL, hands down.

  122. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 6, 2012 4:52 PM

    thankheavenfornumberseven says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM
    klunge says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    deconjonesbitchslap says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM
    are you referring to the nfl’s all time single season sack leader, jared allen?
    ———————————————–
    No he isn’t, he missed Strahan’s record.
    either way, NFC North is well represented this year.
    ___________

    Strahan’s record has an asterisk next to it because Favre took a dive. Allen earned all of his sacks, and he didn’t get any coverage sacks. If he had a competent secondary behind him, he probably would have had 30 sacks.
    ————————————————
    Shoulda woulda coulda, When I check the NFL records I will still see Strahan’s name! Blame Favre if you want but it wasn’t Strahan’s fault!!!

  123. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 6, 2012 4:55 PM

    cruells says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM
    Smith and Pierre-Paul over Jason Babin is just stupid..

    I get Jared Allen.. But those two just doesn’t make sense.

    ————————————-
    the above comment is just stupid!!!
    Go check your stats/facts JPP had a MONSTER year!!

  124. klunge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:57 PM

    rexryanstoecheese says:
    Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM
    @ Brees>Rodgers
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    BRADY!!! is better than both of them,
    and he didn’t dump it off to Sproles 9000 times for 18 million yards…
    ————————————————–

    You make a good point, since Brees threw over 130 completions to Sproles & Thomas, and their combined YAC is actually greater than receiving yards. This means nearly every reception by these guys (totalling nearly 1200yds) occured at or behind the line of scrimmage.

    However, as a counterpoint, the 3 leading receivers for the Pats are 2 TEs and a slot guy.

    Let’s compare:
    Brees: 2446 YAC (44% of passing stats)
    Brady: 2642 YAC (50% of passing stats)
    Stafford: 2242 YAC (44% of passing stats)
    Rodgers: 2348 YAC (50% of passing stats)
    Manning: 2132 YAC (43% of passing stats)

    Interestingly just about every RB had equal or higher YAC than receiving yards, but that is factored into these figures. They had to do the work to get the dumpoffs back to the line of scrimmage so it counts.

  125. teamnorsecore says: Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM

    What is Flynn the champion of……..backup QBs who lit it up for one game? Only delusional, crazed, out of touch Packer fans would try to compare a backup Packers QB who had one good game, to a Hall Of Fame quarterback who changed the way the QB position was played.

  126. johnnyb216 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM

    Contra,
    What are you talking about? Flynn was just in the super bowl last year. And won! 1 super bowl, 1 victory for flynn. It’s actually 3 super bowls 0 victories for tarkenton although he only played in 2 of them. Still, I think my loser label is quite accurate. He sure hasn’t ever won anything. Anything meaningful anyways. But then again, he played for the vikings, a team that would be best suited for retraction. I never said he wasn’t a good player, I just said flynn is better and is also a proven winner (1 super bowl victory, 1 collegiate national title).

  127. stellarperformance says: Jan 6, 2012 5:09 PM

    xismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.
    ———————————————————-

    The easiest character flaws to label someone with are the ones you personally know the best. Anyone that anonymously claims that “RexIsMyBoyFriendForever” could certainly expect to be included in that self-loathing group. At least you’re not alone…you got that goin’ for ya.

  128. gb4mn0 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:12 PM

    contra74 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM
    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM

    What if the Packers had won 15 games in the regular season? Oh wait, we did…
    ———-
    LOL, there’s that ‘we’ again. Glad you bought the packer stock so you can say ‘we’ huh big guy? I heard if you buy 10 shares you get a urinal at lambeau named after you.

    ————————————————-
    Hey c_ntra74,
    u
    Yes you do get a urinal named after you the vikequeen logo is on the urinal pads. After all, you purple balls of excrement should be getting use to being soiled on by the Champs after 4 straight losses and 7 of the the last 10.

  129. tbih says: Jan 6, 2012 5:13 PM

    Pouncey over Myers is a joke. Just shows you how clueless the media is when it comes to line play.

    And ANYONE who is voting for Raji should lose their voting rights moving forward…he’s lost playing time all year…how is that an All Pro year?

    And Woodson? Enough already.

  130. asublimeday says: Jan 6, 2012 5:16 PM

    LOL Peterson over Hester. I question their sanity/sobriety.

  131. sxt004 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:24 PM

    @dgbk.

    check the stats douche, brees has had just as good of stats and better stats outdoors than rogers has had indoors. Really getting sick of you “football” fans who hear what ESPN has to say and just going off that. Also, Brees has taken and undrafted free agent, a third rounder, a 7th rounder and a 1st rounder who sat out his entire first season and made them look like starters on ANY team in the league. He also made Jimmy Graham what he is. Graham is possibly the worst route running tight end in the game, if not for his pure athletic ability and a QB like Brees then he wouldn’t be where or what he is by any means. Chase Daniels could not, would not, never will win 13 games in a season with the weapons we have. Flynn on the other hand probably could do 11-5 like Cassel. You want to compare players, then Cassel 2.0 is Kevin Kolb, Cassel 3.0 is Matt Flynn. All products of their system. Tom Brady is the only other person in the league doing more with less talent than Brees. Look at real stats, then come back and talk about football. Please come back with something educated….

  132. december77 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:27 PM

    How many sit-ups in his driveway does Evan Mathis need to do to get recognition by the media. PFF has him rated as the best LG in the league!

  133. franktherat96 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM

    Rodgers loss to the chiefs….pretty bad team in an of itself. if the rolls were reversed packers fans you would be saying the same things us Saints fans are. I have news for you though, you guys aren’t making it back to the super bowl again this year. I wouldn’t be shocked if you lose in the divisional round

  134. ninerdynasty says: Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM

    tdk24 says: Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM

    I’m sorry, did Akers kick a 63 yard FG? Nope. Did Lee have an 80 yard punt, in Lambeau? Nope. Win-loss record should have no say in whether or not you’re an All-Pro in a team sport.
    ——————————————————

    So you’re saying that montana shouldnt be in the hall of fame because all he did was win 4 SB but had a horrible arm strength.. the guy couldn’t throw it pass 40 yards.. Yup, he just made the HOF because his teams kept winning.. you are absolutely right.. Lee leading the NFL in aveg/punt and Aker’s 40+ field goals totally shouldnt count because was the team was 13-3.. DUH!
    YOU ARE A RAIDER FAN MORON!

  135. sxt004 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:29 PM

    @binarybulge

    Did you see what took place after he got the record cause everything you said was completely false. Again, some more Profootball talk commentators talking about things they don’t know about…but are convinced happened. I was there at the game. HIS TEAM picked him up before he could even show emotion…Because he’s a leader and unselfish. He walked to the sides lines with his hand raised and that was it. Rodgers, Brady, and a number of other Qb’s out there do the same thing when they score a td or have a good play. Plain and simple nothing you said happened. He then went to the locker room and not once when he was talking to the players said I…everything was WE and YOU GUYS. But i guess that never happened either. What must have happened is he jumped up and down, put the game on hold while he ran suicides screaming “I’m king of the world” while also doing the discount double check……right?

  136. dlmcc1010 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:31 PM

    I have no issues with any of the choices for the winners. Yes, Aaron Rodgers deserved to win that award easily. The system QB argument is tired. Drew Brees has awesome weapons around him as well. So does Brady. That doesnt diminish how great they all are because defenses key all week on ways to stop the opposing QB. The throws still need to be made.

    Looks like one voter gave a co#1 to both Brees and Rodgers. That person needs to grow a set or lose their vote.

  137. scra22 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:33 PM

    packerfan1000 says: Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM
    Is Brees>Rodgers because Brees is still throwing with 3 minutes left in blowout games (which only happen in the dome)?
    ====
    I am getting sick of hearing this. Brees was pulled in 4 games this season because of it being a blow-out. (The same number of games Rodgers was pulled out of). The ONLY game you have to hang your hat on with this argument is the Falcons game. Even in the Colts game, Brees came out before the 4th quarter even started.

  138. prmpft says: Jan 6, 2012 5:34 PM

    there will be lots of crow eaten when the saints march into somewhere other than lambeau…

  139. doubleogator says: Jan 6, 2012 5:36 PM

    It’s sad that anybody would be critical of Drew Brees. He has as much class as any player in the entire NFL. Aaron Rodgers is an excellent QB, and so is Brees, he is also an outstanding citizen, and has done many things for his community off the field. This I do know, there are at least 29 other teams that would love to have Drew Brees as their QB. As far as how he achieved his numbers, he plays within the system that coach Payton designs, and it sure does seem to work pretty dam good.

  140. sxt004 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:36 PM

    @ mushroomcloudlayin…

    Dude seriously. Drew Brees was the most efficient QB in the league and broke his own record. Another idiot on these boards i see. So he was the most efficient as well as the most yards. Aaron Rodgers passer rating was higher…get it straight guy.

    Second off everyone says ow brees threw it more that’s how he got the obvious yards. Well wouldn’t throwing it more mean you’re more prone to having less efficiency. I mean if you miss 2 or 3 passes out of 10 your numbers will be worse that if you miss 2 or 3 out of 100. But again, you educated fellas on here have it all figured out though. We unedumacated southerners in Louisiana just chase alligators around and scream choot em whilst also walking around barefoot and robbing people?

  141. scra22 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM

    binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM
    Yep, that’s why he jumped around celebrating the yardage record for like 5 minutes when the game wasn’t even over and there was another game yet to be played. Did he look for his teammates to share the celebration? Nope. He threw his arms in the air with his head high. The team celebration didn’t happen until his teammates sought him out. I can *definitely* tell he doesn’t those want personal accolades.
    ====
    Um, actually the second as he threw the TD pass he was surrounded by his teammates, starting with Carl Nicks who picked him up and put him on his shoulder. lThen as he walked back to the sidelines he held up the football (which had been brought to him by Jimmy Graham in the middle of the group) and pointed at THE FANS. Then he was hugged by teammates and coaches on the sidelines again. As a Saints fan I’ve watched it several times because it was a special moment, and that is exactly how it went down. You can hate on Brees all you want but it doesn’t change what a great person he is or take away his right to celebrate what was a huge accomplishment.

    All you have to do is hear how his teammates talk about him to know he is genuine and they love him. I think I’ll trust their judgment over what some random Internet message board guy says.

    If you want to harp on his INTs or something legitimate, fine, but don’t make up some skewed version of what happened when he won the record to try and trash him.

  142. scra22 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:43 PM

    uwsptke says: Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM

    For the Saints fans who hate the “What if” comparisons, how about this. The Packers had the worst defense in the NFL, yet his team still managed to finish 15-1. Brees was 13-3.

    Boom. Roasted.
    ====

    The Packers D also had 38 total takeaways on the season. The Saints D had 16. Those make a big difference. It really doesn’t matter how many yards you give up if you keep taking the ball away before they can score. I’d take Packers D over the Saints D for this reason.

  143. contra74 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:45 PM

    johnnyb216 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM
    Contra,
    What are you talking about? Flynn was just in the super bowl last year. And won! 1 super bowl, 1 victory for flynn. It’s actually 3 super bowls 0 victories for tarkenton although he only played in 2 of them. Still, I think my loser label is quite accurate. He sure hasn’t ever won anything. Anything meaningful anyways. But then again, he played for the vikings, a team that would be best suited for retraction. I never said he wasn’t a good player, I just said flynn is better and is also a proven winner (1 super bowl victory, 1 collegiate national title).
    ——–
    My mistake…how many passes did Flynn throw in the SB game? Again…by your logic, the backup kicker to a SB winning team is a lot better than a starting kicker to a SB losing team? Just please stop now before it gets funnier.

  144. jimeejohnson says: Jan 6, 2012 5:47 PM

    Smelly cheese is awesome. Wisconsin is a beautiful state, with Madison a cultural and intellectual center. I bet they have plenty of good microbrews, too.

    Signed: SF 49er fan for the past 40 years.

  145. bossplayer213 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:54 PM

    What an honor for Willis and Bowman to be #1 and #2 in the voting. I’m not sure there is a better tackler than Bowman in the league at his position, he wraps everything up. Then Willis who is the best overall ILB in the NFL. They are 26 and 23 respectively, wow, what a future ahead of these guys. That 49er defense will be dominant for a very long time.

  146. popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 6:16 PM

    mrtzl20 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM
    -

    Dude, your math is wrong. 688 out of Sproles’ 710 yards are YAC? Meaning 22 yards on the whole season were through the air? Sproles did not average 8 YAC per reception.

    ———–

    Do my math? Do your research!

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/29943/saints-racked-up-the-yac

    BTW Sproles got 707 YAC, not 688.

  147. popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 6:20 PM

    mrtzl20 says: Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM
    popbox says: Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM

    How come NO ONE is talking about Drew Brees throwing to Darren Sproles 86 times.
    Sproles has 710 recieving yards and leads the NFL in Yards After Catch (averaging 8 YAC). His YAC equal 688 yards.
    Take away Sproles’ YAC and Brees throws to him are only 3.7 yards each.
    ———————————-
    Dude, your math is wrong. 688 out of Sproles’ 710 yards are YAC? Meaning 22 yards on the whole season were through the air? Sproles did not average 8 YAC per reception.
    ———————————–
    Do your research! My math isn’t off.
    Actually Sproles got 707 YAC!

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/29943/saints-racked-up-the-yac

  148. mmcdan133 says: Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM

    Megatron and Welker had elite QBs throwing them the ball. Larry Fitzgerald had 1411 yds and 8 tds and might as well have had me throwing him the ball. Say what you may, but that guy is still the best wide reciever in football.

  149. travisblink619 says: Jan 6, 2012 6:38 PM

    All I have to say about my Niners is God bless Jed York…..no, seriously. Finally, somebody in the owner’s box interested in putting a winning team on the field. From hiring an excellent coaching staff to putting in place a personnel guy in Baalke, who has made some questionable moves that have paid off big time. I only hope that his interest is in building another long term legacy and not just trying to get enough juice to build the new stadium and then regress into irrelevance all over again.

    P.S. Jim Harbaugh should be unanimous coach of the year.

  150. jeff33u says: Jan 6, 2012 6:39 PM

    check the stats douche, brees has had just as good of stats and better stats outdoors than rogers has had indoors. Really getting sick of you “football” fans who hear what ESPN has to say and just going off that. Also, Brees has taken and undrafted free agent, a third rounder, a 7th rounder and a 1st rounder who sat out his entire first season and made them look like starters on ANY team in the league. He also made Jimmy Graham what he is. Graham is possibly the worst route running tight end in the game, if not for his pure athletic ability and a QB like Brees then he wouldn’t be where or what he is by any means. Chase Daniels could not, would not, never will win 13 games in a season with the weapons we have. Flynn on the other hand probably could do 11-5 like Cassel. You want to compare players, then Cassel 2.0 is Kevin Kolb, Cassel 3.0 is Matt Flynn. All products of their system. Tom Brady is the only other person in the league doing more with less talent than Brees. Look at real stats, then come back and talk about football. Please come back with something educated….

    ———————————————————-

    Idiot – I bet you didn’t think people would actually check the stats, huh? But I did that very thing weeks ago. Drew Brees is a COMPLETELY different (and worse) QB outdoors (and the same is true even in domes on the road). Aaron Rodgers is OUTSTANDING in domes, with even better numbers than his normal statistics despite the fact that dome games for him mean playing on the road in typically loud environments with hostile crowds trying to throw off the snap counts and play adjustments.

    Evidence:

    Brees OUTDOORS – 69.7%, 95.7 rating, 8.10 YPA, 12 TD, 8 INT

    Rodgers OUTDOORS – 67.8%, 121.5 rating, 9.01 YPA, 38 TD, 6 INT

    Rodgers INDOORS (to totally blow your stupid claim out of the water that Brees is better outdoors even than Rodgers indoors) – 70.6%, 126.2 rating, 10.18 YPA (WOW!!), 7 TD, 0 INT

    You are an embarrassment to sports debate and should stop submitting your opinions until you actually check the false facts you claim. Oh, and for all the talk about how Brees “made” his players – Jimmy Graham is a beast and not a poor route runner, and Jermichael Finley is the same except he actually IS a poor route runner called out by Aaron Rodgers. How many 1st round picks does Rodgers have at his skill positions? 0 maybe? Jennings – 2nd round, J.Nelson – 2nd round, J.Jones – 3rd round, J.Finley – 3rd round, R.Cobb – 2nd round, D.Driver – 7th round, J.Starks – 6th round, R.Grant – Undrafted …. ZERO first round draft picks at WR/RB/TE. The only 1st round pick on the entire offense is Bryan Bulaga, who was taken late in the 1st round in 2010. Clifton is a 2nd round pick, Sitton is a 4th round pick, T.J. Lang is a 4th round pick, and Scott Wells is a 7th round pick. So the ONLY 1st round pick on GB’s offense, except Bryan Bulaga, is Aaron Rodgers. You are saying he had nothing to do with those players successes? Please….

  151. jeff33u says: Jan 6, 2012 6:43 PM

    Oh, and Brees sure turned that FIRST ROUND PICK Robert Meachem into a stud, didn’t he?? That SECOND ROUND pick Devery Henderson too! And wow, did FIRST ROUND PICK Mark Ingram tear it up with all that pressure taken off the running game due to Brees. Wait – none of that happened – those 3 players still suck.

  152. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 7:05 PM

    Sorry guys, I’ll admit I remembered the Brees record moment incorrectly. Still, half of my argument still stands.

    They basically stopped the game so they could celebrate it. I’m sure a good portion of the crowd attended that game to see the record broken, and most of those individuals would have stayed well after regulation to help the Saints celebrate it. The fact that the game was a blowout doesn’t make it any less of a bullcrap move. You think the Falcons gave a crap about his yardage record? Win the game, then celebrate the record.

    Or BETTER yet, celebrate the single SEASON yardage mark after the SEASON is OVER. At the time, Brees was less than 200 yards ahead of Brady. Sure, it was probably a lock for Brees at that point, but you’re simply making assumptions giving the record to Brees with a game left. It wasn’t entirely out of the realm of possibility for Brees to go down with an injury in week 17, while Brady has a big game to take the record from him.

    The thing that bothers me about the whole ordeal is how Saints fans are not willing to see it any other way but their own.

  153. hawks49 says: Jan 6, 2012 7:05 PM

    Justin Smith not being #1 and 50/50 is a travesty to anyone that actually follows stats beyond “sacks.” Although this was Allen’s best season ever… Smith’s was better.

    Pro Football Focus

    So what do we expect from the best defensive player in the NFL? Well first we want to see them on the field; situational players aren’t going to cut it for this award. For any position, never mind a 3-4 end, Smith’s 91.1% of all snaps ticks that box. Next, not only do we want them to be productive, we want them to dominate their position and being a full 14 grading points above the next player is exactly the type of supremacy we need. Thirdly we require balance – it’s all very well being some highly touted pass rusher, logging statistics that are easy to hype, but taking no responsibility as a run defender and rushing into the backfield on every play, like a headless chicken, doesn’t cut it with us. Smith shows that all-round ability by ranking first in our ratings as a pass rusher and fourth versus the run. That’s not to say we don’t like numbers; we love them, but in context and spouting subsets of pass rush data such as sacks is about as facile as it comes in our book. How about this instead; Smith generated 69 quarterback disruptions this year which ranks him joint fourth, not just among 3-4 ends, where he had 15 more than the next guy, but among every position. For someone playing over a guard most of the time that is remarkable. If that isn’t enough, lastly we want game changing plays. We won’t list them all but how about a 285lb player chasing 17 yards back downfield to force a fumble from Jeremy Maclin and preserve a one point lead with 2:06 left in the game?

  154. doubleogator says: Jan 6, 2012 7:15 PM

    So what if Brees threw to Sproles a lot, the plays work, and I do believe they are trying to win a football game, I doubt that most of you Brees bashers have seen enough of him to see the TD’s that go for 25 plus yards too. We did win a super bowl with him two years ago, and if you look at the stats for the two playoff games, and the super bowl in 09, you’ll see he didn’t throw one interception in any of those games and threw 7 td’s The same people saying that Brees was celebrating are probably the ones who loved B Favre when he was in G.B. (he was humble, right?) I said it earlier, I bet there are 29 other teams out there who wished they had Brees for a QB

  155. saints25 says: Jan 6, 2012 7:38 PM

    jeff33u @

    Drew Brees is a COMPLETELY different (and worse) QB outdoors (and the same is true even in domes on the road).
    ————————————————–

    i Know since 2009 Drew is 18-6 on the road…It only leads the NFL with the best road record since 2009….just awful. Rodgers is the best QB to EVER play the NFL…LMFAO,Rodgers is a great QB,an IMO So is Brees

  156. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 7:48 PM

    doubleogator says:
    Jan 6, 2012 7:15 PM
    So what if Brees threw to Sproles a lot, the plays work, and I do believe they are trying to win a football game, I doubt that most of you Brees bashers have seen enough of him to see the TD’s that go for 25 plus yards too. We did win a super bowl with him two years ago, and if you look at the stats for the two playoff games, and the super bowl in 09, you’ll see he didn’t throw one interception in any of those games and threw 7 td’s The same people saying that Brees was celebrating are probably the ones who loved B Favre when he was in G.B. (he was humble, right?) I said it earlier, I bet there are 29 other teams out there who wished they had Brees for a QB

    The argument deals with how Sproles affects Brees’ stats. I agree that those plays work well and the Saints should use them all day long, but if you’re arguing that Brees should get credit for Sproles breaking screen passes, then you’re clearly a homer. Honestly, screen passes should be counted as running plays (or at least the ones that have the QB throwing backwards to the back). I have no idea why they’re not. I’ve always questioned that.

    BTW, I’m a die-hard Pack fan, and hated Favre as soon as he started with the retirement games. Honestly, he came across as humble for a long long time. As soon as he left and tried to come back, throwing management under the bus, it was all Rodgers for me. He had his issues back in the day, but if someone wanted to get on his case about his Vicodin addiction, that was on them. Personally, I’m not an angel, so that wasn’t my place.

  157. jeff33u says: Jan 6, 2012 8:00 PM

    jeff33u @

    Drew Brees is a COMPLETELY different (and worse) QB outdoors (and the same is true even in domes on the road).
    ————————————————–

    i Know since 2009 Drew is 18-6 on the road…It only leads the NFL with the best road record since 2009….just awful. Rodgers is the best QB to EVER play the NFL…LMFAO,Rodgers is a great QB,an IMO So is Brees
    ——————————————-

    We’re talking this year, not 2009. But you are right, his numbers @STL and @TB (two juggernaut teams if I ever saw one) were OUTSTANDING….I give up, you are the swami of football.

  158. jeff33u says: Jan 6, 2012 8:04 PM

    Also, while the W-L record might be decent on the road for Brees, despite the fact that he looked terrible and had awful games against two of the worst teams in the NFL who had their coaches fired, his splits show he is FAR inferior statistically on the road. That is just the facts. His rating is about 110 at home, and in the 90′s on the road. Rodgers is the reverse – merely the best in NFL history at home while a world beater who never throws picks on the road.

  159. mistersmith22 says: Jan 6, 2012 8:12 PM

    deepseabreeze says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM
    mistersmith22 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM
    deepseabreeze: This year Lee broke Lechler’s record for highest punt-yard-average in a season. So as good as Lechler is, you can’t say he’s the best at his position…looking at the stats, Andy Lee just had the best punting season EVER.

    no he didn’t. check the stats bud. lechler averaged 51.1 yards per punt in 2009. lechler still holds the record

    —————

    That’s the stat for just plain kicking the ball — that just means Lechler kicks it farther than anyone else. Lee set the record for Net Average, which means field position. MUCH more meaningful stat. It’s efficiency and quality of work.

  160. binarybulge says: Jan 6, 2012 8:12 PM

    jeff33u says:
    Jan 6, 2012 8:04 PM
    Also, while the W-L record might be decent on the road for Brees, despite the fact that he looked terrible and had awful games against two of the worst teams in the NFL who had their coaches fired, his splits show he is FAR inferior statistically on the road. That is just the facts. His rating is about 110 at home, and in the 90′s on the road. Rodgers is the reverse – merely the best in NFL history at home while a world beater who never throws picks on the road.

    What are you talking about? Brees is 122.4 at home, 100.7 on the road. A 100.7 career passer rating would put you second in NFL history. Heck, even 90 on the road would be considered elite. Maybe we’re getting spoiled here, but don’t start thinking 100 is garbage.

    You’re right in that Brees is much better at home, but we’re talking hall-of-fame level at home vs elite level on the road. Nit-picking.

  161. marcinhouston says: Jan 6, 2012 8:16 PM

    Curtis Painter also threw for 6 TDs in relief of Peyton Manning this season, but that was over the course of 9 games, with basically the same weapons Peyton had last year, so I think you have to look at Flynn’s performance and cast some doubt on Rodgers as a system QB. It’s pretty hard to argue that the most valuable player is a player whose replacement performs as well as him in the only game you have to go by, and who gives his team the kind of threat at his position that they only had for 15 or 20 years before he got there. Sure, Rodgers beat Brees head to head, but he did that at home, with a few random plays like a receiver fumble and a kick return TD being key, and in a game in which Charles Woodson threw a punch but was neither penalized nor ejected for it and was allowed to continue contributing in the game, and then the game came down to the final play. If you compare Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Foster, they actually have a lot in common, both had some very big games, and both also saw their backups produce similar games when they got the start. The difference is that Rodgers and the team around him stayed healthy, so Rodgers gets the MVP for being healthy when he is clearly in just as much of a system situation as Foster.

  162. jeff33u says: Jan 6, 2012 8:16 PM

    Brees also looked awesome in the playoff game against Seattle last year. He has lost 4 out of 9 road games since the 2010 playoffs. 5-4 doesn’t look so good, so you decide to live in the past to bolster your claim – even though this thread is about the 2011 All-Pro team.

  163. packersweep says: Jan 6, 2012 8:18 PM

    rajuncajun28 says:
    Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM

    Brees will easily get the SB MVP this year. Fact.

    ————————————————–

    Only if Rodgers loans it to him. Seriously, if Brees were to win SB MVP he wouldn`t get the car because Payton would probably take it to bed-like he did with the SB trophy.

  164. noladat says: Jan 6, 2012 8:19 PM

    I love that fumbles must not count Rodgers 4 Brees 3 and taking a dozen more sacks must be a good thing!

    Nobody bring it up?

    Why?

  165. 122u says: Jan 6, 2012 8:25 PM

    virger says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM
    Brees>Rodgers

    Let’s see, I’m trying to figure out this symbol stuff. I’ll give it a try :)
    Flynn>Brees=Over-rated+dumb=loser

  166. autumnwind999 says: Jan 6, 2012 8:36 PM

    franktherat96 says:Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM

    Rodgers loss to the chiefs….pretty bad team in an of itself. if the rolls were reversed packers fans you would be saying the same things us Saints fans are. I have news for you though, you guys aren’t making it back to the super bowl again this year. I wouldn’t be shocked if you lose in the divisional round

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    The Chiefs were 7-9, didn’t the Saints give the Rams one of their 2 wins this season? And the Bucs one of their 4 wins?

    Come on , now.

  167. goldrush36 says: Jan 6, 2012 9:03 PM

    deepseabreeze says: Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM

    janikowski and lechler were shafted. they are both respectively the best at their positions. the niners winning this year is the only reason akers and lee were first team all pro over them

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    True Raider moron homerism at it’s finest. Yeah let’s just toss out the facts like Akers and Lee both broke all time NFL records this year and were statistically superior. Here’s your sign genius

  168. killface4prez says: Jan 6, 2012 9:22 PM

    xismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

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    I am not fat, and I don’t like Miller beer. Other than that…sounds about right.

    As far as your “smelly” charge – I assume you are from New Orleans, the whole downtown of which is essentially one huge open sewer? Hi there, kettle, have you met pot?

  169. tokyosandblaster says: Jan 6, 2012 9:26 PM

    Interesting.

    Some dude says that it isn’t a runaway race for Rodgers, and yet he received 48.5 votes out of 50 possible.

    Clearly people who know a lot more about the ins and outs of football think Rodgers is better than Brees.

    Perhaps that should tell you something.

    Perhaps your opinion is rather stupid.

  170. smedley61 says: Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM

    rexismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.
    ________________________________________________________________

    Sounds like you’ve got issues that go well beyond a football board.

  171. stevenfbrackett says: Jan 7, 2012 1:19 AM

    It is funny how people say Matt Flynn love is based solely on two starts. No, it is also based on all the times he played in preseason and in relief of Rodgers in the 3rd & 4th quarters. He had some rough, even ugly spots in the beginning, as any rookie backup would, but has improved steadily to the point where he is now consistently good when put in, though not to the freakish degree of last week.

    Wherever he goes, I have every confidence that he will adapt to the new system and do just fine. He won’t put up last week’s numbers regularly – that was a once in a lifetime game – but he’ll be solid. Not so confident in the third string QB, he hasn’t been very good thus far. But hopefully they can develop him as well as they developed the last two backups.

    Another snub: Mason Crosby for kicker. He’s been very dependable and broken several franchise records this year – most of them his own. Can’t he even get a couple of votes?

  172. truthserum4u says: Jan 7, 2012 4:58 AM

    kennyrogerschicken says:Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM

    And Fran has zero championships. Great comparison, son, maybe you should take your own advice.

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    What does that have to do with someone being better at QB (or any position for that matter) than another?

    You Packer fans crack me up. That’s your answer to everything – “championships!” As if that’s what determines if a player is great or not.

    But you guys go on supporting each other even when one of you makes an embarrassing statement like the one saying your back-up QB, starting all of two games, is better than three Hall Of Famers, three Super Bowl winners and anthor four that started @ QB in the SB. Not to mention another handful of highly accomplished QBs.

    It’s sad really…

  173. truthserum4u says: Jan 7, 2012 5:40 AM

    beedubyatoo says:Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM

    rexismybff says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

    ————————

    From your screen name, I’m assuming that you live in the New York area or are a Jets fan. I can say this with 100% certainty. I’ve been to New York and I’ve been to Green Bay. Green Bay is better. At least it’s an American city with clean streets, good schools, real patriotic Americans and the best football fans.

    Oh, and did I mention that the Packers have 12 more NFL championships than the Jets?

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    You really don’t want to start getting into a championship counting contest with a New Yorker. The Packers don’t even make it half way to the Yankees’ total. And that doesn’t include the Mets, the Jets, the Giants, the Islanders, the Rangers & Knicks.

    I guess Green Bay isn’t Title Town after all.

  174. truthserum4u says: Jan 7, 2012 5:59 AM

    The Sproles 707 YAC stat HAS to be wrong. He has a TOTAL of 710 receiving yards on the year.

    Since YAC means yards after the catch, it would mean out of the 86 receptions Sproles had, Brees threw the ball a total of only three yards in the air. That would be a lot of swing & screen passes that he’s catching before the line of scrimmage. But since I’ve seen him catch at least one pass inwhich the ball was over three yards in the air, this YAC stat can’t be accurate.

  175. 20bust11 says: Jan 7, 2012 9:07 AM

    rysol says:
    Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM
    Here come the NOLA fans who think Brees walks on water. Rodgers had BETTER STATS.

    Rodgers had NO bad games.

    10/16 – Brees 29/45 383 yds 1 TD; 3 INT as you lose to the 4-12 Bucs

    10/30 – Brees 30/44 269 yrd 1 TD; 2 INT as you lose to the 2- 14 Rams.

    Rodgers didn’t have ANY bad games. Rodgers led his team to the top seed. Brees laid in egg against two crap teams and as a result, earned his team playing time this weekend.

    His coach’s desire to keep throwing into the record books does not an MVP make. Nor does a long standing record that three guys came close to. And a fourth would have hit if he were played like Brees.

    If Rodgers threw as much as Brees, he’d have over 6,000 yds.

    Any bad games. I guess KC doesn’t count. Rodgers was horrific in that game.

    Brees set more records in 1 game (Not game 16), than Rodgers will have in his career.
    MVP is a joke!
    NFL magazine had it right. Manning deserved it more Cheap Double Hack.

  176. smedley61 says: Jan 7, 2012 10:46 AM

    You really don’t want to start getting into a championship counting contest with a New Yorker. The Packers don’t even make it half way to the Yankees’ total.
    __________________________________
    I must have missed something. What years did the Yankees win the NFL Championship?

  177. jeff33u says: Jan 7, 2012 6:30 PM

    Darren Sproles 2011

    86 catches, 710 yards, 8.3 yards per reception, 8.4 YAC average

    The statistics cited for him are correct. He almost ALWAYS receives the ball behind the line of scrimmage. That is the only possible way to have more YAC than yards, which he does. Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7306.

    For his CAREER, he averages 9.1 yards per reception (which means he averaged more in SD than NO), and for his CAREER, he averages 9.6 YAC average.

    Again, to those who just refuse to believe facts – look them up before spouting out assanine views that aren’t grounded in reality.

  178. mushroomcloudlayin says: Jan 7, 2012 7:50 PM

    sxt004 says: Jan 6, 2012 5:36 PM

    @ mushroomcloudlayin…

    Dude seriously. Drew Brees was the most efficient QB in the league and broke his own record. Another idiot on these boards i see. So he was the most efficient as well as the most yards. Aaron Rodgers passer rating was higher…get it straight guy.

    Second off everyone says ow brees threw it more that’s how he got the obvious yards. Well wouldn’t throwing it more mean you’re more prone to having less efficiency. I mean if you miss 2 or 3 passes out of 10 your numbers will be worse that if you miss 2 or 3 out of 100. But again, you educated fellas on here have it all figured out though. We unedumacated southerners in Louisiana just chase alligators around and scream choot em whilst also walking around barefoot and robbing people?

    ________________

    Dude, seriously. Ratios and Passer Rating are indications of efficiency per throw – in which Rodgers has better numbers than Brees. V

    I’m not trying to cheapen Brees’ accomplishments, but to me it’s second best this season.

    I have absolutely nothing against Drew Brees, the Saints or anyone from Louisiana – Nawlins is probably my favorite American city to visit. Nor do I think Saints fans are idiots, just passionate homers like ALL THE REST OF US.

    Still, you should make sure your premises make logical sense before you call someone else an idiot.

  179. mushroomcloudlayin says: Jan 7, 2012 7:57 PM

    To clarify, Brees holds the advantage in completion percentage, but the other meaningful ratios (like Passer Rating and YPA – which as any gambler knows are the best indicating statistics of victory in the NFL) go to Rodgers, as well as TD:Att, TD:INT and INT:Att.

    Again, Brees is an amazing player who had an amazing year, but I think Aaron Rodgers was just a bit better.

  180. bears5683 says: Jan 8, 2012 10:03 AM

    “Here come the NOLA fans who think Brees walks on water. Rodgers had BETTER STATS.

    Rodgers had NO bad games.

    10/16 – Brees 29/45 383 yds 1 TD; 3 INT as you lose to the 4-12 Bucs

    10/30 – Brees 30/44 269 yrd 1 TD; 2 INT as you lose to the 2- 14 Rams.

    Rodgers didn’t have ANY bad games. Rodgers led his team to the top seed. Brees laid in egg against two crap teams and as a result, earned his team playing time this weekend.

    His coach’s desire to keep throwing into the record books does not an MVP make. Nor does a long standing record that three guys came close to. And a fourth would have hit if he were played like Brees.

    If Rodgers threw as much as Brees, he’d have over 6,000 yds.”

    I’m a Bree’s fan and Roger’s Hater, but you make a good argument. Either way I vote for Bree’s because I’m biased. As a matter of fact I’ll vote Brady 2nd. I hate Rogers.

  181. golonger says: Jan 9, 2012 12:42 PM

    I certainly hope you tools in here remember this indoor/outdoor comparison next time a Manning vs. Brady argument arises! LOL

  182. truthserum4u says: Jan 9, 2012 11:51 PM

    @ smedley61

    I know reading comprehension isn’t a strength of Packer fans, but try to stay with me here smedley.

    beedubyatoo started by attacking another city, as is common amongst Packer fans, and then started in with the championships. Again this is common with Packers fans; big talk about championships & trophies (which it’s okay to be proud, just not to act lik a jerk, which too many do). So if you’re going to start comparing cities and talking championships, then let’s talk championships smedley. Of course Packer fans don’t want to go there because they don’t have anything more than football, so you smedley want to limit it to the NFL. Sorry, but if you’re going to talk about cities then you have to talk about championships in all sports. And there smedley, you’re city’s trophy case would fill about a third of New York’s, like it or not.

    I’m also quite sure you don’t even realize that the New York Yankees actually played professional football.

  183. ghiaguy67 says: Jan 11, 2012 1:03 AM

    I think most people on here have the wrong definition of what a MVP is, to me it means without that player on their team that team basically stinks. That MVP is a crucial part to the teams success, how about a great example of this: LOOK AT THE COLTS WITHOUT PERENNIAL MVP Manning?????? They stink without Manning, let me see Rodgers sat out a game and his back-up has the best day of any Packer QB ever, hmmm makes me wonder if that means that in reality the Packers would do just as good without Rodgers at the helm. MVP is not about stats, it is about the catalyst that player brings to his team.

  184. bozorocks says: Jan 12, 2012 7:31 PM

    @ the complte and total moron that wrote this.
    A whole bunch of fat, smelly Wisconsins are doing the discount double check right about now.

    Half a minute out of their day when they aren’t picking their noses, farting, or trying desperately to get drunk on sewer-water beer.

    I am so sorry your envy has got you down and out. I am sure there are many fat people where you live too. I bet most of them stink worse then you. The last time I picked my nose, I flung it out across the room to a pile of garbage where I saw you were eating from. When I last farted, you came out. And boy oh boy, that last beer I drank was awesome. Go Packers !

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