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Watergate meets Arrowhead, allegedly

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On one weekend every year, four highly-significant football games land on the NFL’s center stage.  This year, as we were still digesting the epic Saints-49ers finish and a Broncos-Patriots game that never really got started, and while we were anticipating Texans-Ravens and Giants-Packers, the Kansas City Star nearly slipped a potential four-alarm story through the national five hole.

According to Kent Babb of the Star, former Chiefs coach Todd Haley believes that the team bugged rooms at the facility and “tampered with” Haley’s phone.  (The team denies the accusation.)

That’s the most compelling takeaway from a lengthy article that details many of the actual and/or perceived idiosyncrasies of the Scott Pioli regime.  Much of the information comes from former employees who naturally aren’t happy with the changes that were made, no matter how unreasonable or reasonable or necessary or unnecessary they may have been.

But the most potentially powerful nugget, as culled by Peter King in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback, comes from Haley’s allegation of wiretapping.

Like Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, it’s unwise to accuse the Nathan Jessups of the world of serious misconduct absent, you know, facts.  If Haley believes that the Chiefs are bugging rooms and/or tapping phones, Haley needs to provide chapter-and-verse evidence.

If he’s right, people won’t simply lose their jobs; they’ll possibly land in jail, and for good reason.

The allegation is so inherently troublesome that we think the league should launch an immediate investigation.  This is a far bigger issue than brazenly videotaping defensive coaching signals during games, the foundation of the “Spygate” scandal in New England.  If Haley is right, the Chiefs have been violating state and federal law in the name of truly spying on their employees.

That’s why accusations of this nature shouldn’t be tossed around recklessly.

We’ll give Haley the benefit of the doubt and assume that he’s not embellishing, exaggerating, and/or fabricating.  If the league reacts the same way, the investigation will have already begun.

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124 Responses to “Watergate meets Arrowhead, allegedly”
  1. tjacks7 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:32 PM

    I may be wrong, but aren’t companies allowed to record their employee’s work/office phones?

  2. 1972wasalongtimeago says: Jan 16, 2012 10:34 PM

    Does anyone else think Haley seems a little, oh I don’t know, CRAZY!?

  3. nomoreseasontix says: Jan 16, 2012 10:35 PM

    Sounds a little like a tinfoil hat situation to me.
    I’ve never thought Haley was particularly stable…

  4. mikeeg says: Jan 16, 2012 10:35 PM

    He has always seemed like a whack job… i say jail him…

  5. trbowman says: Jan 16, 2012 10:35 PM

    Pioli another New England type gone wrong.

  6. lostsok says: Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM

    “I may be wrong, but aren’t companies allowed to record their employee’s work/office phones?”

    If they advise them they are doing so, and many jobs (especially call centers) do, than it is definitely a standard practice. Most employees at companies have to sign a waiver that notes their computers may be searched and so forth.

  7. blackbeard43 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM

    Wow! and I thought the Raiders’ org. under Al Davis was paranoid.

  8. trbowman says: Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM

    I don’t get why nobody would want a great coach like Haley as their head coach.

    Oh I forgot, he isn’t the “yes man” suck up type so many GMs and owners want.

  9. jjpt4540 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM

    Haley is a joke.

  10. ssgonesolo says: Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM

    Weed makes you paranoid… BOO!!! This story alone is… INSANE!!

  11. tarquinfintimlinbin says: Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM

    Why give “Haley the benefit of doubt” and not Clark Hunt? Especially minus any evidence. The KC Star is a dying paper and the reporter is just beefing up his resume for when he applies for a job at TMZ.

  12. chadinkc30 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM

    Surprised this hasn’t hit national media yet like it should, this is an unbelievably bad mark on this franchise and especially bad on Scott Pioli! Chiefs need to can this guy asap, for this, and a terrible job in 3 years!

  13. chiefwildcat says: Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM

    Companies can record telephone conversations, but only with the consent of the employee being recorded. It was Haley’s personal cell phone that he felt had been tapped.

  14. PFTiswhatitis says: Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM

    Haley is NUTS!

  15. capers8 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:40 PM

    Haley believed his personal cell phone was bugged. This guy is nuts. http://www.thepowerwire.com

  16. chadinkc30 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:40 PM

    Not only is Haley claiming this people!

  17. 7to10for6allday says: Jan 16, 2012 10:40 PM

    Wow! That’s crazy.

  18. derekjetersmansion says: Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM

    Jason Whitlock, your thoughts.

  19. 90suhperbowl90 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM

    If you read the article you’d know Haley wasn’t the only one that thought this. He’s just the only relevant one.

  20. bbkld5 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:43 PM

    The league investigate a franchise for poor working conditions and possible felonies?

    Never happen and if they did, what could they do?

    Two words: “Al Davis”

  21. yelix says: Jan 16, 2012 10:43 PM

    Whether or not this is true, this makes me embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan. Lamar Hunt would’ve never hired a guy like Pioli, and probably wouldn’t have considered hiring Haley.

    I know the Chiefs don’t have the richest history of winning championships, but they generally have tried to come across as the “good guys”. Pioli is instead trying (and failing so far) to rebuild the Patriots.

  22. earthtopft says: Jan 16, 2012 10:46 PM

    Turns out the “wire tapping” was just some old Morse Code, deflected by sunspots and bouncing around the ether for a century or so. Picked up by Todd’s headset. Some kind of warning about a plot to assasinate Duke Ferdinand of Austria. Whoever he was.

  23. irongershwin says: Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM

    Not for nothing, what could be coming out of the Chiefs facility that’s so important to wiretap.

  24. cardmagnet says: Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM

    I don’t blame him for being paranoid…he was in New England under Belichick. He’s seen things like that first hand, possibly even done them.

  25. ham1 says: Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM

    Sounds like a geekin crack addict

  26. earthtopft says: Jan 16, 2012 10:51 PM

    Haley went to buy gas the other day. Kid behind the counter pointed a finger at him and said “People are saying [stuff] about you!”. Then he made crazy googly eyes and laughed at him.

  27. howiehandles says: Jan 16, 2012 10:51 PM

    When you’re winning, its considered being thorough and demanding. When you’re losing, its considered being a j****f.

    Tom Brady’s success has certainly made some j****fs a lot of money, and allowed them promotions into jobs which they probably would have never been considered for.

  28. godsowncrunk says: Jan 16, 2012 10:52 PM

    Giving the benefit of the doubt to an accuser who offers no evidence – wait, is PFT crossposting with Jezebel now?

  29. phillyphever says: Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM

    Lamar Hunt has to be rolling in his grave right now the way his son is ruining that franchise.

  30. buzzbissinger says: Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM

    trbowman,

    I’ve seen some trollers in my day, but you are the KING of them.

    and on PFT, that’s saying something.

  31. earthtopft says: Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM

    Whose Comet you getting these messages from, Todd?

  32. howiehandles says: Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM

    “One executive, who’s no longer with the team, was sent to human resources for casually referring to Pioli by his last name; the executive said, however, that first names were acceptable”

    ————

    And who sends Pioli to HR for failed expectations?

  33. chiefwildcat says: Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM

    Kent Babb supposedly interviewed a total of 24 current and past Chiefs employees. Haley isn’t the only one of them that felt phone conversations were being recorded. It is a felony to record conversations without consent, especially if it’s the personal phone of an employee. The league should investigate the matter. The season ticket holders and fans need to know the truth if this is how the organization is being ran.

  34. stampnhawk says: Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM

    Haley’s own fault for growing that beard…I’m guessing they placed a bug in his beard…that or maybe it explains the beard, he was thinking the razor was bugged.

    Don’t know what to make of this, in one regard I think Haley is a good candidate for wearing Kleenex boxes on his feet and living in the Spruce Moose, but there’s a lot in that story that leads me to believe Pioli thinks he’s running some sort of cult out of the Arrowhead Compound too.

  35. howiehandles says: Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM

    “Stephanie Melton, who worked 11 years on the team’s operations staff, recalled Pioli’s reaction after she and a coworker, after working past midnight on a weekend, had parked a courier van in the unmarked space usually occupied by Pioli’s car. The women had forgotten to move it, and Pioli was livid the next morning. Melton said she was made to feel for several days that she’d be fired.”

    ———

    This guy should be kissing Brady’s arse every day. What a Richard.

  36. sisqsage says: Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM

    Pioli was brought up in the Patriots’ culture, where pretty much anything goes to get a win.
    What did you expect?
    What did Pioli know and when did he know it?
    Just follow the money, says deep route in KC, er, deepthroat.

  37. bedmanokc says: Jan 16, 2012 10:56 PM

    Look ANY THING is an upgrade from the Germ Edwards regime here—remember? The guy who took the Chiefs to the worst 2 years in their HISTORY? You know, the guy who wanted to get rid of Jarrod Allen…..the same Jarrod Allen that led the league in sacks (after a 4 game suspension)

    Long live Pioli!!!!!!!

  38. bedmanokc says: Jan 16, 2012 10:57 PM

    Haley: that guy is about as stable as my last relationship….

  39. thekingdave says: Jan 16, 2012 10:58 PM

    trbowman posts as much as an obsessive 13 year old girl shooting off text messages

  40. commonsensedude says: Jan 16, 2012 10:59 PM

    Who does Haley blame for planting the chip in his head? The CIA?

    Paging Dr. Phil ….

  41. breastsmoosh says: Jan 16, 2012 11:01 PM

    I really like the movie predator

  42. gbaird25 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM

    After reading the entire article, seems to me that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    It is uncontroverted that employees would meet offsite if they wanted to speak candidly, and would take separate cars to meet offsite, so as to avoid the watchful eye of big brother. That’s just flat-out strange.

    Someone needs to tell Pioli that it’s football, not international espionage.

  43. couchpotatothoughts says: Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that thay’re not out to get you! :-)

  44. irongershwin says: Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM

    I think Haley has a split personality named Avon Barksdale.

  45. chadinkc30 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM

    Chiefs fans, except that Pioli is a disaster & not the genius everyone expected! Cut your losses, move on!

  46. drewsylvania says: Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM

    Most of you are blaming Haley–is he really that nutty that he’d create this whole thing himself?

  47. stlram says: Jan 16, 2012 11:06 PM

    this is just to silly for words

  48. matthewcarlson1 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:06 PM

    ssgonesolo says:
    Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM
    Weed makes you paranoid… BOO!!! This story alone is… INSANE!!
    ——————————————————–

    Weed? Weed? and you’re getting this information from where? Personal experience? I doubt it. And what information is there that he smokes weed? NONE. so you sir are a douche

  49. istateyourname says: Jan 16, 2012 11:08 PM

    You people have no idea. All you did Haley is weaken a franchise today…

  50. trbowman says: Jan 16, 2012 11:10 PM

    ‘trbowman posts as much as an obsessive 13 year old girl shooting off text messages”

    omg no i dont!

  51. jamesx27 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:12 PM

    ARROWGATE!!!

  52. cometkazie says: Jan 16, 2012 11:12 PM

    Shades of Brodhead bugging coaches offices . . .

    Isn’t the wiretapping law different for phone signals that are broadcast, e.g. cell phones, than for land lines?

  53. 6ball says: Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM

    .

    If guilty, they should be forced to assume Santonio Holmes contract.

    .

  54. rexismybff says: Jan 16, 2012 11:15 PM

    “This is a far bigger issue than brazenly videotaping defensive coaching signals during games, the foundation of the “Spygate” scandal in New England.”

    ===============================

    Yeah, because that scandal didn’t cause any damage to the league’s credibility (like allowing a team to steal three Lombardi’s), or to anyone’s career (like the devastation it caused to the careers of Kurt Warner, Dick Vermeil, and half the Rams’ organization).

    In fact, I find bugging your own failure-of-a-coach’s hotel room far less offensive than allowing a team to steal half-a-decade’s worth of regular season and playoff wins, and then burning the evidence for them.

  55. rambo888 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:16 PM

    Don’t doubt it one bit that the GM is doing this as is the case in New England,but they get away with it there because they win. Winning lets you get away with rude coaches,GMs and management. Lose like the Chiefs and the GM must go for his actions.

  56. rambo888 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM

    It’s only football Pioili

  57. lookatthefarside says: Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM

    Chappelle’s crack addict skit comes to mind…

  58. nomoreseasontix says: Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM

    Oh man… chip in the head, sunspots and Morse code, Kleenex boxes on the feet…..

    There’s some good stuff here…

    Thanks for the laughs!

  59. trbowman says: Jan 16, 2012 11:19 PM

    Speaking of the Chiefs, they’d be the perfect team for Peyton Manning.

    Great, young talented defense, a good receiving corps if Bowe is re-signed, as well as a strong ground game with a healthy Jamaal Charles.

    All they’re missing is a quarterback. Pioli needs to wake up and see Cassel isn’t someone you can consistently win with.

    That division is easily the Chiefs with Peyton Manning.

  60. buzzbissinger says: Jan 16, 2012 11:21 PM

    bbkld5 says:

    The league investigate a franchise for poor working conditions and possible felonies?

    Never happen and if they did, what could they do?

    Two words: “Al Davis”

    Not only do you exercise poor timing and bad taste, you don’t even make sense.

    FAIL.

  61. lanjoith says: Jan 16, 2012 11:21 PM

    This story has the feeling like no big deal on the surface but will end up blowing into something massive in the next couple weeks, kind of like the Penn State story did.

  62. vincentbojackson says: Jan 16, 2012 11:26 PM

    “wait a minute, your telling me the Chiefs coaching staff have their own offices?”

    “all we get is a few card tables set up in the locker room”

    -Marvin Lewis

  63. trbowman says: Jan 16, 2012 11:28 PM

    “trbowman,

    I’ve seen some trollers in my day, but you are the KING of them.

    and on PFT, that’s saying something.”

    A troll because I’m not afraid to challenge conventional wisdom?

  64. buffaloniner says: Jan 16, 2012 11:34 PM

    After reading the full article I’m starting to feel like the Chiefs may even be watching ME… I have to burn my hard drive… wait did you hear that?… Pioli is that you??… I have to go

  65. nesuperfan says: Jan 16, 2012 11:37 PM

    lostsok says:Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM

    “I may be wrong, but aren’t companies allowed to record their employee’s work/office phones?”

    If they advise them they are doing so, and many jobs (especially call centers) do, than it is definitely a standard practice. Most employees at companies have to sign a waiver that notes their computers may be searched and so forth.
    __________________________________

    chiefwildcat says:Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM

    Companies can record telephone conversations, but only with the consent of the employee being recorded. It was Haley’s personal cell phone that he felt had been tapped.
    __________________________________

    This is an area of work that I have had years of experience with. I am not a lawyer, but I have had to deal with legal departments as the IT consultant, who has implemented these systems without employee knowledge under the orders of management.

    First, and foremost, it really depends on the state you are in. In the vast majority of states, they can record you on their phone system, and they do not have to let you know. A notable exception is California: They can still record you, but they have to tell you. The majority of states do not require such disclosure. They can also monitor your computer use without telling you.

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#2a

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#3a

    As far as Haley’s cell phone goes, if it is his personal cell phone, and it was tapped, a crime has been committed. If the Chief’s are listed as the owner, the laws of their state apply, and it will probably be treated like a computer (in other words, the company owns it, they can monitor it). There have been quite a number of rulings that have backed this doctrine up.

    http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-video-record-an-employee-without–453171.html

  66. drewsylvania says: Jan 16, 2012 11:38 PM

    Love how every thread turns into Spygate. Congrats.

  67. panniniclaus says: Jan 16, 2012 11:40 PM

    The only reason someone would take the precautions Pioli is taking would be because he absolutely knows someone has taken advantage of a team unaware by obtaining information through illegal means.

    I wonder where he learned of a team doing such a thing?

  68. critter69 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:41 PM

    If violations of state and/or federal law are involved, then why should the league investigate? Why not the people who SHOULD investigate – state and/or federal law enforcement?

    And what league rules were violated? That is the ONLY area that should get the NFL’s attention. If during their investigation, they come across, or become aware of, information of a violation of law, they are liable for interfering with an investigation if they don’t quickly get that information to the proper authorities, which are the state and/or federal law enforcement units.

    Having ONLY the NFL investigate is like having the parking garage investigate a murder that happened in the parking garage, and telling the police that they can’t enter the parking garage, since the police don’t own the parking garage.

  69. dkeaton46 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:49 PM

    It has been acknowledged that Mr. Haley While playing flag football in the back yard with the kid’s and little woman fell into a cinder block wall . It was necessary to install a metal plate in his scrubby little unshaven noggin . Mr. Haley insist that on clear nights he get’s messages from other worlds . And to go further Mr. Haley thinks that Clark Hunt is indeed an Alien and is spying on him also . He insisted that his office was the real Starship enterprize

  70. bobhk says: Jan 16, 2012 11:52 PM

    I may be wrong, but aren’t companies allowed to record their employee’s work/office phones?”

    If they advise them they are doing so, and many jobs (especially call centers) do, than it is definitely a standard practice. Most employees at companies have to sign a waiver that notes their computers may be searched and so forth

    ———–
    Can’t speak about telephone conversations but definitely not true regarding computers (especially in tech environment). Laptops and computers are company property and so is any content on them (they don’t need your waiver to look).
    As a matter of fact most (all?) company computers are regularly backed up.

  71. pacificnw7722 says: Jan 16, 2012 11:55 PM

    “If he’s right, people won’t simply lose their jobs; they’ll possibly land in jail, and for good reason.”

    A FULL scale NFL investigation should be launched!

  72. kingcarlbanks says: Jan 17, 2012 12:00 AM

    @ bedmanokc

    The decision to get rid of Jared Allen was made my Carl (Five year plan) Peterson, not Herm. It was either pay Jared or Pay Larry Johnson. Carl chose the latter due to him considering LJ like a son. Don’t blame Herm for Peterson’s mistakes. He wasn’t in KC long enough to do anything. As for Pioli, the man is an arrogant jackhole who believes he built the Patriots all by himself. Just another case of BB making so-so football people look good.

  73. yelix says: Jan 17, 2012 12:08 AM

    Man, now I’m just thinking about what would happen if the worst of these accusations turned out to be true. Would only Pioli be held accountable, or would it go all the way up to Clark Hunt?

    If Hunt was found to be a participant in weird activities, would he have to give up ownership like Eddie DeBartolo, Jr. did?

    That’s a lot of “if”. But it’s still interesting to think about.

  74. newguy925 says: Jan 17, 2012 12:08 AM

    I think you guys have this backwards. Haley was working a 60-70 hour a week job in this environment. When you take someone as obsessive and intelligent as an NFL coach and expose them to this added pressure, yea, they get a little nuts. If my boss was tapping my personal phone and I knew it but couldn’t prove it; that would push me in a direction I don’t want to go.

  75. chadinkc30 says: Jan 17, 2012 12:19 AM

    Ya I’m sure the chiefs are on mannings radar lol, get real dude

  76. purplengold says: Jan 17, 2012 12:31 AM

    warrantless wiretaps
    big brother is watching us
    this is nothing new

  77. riverhorsey says: Jan 17, 2012 12:50 AM

    according to team president Mark Donovan, when discussing whether the Chiefs bugged phones in the building to monitor employees:

    “I’m not going to say that we’ve never done it, but it’s not something we do. It’s not how we operate this business.”

    That’s a pretty damning statement from the team president. He as much as admitted they’ve done it.

  78. jaggedmark says: Jan 17, 2012 12:50 AM

    I may be wrong, but aren’t companies allowed to record their employee’s work/office phones
    ———————————-
    Only with warning and notification.

  79. nflovercollegefb says: Jan 17, 2012 12:54 AM

    Gee, lets look at Pioli’s mentors; as much as I like him, Bill Belichick is paranoid and secretive and Bill Parcells, who is also his father in-law is paranoid, secretive, a control freak and a d-bag!

    I’m a Pats fan but was never impressed with Pioli and I would not be surprised in the least if he wasn’t behind this.

    Pioli is not the “Football Man” he’d like us all to think he is, he got the KC job based on his relationship with BB, granted they worked well together but Pioli was more a check and balance for BB than an actual personnel guy himself.

    Now Pioli is a desperate man in over his head IMO, how else would you describe this sort of thing, oh yeah and Haley is no peach either.

  80. demons87 says: Jan 17, 2012 12:55 AM

    It sounds like there are two phenomenons going on.

    First, people are afraid of change of leadership and rightly so. New leadership often demands different things. No different than in my office when a new CFO takes over. This point is brought home by the equipment guy who said about the previous regime change, “I remember the same feelings and people saying the same things. I was a young kid working in the equipment department, and everybody was talking about how everybody was worried about getting fired. … Any time there’s change, that’s just the feeling that people have.”

    Second, the association with the Patriots is causing the already fearful people to see conspiracies. The incredible attention to detail leads people to pick up things that most people don’t. That could explain why people feel they are being bugged. The bosses telling their employees to watch what they say was probably also a cause for the fear.

    Look, some companies just pay incredible attention to detail. My wife is always on camera. If she has a button undone or a sleeve rolled up, she will get a call from her boss. They have all kinds of rules that on the surface are nuts, but when you ask her why that may be it’s usually because someone took advantage and they made a blanket rule to stop that type of activity. Yeah it sucks, but you can understand why they did it.

    Same with the Pioli regime. The Chiefs sucked. There wasn’t enough attention to detail and those people were let go. It sucks, but sometimes the little detail is important.

  81. fringetastic says: Jan 17, 2012 1:10 AM

    Now THIS is fodder for the “rumor mill”!

  82. jasons81 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:17 AM

    6ball says:
    Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM
    .

    If guilty, they should be forced to assume Santonio Holmes contract.

    .

    ———————-

    You sir are brilliant!

  83. bleed4philly says: Jan 17, 2012 1:21 AM

    Spygate Part 2

  84. riverhorsey says: Jan 17, 2012 1:23 AM

    KC Chiefs might have the worst workplace in America

    http://deadspin.com/5876426/the-kansas-city-chiefs-might-have-the-worst-workplace-in-america

  85. yakuzafinger says: Jan 17, 2012 1:32 AM

    Pats Midwest has become yet another fail. It’s become obvious that Belichick is the one that’s done all the heavy lifting all these years.

  86. mornelithe says: Jan 17, 2012 1:57 AM

    @ Tjacks7 – In some States it’s actually illegal for companies to record phone lines without prior notice. As lostsok mentioned, even in call centers, they must notify you prior to the call (which is why it’s usually an automated message while you’re on hold) that the conversation could be recorded for quality/training purposes.

  87. drewzducks says: Jan 17, 2012 2:50 AM

    Hey “Rexismyballsack”…devastation to Vermeil? Get your facts straight Moron…he had already left the Rams as Martz was their coach by then…and as far as Warner is concerned he did just fine once he ended up with the Cards unless you forgot a great SB against the Steelers or was that against the 3-peat all talk no results Jets?

    And as for those three “stolen” superbowls no one in their right mind thinks that unless you’re a fan of a loser team who hasn’t won a title in over 40 years…62-16 regular season record and 3-3 postseason since Mangenius ratted out his boss for doing what he himself had done and most other teams were doing. That of course includes their 18-0 start, when the league and everyone else was watching their every move, before they got run over by the NYG’s.

  88. manasquanpolice says: Jan 17, 2012 3:18 AM

    phillyphever says:
    Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM
    Lamar Hunt has to be rolling in his grave right now the way his son is ruining that franchise.
    ———————————————————–
    Not sure he’d be rolling…cheering, maybe. The Hunt family has a long history of paranoia, from McCarthy, to Nixon, to the John Birch Society, to Lamar helping set-up a right-wing intelligence network, the International Committee for the Defence of Christian Culture. Can’t say bugging Haley would fall too far out of the realm.

  89. denverdude7 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:31 AM

    What’s wrong with a little wire tapping here and there?

    Funny how these things always seem to have a New England connection usn’t it?

    Josh McDaniels not only got caught videotaping walkthrough practices while in New England but got caught again while in Denver. Then, while completely legal, the Patriots re-hire McDaniels while still under contract to St.Louis just before a playoff game with McDaniels’ old team.

    Both Kansas City and New England should be investigated if for no other reason than the old saying “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

  90. kcflake says: Jan 17, 2012 4:55 AM

    I am a Die Hard Chiefs Fan. I supported Haley all the way up until he decided to continue to play Tyler Palko, even after they acquired Kyle Orton. He lost me at that point. No good coach in their right mind would play Palko over Orton. Haley should have been more concerned with winning games than his phone being bugged. I think Crennell will be a Big upgrade over Haley. He was a Major League Jerk and embarrassed the Chiefs organization.

  91. joetoronto says: Jan 17, 2012 5:51 AM

    This accusation has to be taken very seriously by the league, and I’m sure it will be.

    As crazy as I think Haley is, he can’t be dumb enough to say something like that without knowing he’d have to back it up.

    You just don’t make this kind of accusation without being positively sure.

    As for Pioli, his reputation for being a jerk precedes him, I wouldn’t doubt this being true for a minute.

  92. worldwidebleater says: Jan 17, 2012 6:24 AM

    Just one more thing Todd Haley is over-reacting to. The guy needs anger management help.

  93. briggsweatbird says: Jan 17, 2012 6:28 AM

    “…no matter how unreasonable or reasonable or necessary or unnecessary they may have been.”

    At least you have all the bases covered, Mike.

  94. tominma says: Jan 17, 2012 6:54 AM

    Hey, the real truth is that the Chiefs used crittercams on flies to keep track on what was going on! So, stop dreaming up silly fairy tales!!

  95. kacapaco says: Jan 17, 2012 6:54 AM

    If they taped anything or tampered anyone’s phone, send them to jail. BUT THE REMAINING COMPLAINTS ABT ‘secrecy’ AND ‘extreme discipline’ WHAT WAS REALLY NEEDED TO CHANGE THAT EMBARRASSING ’2&14′ CULTURE. If you think it is too much serious, go get public job.

  96. vman0626 says: Jan 17, 2012 7:08 AM

    i’m a north jersey guy. pioli married bill parcells’ daughter. i heard stories about pioli once from someone who claimed to have gone to college with parcells’ daughter and knew them. i never really believed any of it, but after reading the kc star article, all i can say is….wow.

  97. vols84 says: Jan 17, 2012 7:11 AM

    This was going on at One Arrowhead Drive under King Carl in the 90′s. Nothing new by this story.

  98. larrybrown43 says: Jan 17, 2012 7:19 AM

    The days of the American worker being treated fairly have faded away. Even in the NFL people are treated like cogs. For those that think Haley is a goofball, you need to read the article. Little was about him.

  99. redrew says: Jan 17, 2012 7:25 AM

    I’m sure every employee in the NFL signs releases ackowledging that electronics are property of the team subject to monitoring…..standard operating procedure. Obviously, the former employees couldn’t handle moving forward into the 21st century. They preferred “Mayberry RFD”…..which would allow them cruise the internet or chat with Aunt Milly on company time…..IT DON”T WORK THAT WAY NO MO

  100. FinFan68 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:00 AM

    It sounds like many employees were lackadaisical and the new regime was overbearing. The wiretapping stuff is bad, if true. Some people love flaunting/abusing their newfound power. Regardless of how it came to be, the Chiefs organization has a morale problem that needs to be addressed. “The beatings will continue until morale improves” is not the right mentality but it is likely the one being used.

  101. jrobitaille23 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:24 AM

    yeah, but what does Tony Dungy think about this?

  102. daveydawg says: Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM

    Oh just wait, if the pats go to the Super Bowl, this story will be front line and center so all the haters can vent for a week

  103. kwoodc says: Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM

    Everyone assumes that Haley is crazy but there has been accusations from multiple employees, including lawsuits. One woman that was employed for 10+ years lost her job because she parked in Piolis parking spot.

  104. MTLighthouse69 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:48 AM

    After all of this, one has to wonder how easily it will be for Haley to get another job in the NFL.

  105. thehungariancrippler says: Jan 17, 2012 8:51 AM

    What’s the big deal? They bug phones in their own facility? oooohhhhh.

  106. MTLighthouse69 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM

    In general, I do have to wonder about the whole telephone recording concept. Sure, the person that works at an office can sign a waiver, or whatever, but if that person is talking to someone outside of a company, the person outside of the company hasn’t signed anything. So I don’t know how legally a conversation can be recorded under those circumstances.

  107. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:02 AM

    “Hi this is Todd Haley, our conversation may be recorded for “training purposes”, please hold for the next available member of the coaching staff.”

  108. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:06 AM

    “Both Kansas City and New England should be investigated if for no other reason than the old saying “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Hey Denverdude7,

    I assume you also want your Donks investigated for potential salary cap violations since Elway is back with the franchise. You know, “where there’s smoke there’s fire” after all.

  109. Patriot42 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:07 AM

    Those that were allegedly affected by the allegation should go to the authorities and bring charges against the Chiefs organization. Then if the charges stick should the media jump on them.

  110. swervinmervin says: Jan 17, 2012 9:30 AM

    Funny how so many in here are dismissing Haley when the GM of the team came from New England and was involved in similar situations with SpyGate. Dont worry though, similar to SpyGate, the NFL will quickly brush it under the rug and then burn the rug.

  111. raiders757 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM

    I’m sure the Chiefs crazy ownership thought Al Davis was sending spies to work within the organization. This has been going on for years within the land of mullets and rusty Camaros. The Chiefs have been dysfunctional behind the scenes for decades. They’re redneck fans are just in denial about these sort of things, but sadly for them, yes, your favorite team is just as nutty as my Raiders used to be. The key word here, is “used to be” for the Raiders. Enjoy a few more decades of futility Chief fans.

  112. txniner says: Jan 17, 2012 9:58 AM

    This is the same guy who claimed that his wife found a dead rat in her salad at McDonalds! Honest! Go figure.

  113. agelardi says: Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM

    This is the kind of thing that makes you never get hired again… at any level. Save it for the book after you’ve retired man.

  114. agelardi says: Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM

    Considering Belichick got caught videotapping other teams, I can totally believe Pioli did this.

  115. mogogo1 says: Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM

    Haley does sound paranoid, but if you read the article, so do lots and lots of other Chiefs’ insiders. It absolutely does not sound like an environment conducive to success when all anybody can think about is whether Big Brother is watching.

    Pioli sounds like an obsessive-compulsive at best…and a sociopath if the bugging stories are true. He monitored how long it took a candy wrapper to be swept up in a back stairwell? Employees were encouraged not to have friends outside their own department? People got sent to HR for referring to Pioli by his last name? Somebody parked in his favorite (unmarked) parking space and nearly got fired for it?

  116. realitypolice says: Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM

    The first question I always ask myself in situations like this is “Why?”.

    What motivation could an organization have to bug the office of it’s coach? To tamper with his PERSONAL cell phone?

    I’m drawing a blank. Certainly nothing comes to mind that would justify the risk.

    Then I look at the person making the charge and the person being charged.

    If you had to bet on one of them being clinically insane, would you bet on Scott Pioli or Todd Haley?

  117. riverhorsey says: Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM

    realitypolice says:

    If you had to bet on one of them being clinically insane, would you bet on Scott Pioli or Todd Haley?
    ————————————————-

    Pioli spends his days planting candy bar wrappers around the building, what do you think?

  118. Ralphie says: Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM

    denverdude7 says:
    Jan 17, 2012 3:31 AM

    Both Kansas City and New England should be investigated if for no other reason than the old saying “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
    ___________________________

    The Bronco’s should also be investigated for impersonating a professional football team Saturday night.

  119. trubroncfan07 says: Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM

    Imagine all the dirt you could dig up on the Pats. They must have implemented this first and past this on Pioli.

  120. olcap says: Jan 17, 2012 11:57 AM

    “The allegation is so inherently troublesome that we think the league should launch an immediate investigation.”

    Ha ha ha. If the league “investigated” this, the outcome would only result in their destruction of evidence.

  121. CKL says: Jan 17, 2012 1:44 PM

    kwoodc says:
    Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM
    Everyone assumes that Haley is crazy but there has been accusations from multiple employees, including lawsuits. One woman that was employed for 10+ years lost her job because she parked in Piolis parking spot.
    ________________________________
    She SAYS that’s why she lost her job. A lot of people exaggerate to save face. They also exaggerate if they feel they could possibly have a lawsuit brewing for wrongful termination. Believe me I used to work in HR and heard a lot of garbage. I also worked in a company that had an ownership change and know that change causes all kinds of angst and manifests itself in the comfortable people who are skating on things they’ve done decades ago “shooting their way out of town” (so to speak)sometimes. This is almost like a team going from a lackadaisical players coach to a disciplinarian.

    That said, I am not trying to maintain that Pioli may not have done some things wrong. I just find it odd that no employee in the Pats’ past has ever made these types of accusations about him. This reeks of a resistance to a culture change. Pats had to dump a ton of malcontent types who were used to the perpetually chipper Peter Carroll when BB & Pioli took over.

  122. deten1970 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM

    I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Bill Belichick was Pioli’s mentor — suspicion of truth, control freak and paranoia seem to be characterizing the Chief’s organization now. Minus the wins!

  123. olcap says: Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM

    @deten1970

    That’s because the Chiefs don’t have Tom Brady, who, let’s face it, would make any coach look like a genius. The current NE coach had better retire before Brady does, otherwise, he will look like a moron, rather than a genius.

  124. kisstherings says: Jan 17, 2012 9:18 PM

    @Olcap

    Yeah he looked like a real moron in 2008 when he went 11-5 without Brady.

    Your the Moron dude

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