Report: Dolphins feel Fisher “used” them

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Now that Jeff Fisher has picked his next team, the loser can begin to chew on sour grapes.

The first volley comes from Mike Freeman of CBS, who reports based on an unnamed Dolphins source that “Jeff Fisher used us.”

Ya think?

It was a classic leverage game, with Fisher manipulating once side against the other in order to get the best deal possible.  Even Adam Schefter of ESPN, who insisted (presumably on Fisher’s behalf) that leverage wasn’t being exerted, couldn’t ultimately deny that it was a leverage game.

Indeed it was.  It’s now too late for the Dolphins to cry about it.  Desperate to legitimize the ownership of the team by Stephen Ross, the Dolphins did whatever they had to do to land Jeff Fisher.  They had to know there was a significant risk that Fisher was using their zeal in order to get the best terms possible out of Rams owner Stan Kroenke.

Kroenke took the same risk.  And Kroenke won.  Regardless, the loser only looks like more of a loser by whining about an outcome that the loser knew was entirely possible.

152 responses to “Report: Dolphins feel Fisher “used” them

  1. I agree, as a Dolphin Fan just move on!

    I still have no clue why Brian Billick is not an their list…?

  2. The Dolphins will be better off for it in the long run. The Dolphins need a young, hungry, innovative coach and not a 20 year vet with a .500 winning percentage who was just fired. GO DOLPHINS.

  3. Assumng the tone and context of this article are correct, presumably Fisher did the same thing that Stephen Ross and every other sensible business person does – see who makes the best offer before accepting. Non story.

  4. Just like Bill Parcells used the Falcons/Dolphins to leverage a better deal out of the Dolphins. It’s all a business GET OVER IT.

  5. “Regardless, the loser only looks like more of a loser by whining about an outcome that the loser knew was entirely possible.”

    By citing an unknown Dolphins’ source? LOL.

  6. There’s never been a great coach in the history of the NFL who wears a mustache. Period. That in itself shows terrible judgment and the Fins are better off without him.

  7. Another childlike response from a completely inept, dysfunctional and classless ownership group. Any real businessman understood Miami was wisely being used for leverage, and they still played along. Congrats Rams Fans! I think this is a great fit for you!

  8. When you come out admit you won’t be out bid, you’ve used yourself.

    The irony is, Ross dodged a bullet here, despite himself. Hire a bright, young offensive mind with the chops to be a head coach and build your identity with him.

    Problem is, I don’t think Ross & Ireland could make the right choice if their life depended on it.

  9. Note to dolpfans… Of which I am one, If you didn’t see this outcome two weeks ago, you need to take the blinders off. Miami is the ultimate negotiation chip, Everyone seems to think the area/weather/taxes are this huge appeal they can throw out to perspective players/coaches. Doesn’t hide the teams warts, and they start at the top.

    At least they didn’t finish last in the division right?

  10. yeah right

    just like they “used” Sparano last year

    the Fins organization is a joke. they went behind Coach Sunglasses back last year and it blew up in their face.

    now it happens to them and they whine like babies

    grow up Ross and act like a big boy – no wonder Fisher told you to take a hike. have some dignity please.

  11. Now the fins can drench the Kleenex and move onto to a coach who isn’t mediocre. Dodge a bullet on that one!

  12. At least this time around, Ross has no HC he has to come back and smooth things over with and give an extension to.

    But gee, why would big name coaches fear coaching this team?

    Until Ross clears up their muddled and fault FO “structure”, Miami will repel any established names.

  13. Best thing that could have happened to the Dolphins.

    Instead of a mediocre retread who costs 7 million dollars a year, you can hire a hungry assistant like Zimmer or Chud for a quarter of that money and probably get better results.

    Prediction: Rams will get that New Coach/Dimished Expectations/Last Place Schedule bump next year (9-10 wins) and then settle into the same never ending pattern of mediocrity that the good people of Houston and Tennessee endured for 17 long years.

  14. This exhaustive search for a “big name coach” is ridiculous imho. We already have a head coach by the name of Todd Bowles on the team, and his winning percentage is .667 so why not give him a chance to become the next big name?

    The Dolphins have been turned down by the current coach of the 49ers and the future coach of the Rams, so obviously, there are some issues with owner/GM, etc. Keep the continuity of the team going with our current staff. A few smart draft picks and we will be a contender. Matt Moore did a really good job the last 9 games of the season. No need to fix what ain’t broken, just make a few smart additions(and a few select subtractions) and we will have a playoff-bound team in our Fins.

  15. Three words describe jeffs decision to join the rams.. “I DON’T CARE” -___- he is “o.k” n that’s all…we could get the same success if morono stayed around for a decade..good,but not good enough?

  16. Yessssssss!!!! Now we can see mediocrity in action in St Louis. What a joke with all the drama over this proven averge coach. Now the Fins can hopefully stop crying over this and go hire a young up and coming coach!

  17. Ross simply scares potential coaches away with his groping. He lacks football knowledge, isn’t a very good negotiator and is way to over-eager to hire golden boys. He behaves like every other multimillionaire on his third or fourth wife that marries for money only.

    The Dolphins actually started playing for their jobs at the end of the season. He should get Hue Jackson, a guy who can do the job, with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove.

    Hire Hue Jackson!

  18. Dolphins need to realize that ..because of Ross & Ireland, that noone wnats to coach there. They are pretty serious clown without a clue.

    Right about now…Tony Sparano looks…Real good.

  19. Stephen Ross has so much damn money. Why doesn’t he just make Bill Cowher an offer he CAN’T refuse?

  20. Did Fisher use the Dolphins or did the Dolphins allow themselves to be used?
    You have a billion dollar owner who should be acclimated with high stakes negotiations. If he could not control a contract negotiation with a career .500 coach that is his fault…..It is a sad day to be a Fins fan.

  21. Funny, I don’t feel like a loser! I’m not trashing Jeff Fisher but, so what? Get Chudzinski an interview and move on.

    Honestly, who cares about perceptions? Perceptions don’t equate to wins and losses.

  22. Bad things happen to bad organisations. The Dolphins are endanger of becoming a laughing stock. They could be the next Raiders.

  23. Urban legend has it, that it’s common for dolphins to help the fisher by pushing fish close to the shore.

    Might be more truth than legend in this case.

  24. Announcement to all players and coaches: The moments you have leverage over an organization are few and precious. Take advantage of them.

    Business relationships die once one party doesn’t need the other.

    Players that believe in organization loyalty will ultimately be exploited.

    So sad but so true.

  25. So what? That’s life, get over it dolphins lol. He picked the team in the easier division bc the dolphins will never beat the patriots as long as Brady is there.

  26. See there are some who aren’t lured by no state tax and South Beach…

    then again maybe he was turned off by the celeb owners, hurricanes, snakes and the god awful heat…

  27. As a longtime dolphins fan, I’ve seen a lot of losing in the last few years. This is by far the best loss they have had. Fischer doesn’t help this team. Why hire mediocrity when that’s all I’ve seen in a decade? Enjoy 7-9 forever rams.

  28. Go get Brian Billick for God’s sake. Billick’s career win percentage is better than Fisher’s, and he left Baltimore in far better shape than Fisher left Tennessee. For whatever reason, though, Billick appears to have been informally blacklisted. I honestly don’t get it…

  29. “Dolphins feel used”

    Thats what everybody on Earth who is not name Stephen Ross have been saying for over a week now!

    As a Dolphin Fan why do Stephen Ross and the Miami Dolphins always have to be the laughing stock of the NFL?

  30. Ross really needs to get some counseling on owning a franchise. He targets Fisher and waits for his decision before seriously moving on other coaches. The Dolphins run a 3-4 defense and Fisher likes and would want to run the 4-3. Moreover the Dolphins have opened up the offense with OC Daboll with some success. Fisher is an old school ground and pound Coach. This was not a fit from the start and the naive Ross and his consultant should have been able to figure that out. No one used the Dolphins, they were just so desperate to hire the ever leveraging Fisher.

  31. Hire Philbin as head coach and bring Carroll back as defensive coordinator and you’ll win another Super Bowl way before the Rams.

  32. This outcome was obvious from the beginning. I am a Dolphins fan, I live in Miami, and it was apparent to everyone I know here this would happen. I am hesitant to criticize Stephen Ross heavily because he is willing to spend money, but he is undoubtedly incompetent as an NFL team owner. They could have had some other good coach in place by now. Someone like Rob Chudzinski who, considering he got something good out of Derek Anderson and had Cam Newton breaking records seemingly every week, seems to be a great influence on QBs and that is the Dolphins’ biggest area of need.

  33. ok, Miami, you lost the Fisher battle, so just go after Mike Zimmer, that’s not a bad hire in my book, i think he was a better canadiate than Sparano years ago and still think that.

  34. Why is it, whenever a team gets screwed it’s unfair and things should be different but, when a player gets screwed it’s just business……..

  35. The Dolphins need someone that can work a deal. They are becoming an embarrassment in the off season now, as well as during football season.

  36. Miami has the better roster. Better defense, better running backs, better wr’s. They just need a QB, Fisher could have drafted his own. I feel sorry for Dolphins fans. They were counting on this.

  37. As a Bills fan…. I hate to say this, but in my opinion… the Dolphins WON! I think the Rams wil lregret this hire.

    I was hoping the Dolphons would get Fisher because he is beyond mediocre….

    Dont worry Phin Fans…. you’re team is better off because of Fisher joining the Rams… no doubt about it.

    Now if you could just get rid of Ireland, you will be on the right path for sure!

  38. I dont understand why they haven’t tried to hire Brian Billick. He was the guy who led the Ravens to prominence and now there’s only talk of him being a coordinator for the Falcons. What’d did he do?

    Miami suck it up it’s not like you haven’t been hiring unknowns for years. Bring in Marty or Billick if you want someone who is established… otherwise take a chance on a young coach and get over it!

  39. Dolphins are a laughingstock, but this situation is ironic. I’m the leader of the “Can’t Stand The Site Of That Creep Ireland” Club, but in this case, that weasel was valuable despite himself.

    Ross had to know that if Ireland was in place, there’s no way Fisher was coming. Every fan on earth knew that, how could he not know it????

    It worked out for the best and I’m oddly conflicted about that…….

  40. Ross is a buffoon.

    Of course Fisher used him, and so did Harbaugh. The whole world will know that you have grown a brain when you hire a solid GM and let that person build out the FO and coaching staff.

    Ross just doesn’t get it, idiot.

  41. Why is it people get upset when a potential employee uses another potential employer as leverage. Turnabout is fair play….gee..employers NEVER use their employees or potential employees! Gosh!

  42. Mike, you are ommitting some things that Shefter tweeted.
    AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
    One source said Weds it was “80-20″Jeff Fisher would choose Miami over St. Louis. Dolphins; but Fisher could not agree on structure of orgn.
    Or Mike Silver
    MikeSilver Michael Silver
    Fisher was willing to meet halfway on personnel control, but Ross wouldn’t budge. He’s an Ireland man. And now Fisher is headed for The Lou.

    Let Fisher go to the Rams. I have been a fan of the Phins since their first year, 1966. I was, and still am hoping that they hire an offensive mind like Philbin, and keep Nolan as DC. with 6 playoff years out of 17, no WAY he is worth 7 mil.

  43. The Dolphins just want the buz of a big hire so why not take a chance and hire Chip Kelly. I don’t think anything they could do would generate a bigger buzz than Chip Kelly bringing his fast break offense to the NFL.

    I’m not saying the offense will work in the NFL, I don’t know one way or the other if it will or not. Teams have used no huddle offenses in the past and had great success so it is certainly possible to win with that type of offense.

  44. Ross learned a lesson who probably forgot. Showing how badly you want something leaves you vunerable.

    Ross also used Fisher to show the fans he is serious about winning.

  45. djdvd says: Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM

    As a longtime dolphins fan, I’ve seen a lot of losing in the last few years. This is by far the best loss they have had. Fischer doesn’t help this team. Why hire mediocrity when that’s all I’ve seen in a decade? Enjoy 7-9 forever rams.

    saying the rams will be 7-9 is way too generous on your part. that team is awful. i see more like 4-12, 3-13

  46. reports said the dolphins were willing to give fisher $8M a year and executive vice president tag. if they were gonna do that for fisher why not try to give cowher or gruden like $10M and executive VP tag too. obviously money is not an issue for ross, he was trying to make harbaugh one of the highest paid guys last year without any HS experience in the NFL.

  47. I hear Ross is interviewing Mitt “fits like a glove” Romney who, if hired, has vowed to fire some people.

  48. What a bunch of babies!!!!!!!!

    “Jeff Fisher used us!!!! Wah!!!!”
    😦 😦 😦

    If you want him, don’t have an obnoxious owner like Ross or a mediocre football guy like Peterson!!!!!
    Peterson + Ross = Double Trouble!!!!

  49. ROSS, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!! Nobody wants to work under Ireland! He’s aweful at acquiring talent & he can’t be trusted.
    Just sell the team and do all Dolphin fans a favor.

  50. I feel bad for Dolphins fans, but I don’t feel the least bit bad for Stephen Ross or the Miami Dolphins franchise. This is Karma coming back for the lack of professionalism he showed Tony Sparano last year – keeping him as the head coach in name only while they pursued Jim Harbaugh. Bad coach or not, Sparano deserved better, and so do the fans.

  51. By the way, Mike Freeman needs to get a life!!!!!

    Do you know how easy it is to get one source and make something out of nothing!!!!

    He stinks as much as Ross and Peterson both do!!! 🙂 🙂

  52. Whatever happened, happened. Whatever happened 3 seconds ago is over. We will never know exactly what occured here but it doesn’t matter. It’s over. It was not meant to be that Fish come to the Fish, plain and simple. I as many other Fin Fans are very happy that he decided to go elswhere. I feel we’ll be better off without him. Lets go get us a HC and Go Fins.

  53. He is a good coach and I’m glad he finally made a decision. Congrats to the Rams.

    Now, hopefully the dolphins can give Billick a call. They may end up going with Bowles but I’d like to think they would at least kick the tires on Billick.

    To those wanting Philbin…why? I am not saying he is not decent but I think that Toub (bears) would be a better hire since special teams coaches are used to dealing with young players on both sides of the ball. McCarthy calls the plays most of the time and the Flynn hype may just be hype. He has less game experience than Kolb.

    My top three for the dolphins would be Billick (experience/take charge personality), Bowles (stability/player familiarity) or Toub (quality coach that could help in all three phases) All three of these guys are deserving and have something to prove. Hopefully they keep Nolan as DC.

    As for the premise of this story: An unnamed source could be a very low-level employee but the article infers it was a decision maker.

  54. I agree with westcoastdolphinfan, they already have their coach and don’t know it. Hopefully they won’t figure it out any time soon, and the Raiders can get him.

  55. As a Dolphin fan, I’m glad we didn’t get Fisher. Demanding that kind of money for an average coach was too much. The Dolphins did get used, but the Rams got played.

  56. Funny how some of you keep bringing up the Sparano and the Harbough courtship.
    How right Ross was going for him, look how the 49ners turned out this year, with Alex Smith at QB. NEXT…so Sparano just did to Shotty at The Jets what was done do him, but that is ok,right? Funny how he was hired before,Shotty signed the goodbye letter….!
    Now lets move on and get us a youngry coach!
    Ps…Gonna go get me a DAMN SNACK!…

  57. So, Miami would have hired Fisher had Fisher agreed to terms. And from the start Fisher was their first candidate.

    So, Miami, who was the minority candidate YOU USED to satisfy the Rooney Rule?

  58. 😦 As a Bengals fan this is disappointing as it means there’s a real strong chance that we’ll lose Zimmer 😦

    That said, he totally deserves the chance.

    -QG

  59. Don’t forget, Mike Martz is available too. Would certainly make next season’s Rams/Dolphins game more interesting…

  60. The Dolphins just won. The Rams are paying for a retread coach who has won nothing and with the star qb injury prone Fisher will blame injuries and sit back and collect his money.

  61. “There’s never been a great coach in the history of the NFL who wears a mustache. Period. ”
    _________________

    Mike Ditka?

  62. irishjugalo says:
    Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM
    There’s never been a great coach in the history of the NFL who wears a mustache. Period. That in itself shows terrible judgment and the Fins are better off without him.
    ___________

    Brad Childress?

  63. I never thought I’d wish for the day that Farve was still around so this idiot would go back to obsessing about something else besides who did or did not have ‘leverage’ in a negotiation. This is ridiculous. MOVE ON.

  64. I think the majority of people out there believe it was leverage, but I’m curious why it hasn’t been mentioned that it wasn’t only Schefter out there that was reporting this. I tried posting it in the other thread yesterday, but it got deleted twice. Mike Silver, in his Yahoo Sports column, from this Tebow article on 1/9, argued the same exact thing – that it wasn’t leverage (and that specific contracts hadn’t been exchanged).

    Just find it interesting that everything is directed towards Schefter when others reported similarly.

    My hunch? It was leverage and it wasn’t. I have a hard time believing that Schefter and Silver would so stringently report on things with the way they worded it unless they received something specific. My guess is that Fisher took offers from both sides, and debated which situation was better. If at the same time, either party decided to upgrade their offer prior to Fisher making a request, then it leaves Fisher the out of saying that he didn’t try to leverage anything, but offers were improved. It’s leverage in the sense that one side could feel threatened and make a move to try and improve things, but it does leave Fisher that out. It’s also possible that no specific contracts were swapped, but rather general parameters were discussed on what it would take to accomplish things.

    It’s a good decision for Fisher. If he buys Bradford, there’s some key young pieces in place, particularly with the two pass rushing ends. A good draft, and a good OC/QB coach, and they could improve awfully quick.

  65. So, Miami would have hired Fisher had Fisher agreed to terms. And from the start Fisher was their first candidate.

    So, Miami, who was the minority candidate YOU USED to satisfy the Rooney Rule?

    ____________________________________

    really?? how about the guy who finished the seanson as the interim HC, Todd Bowles. i think he was their first interview.

  66. irishjugalo says:
    Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM
    There’s never been a great coach in the history of the NFL who wears a mustache. Period. That in itself shows terrible judgment and the Fins are better off without him.
    ___________

    Ditka, Holmgren, or Cowher?

  67. Who the hell would want to coach in Miami as long as the franchise killer Carl Peterson is there. Until Ross boots that idiot out of the organization he’s gonna have a hard time getting anybody to work with King Carl.

  68. The Phins could have pulled out of the chase the minute they thought they were being used.
    Don’t whine after the fact, just makes you look clueless

  69. Billick’s track record says he should be up for all these jobs. I’m no insider, but from what I’ve read, he doesn’t get interviewed because a lot of people think he’s an arrogant jerk.

  70. Is this a joke? This is standard business procedure. Negotiate for the best deal. Fisher did what every business person is taught to do straight out of school. Miami can quit crying.

  71. maybe the phins will get a little kick back from fisher since they helped him get a better deal? Maybe now they only have to give up 2 2nds to move up to number 2 to get RGIII

  72. It’s called NEGOTIATING. Surely a 1% er would know all about leverage and business. What a whiner.

  73. should have1,dumped ireland,and 2,not done the exact samething to sporano with jim harbaugh last year! karma will come back and bite you really quick when it’s hungry for pay back!

  74. How is this different than an average person going to a few job interviews, getting offers of, say, $45,000 and $50,000, and telling the one company “If you want me you have to beat $50,000”?

  75. Fisher…WTF? I assume you’ve been to St. Louis and Miami in December? Heck, I assume you’ve been to St.Louis and Miami during anytime at all – and you pick St. Louis? Fishing, bikinis, beaches, pools, night life, golf, mansions, no taxes, versus the Gateway Arch, which is only great because it sort of gets you out of St. Louis. All I’d need is one look at the Dolphins’ cheerleaders and I’d take the job for $100, which isn’t much, but it’s all I can afford.

  76. If Robert Kraft was a friend of Ross he would take him in a room and beat the crap out of him, why? because he is an embarrassment to other owners, there is a reason that old school money don’t invite you in just because you have money, all I need to know is who he hangs out with, guys like Bill Koch, and there buddy pink slips Romney. Bill p.s. we are really judge by the company we keep.

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