Comments on: League explains Leavy’s replay ruling

By: vikingfaninpa

vikingfaninpa — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:04:29 +0000

Replay tells a different story. Doesn’t address the change in original ruling ? Doesn’t address the other bad calls / non calls. It’s obvious the fix was in. The fact that the league is attempting to defend this proves their support of those actions. If they were concerned with their integrity, they would make fire that crew and boast about it. It’s been going on for years and there is no one to police them. Follow the money: network ratings ? Vegas ?

By: tgpaul

tgpaul — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:11:02 +0000

Please explain to me how your calf can be on the ground but your knee isn’t barring your lower leg being snapped in half. As far as I can tell, the calf and knee are connected and if the calf is touching the ground the knee also will touch the ground. Try this… take a metal bar and have the middle of the metal bar touch the ground without the top touching the ground.

By: joseph1463

joseph1463 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:11:02 +0000

Bill Leavey is a disgrace. The NFL needs to get rid of these old men, paid very well for part time work. For the money they pay the officals they could hire full time officals, to get training, stay in shape. Leavey is incompetent, what a mess. The Giants were lucky not to be effected by this dismal officating crew.

By: sojumaster

sojumaster — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:34:58 +0000

I need to start putting bugs on the ref’s phones. That way I know who to put my money on.

By: dannyreneau

dannyreneau — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:33:43 +0000

Being from Seattle Leavy’s officiating doesn’t surprise me in the least

@paul82461

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By: sb139422

sb139422 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:24:26 +0000

since the ruling on the field was that hes down by contact, by rule the ref has to see conclusive evidence that the ball was before his lower calf hit the ground. there is no angle of the replay that shows the ball out and also that his calf didnt hit the floor yet therefore it actually was a good call by rule. hate it if you want but leavy went by the book

By: equtrader

equtrader — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:06:20 +0000

Leavy should be bunking with Art Schlichter soon!

By: waxedagain

waxedagain — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:26:26 +0000

Most fans don’t understand that the ref under the hood does not have a slow motion replay feed. The officials are fed normal speed replays. I don’t understand why, but perhaps the NFL is trying to be fair to officials who view the original play at normal speed. Still, they probably can stop/rewind the film at critical points to get a better view.

By: bigjdve

bigjdve — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:18:47 +0000

Something that I learned when I was training to be a softball umpire really hits home here.

If you explain something at the time or before someone asks it is a reason, if you do so after you are asked it is an excuse.

If he had just given his reasoning then, which I have seen some refs in the NFL do on close plays, it wouldn’t be this bad. It wouldn’t change the call or the BS helmet hit call on Osi, however it is what the NFL is right now.

By: aljack88

aljack88 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:16:44 +0000

Angry Orange Man says:
Jan 16, 2012 8:37 PM
I am proud of my team and Tom Coughlin for not bursting a blood vessel after these calls.
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I have a lot of respect for Coughlin. Not very many HCs could handle being under so much scrutiny for so long by the nation’s largest city’s media circus. After 3 weeks of the 2007 season, the city papers and the majority of their fans were calling for his head to roll. Tom just kept his teflon coat on and took the Giants to the SB crown.
And again this year, they had been just about written off and yet they hang on and are playing their best ball of the season right now at the right time.

By: aljack88

aljack88 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:00:33 +0000

dontrunfromme says:
Jan 16, 2012 4:37 PM
Tuck rule. Worst call in all of professional sports. That is all. Carry on now.
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No, the officiating by Ben Dreith during the 1976 playoff game between the Raiders and the Patriots was the worst officiating of any playoff game; high lighted by the bogus “roughing the passer” penalty on the Patriot’s Ray Hamilton.

Dreith was so pathetically bad, for the next 14 years until he was “retired”, the NFL did not allow him to ref another Patriot’s game again.

By: Angry Orange Man

Angry Orange Man — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:37:55 +0000

OK…so what about the ludicrous roughing the passer call that led to another Packer TD?

Two TD drives handed to the Packers and the Giants STILL won. I am proud of my team and Tom Coughlin for not bursting a blood vessel after these calls.

By: danlyle

danlyle — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:48:56 +0000

I can’t recall the timeline exactly, but it seemed like the first FOX televised replays of the Jennings strip all had bad angles that were inconclusive. Later on the clear view (best angle) showed up that really showed the ball out before any body part hit the deck. Did Leavy see that version? I would guess not, based on his decision.

I wonder how the replays are fed to the “the hood” when the red flag flies. If there are 9 different camera angles and only one of them is useful for the call, how do they go through those? So many of the calls (or lack of calls) seemed really biased ( forward progress spotting, 5+ late hits on Manning, helmut on Rodgers (not)).

By: thatswhatimsayin

thatswhatimsayin — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:38:14 +0000

My Tivo dislikes that explanation

By: zaggs

zaggs — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:15:50 +0000

Actually Mike Pereira tweeted the calf part, but still said it was a fumble.
Also unless the “Contrary to what was suggested during the game, there is no need for the runner’s knee to be on the ground.” has changed very recently there have been a few times where the runners shin, but not knee, was down after being touched and he was not considered down by contact.

By: jakek2

jakek2 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:07:58 +0000

1) The original call was “fumble”. Then, the refs strained to overturn the original call by ruling down by contact.

2) Not only did Giants get completely hosed on the call, it forced them to burn a precious challenge and TO.

3) I might have gotten a “C” in biology, but from a purely anatomy standpoint, isn’t it impossible for calf to hit the ground before the knee?? Wouldn’t they hit at the same time unless Jennings was a Transformer?

– - – - Last thing the flag football league can afford is to think the NFL is the WWF.

By: trubroncfan07

trubroncfan07 — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:04:04 +0000

Die hard Broncos fan, (Before Tebow) I can tell you right now that the calls the Broncos were not getting for the past 7-8 years, are now getting because of the whole Tebow media over hype deal. Not a huge Tebow fan, but boy does it pay to be the story in the NFL when it comes to the officiating.

By: squared80

squared80 — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:58:51 +0000

This was all about getting Leavy’s favorite boyhood team, the Packers, into the Super Bowl. This is TWO MAJOR blunders on his part in playoff games… why is he still assigned to do them?

By: ilovethenfl

ilovethenfl — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:47:47 +0000

First, I am not a fan of either NY or Green Bay, though I have grandchildren living in both states. For officials to miss one or two calls can be accepted, because we’re humans and we make errors. However, the accumulation of bad calls and non-calls should send this official team back to the high school ranks. Over fifty years of watching the NFL, that I love so much, this officiating cannot be explained by the NFL, fans, or the officials themselves.

By: optimus3

optimus3 — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:28:40 +0000

Even though it was an AWFUL call, I would respect the NFL a whole lot more if they just came out and something along the lines of, “Human error is part of the game,” or “The call should have been overturned and we will work to ensure this doesn’t happen again.” Show some goddamn humility for once instead of excusing it by not even providing a sensible explanation.

By: stakex

stakex — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:19:10 +0000

If the league simply said “It was a bad call, should have been a fumble.”, everything would be fine. However, giving such a bad excuse makes a bigger deal out of the whole thing then it should be since the Giants won anyway. Makes one kinda wonder why the league is so quick to give an obviously BS awnser when there is really not need to.

By: glac1

glac1 — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:10:17 +0000

ok…. makes sense…

By: melikefootball

melikefootball — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:08:51 +0000

How bogus the league is for when they get bombarded with question on a very obvious fumble by the fans and coaches and announcers they always answer with the exact paragraph of the rule in their eyes. the trouble with this type answer is there is so many calls that aren’t called by the paragraphs of the rule book and others called because the refs interpatation falls short of the actual rule. The rule of holding and the lame helmet to helmet unprotected player, roughing the passer, and pass interferance are calls that every Sunday you see not called over and over or called one game and not in ten others. Sad that the officials have gotten to the point they can’t make a call that they see individually and then have to have five others get together to call. God-del can’t see that is is taking away from the game as well as all the reviews.

By: drbob117

drbob117 — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:08:13 +0000

His calf was NOT down before he coughed it up;that was clear on replay to anyone who could see, so Leavy screwed up.Period.

By: bbk1000

bbk1000 — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:07:41 +0000

Just an opinion but to me the NFL wanted the Packers back in the game, the refs seem to be coached before each game as to what to do when they get into certain circumstances.

Their explanation is garbage.

By: scoregasmic

scoregasmic — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:06:31 +0000

Officiating sucks. And mike pereira needs to never speak on fox again, even though he was right this time, I’ve had enough of hearing him use the word process when I’m watching a lions game. He clearly despises certain teams and gets mad whenever someone makes a good point about why the rules are dumb. Gruden > pereira

By: bhind8ball

bhind8ball — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:46:36 +0000

Your shin can be down, its happens all the time like when a reciever slides and his foot bends but usually the knee is down as well. But what does that have to do with this ruling NFL? No part of his body was down before the ball came loose. WTF man up fans are sick up this. And call some offensive holding calls. James Harrison gets held almost every play. 20/20 vision should be a must.

By: beeronthefridge

beeronthefridge — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:45:54 +0000

Every week it’s becoming more obvious that the NFL referees are crooked!

Their calls are based on who the NFL/Gamblers want to win.

Godell, the creature from hell, is corrupt and should be fired, tarred, feathered and paraded on Wall Street.

By: omegalh

omegalh — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:43:01 +0000

Does the towel on jennings hip count? Thats the closest part to the ground.

By: celbaum

celbaum — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:22:47 +0000

can someone explain how a shin can be down without the knee being down. my shin doesnt have a joint that allows that……arent they connected by one bone??