Skip to content

Bettis, Carter, Roaf, Parcells, Shields among Hall of Fame finalists

Bill Parcells AP

In his first year of eligibility, Will Shields is a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2012.

The Hall of Fame today announced the 15 modern-era finalists who will be up for election, and Shields is the only first-year eligible player on the list. Former coach Bill Parcells is considered a first-year eligible candidate as well, although he was actually voted down when he was a finalist in 2001 and 2002. He then became ineligible when he returned to coaching in 2003, and the Hall of Fame changed its rules after that to require coaches to be retired at least five years before they could be considered.

Other notable names on the list of 15 modern-era candidates are Jerome Bettis, Cris Carter and Willie Roaf. The selection committee, made up of 44 members of the media, will also consider senior nominees Jack Butler and Dick Stenfel.

The list of 17 finalists will be voted down to between four and seven new members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame on the day before the Super Bowl. The full list of 17 finalists is below.

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Butler – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Dick Stanfel – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

Permalink 99 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Rumor Mill, Top Stories
99 Responses to “Bettis, Carter, Roaf, Parcells, Shields among Hall of Fame finalists”
  1. yelix says: Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM

    Shields and Roaf completely defined how those positions should be played. I don’t know if either ever personally allowed a sack.

    The fact that they were Chiefs makes it better.

  2. bettis3636 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:01 PM

    Jerome Bettis is the BIGGEST to ever do it… a FREAK season by Curtis Martin and a last gasp by L.T. has knocked him to 6th all time… PLEASE give this man his credit!!

  3. mvpolamalu says: Jan 7, 2012 2:01 PM

    Jerome Bettis!!!!!!!!

  4. beastofeden says: Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM

    I can’t believe people care about the Hall Of Fame. We can’t be bothered with paying homage to forefathers.

    Especially with their long, boring, dragged out and prboably drugged out speeches about growing up poor and unloved.

    It’s played out. If you hate the Pro Bowl then I can’t see you enjoying the Hall Of Fame (Ceremony or game)

  5. ticalcaldwell says: Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM

    Chris Carter ==== mouth ==== no vote

  6. ticalcaldwell says: Jan 7, 2012 2:03 PM

    why dont you ask Chris what he has done for his hometown high school team?????nothing……

  7. cowboysfromdallas says: Jan 7, 2012 2:04 PM

    Where is Darren Woodson?

  8. grandpoopah says: Jan 7, 2012 2:04 PM

    Looks like a relatively weak list. Roaf should be a shoo in but it seems wide open after him. Could be Carter’s best shot at making it.

  9. ravensfan4life52 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:05 PM

    I don’t get how Art Modell isn’t in the HOF. It is a crime that a man so deserving isn’t in the Hall yet and they probably won’t vote him into the Hall until after he has passed on.

  10. slippyal2 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:06 PM

    Will Shields
    Willie Roaf
    Cris Carter
    Andre Reed

    Are the guys who should get pushed through this year.

  11. knightringonow says: Jan 7, 2012 2:09 PM

    Lackluster class, really. No marque names.
    HOF? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

  12. gallaghedj311 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:11 PM

    I say Dawson and shields should make it without a doubt.

  13. souldogdave says: Jan 7, 2012 2:12 PM

    Sentimental favorites of mine would be Tim Brown and Charles Haley. All players listed are worthy.

  14. mrplow3 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:14 PM

    You may not like Cris Carter’s mouth, I know I don’t, but you can not deny this man the hall of fame any longer.

    There has never been a better sideline reciever in the history of the game, king of the one handed grabs and touchdown machine. He needs to be in, now.

  15. beastofeden says: Jan 7, 2012 2:15 PM

    I hope Jerome Bettis thanks that referee who bungled/point shaved/threw the Super Bowl the Steelers.

    With out him he wouldn’t have ring.

  16. waldoampere says: Jan 7, 2012 2:18 PM

    Curtis Martin is fourth all-time among RBs. Bettis was a very good player but I’d take Martin.

  17. golonger says: Jan 7, 2012 2:19 PM

    Bettis is so over-rated….doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF…than again…many in there already dont either!

  18. bbkld5 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:22 PM

    The HOF likes their Heisman winners but hates the Raiders, so it’ll be close either way for Tim Brown.

  19. cliverush says: Jan 7, 2012 2:24 PM

    Curtis Martin for sure, the best runner in the group. Carter, but only if he agrees to never put his face or open his mouth on TV again.

  20. jg725 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:26 PM

    whether you like him or hate him – how can there be ANY coaches in the hall of fame if parcells is not in there????
    won 2 super bowls with giants – took over a terrible patriot team and took them to the super bowl – took over a 1-15 jets team and had them within 30 minutes of the super bowl within 2 years – really……….

  21. phillyphever says: Jan 7, 2012 2:28 PM

    Roaf, Shields, Reed (should get in first before Carter), Bettis, Haley and Greene.

    I’m actually surprised Paul Tagliabue isn’t a finalist. Thought he might get more consideration now that there’s a new CBA.

  22. Marv says: Jan 7, 2012 2:29 PM

    This list is a reminder what a monster of an O-line the Chiefs used to have a couple of years ago…

  23. thefiesty1 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:32 PM

    Parcells? I don’t think so.

  24. 6250claimer says: Jan 7, 2012 2:33 PM

    Eddie D. I don’t care about his messy exit, his contributions to the Niner dynasty absolutely deserve to put him in the hall. Ask anyone who played for or worked under him.

  25. jimmysimpson55 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:33 PM

    Roaf is a lock.

  26. stevesabato says: Jan 7, 2012 2:35 PM

    Kevin Greene is #3 all time in sacks, one of the greatest pass-rushers of the modern NFL. Deserves a good look.

  27. j972 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:35 PM

    Only Haley deserves it.

  28. jumpinjoebuck says: Jan 7, 2012 2:35 PM

    Dawson, Shields, Roaf and Brown if I had votes. Bettis, Martin and Parcells absolutely deserve to be voted in, but in no rush if you ask me.

  29. musiccitymiracle says: Jan 7, 2012 2:36 PM

    Carter, Dawson, Brown, Roaf, Martin

  30. mjbulls45 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:37 PM

    TIM BROWN SHOULD BE IN…

    he never had a GREAT QB throwing to him except Gannon in his late years,

    never got in trouble, class act

    great numbers, all purpose player

    was the face of the Raiders for 15 years, sharp player, played in alotta playoff games, got to a SB…

    if he goes , I’M GOIN TO CANTON for the ceremony !

    its a trip worth goin!

    whos comin with me!

  31. pastabelly says: Jan 7, 2012 2:39 PM

    Curtis Martin is the most deserving on the list.

  32. cags777 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:42 PM

    It is time to vote in Cris Carter to the NFL Hall of Fame. He’s been very deserving to be included in this list and I hope people have the foresight to see this through.

  33. mwcarolina says: Jan 7, 2012 2:42 PM

    i think Carter may be waiting another year, Bettis should go

  34. athleticmedic says: Jan 7, 2012 2:43 PM

    Seriously people?? No “marque names”. The one thing that drives me CRAZY on this board is there are SOOO many people who can’t see the forest through the trees. At the very least, STOP BEING TOTAL HOMERS, when the discussion is about league topics!

    Cris Carter is one instance of a “marque name”. CLEARLY an elite WR…for example:
    4th in CAREER catches
    4th in CAREER rec TDs
    8th in CAREER rec yds
    8 Pro Bowls
    2x 1st Team All Pro
    1999 Walter Payton Man of the Year
    5 seasons of 10+ TDs including a 17 TD season

    CLEARLY one of the best WRs all time. I understand the whole punish him for drug use thing, I get the irritation regarding his attitude…but STOP PLAYING AROUND! The HOF is for people who are “elite”, not just “very good” and CC is one of THE BEST!

  35. patsfanforlife says: Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM

    Can the story of the NFL be told without mentioning…

    Bill Parcells has to be in that mix. So many current great coaches and players under his tree.

  36. letsgosharks says: Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM

    Touchdown Timmy Brown!

  37. seth1280 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:47 PM

    Curtis Martin and Bill Parcells both belong in the HOF. They were both in the upperclass of their respective careers and had heart and soul for the sport.

  38. profootballwalk says: Jan 7, 2012 2:48 PM

    Bettis never led the league in rushing yards, yards per attempt or rushing TDs. He was second in yards/season once. Does that make him one of the best ever? He wasn’t the best – or second best – during his own era. The only reason he’s in the discussion is that he was 4th in career attempts. So does a guy go to the HOF for staying healthy longer than other guys? Not to me. His best years don’t get him in, so his career totals shouldn’t either. Hall of Very Good for a Long Time.

  39. fittytuckin says: Jan 7, 2012 2:48 PM

    Jerome Bettis is not a hall of famer. Now steelers ring of honor is where he should be.

  40. travishenryskid says: Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM

    Andre Reed is a must this year

  41. vikingdoode says: Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM

    Jim Marshall

  42. jimmysimpson55 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:54 PM

    Dang, Jim Plunkett won two super bowls and he is never considered.

  43. keyshawn22 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM

    Curtis Martin and Cris Carter have to be in.

    Martin is one of the most underrated running backs of all time. Has slightly better stats than bettis all the way around despite playing less years and on worse teams overall.

    Carter was clearly better than Brown or Reed although I do think both are legit hall of famers on their own.

    Also Parcells has to be in there, the Giants, Pats and Jets were all jokes before he arrived and he made them instantly good franchises.

  44. kuantan97 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM

    Said it before. Say it again: Bettis is no hall of famer. He never passed the eye test. I never saw one of his games and said, “Wow! He’s really taking over!” Marshall Faulk passed the eye test, so did Terrell Davis. Same thing goes for Hines Ward. To put him up in the pantheon of greats is laughable.

  45. bry2j316 says: Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM

    Cortez Kennedy was a monster inside and redefined how defensive tackle was played. He won defensive player of the year on a 2-14 team, and would have been a first ballot hall of famer if he hadn’t been stuck playing on teams quarterbacked by Stan Gelbaugh, Rick Mirer, Dan McGwire, and John Friesz.

  46. lionsfanatic84 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:00 PM

    If there were a football knowledge hall of fame, Chris Carter would be banned

  47. leatherhelmets says: Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM

    Haley would have been in by now had it not been for the whole whacking off in the locker room thing he was known for. I’m sure the hof committee just loved talking about his off the field antics.

  48. hiyamaya00 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:03 PM

    CURTIS !!!!!

    If he gets screwed there should be an investigation.

  49. kingviking414 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:08 PM

    Yes, ok, I’m a Viking Fan. But c’mon, isn’t it time for CC to finally get in? He deserves it!

  50. golfnutt67 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM

    One of the reasons the NFL is king is how level the playing field is with regard to team operations.
    The salary cap is a big part of this. How about they honor one of the people who helped make the salary cap a reality. L
    ets hear it for one of the greatest owner in the modern era Edward DeBartolo, Jr. Put him in this year!

  51. bobhk says: Jan 7, 2012 3:12 PM

    jg725 says:
    Jan 7, 2012 2:26 PM
    whether you like him or hate him – how can there be ANY coaches in the hall of fame if parcells is not in there????
    won 2 super bowls with giants – took over a terrible patriot team and took them to the super bowl – took over a 1-15 jets team and had them within 30 minutes of the super bowl within 2 years – really……….
    ————–
    Please. There are many other coaches who have better credentials. He’s been defined by decreasing success. The best he did was with the Giants. He lost in the superbowl with Pats, he lost in the AFC championship game with the Jets, he was mediocre at Dallas, and he screwed Miami royally.

    Some other poster mentioned his coaching tree.
    It consists of three successes (Belichick, Coughlin, and Payton). Rest are busts.

  52. wardmanone says: Jan 7, 2012 3:12 PM

    Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams
    He worthy of HoF

  53. postfixer says: Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM

    Roaf, Shields, Martin, Brown, and go with whoever for the 5th… But those are the 4 I’d go with.

  54. ireportyoudecide says: Jan 7, 2012 3:24 PM

    All great players, if they were all 22 and free agents who would get the biggest contract knowing now what kind of player they would turn out to be? My guess is the way the NFL values positions is

    1. W. Roaf
    2. C. Haley
    3. C. Kennedy
    4. A. Williams

    RB’s, WR’s, and interior OL and much easier to find.

  55. fatfreddystubbs says: Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM

    I agree that Curtis Martin belongs in the Hall. Having grown up on the East coast, I don’t deny there is an East Coast bias to the media, but Curtis Martin is the exception. He played in the Boston and New York markets yet somehow is completely under the radar when people talk about great RBs.

  56. dixon29 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:32 PM

    Anyone who thinks Cris Carter shouldn’t be in is a complete moron. The guy retired being number two all time in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Number 2! If he doesn’t deserve to be in the only WR that does is Jerry Rice.

  57. broncobrewer says: Jan 7, 2012 3:33 PM

    If any safety deserves to get in its Steve Atwater. He was a force. Nobody wanted to go over the middle when he played. Just look at the Superbowl when he knocked himself and the green bay receiver out.

  58. stampnhawk says: Jan 7, 2012 3:39 PM

    Cortez Kennedey, for being the top defensive player in the league, while on a woeful Seahawks 2-14 team, and a solid 10 year career.

    A finalist last year and 3 years ago, give the man what he’s earned.

  59. seahawksfan25 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:47 PM

    What about Ricky Watters? He has H.O.F numbers.

  60. ern215 says: Jan 7, 2012 3:48 PM

    Brown, and carter, and whoever else.

  61. rajbais says: Jan 7, 2012 3:48 PM

    The Senior Members … that’s for the writers. I’m not a minimal age of 67.

    If the maximum number of modern day candidates is six, here are mine (WARNING: Jason Whitlock’s panties will get bunched up because there’s no Willie Roaf and not enough players that make him look like a blatant homer!!!):

    Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

    Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

    Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

    Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

    Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

    Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

  62. hafftime says: Jan 7, 2012 3:52 PM

    bettis = the most overrated media creation in football history. put up big numbers vs. bengals & browns but layed an egg come playoff time.

  63. whynotusecommonsense says: Jan 7, 2012 3:54 PM

    athleticmedic says:
    Jan 7, 2012 2:43 PM

    Cris Carter is one instance of a “marque name”. CLEARLY an elite WR…for example:
    4th in CAREER catches
    4th in CAREER rec TDs
    8th in CAREER rec yds
    8 Pro Bowls
    2x 1st Team All Pro
    1999 Walter Payton Man of the Year
    5 seasons of 10+ TDs including a 17 TD season

    ———————————————–
    That’s a great argument for Carter and I’d make a similar argument for Tim Brown:

    5th in career receptions
    6th in career rec TD’s
    4th in career rec yds
    5th in career all purpose yds
    9 Pro Bowls (7 as WR, 2 as KR)
    1x 2nd Team All Pro, 4x All Conference
    4x Top 5 in receiving yards

    Both Carter and Brown deserving and while Carter was a better scorer, ultimately I think Brown has the edge due to his kick and punt return dominance early in his career.

    He led the league in kick return stats and all purpose yards as a rookie in 1988 and led the league in punt return yards in 1997. 5x Top 5 punt return yds and 5th for career punt return yds. 4 career return TD’s.

  64. Sandra Lee's Cans says: Jan 7, 2012 4:00 PM

    I think all Halls of Fame are diluted. It seems that more and more players who were very good, but not great, are being inducted. I believe that, at one time, one of the criteria was “what did the player do to change or impact the game?”

    Subscribing to that, Tommy John should be in the baseball HOF. So should Lee Smith, who was the model for closers today. These guys had an impact on the game. Willy Roaf and Will Shields were standard setters for their positions, Dawson and Bettis were durable and dependable and will probably get in because impact on the game seems to no longer be considered. The rest of them? Open a Hall of Very Good and put them in the first class of inductees.

  65. rabidbillsfan says: Jan 7, 2012 4:00 PM

    Martin>>>>>>>Bettis

    Can Bettis say that he ran for over 1,000 yards 10 straight seasons? Can Bettis say he caught 30 or more Balls in 10 straight seasons? Sure he has a ring, but so does Mark Brunnell, Charlie Batch, and every other back-up on a SuperBowl winning team. Bettis was at his best when the Steelers were simply mediocre, once they moved away from him is when the success came. He will get in solely because of his running style, a glorified Full-Back is all he was. Heck I’d take Mike “A-Train” Alstott over him anyday, atleast he could catch.

  66. stavreafavre says: Jan 7, 2012 4:03 PM

    Would you say that an OG who was named to the all-NFL 50th anniversary team (and is the only guy from the team not already in) and who provided the winning points in a league championship game by being the back-up PLACEKICKER should maybe be in? Put Jerry Kramer in, and then we can talk about these other guys.

  67. heybeerman95 says: Jan 7, 2012 4:04 PM

    kuantan97 says:Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM

    Said it before. Say it again: Bettis is no hall of famer. He never passed the eye test. I never saw one of his games and said, “Wow! He’s really taking over!” Marshall Faulk passed the eye test, so did Terrell Davis. Same thing goes for Hines Ward. To put him up in the pantheon of greats is laughable.
    ———————————————————-

    Just as one example, did you see the game in 2005 aganist the Bears in the snow? Didn’t think so.

  68. mianfr says: Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM

    The class should be:

    Tim Brown

    Curtis Martin

    Bill Parcells

    Willie Roaf

    Will Shields

    Really hard to understand why Brown and Martin aren’t in already.

  69. rabidbillsfan says: Jan 7, 2012 4:11 PM

    @bobhk

    That has to be the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. It’s a shame the only 3 that you see as “Non-Bust” have 5 combined superbowls and 6 superbowl appearances, and right now boast a 35-13 record on some of the most dangerous teams in the playoffs. Nice try though. Also, since his Dallas departure, they are a solid 47-33, with 2 double digit winning seasons in the first 3 of his departure. Not bad either.

  70. 1bigtex says: Jan 7, 2012 4:17 PM

    @jimmysimpson55

    Can we lose the “Jim Plunkett is being mistreated” garbage. Let’s look at Plunkett’s career. All Pro teams: Zero. Pro Bowl teams: Zero. Career record: .500. Number of winning seasons: four. TDs versus INTs: way more INTs than TDs. Seasons he lead the league in passing: Zero ( he was top five once). The dude is something like 15,000 yards behind Drew Bledsoe in career passing yardage and nobody is screaming for Bledsoe to be put in Canton.

    Jim Plunkett isn’t in the Hall of Fame because he didn’t have a Hall of Fame worthy CAREER! The next thing you’re going to tell us is that Tom Flores should be in the Hall.

  71. baboushka says: Jan 7, 2012 4:18 PM

    Here are my choices:
    1. Bill Parcells-3 SuperBowls (2 wins). Won everywhere he coached. And flowered the NFL and college ranks with protege coaches.

    2. Andre Reed-Record breaking marquee receiver on 4 straight SuperBowl teams. Should have won at least 2 of them. If only Thurman Thomas had shown up from hiding in them (or found his helmet). I’m shocked he is not already in the HOF!

    3. Willie Roaf- Perennial All Pro. And one of the 2-3 best offensinve tackles to ever play the game.

    4. Charles Haley- “Mr Mean” was the best DE I ever saw except for Richard Dent and Willie Davis. He was a game shaper in San Fran and Dallas. Major SuperBowl pedigree.

    5. Tim Brown- This was a toss up IMO between Brown and Curtis Martin. Tim was a marquee player for a long time on Raider teams that mattered. And he was a major catalyst. That’s why he gets the slight nod.

  72. lilrob10201 says: Jan 7, 2012 4:28 PM

    cowboysfromdallas says: Where is Darren Woodson ?
    ————————————————
    Brian Dawkins will be in the H.O.F before Darren Woodson.

  73. lilrob10201 says: Jan 7, 2012 4:29 PM

    Curtis Martin should get in before Bettis.I am also glad Carter is finally getting in the H.O.F after getting snubed for the 4th year strait.

  74. lilrob10201 says: Jan 7, 2012 4:34 PM

    Kevin Greene should also get in.He finished 3rd all time in sacks.I think he keeps getting snubbed from the H.O.F every year is because there are already too many Steelers LBs in the H.O.F

  75. bobhk says: Jan 7, 2012 4:50 PM

    rabidbillsfan says:
    Jan 7, 2012 4:11 PM
    @bobhk

    That has to be the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. It’s a shame the only 3 that you see as “Non-Bust” have 5 combined superbowls and 6 superbowl appearances, and right now boast a 35-13 record on some of the most dangerous teams in the playoffs. Nice try though. Also, since his Dallas departure, they are a solid 47-33, with 2 double digit winning seasons in the first 3 of his departure. Not bad either.
    ————
    @rabidbillsfan

    if you don’t understand it get a clue. He’s had a rapid decent in the results he got. That’s called a steep decline.
    One thing you need to understand: one of the main reason’s for leaving NE was he wasn’t allowed to pick the groceries. So, you can’t even give him credit for the NE talent.

    Regarding Dallas, you prove my point exactly: Dallas has been a lot better since he left. He did not pick the players (Jones did). Then he went on his destructive tour of Miami. If not for “Wide Right” he’d be 1-2 in superbowls.

    Just the very fact that he was a finalist in 2001 and 2002 and did not make it should give you a clue that many people don’t regard him very highly. After 2002 the results have not exactly added positively.
    Truly great coaches like Landry and Walsh made it in the first year of eligibility.

    If you don’t understand or don’t have a sense of history get a clue.

  76. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 4:52 PM

    kuantan97

    That’s because you never watched him, you tool.

    On his last legs in 2005 he ran for 100 yards against the NFL’s second ranked defense–the Bears

    In 2004 and 2005, the Steelers used him at the end of games to run out the clock. Teams like Baltimore and New England (when they used to have a good D) would line up in a goal line defense, and Bettis would just run right through them.

    Hands down, the best power back of his era.

    With that being said, I think Curtis Martin should probably make it in before him. Martin was probably the most consistent running back I’ve ever seen.

    But to say Bettis never dominated a game is to admit that you’ve never watched him play.

  77. duanethomas says: Jan 7, 2012 4:55 PM

    I wouldn’t consider Payton coming from Parcells tree, Jim Fassell or Ray Rhodes maybe but not Parcells.

  78. Ricardo Grande says: Jan 7, 2012 4:57 PM

    ravensfan4life52 says:

    “I don’t get how Art Modell isn’t in the HOF. It is a crime that a man so deserving isn’t in the Hall yet and they probably won’t vote him into the Hall until after he has passed on.”

    ———————-

    Well…here’s your answer: He’s not worthy. It’s pretty simple, really. And I wouldn’t expect any posthumous honors either, if I were you.

    And, if you are truly a “ravensfan4life,” wouldn’t that make you about 15 years old?

  79. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    profootballwalk

    By your rationale, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis are HOFers.

    Leading the league in rushing once means nothing. It’s all about being consistent.

    Bettis was injury plagued in his last few seasons, yet teams still could not stop him when Pittsburgh used him to run out the clock at the end of games.

    They’d put 8 and 9 guys in the box and Bettis would average 5 yards per carry against that goal line defense. then there was no chance that the opposing offense would get the ball back.

    Curtis Martin should get in first, but Bettis should follow.

    Plus it’s about time that Carter got in. Potentially the softest hands to ever play the game, a ton of receptions with some average to awful QBs.

    I mean, come on; Rice at least had Montana and Young. Carter had Cunningham.

  80. jg725 says: Jan 7, 2012 5:40 PM

    BTW – Parcells did “pick the groceries” in NE and when kraft would not let him he left.
    He also is responsible for some dallas guys that are still pretty good – romo, ware, and i think ratliff(not positive)
    Can someone tell me what head ches are in the hof? i would be curious about how parcells compares to them.
    And you also can’t keep throwing the miami argument against him – johnny untis was cut by the steelers before he became a superstar – sometimes a situation is just not the right match.
    Just my opinion

  81. profootballwalk says: Jan 7, 2012 5:42 PM

    johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 5:02 PM

    profootballwalk

    By your rationale, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis are HOFers.

    Leading the league in rushing once means nothing. It’s all about being consistent.
    ******************************************

    I didn’t say anything about leading the league ONLY once. Bettis never lead the league EVER. He wasn’t the best RB of his era, he wasn’t the second best, and he wasn’t third best. Consistently being fifth-tenth best should not get you in the HOF beause you had a long career. Consistent excellence goes to the HOF, not consistent second class play. And fifteen second class years doesn’t make a first class player.

  82. rogperu says: Jan 7, 2012 5:52 PM

    parcells is a failure.

  83. rabidbillsfan says: Jan 7, 2012 5:57 PM

    @johntonioholmes

    By your logic, Bettis should have a career YPC of over 6 yards if he was averaging 5 against 8 man fronts. Whats funny, is that he has a carrer average of under 4.0 yards per carry, which would insult players like Gale Sayers, Marshal Faulk, and ‘Sweetness’. He didn’t break records, never won MVP or any other award for that matter, and didn’t change the game one bit. He played behind a stellar O-Line all of his career, and in the twilight of it, Rothlisberger threw his Fat A** on his back and carried him to a horribly officiated super-bowl win, where he accomplished nothing.

  84. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 6:20 PM

    profootballwalk

    How could he have 15 second class years and finish as the #5 all-time leading rusher until someone passes him after he’s retired?

    Also, he played 13 years (not 15, but clearly you lack the capacity to do 5 seconds worth of research).

    He AP Rookie of the Year (which means he was the best at SOMETHING).

    He was comeback player of the year once, because he lost an entire season when the Rams became a pass-first offense and moved him to fullback.

    He was leading the league in rushing in 2001 before a groin injury effectively ended his season.

    Now he’s the 6th all-time leading rusher in the NFL, despite the amount of game-time that he missed.

    He was consistently good enough to retire as a top 5 rusher.

    Take off the blinders you clueless homer.

  85. bobhk says: Jan 7, 2012 6:22 PM

    BTW – Parcells did “pick the groceries” in NE and when kraft would not let him he left.
    He also is responsible for some dallas guys that are still pretty good – romo, ware, and i think ratliff(not positive)
    Can someone tell me what head ches are in the hof? i would be curious about how parcells compares to them.
    And you also can’t keep throwing the miami argument against him – johnny untis was cut by the steelers before he became a superstar – sometimes a situation is just not the right match.
    Just my opinion

    ————————
    @jg725

    I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that he was picking the groceries in NE and then Kraft did not let him? Is this a fact or opinion. I do know he left because of that. Don’t know at which point the power was taken away.

    BTW, Jones most definitely had (has always) the final say in the personell decisions in Dallas. You can’t give Parcells the credit there.

    I think you said earlier that how can ANY coach is in HOF if Parcells is not in there.

    There are several HOF coaches far better than Parcells: Lombardi, Halas, Walsh, Landry, Noll.

  86. yatista says: Jan 7, 2012 6:26 PM

    “…other notables”? If you are on the list you are notable by definition, no more, no less than any others. Give them all the credit they are due.

  87. slickster35 says: Jan 7, 2012 6:27 PM

    Will Shields was one of, if not the best guard to ever play the game. The immovable object. Totally deserving of first ballot induction, and would be a crime if he isn’t. Actually it was a crime that Wille Roaf wasn’t either. Make this right, selection commitee.

  88. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 6:42 PM

    profootballwalk

    Here are some stats because you clearly don’t understand how research works.

    ’93: #2 rusher behind Emmit Smith
    ’94: #10
    ’95: Basically a fullback so had like 600 yards rushing
    ’96: #3 Rusher
    ’97: #3 Rusher
    ’98: #13
    ’99: #17…Stephen Davis led the league (must be a HOFer)
    2000: #11
    2001: #3 leading rusher and he only played 11 games

    From then on, he was the second running back for the Steelers. He never started more than 11 games after 2000, and was over shadowed by Staley and Willie Parker in his last years.

    He was a top 3 NFL rusher 4 out of 8 years as a full-time starter (Remember: he wasn’t a starter in 1995).

    By contrast, LaDanian Tomlinson has only been in the top 3 in NFL rushing 3 times.

    Yup sure sounds like Bettis was second rate…

  89. jtwp61 says: Jan 7, 2012 7:32 PM

    If Michael Irvin can get in, Carter has to be in.

  90. jg725 says: Jan 7, 2012 7:45 PM

    @bobhk -

    I see your point – fair argument as far as head coaches – and i will even add in don shula – and count longevity with 1 team as an important credential that parcells lacks – but – landry won 2 sb, walsh won 3, chuck noll won 4 – and parcells won 2 – i think he is at least in the conversation of the best head coaches of all time – would you agree with that?

  91. mdp3646 says: Jan 7, 2012 7:50 PM

    any one not thinking Bettis deserves HOF obviously has never watched him play Man was a beast

  92. billb09 says: Jan 7, 2012 8:07 PM

    Where is Phil Simms? He belongs in the HOF!

  93. fuzzebear says: Jan 7, 2012 8:07 PM

    I can’t believe people care about the Hall Of Fame. We can’t be bothered with paying homage to forefathers.

    Especially with their long, boring, dragged out and prboably drugged out speeches about growing up poor and unloved.

    It’s played out. If you hate the Pro Bowl then I can’t see you enjoying the Hall Of Fame (Ceremony or game)

    Is this Troll serious?

    Carter
    Dawson
    Martin
    Brown
    Roaf

  94. slowclyde86 says: Jan 7, 2012 8:27 PM

    Bettis? Don’t think so. Hall of Very Good perhaps.

    Roaf and Shields for sure. Crime if not this year.

    Carter and Martin could go either way. An that’s about it.

    And ravens fan, how on this earth could Model get in? should not even be allowed in the door to the hall if he bought a ticket. 30 years of complete ineptitude in Cleveland. Rips a cities heart out that still lived and died for his crappy product. The only argument is for his role with the tv committee that a chimpanzee could have seen coming. The man is a joke.

  95. bobhk says: Jan 7, 2012 9:02 PM

    @jg725

    we can agree to disagree. A truly great coach does not need 3 tries to get in hof (if he gets in this time).

    Of course you may not use hof as a yardstick of coaching greatness.

    As you said he may be in that conversation…

  96. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 9:58 PM

    rabidbillsfan

    Learn how to read, genius.

    I said in his last 2 seasons, the Steelers used him to run out the clock.

    Teams employed 8 and 9 man fronts and were not able to stop him.

    That was during his last 2 seasons, when they basically only used him in the 4th quarter.

    Go back and watch the game film. When they had a lead they brought in Bettis and he routinely got a first down after 2 carries. Sometimes it would take 3 carries. Either way, they would eat up 9 minutes 14 plays.

    Or they would use him in goal line situations.

    Stay as ignorant as you want, he only had 8 seasons where he was the full time starter and he finished 5th all-time when he retired.

    And keep complaining about the officiating in that game, please. Dexter Jackson pushed off–that was full extension of the arm. And Clark Haggans was held on that one play in which the officials actually decided to call holding, despite the fact that he was being held the entire game.

    The only bad call (aside from the missed holding calls) was the unsportsmanlike on Hasselbeck for going low on Ike Taylor.

    Other than that, every call was text book. And Pitt won by 2 scores. It was hardly a close enough game for the officiating to be a significant factor, and this is coming from someone who has researched and written about corruption in the NFL.

    Officials have engaged in point shaving in the NFL. There are at least 70 known games. (Look it up: Dan Moldea found basically the same information as I did. You could go to the Library of Congress and see for yourself as well.) Anyway, it rarely affects the outcome of the game unless the final score is within 7.

    The reason why the Seahawks lost is because they were an inferior team, as is evident by the fact that they haven’t won more than 8 or 9 games since. They got in the SB because the NFC was awful.

  97. johntonioholmes says: Jan 7, 2012 10:16 PM

    rabidbillsfan

    And one more thing: Bettis’s oline was stellar? He had Dawson for a few years (not in the Hall, though he should be) and then after that he had Faneca. Hartings was good, not great.

    But then Oliver Ross was the most dominant RT to play the game (not).

    Dawson and Faneca were the only stellar lineman that Bettis played with. Marvel Smith was solid

    After Bettis left, Willie Parker basically averaged 2 yards a carry until he broke a long run behind the same o-line.

    And there are no good running backs without a good o-line (with the exception of Barry Sanders, who was good no matter what). Emmit Smith had the best o-line ever assembled, yet no one is saying that he shouldn’t be in the hall because the players around him were too good.

    I’m not saying Bettis should make it in this year. He should make it in though. And by arguing that he’s “not good” you’re proving that you’ve never even watched him play.

  98. wtfchiefs says: Jan 8, 2012 3:07 AM

    Will Shields was the man! Nice to see him on the ballot, one of my faves.

  99. thedarksky1 says: Jan 8, 2012 12:11 PM

    No Ray Guy-No respect

    Bum Philips

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!