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Kroenke passes on opportunity to renew commitment to St. Louis

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On Tuesday, the Rams introduced new head coach Jeff Fisher.  Apart from the predictable stuff, like Fisher gushing about his new employer, tap-dancing around the issue of who’ll have final say, and personally denying that he leveraged the Rams against the Dolphins (even though anyone with a pulse and common sense knows he did), owner Stan Kroenke had a chance to put to rest the renewed talk of a move to Los Angeles, which arose from a recent report that Fisher had concerns about joining the franchise give the possibility of a relocation.

“I think this is all out there,” Kroenke said of a lease that allows the Rams to leave after the 2014 season if the Edward Jones Dome isn’t among the top 25 percent of all NFL stadiums.  “The chronology of what occurs with the lease is public knowledge.  I don’t think that for me to comment on that process is particularly timely.  The city or the authority has within their power, they’re dealing with their side of it and they present a proposal to us by February 1.  There’s a team in place that deals with all that, so we’ll see how that process sorts itself out.  It’s a thing that takes place over time.

“As I said earlier, I started in St. Louis, in one year from now, that will be 20 years, so I’ve been around here a long time,” Kroenke added.  “Contrary to a lot of reports, I haven’t taken a lot of ‘jack’ out of the market.  I think that’s what’s reported.  I have put a lot of ‘jack’ into the market.”

(For the record, we like any NFL owner who publicly refers to money as “jack”.)

So, given that Kroenke is a year away from 20 in St. Louis, will he be there in another 20?

“We’ll see how that process works out,” Kroenke said.

Somewhere in L.A., they’re already starting to hollow out their watermelons and otherwise squirreling away discretionary “jack” for the purchase of season tickets.

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52 Responses to “Kroenke passes on opportunity to renew commitment to St. Louis”
  1. earthtopft says: Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM

    While the precise background of the Kroenke clan is a bit murky, it is believed they originated in a tiny Balkan community where the citizens worship a diety named “Jack”.

  2. wadecounty93 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:53 PM

    Go to L.A.!

  3. candyman4881 says: Jan 17, 2012 8:58 PM

    What exactly do you expect Kroenke to say while there are lease negotiations going on? Stan helped bring football to St Louis, is from Missouri, and has invested heavily in the St Louis market with “jack”. Do you think he is just going to uproot them and move back to LA? I cant wait for the CVC and the Rams to extend the lease and this can finally be put to rest.

  4. breastsmoosh says: Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM

    I’m not into dudes or anything but I LOVE Jeff Fishers beautiful smile!

  5. nflinla says: Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM

    Bring the Rams back home #NFLinLA

  6. clawledge says: Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM

    Wasn’t this the plot to Major League?

  7. thegreatness34 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:07 PM

    Trying to decide what city deserves a franchise less than LA.

  8. drjonesupresume says: Jan 17, 2012 9:10 PM

    Rams /Raiders/Jags. Makes no difference to LA. My money is on the Rams. Fish has strong ties to USC and would be an easy sell to the locals who follow that semi-pro team.

  9. AlanSaysYo says: Jan 17, 2012 9:13 PM

    I prefer the conspiracy theory that Kroenke is moving the Rams to LA and Khan is moving the Jags to St. Louis. Doubles the number of angry folk.

  10. riverhorsey says: Jan 17, 2012 9:16 PM

    At 7 mil in jack a year for a head coach he’s taking a lil jack out of the place.

  11. fballguy says: Jan 17, 2012 9:18 PM

    Los Angeles Rams…I like the sound of that. Just sort of rolls off the tongue.

  12. upperdecker19 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:19 PM

    That’s jacked up

  13. illbringdabeers says: Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM

    Whats L.A. gonna do with the Raiders, Rams, Jags, and Chargers? 2 Teams per stadium?

  14. bbrophy1 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:32 PM

    He’s never going to forfeit his leverage in negotiations by pledging unconditionally that he will remain in St. Louis. Just let it play out

  15. gixrider says: Jan 17, 2012 9:32 PM

    Do you think he is just going to uproot them and move back to LA?
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    Money trumps all with most of these guys. Remember, Art Modell’s ties to Cleveland were pretty deep too (like 30+years). Until there’s another team in LA or new stadium in St. Louis anything is possible. Sad, but it’s the way of the world.

  16. rosloe62 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM

    LA sucks! That’s why there’s no team there now. Why would a team want to move there and then have to move again when there’s no fan support.

  17. stlram says: Jan 17, 2012 9:46 PM

    thegreatness 34, any other team deserves a team before LA. the whole reason why the rams left was because of their inability to draw fans. its no secret that the NFL wants another team in LA because its such a large market. but it will result in the same thing, lots of empty seats.

  18. stl45fan says: Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM

    No team should be allowed to return to a city that it left.

  19. jgreeds says: Jan 17, 2012 9:49 PM

    Ask Vince McMahon about Stan Kroenke

  20. lolb23 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:51 PM

    Kalil will be happy. He’s from USC.

  21. burm61 says: Jan 17, 2012 9:51 PM

    @alan double the number? Don’t you mean Rams fans plus the 12 gator… I mean Jags fans?

  22. maddenisfordorks says: Jan 17, 2012 10:04 PM

    I say the people of St.Louis, Jacksonville, Buffalo, San Diego, and Oakland all travel to LA, and just wreck that place.

  23. cardinalscouldbeworse6666 says: Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM

    Stan Kroenke has the best bad toupee I’ve ever seen.

  24. nowillrepeat says: Jan 17, 2012 10:17 PM

    Does LA even want a team?

    Always thought of it as a basketball/baseball town

  25. nowillrepeat says: Jan 17, 2012 10:19 PM

    No team should be allowed to return to a city that it left.
    ——————————-
    Raiders are about to do it twice.

  26. raidersfreak says: Jan 17, 2012 10:36 PM

    I was at the last Ram game in Anaheim little that I knew that they were leaving the next season I am glad I got to go to that final game. But the sad part I asked my friends dad was where are all the people, and he said this is a baseball stadium LOL.

    In all honesty I think in 1995 the NFL was much different and nobody was telling Al Davis what to do when he moved and the Rams were empty seated at that time.

    But the NFL should of intervened and stopped 1 of the teams of leaving L.A.. With some good ole NFL bribery to the city.

    The NFL could of said if you don’t get a new stadium for the Raiders you are at risk of loosing your team to Los Angeles oh wait…………That is why they left.

  27. Ram says: Jan 17, 2012 10:37 PM

    Actually, screw LA! Let’s move this franchise back to where is truly originated….. CLEVELAND! Cleveland Rams! Granted this was back in the 1930′s and 40′s, but hey, whose counting.

  28. henryholland666 says: Jan 17, 2012 10:49 PM

    To all of you “LA sucks as a football town, that’s why two teams left”, you don’t know what you’re talking about, full stop.

    Quick history lesson:

    Rams: owned by a former lounge singer whose husband died under suspicious circumstances, they tried to extort a new stadium out of the city of LA in the late 70′s; that failed, they moved to the atrocity that was Anaheim Stadium after it was enclosed. If you sat in the upper deck in “right field” for a football game, you might as well been in Mission Viejo. They then started making bonehead moves like alienating Eric Dickerson, all the while *trying to extort a new stadium out of the city of Anaheim*. This went on for years. Anaheim rightly said NO and the lounge singer moved the team to her home town. Where….wait for it….they started bitching about the RCA Dome almost as soon as they moved there.

    Raiders: Al Davis. Do I really need to elaborate? The Raiders were HUGE with the large Latino and Black communities here but the Coliseum was falling apart and was dangerous to go to at night. He tried to extort stadiums out of Los Angeles, Inglewood (at Hollywood Park) and actually got the dumbasses in Irwindale to give him $10 million, which he pocketed right before moving back to Oakland. This drags out for almost 6 years. He tried to…wait for it…extort a new stadium out of the city of Oakland and now they’re stuck with the sh*thole Coliseum, which might even be worse than the enclosed Anaheim Stadium.

    1999: LA is in the hunt for the 32nd team, an expansion team. Competing bids cancel each other out, including movie mogul Michael Ovitz’ stupid plan to build a stadium next to a toxic dump in Carson and the deal dies when the City Council announces that not a penny of public money will go towards an NFL team. That team becomes the Texans.

    Later, billionaire Philip Anschutz, through his AEG entity, makes a huge splash about building a football stadium next to Staples, after which they’ll lure a team from somewhere else. Again, the City Council announces “No tax money for billionaires to build stadiums that will be used 10 times a year” and literally within days, AEG cancels the project. I did temp work for them, the model of the stadium was sitting in the corner of an unused conference room.

    Now: AEG will pay for the stadium itself and lure a team that can’t extort a new stadium out of the city they’re currently in. Hello Spanos Goofs, welcome back Chargers!

  29. roamingabriel says: Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM

    The fact of the matter is that the NFL blackout rule is what drove the Rams from LA. The Coliseum, which was built for the 1932 Olympic games is the only football stadium other than the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.

    The Coliseum is antiquated and holds 100,000 people and has parking for about 25,000. They didn’t consider parking when it was built and it’s all residential around it now. The kind of residential you don’t want to reside in. And when you go there you pay somebody to park in their yard and hope your car is intact when you return after the event. Cars are parked like sardines.

    So, the Rams couldn’t sell it out and were constantly blacked out. So they moved to Anaheim and all was good until they became uncompetitive through poor management. Then St. Louis offered Georgia and the troll in chief, John Shaw a deal she couldn’t refuse…

    LA did not quit on the Rams. The Rams deserted us………….

  30. billybone says: Jan 17, 2012 10:52 PM

    For exposure purposes I would love for the Seahawks to get to play in and watched by the SoCal population to help get some deserved recognition. But it sucks,hurts, and stings like a beach to loose a team (Sonics). I don’t wish it on my worse enemy, so lets hope St.Louis can keep the Rams. Plus LA has the Kardashians, isn’t that enough?

  31. roamingabriel says: Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM

    rosloe62 says:
    Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM
    LA sucks! That’s why there’s no team there now. Why would a team want to move there and then have to move again when there’s no fan support.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The reason a team wants to move here is because there are 33% more people in LA county than there are in the state of Missouri.

    And the amount of wealth around the area the stadium will be built is something that most people can’t comprehend…

  32. bigsexy2288 says: Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM

    Stay in st Luis and keep the raiders in Oakland.

  33. uberniner says: Jan 17, 2012 11:14 PM

    If the Rams move back to LA, they will have an instant fan base and a beautiful new stadium. Stan, get a grip. How can you say “no?”

    Oh…, and being a niners fan from the old days, I’d love to see the old rivalry reborn.

  34. rmavs says: Jan 17, 2012 11:49 PM

    Rams fans unite!! Krunckle Chips owns my beloved Avalanche amd wont think twice about moving the Rams! God bless the o’mighty dollar, he has a penthouse on top of the Pepsi Center. He wants a professional english football team and LA would be the best market in the US for that. Fight the power! Keep the Rams! Uncle Kruncle wont spend a dime to ensure the Edward Jones will be in the top percentage of venues!

  35. rmavs says: Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM

    Oh, I’m also a Vikings fan and I know the Humpty Dome isn’t in the top 25%…glad Krunkles doesn’t own ‘em…at least the Vikes have a fighting chance regardless of an inept state government, and an owner who could open up his wallet a little more.

  36. i10east says: Jan 18, 2012 12:18 AM

    “I prefer the conspiracy theory that Kroenke is moving the Rams to LA and Khan is moving the Jags to St Louis”

    I rather drive a Bentley instead of a Ford, but it ain’t happenin. Get over it, the Jags aren’t going anywhere!!!

  37. drew1969 says: Jan 18, 2012 12:32 AM

    One tiny request for PFT…QUIT EFFN FEAR MONGERING! 2014 is 2 years away and IF the rams and kronke cant work out a lease extension by the end of THIS year then and only then can you dolts that pass as journalists start building your california nfl fallout shelters..ERR stadiums.

  38. raidersfreak says: Jan 18, 2012 12:48 AM

    Ram says: Jan 17, 2012 10:37 PM

    Actually, screw LA! Let’s move this franchise back to where is truly originated….. CLEVELAND! Cleveland Rams! Granted this was back in the 1930′s and 40′s, but hey, whose counting.
    You see the pick on wikipedia of those players badd ass baack then.

    L.A. had a team named the Bulldogs before the rams and the rams had another name but thanks to the Wikipedia blackout protest I can’t get my quick easy facts. besides the L.A. Dons. Rams merged from AFL to nfl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rams

  39. raynitschke66 says: Jan 18, 2012 1:07 AM

    People who say LA lost the Rams due to a lack of interest have no idea what they’re talking about. It’s almost as stupid as saying that Houston lost the Oilers or Cleveland lost the Browns due to disinterest. So many people have this image of empty stadiums, but that was only the case with the Raiders, not the Rams. No person with any sense was willing to take their kids to a Los Angeles Raiders game, but the Rams were known for their family-friendly environment that tied in nicely with the whole Disneyland ambiance of Orange County. Even when Georgia Frontiere gutted the team to pout over not getting a new stadium, they maintained good ratings and attendance. It would probably be a bad idea to put two teams back in LA, but a well managed Rams teams would dive right into a pre-existing fan base with plenty of money to spend. I understand how St. Louis fans would be biased and want to trash LA for losing their team, but they’re being a bit hypocritical if they forget what Bill Bidwill did to them when he moved the Cardinals to Arizona. It was the same exact crap, good fans who lost their team to a greedy owner that wanted a new stadium.

  40. roamingabriel says: Jan 18, 2012 1:35 AM

    henryholland666 says:
    Jan 17, 2012 10:49 PM

    Later, billionaire Philip Anschutz, through his AEG entity, makes a huge splash about building a football stadium next to Staples, after which they’ll lure a team from somewhere else.

    Now: AEG will pay for the stadium itself and lure a team that can’t extort a new stadium out of the city they’re currently in. Hello Spanos Goofs, welcome back Chargers!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    According to Farmer @ LA Times an Anschutz/Spanos deal will not happen. He says it’s Rams or Raiders or both…

  41. NoHomeTeam says: Jan 18, 2012 1:50 AM

    stl45fan says: “No team should be allowed to return to a city that it left.”

    Let’s extend that to say “No city that loses a team should get another one.” Isn’t that right, St. Loui . . . waitaminit

  42. NoHomeTeam says: Jan 18, 2012 1:56 AM

    stlram says: . . . any other team deserves a team before LA. the whole reason why the rams left was because of their inability to draw fans. its no secret that the NFL wants another team in LA because its such a large market. but it will result in the same thing, lots of empty seats.”

    Hard to take you seriously when you don’t proof-read before you hit “submit,” stlram. While we’re at it, how’s the attendance in the St. Louis Dome lately?

  43. peoplesrepublic0fdabayarea says: Jan 18, 2012 2:01 AM

    Los Angeles 49ers! (of Anaheim)

  44. Eric Geller says: Jan 18, 2012 2:20 AM

    One last time for all you LAZY PEOPLE who keep saying L.A. can’t support, or never could support, a team(s)……..

    The Rams called Los Angeles/So. Cal. home for 49 years prior to their move to St. Louis after the ’94 season. Had there not been any fan support in L.A. they would’ve moved way before spending a half century in the city of Angels.

    The ONLY REASON there hasn’t been an NFL team(s) in Los Angeles for 17 years is because no California Government Entity will EVER subsidize a brand new football stadium with PUBLIC TAXPAYER FUNDS. Hence, California currently houses the three oldest and outdated stadiums in the NFL which is why the Chargers, Raiders and 49ers have been mentioned in relocation banter the last…..oh…..17 years.

    That’s going to change soon because two private entities have offered to PRIVATELY FUND new stadiums without taxpayer money being used.

    ENOUGH WITH THE “L.A. NEVER SUPPORTED A TEAM” TALK BECAUSE THAT’S A BUNCH OF B.S.!!!!

  45. pencilmonkeymagic says: Jan 18, 2012 5:24 AM

    “The reason a team wants to move here is because there are 33% more people in LA county than there are in the state of Missouri.”

    Is a larger population a guarantee of ticket sales then? Because it wasn’t the last time round.

    When LA had teams, someone would yell “Surf’s up!” during a game and what little crowd was there would vanish.

  46. worldwidebleater says: Jan 18, 2012 6:48 AM

    St Louis and I? We’re just friends.

  47. stl45fan says: Jan 18, 2012 7:05 AM

    What no one is stating is that the people who are building a stadium in LA want to OWN a team, not have a team just play there! So, who wants to sell a team? Nobody!

  48. docboss says: Jan 18, 2012 10:24 AM

    Some really good points made by LA fans. Some of the information about the history of the franchise is interesting. But, stl45fan brings up an interesting question: why would a group put up their money, in this case almost a billion, so someone else can bring in their team and take all the revenue? Wouldn’t the stadium builder want to own a team or at least the majority ownership? Who is selling? If the stadium builders do not own the team, how do they get their money back if there are no government subsidies, tax credits, etc? Are they counting on developing the surrounding area and reaping the benefits on the real estate?

  49. gmsalpha says: Jan 18, 2012 12:26 PM

    I just don’t see L.A getting this situation worked out anytime soon. For a stadium to work, they’ll need two teams like MetLife Stadium in Jersey. I can’t say I know what is going to happen, but the Vikings are surely going to work something out in MN. The people of St Louis, after having just lost their beloved Albert Pujols (to L.A, mind you), won’t sit around and allow the Rams to move back to Los Angeles. They don’t need a new stadium. They only need upgrades to the EJD. With that said, if after 2014 the Rams DO leave, they don’t deserve another team, having lost the Cardinals to Arizona. Not the peoples’ fault, but it’s no different than the Atlanta Flames moving to Calgary, getting the Thrashers and having them move to Winnipeg. ATL should not get another hockey team. STL should not get another football team.

    As for the Raiders, I think their best best is to move in with the 49ers up in Santa Clara. Again, two teams sharing a stadium is the best solution to any teams in California, due to the issue of public funding.

    That leaves the Chargers, who I believe should move to L.A. But who would their dance partner be? Buffalo is bound to end up in Toronto in my opinion. Jacksonville? I’m not sure what their situation is, but they should never have received a team to start with. That is the only slim possibility I see, but as someone previously said, AEG said Raiders, Rams, or both. He didn’t say Chargers and Jaguars.

    And not that it matters, but wouldn’t it cause some problems having two AFC teams sharing a stadium? I mean, 49ers/Raiders and Giants/Jets are in opposite conferences so perhaps there would be some kind of realignment going on.

    In the end, I simply don’t see anything working out in L.A. It’s not L.A’s fault. It’s not the cities that would lose teams’ fault. It’s just the way it is.

  50. Eric Geller says: Jan 20, 2012 3:45 AM

    But, stl45fan brings up an interesting question: why would a group put up their money, in this case almost a billion, so someone else can bring in their team and take all the revenue? Wouldn’t the stadium builder want to own a team or at least the majority ownership?
    ___________________________________

    AEG, which wants to build the stadium, owns a share of the NHL Kings and NBA Lakers which play in Staples Center, an AEG-built facitlity. Wanting to own a part of the team in exchange for, essentially, a “free stadium” to play in is always a stipulation.

    As is always the case, when a city or private entity builds a stadium for a team (see Edward Jones Dome), those building the stadium demand that a minority ownership share be sold to the person/people building the stadium and relocating the team to the city. Stan Kroenke bought a minority share of the Rams from Georgia when they moved in 1995 with first crack at majority ownership should she or her kids sell, which ended up happening. that’s always the case.

  51. Eric Geller says: Jan 20, 2012 3:49 AM

    @ gmsalpha – Plain & simple, YOU’RE CLUELESS.

  52. Eric Geller says: Jan 20, 2012 4:00 AM

    Is a larger population a guarantee of ticket sales then? Because it wasn’t the last time round.

    When LA had teams, someone would yell “Surf’s up!” during a game and what little crowd was there would vanish.
    —————————————————-

    @pencilmonkeymagic – L.A. is the “Entertainment Capital of the World.”

    Yelling “Surf’s Up” and surfing is one of the MANY great things about living in Los Angeles. So was going to Rams games for 49 YEARS!

    Rams games averaged a minimum of 65,000 people in Anaheim before Georgia said she was moving them. In the Los Angeles Coliseum, the Rams STILL hold four of the TOP TEN NFL ATTENDANCE RECORDS.

    Greater L.A./Orange County is home to 2 NBA TEAMS (soon 3 when the Sacramento Kings move to Anaheim), 2 MLB Teams, 2 NHL Teams and 2 MLS Teams.

    Los Angeles can and will support 2 NFL Teams again very soon.

    Your argument is an old, lazy and ABSOLUTELY FALSE!

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