Bum Philips

And one more thing: Bettis’s oline was stellar? He had Dawson for a few years (not in the Hall, though he should be) and then after that he had Faneca. Hartings was good, not great.

But then Oliver Ross was the most dominant RT to play the game (not).

Dawson and Faneca were the only stellar lineman that Bettis played with. Marvel Smith was solid

After Bettis left, Willie Parker basically averaged 2 yards a carry until he broke a long run behind the same o-line.

And there are no good running backs without a good o-line (with the exception of Barry Sanders, who was good no matter what). Emmit Smith had the best o-line ever assembled, yet no one is saying that he shouldn’t be in the hall because the players around him were too good.

I’m not saying Bettis should make it in this year. He should make it in though. And by arguing that he’s “not good” you’re proving that you’ve never even watched him play.

Learn how to read, genius.

I said in his last 2 seasons, the Steelers used him to run out the clock.

Teams employed 8 and 9 man fronts and were not able to stop him.

That was during his last 2 seasons, when they basically only used him in the 4th quarter.

Go back and watch the game film. When they had a lead they brought in Bettis and he routinely got a first down after 2 carries. Sometimes it would take 3 carries. Either way, they would eat up 9 minutes 14 plays.

Or they would use him in goal line situations.

Stay as ignorant as you want, he only had 8 seasons where he was the full time starter and he finished 5th all-time when he retired.

And keep complaining about the officiating in that game, please. Dexter Jackson pushed off–that was full extension of the arm. And Clark Haggans was held on that one play in which the officials actually decided to call holding, despite the fact that he was being held the entire game.

The only bad call (aside from the missed holding calls) was the unsportsmanlike on Hasselbeck for going low on Ike Taylor.

Other than that, every call was text book. And Pitt won by 2 scores. It was hardly a close enough game for the officiating to be a significant factor, and this is coming from someone who has researched and written about corruption in the NFL.

Officials have engaged in point shaving in the NFL. There are at least 70 known games. (Look it up: Dan Moldea found basically the same information as I did. You could go to the Library of Congress and see for yourself as well.) Anyway, it rarely affects the outcome of the game unless the final score is within 7.

The reason why the Seahawks lost is because they were an inferior team, as is evident by the fact that they haven’t won more than 8 or 9 games since. They got in the SB because the NFC was awful.

we can agree to disagree. A truly great coach does not need 3 tries to get in hof (if he gets in this time).

Of course you may not use hof as a yardstick of coaching greatness.

As you said he may be in that conversation…

Roaf and Shields for sure. Crime if not this year.

Carter and Martin could go either way. An that’s about it.

And ravens fan, how on this earth could Model get in? should not even be allowed in the door to the hall if he bought a ticket. 30 years of complete ineptitude in Cleveland. Rips a cities heart out that still lived and died for his crappy product. The only argument is for his role with the tv committee that a chimpanzee could have seen coming. The man is a joke.

Especially with their long, boring, dragged out and prboably drugged out speeches about growing up poor and unloved.

It’s played out. If you hate the Pro Bowl then I can’t see you enjoying the Hall Of Fame (Ceremony or game)

Is this Troll serious?

Carter
Dawson
Martin
Brown
Roaf

I see your point – fair argument as far as head coaches – and i will even add in don shula – and count longevity with 1 team as an important credential that parcells lacks – but – landry won 2 sb, walsh won 3, chuck noll won 4 – and parcells won 2 – i think he is at least in the conversation of the best head coaches of all time – would you agree with that?

Here are some stats because you clearly don’t understand how research works.

’93: #2 rusher behind Emmit Smith
’94: #10
’95: Basically a fullback so had like 600 yards rushing
’96: #3 Rusher
’97: #3 Rusher
’98: #13
’99: #17…Stephen Davis led the league (must be a HOFer)
2000: #11
2001: #3 leading rusher and he only played 11 games

From then on, he was the second running back for the Steelers. He never started more than 11 games after 2000, and was over shadowed by Staley and Willie Parker in his last years.

He was a top 3 NFL rusher 4 out of 8 years as a full-time starter (Remember: he wasn’t a starter in 1995).

By contrast, LaDanian Tomlinson has only been in the top 3 in NFL rushing 3 times.

Yup sure sounds like Bettis was second rate…

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@jg725

I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that he was picking the groceries in NE and then Kraft did not let him? Is this a fact or opinion. I do know he left because of that. Don’t know at which point the power was taken away.

BTW, Jones most definitely had (has always) the final say in the personell decisions in Dallas. You can’t give Parcells the credit there.

I think you said earlier that how can ANY coach is in HOF if Parcells is not in there.

There are several HOF coaches far better than Parcells: Lombardi, Halas, Walsh, Landry, Noll.

How could he have 15 second class years and finish as the #5 all-time leading rusher until someone passes him after he’s retired?

Also, he played 13 years (not 15, but clearly you lack the capacity to do 5 seconds worth of research).

He AP Rookie of the Year (which means he was the best at SOMETHING).

He was comeback player of the year once, because he lost an entire season when the Rams became a pass-first offense and moved him to fullback.

He was leading the league in rushing in 2001 before a groin injury effectively ended his season.

Now he’s the 6th all-time leading rusher in the NFL, despite the amount of game-time that he missed.

He was consistently good enough to retire as a top 5 rusher.

Take off the blinders you clueless homer.

By your logic, Bettis should have a career YPC of over 6 yards if he was averaging 5 against 8 man fronts. Whats funny, is that he has a carrer average of under 4.0 yards per carry, which would insult players like Gale Sayers, Marshal Faulk, and ‘Sweetness’. He didn’t break records, never won MVP or any other award for that matter, and didn’t change the game one bit. He played behind a stellar O-Line all of his career, and in the twilight of it, Rothlisberger threw his Fat A** on his back and carried him to a horribly officiated super-bowl win, where he accomplished nothing.

profootballwalk

By your rationale, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis are HOFers.

Leading the league in rushing once means nothing. It’s all about being consistent.
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I didn’t say anything about leading the league ONLY once. Bettis never lead the league EVER. He wasn’t the best RB of his era, he wasn’t the second best, and he wasn’t third best. Consistently being fifth-tenth best should not get you in the HOF beause you had a long career. Consistent excellence goes to the HOF, not consistent second class play. And fifteen second class years doesn’t make a first class player.

By your rationale, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis are HOFers.

Leading the league in rushing once means nothing. It’s all about being consistent.

Bettis was injury plagued in his last few seasons, yet teams still could not stop him when Pittsburgh used him to run out the clock at the end of games.

They’d put 8 and 9 guys in the box and Bettis would average 5 yards per carry against that goal line defense. then there was no chance that the opposing offense would get the ball back.

Curtis Martin should get in first, but Bettis should follow.

Plus it’s about time that Carter got in. Potentially the softest hands to ever play the game, a ton of receptions with some average to awful QBs.

I mean, come on; Rice at least had Montana and Young. Carter had Cunningham.

“I don’t get how Art Modell isn’t in the HOF. It is a crime that a man so deserving isn’t in the Hall yet and they probably won’t vote him into the Hall until after he has passed on.”

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Well…here’s your answer: He’s not worthy. It’s pretty simple, really. And I wouldn’t expect any posthumous honors either, if I were you.

And, if you are truly a “ravensfan4life,” wouldn’t that make you about 15 years old?

That’s because you never watched him, you tool.

On his last legs in 2005 he ran for 100 yards against the NFL’s second ranked defense–the Bears

In 2004 and 2005, the Steelers used him at the end of games to run out the clock. Teams like Baltimore and New England (when they used to have a good D) would line up in a goal line defense, and Bettis would just run right through them.

Hands down, the best power back of his era.

With that being said, I think Curtis Martin should probably make it in before him. Martin was probably the most consistent running back I’ve ever seen.

But to say Bettis never dominated a game is to admit that you’ve never watched him play.

That has to be the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. It’s a shame the only 3 that you see as “Non-Bust” have 5 combined superbowls and 6 superbowl appearances, and right now boast a 35-13 record on some of the most dangerous teams in the playoffs. Nice try though. Also, since his Dallas departure, they are a solid 47-33, with 2 double digit winning seasons in the first 3 of his departure. Not bad either.
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@rabidbillsfan

if you don’t understand it get a clue. He’s had a rapid decent in the results he got. That’s called a steep decline.
One thing you need to understand: one of the main reason’s for leaving NE was he wasn’t allowed to pick the groceries. So, you can’t even give him credit for the NE talent.

Regarding Dallas, you prove my point exactly: Dallas has been a lot better since he left. He did not pick the players (Jones did). Then he went on his destructive tour of Miami. If not for “Wide Right” he’d be 1-2 in superbowls.

Just the very fact that he was a finalist in 2001 and 2002 and did not make it should give you a clue that many people don’t regard him very highly. After 2002 the results have not exactly added positively.
Truly great coaches like Landry and Walsh made it in the first year of eligibility.

If you don’t understand or don’t have a sense of history get a clue.

2. Andre Reed-Record breaking marquee receiver on 4 straight SuperBowl teams. Should have won at least 2 of them. If only Thurman Thomas had shown up from hiding in them (or found his helmet). I’m shocked he is not already in the HOF!

3. Willie Roaf- Perennial All Pro. And one of the 2-3 best offensinve tackles to ever play the game.

4. Charles Haley- “Mr Mean” was the best DE I ever saw except for Richard Dent and Willie Davis. He was a game shaper in San Fran and Dallas. Major SuperBowl pedigree.

5. Tim Brown- This was a toss up IMO between Brown and Curtis Martin. Tim was a marquee player for a long time on Raider teams that mattered. And he was a major catalyst. That’s why he gets the slight nod.

Can we lose the “Jim Plunkett is being mistreated” garbage. Let’s look at Plunkett’s career. All Pro teams: Zero. Pro Bowl teams: Zero. Career record: .500. Number of winning seasons: four. TDs versus INTs: way more INTs than TDs. Seasons he lead the league in passing: Zero ( he was top five once). The dude is something like 15,000 yards behind Drew Bledsoe in career passing yardage and nobody is screaming for Bledsoe to be put in Canton.

Jim Plunkett isn’t in the Hall of Fame because he didn’t have a Hall of Fame worthy CAREER! The next thing you’re going to tell us is that Tom Flores should be in the Hall.