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The first Robert Griffin to Browns trade rumor emerges

Tom Heckert, Pat Shurmur, Mike Holmgren AP

The Browns need a quarterback badly. They own the No. 4 overall pick in the 2012 draft.

Browns coach Pat Shurmur already made some positive comments about Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, so it was only a matter of time before a report emerged connecting the Browns to Griffin with something more tangible than speculation.

As part of NFL.com’s ridiculously early mock draft party on Tuesday, Steve Wyche projects the Browns will trade up with the Rams for the No. 2 overall pick to take Griffin.

“Cleveland needs Griffin — and wants him, according to league sources,” Wyche writes.

He points out that the Browns have the most ammo of any team looking to move up, and the Rams would probably like to move down but stay in the top five.

This is all way too early, but it makes a lot of sense. It makes so much sense that we expect to hear some variation of this rumor on a regular basis until late April.

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121 Responses to “The first Robert Griffin to Browns trade rumor emerges”
  1. jmagnet28 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:23 PM

    Ugh mock drafts. Already? These are so off all the time it’s a wonder anyone looks at them.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to nfl draft countdown.com to check out their latest one.

  2. highwaiianjahwaiian says: Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM

    I think if they send their 1st rounder(4) and their second and flip thirds it would work cause they could use their second first rounder to foster up their defense

  3. benh999 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM

    Holmgren is going to trade the pick for a can of moustache wax.

  4. jmsincla says: Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM

    I hope it happens. I don’t want to see the Skins sell the farm for one player.

  5. vikings4life22 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM

    Don’t trade with the Rams, flip flop picks with the Vikings instead!

  6. pencepost says: Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    Browns fans: thumbs up if you’d rather have Griffin, thumbs down if you’d rather get Matt Flynn.

  7. kmdp4 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    Makes sense but wont happen as they will sign Flynn in FA’s, who cares what Shurmur says he doesn’t make the decisions there Holmgren does and trading up for a QB will never happen under him.

  8. rascalmanny says: Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    I wouldn’t want to sign with the Browns. If I did I’d be sure to have a way to get out quickly.

  9. chuckxx says: Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    How about we get the Chiefs in the mix with an Orton to Cleveland trade????

  10. stl45fan says: Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM

    If the Browns want RG3, the have to go thru the Rams! The Rams will shop the pick to the Browns, Skins or Fins. The #2 pick guarantees Luck or RG3!

  11. nflsucker says: Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM

    Who’s he going to throw to?

  12. weismobile says: Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM

    Factory of Sadness

  13. therealsmiley says: Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM

    Why would they need to trade up? Rams won’t take Griffin….if they’re saying they will…go ahead. Cleveland can sit and picke em’ in their current spot. I hope they do. We’re not selling out to get anyone. There’s good talent at the 6th spot too. Hail!

  14. roamingabriel says: Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM

    If he ends up in Cleveland I want to be the first to offer my condolences to RGIII,,,

  15. austrianpanther says: Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM

    RG3 will be a member of the New York Jets in the 2012 season!

  16. lolb23 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM

    Rams would be dumb to pass on Kalil at 2 if they don’t want to ruin Bradford.

  17. jimmymcnultysbottleofjameson says: Jan 17, 2012 1:34 PM

    “Don’t you mean Robert Griffin Jr.?”

    Linda Cohn

  18. randolf711 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM

    So their coaches and offense have a horrible year and then blame it on Colt McCoy. That makes a lot of sense. They set him up to fail and they should reevaluate how they run their offense.

  19. tropicpurple says: Jan 17, 2012 1:39 PM

    @therealsmiley

    They have to trade up, becase if they don’t other teams like Washington, Dolphins will trade their bounty with the Vikings at #3.

    If not, and Browns do trade up (crossing fingers) that means we (the Vikings) get Kalil. Nice!

  20. tdotbronco says: Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM

    I feel bad for Robert if he goes to Cleveland. Not even lebron wanted to be there.

  21. morty999 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM

    therealsmiley says:
    Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM
    Why would they need to trade up? Rams won’t take Griffin….if they’re saying they will…go ahead. Cleveland can sit and picke em’ in their current spot. I hope they do. We’re not selling out to get anyone. There’s good talent at the 6th spot too. Hail!
    _________________________________

    Because if Cleveland does not make a trade with the Rams for the #2 pick, another team that wants RG3 will trade for that pick to get ahead of Cleveland, and draft RG3. That leaves no RG3 for Cleveland’s 3rd pick.

  22. getadealdonealready says: Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM

    Good move browns, move up to 2 take RG3, and leave Kalil on the board for the Vikings, everyone wins!

  23. huskersrock1 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:43 PM

    Use your extra picks to fill out the roster with quality players and make a good offer for Flynn.

  24. 4512dawg4512 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:43 PM

    This is good news, I just hate the system that the Browns are running. At least they’re trying to do something though

  25. jaggedmark says: Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM

    Cleveland sports fans need a star. RGIII fits that bill.

  26. blue18hutthutt says: Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM

    Akili Smith Pt.2

  27. stl45fan says: Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM

    Rams would be dumb to pass on Kalil at 2 if they don’t want to ruin Bradford.

    ——————————————————
    Rams want the trade with the Browns. Then they get Kalil who they need or Blackmon who they really need & want.

  28. cmich2006 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:46 PM

    Someone else will likely trade up with the Rams to get him…if they want him they will need to make the move

    “therealsmiley says: Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM

    Why would they need to trade up? Rams won’t take Griffin….if they’re saying they will…go ahead. Cleveland can sit and picke em’ in their current spot. I hope they do. We’re not selling out to get anyone. There’s good talent at the 6th spot too. Hail!”

  29. crindal3000 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM

    Now Griffin hopes to go back to Baylor for another year.

  30. pspring63 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM

    RG3 is not the man they will select. The Browns will trade out of that spot quicker than Rex Ryan can slam a SlimFast. Browns are in a good place with their picks and their arrival to the UFA smorgasbord. Adding another pick by trading out of that 4 position will help to further reinforce the roster.

  31. skinssweepgmen says: Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM

    Of course Cleveland wants Griffin . Check Fox’s Sunday primetime ratings. Cleveland isn’t doing well on his own.

  32. chowtime888 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM

    It’s a good thing the Browns don’t have other needs like RB, LB, WR, OL, DB. And of course there are no other QB’s coming out of Arizona, Texas A&M, Michigan State, Oregon. So yes, let’s all listen to freakn Steve Wyche (clearly an expert on football) and trade 2 firsts to move up 2 spots.

  33. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM

    Redskins fans everywhere are pooping their pants over this news.

  34. tashkalucy says: Jan 17, 2012 1:51 PM

    One minor thing abut the rumor…..

    St. Louis doesn’t have a GM.

    So who says they want to stay in the top 5?

  35. austrianpanther says: Jan 17, 2012 1:51 PM

    austrianpanther says:
    Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM
    RG3 will be a member of the New York Jets in the 2012 season!

    4 35

    Arrogant Nay Sayers!!! What are you, a bunch of Pats fans on this board????

  36. theshakeweight says: Jan 17, 2012 1:54 PM

    How does that solve the problem of

    a) the Browns receivers not being able to get open

    b) the Browns receivers not being able to catch the ball consistently when they are open

    c) the Browns receivers not being able to turn a five yard catch into a monster play, see Hakeem Nicks last week.

    Also the Browns have two week spots on the o-line that will get a QB killed.

    My point so many holes to fill that we can’t be trading away our draft just for one of them when this GM (which I do like) has said he does not like signing many free agents.

  37. JackLeone says: Jan 17, 2012 1:54 PM

    I would not be surprised if they drafted him. That division has Flacco, Rothlisburger & now Dalton. they’re all solidified at QB. It’s time they start to trend upward. The Browns cannot continue to be the whipping boy for the AFC North.

  38. crp63 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:56 PM

    jmsincla says:Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM

    I hope it happens. I don’t want to see the Skins sell the farm for one player.

    They would need to have a farm to sell first….

  39. themightywhitey says: Jan 17, 2012 1:57 PM

    Redskins fan poop their pants because they like the feel of poop in their pants …..and it makes them smell better !

  40. orakpownd says: Jan 17, 2012 1:57 PM

    Hmmmm…

    *Looks at Rex Grossman’s name on the Roster*
    *Throws wrench in Cleveland’s plan*

  41. nineroutsider says: Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM

    I honestly don’t know too much about RG3, but from what I have seen you go for this guy rather than pay Flynn a huge salary based on 2 starts. Dude has AJ Feely written all over him…

    Hope Cleveland goes for it! Losing is the worst and nobody has done it better than Cleveland the last 2 decades. Cleveland fans deserve a lot better than we they get, hope it happens for them.

  42. deadmanwalking47 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:00 PM

    say what you will,if dan snyder wants luck or rg III badly enough,he’ll trade for him regardless of the price!

  43. daysend564 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM

    Why move up to draft RGIII? For little more then can go for Luck. They’d already be looking at #4 and #22 to get to #2. Why not add a 2nd next year and swapping 3rd round picks to get what is supposed to be the best thing since the last best thing!

  44. skito13 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM

    Rams hold THE PICK , whine all you want. A lot of teams wantRG3. Ram’s Ransom. Anty up boys!!

  45. greatminnesotasportsmind says: Jan 17, 2012 2:04 PM

    The only flaw is that Minnesota could use Blackmon. With the Rams already having a franchise QB and won’t take RG3. The Browns would have to pay less to Minnesota and still get RG3 and Minnesota still gets Blackmon or Kalil.

  46. beavertonsteve says: Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM

    Don’t bet against the Skins making a crazy offer to move up and take Griffin. I don’t think the Rams want to miss out on either Khalil or Blackmon so I’m guessing it would cost Cleveland a lot less to make the move, but that doesn’t mean Washington or Miami won’t try.

  47. staff2cj4td says: Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM

    after watching that packers-giants game sunday, I wouldn’t be shocked if Green Bay traded up to get RGIII!!! rodgers is just the new rob johnson!!

  48. illyistic1 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:12 PM

    Make it happen ! Rams fan here we need all The talent we can get

  49. farvefromover says: Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM

    this is stupid

  50. tashkalucy says: Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM

    Interesting comment about the Browns changing their system for Griffen.

    First off, the Browns are committed to it.

    Next, a running QB – Michael Vick did pretty good in it, and another running QB (that played for Holmgren) Steve Young went to the Hall Of Fame running the system.

  51. maddenisfordorks says: Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM

    RG3 will then have a show on ESPN called the “Decision”

  52. austrianpanther says: Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM

    According to the NFL 2012 Draft Selection, there are 15 teams that are worse than The New York Jets!! That’s hard to believe!! We need instant replay during the selction process!!!

  53. baldeagle6 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM

    The ammo the Browns have consists of two #1 picks in the next draft–their own (#4) plus the Falcons’ #1 (at #22) from a draft-day trade last April.

    That’s a lot of juice if they want to use it to move up to #2 ahead of the Vikings and the Rams.

    Does Jeff Fisher want to keep Sam Bradford?

    Do the Vikings want to keep Christian Ponder?

    Fun to watch!

  54. johntonioholmes says: Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM

    Let’s just put it this way: I’m a Steelers fan, and I would laugh if the Browns drafted RGIII.

    You saw how average Rodgers looked throwing to his receivers who dropped like 6 passes.

    Drops are an epidemic in Cleveland. They need talent around the QB.

    Look at how average Joe Flacco is year in and year out, yet the Ravens will always contend with a good o-line, a stud running back, and a solid D.

    I’m not saying RGIII won’t be a good player, I’m just saying that’s not Cleveland’s most pressing need.

    McCoy’s QB play is not great, but he hits his receivers directly in the hands most of the time. If his receivers caught 90% of those drops, McCoy would have respectable numbers.

    Cleveland’s receivers don’t get open, and when they do, they drop passes, and when they actually get open and catch the ball, they lack big-play ability. The won’t change with RGIII.

  55. theytukrjobs says: Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM

    The Rams would love to move to #4 if the team moving up is looking to take RGIII. Vikes would take Kalil and Rams are left with Blackmon, the player they probably want #2 anyways.

    This makes a lot of sense. But the Browns could very well go another direction, or realize that RGIII will be available #4 as long as the Rams don’t trade down with someone else. But if the Rams trade with someone else, then they probably can’t still get Blackmon.

  56. cmutimmah says: Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM

    With the rookie wage scale in place, I have a feeling there are going to be a lot more trades earlier in the first round…

    Can’t wait until draft day.

    What’s that you say? There’s still games to be played this year?

  57. studio26seattle says: Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM

    Why trade up when the Browns can just pick him at #4?!?

  58. balewsquare says: Jan 17, 2012 2:27 PM

    I love how, with this mock draft, Wyche is also foretelling the rest of the playoffs as well. He must be a genius.

  59. trbowman says: Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM

    Cleveland could stay put and draft a better prospect in Tannehill, and target, say, Michael Floyd with their second first rounder.

    They’d be much better off.

  60. getyourownname says: Jan 17, 2012 2:32 PM

    Please, no crazy talk about the Deadskins trading up to get him. They already have their QBs in Grossman and Beck. Shanny staked his reputation on it.

  61. macbull says: Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM

    The Browns want someone to think they are trading up to draft RGIII…but does that sound like something the Browns would let be known, this far out from the draft?

    Given the fact that few, if any, knew about the blockbuster trade the Browns pulled off last year with Atlanta…this sounds like news put out “for a purpose”.

    Now figuring out what that purpose is…that is the real story behind this story.

  62. therealsmiley says: Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM

    Daysend564 said. Why trade all that for the 2nd overall pick when you could throw in more and get Luck? If someone gives up the ranch and moves up to the 2nd overall spot just to pick RGIII……you’re crazy. The Rams are going to overplay their hand on this one. Rams lose leverage because they have a starting QB…an expensive one! Only if the Rams show a willingness to trade Bradford do they gain their leverage back (it can be a ploy). Otherwise, go ahead and draft RGIII…we dare ya’. Please!! Don’t be surprised if Tampa takes em’….new regime…new QB. That’s who Cleveland should be worried about. Bucs can trade Freeman a lot easier than the Rams moving Bradford. Hail!

  63. bdickey33 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM

    Flynn + #4 pick + another 1st rounder

    or

    RGIII + FA WR

    I’m taking the first choice.

  64. waccoforflacco says: Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM

    The Jets get RGIII Bwaahaahaahaahaahaa.

    The Jests and their windbag coach have no extra picks to trade for a ham sandwich….no cap room….an OLD defense with NO pass rush and a fan base made up of some old fart wearing a firemen’s hat.

    If the Jests are lucky they’ll draft a punter with their first pick from Wofford College.

  65. trbowman says: Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM

    This Tannehill/Griffin business reminds me of what I was hearing last year when I said Andy Dalton was better than Blaine Gabbert and, well……

    Surprised Holmgren wouldn’t prefer Tannehill. Elite accuracy.

  66. hdmoyer says: Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM

    @theshakeweight

    Couldn’t agree with you more! If Andy Dalton plays for the Browns he would be getting replaced this year as well. AJ Green made Andy Dalton and I think it would be interesting to see what Colt McCoy could do if he had Justin Blackmon to throw to.

  67. wetpaperbag3 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM

    The first rule to pre-draft rumors: Never believe ANY rumor, whisper, or source. When was the last time a franchise (other than the #1 picking team) told the world what they were going to do? It’s all speculation.

    Don’t feed the trolls!

  68. mcconnellrules says: Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM

    All of you Skin haters are just plain ignorant. Dan Synder hasn’t and is still not running the team. Vinny CeRATo (GM) was the main problem in DC, he is gone, but his screw ups still linger. Given that they actually have more then the standard amount of picks this year, its pretty obvious were doing things without him, aka the right way.

    If Washington can trade with the Browns, both teams can get what they want, (richardson and Griffen) at their respected value.

  69. ajschn06 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM

    If the Rams move from #2 to #4, there’s no chance they get Kalil…

  70. cantonbound13 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM

    Ireland should trade his whole draft for Luck or Griffin. It’s not like he’ll make good use of his picks anyway.

  71. realitypolice says: Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM

    Not that RGIII isn’t going to successful, I think he is.

    But if I am in the Browns position, I take Justin Blackmon with #4 (or trade to 3 if I need to) and sign Matt Flynn, if you can get him.

    Blackmon will be a certified monster from the day he takes the field and Matt Flynn is going to be a top 10 QB in this league, IMO.

    Use other picks or free agency to beef up that line, and I think you just might have yourself a playoff team there, folks.

  72. earthtopft says: Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM

    Seems appropriate, Rubber Gasmask !!!, the face of Cleveland football.

  73. freebird2011 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM

    The Browns could use WR Justin Blackmon, so whoever plays QB has someone to throw to, or alternatively, if Peyton Hillis leaves via free agency, the best RB in the draft, Trent Richardson.

    The Browns could get by with QB Colt McCoy for another year and draft someone like Tannenhill or Foles at No. 22 overall.

  74. kicksave1980 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM

    As a Rams fan, I really hope they take Blackmon. Been burned too many times with overhyped OL players.

    The OL needs help, obviously, but one thing that can not be overstated is the need for a playmaking WR. The lack of offensive weapons is making the OL look worse than they are. An offensive line can give Bradford all the time in the world, but it doesn’t matter when no one can get open.

  75. bigbluefan1 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM

    You know a team that really needs a QB is the Packers after only scoring 2 FG on Sunday night they really need some help at QB

    And the two TD’s do not go the Packers they go to the 3 Blind Mice that called the game

    Does the packers being out mean no more of those idiot commercials ?

  76. gmen1987 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM

    therealsmiley says:
    Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM
    Why would they need to trade up? Rams won’t take Griffin….if they’re saying they will…go ahead. Cleveland can sit and picke em’ in their current spot. I hope they do. We’re not selling out to get anyone. There’s good talent at the 6th spot too. Hail!

    ==================================
    Goobs,

    If Cleveland doesn’t move up, there will be plenty of other teams willing to trade with either the Rams or Minnesota.

  77. gmen1987 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM

    Cleveland would probably would have to surrender both of their first round draft picks along with some lower ones and some swaps. The Rams want players now, not in 2013.

  78. therealsmiley says: Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM

    Ms. Goobs?

    Like? Who?

  79. realitypolice says: Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM

    nineroutsider says:
    Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM
    I honestly don’t know too much about RG3, but from what I have seen you go for this guy rather than pay Flynn a huge salary based on 2 starts. Dude has AJ Feely written all over him…
    =============================

    Why do you say that? Are you basing it on any type of facts are you just making the typical knee-jerk reaction?

    Flynn has been far more impressive than Feely was, and far more impressive than Kolb was as well.

    Why is everyone so quick to throw out the names of guys who failed after being given starter money after only a few starts?

    Why not throw out the names of guys it worked out pretty well for- Matt Schaub, Matt Hassleback, Matt Cassel (maybe not the greatest example, but he has his moments). Even Brett Favre had to go somewhere else to get his chance to start.

    There is nothing Flukey about Matt Flynn’s accomplishments on the field. He has great games against really good teams.

    I’ll take that over a rookie who has never taken a snap in a pro style offense- especially when I can instead use that pick to team Flynn up with a beast like Justin Blackmon.

  80. vikings4life22 says: Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM

    nineroutsider says:
    Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM
    I honestly don’t know too much about RG3, but from what I have seen you go for this guy rather than pay Flynn a huge salary based on 2 starts. Dude has AJ Feely written all over him…

    Hope Cleveland goes for it! Losing is the worst and nobody has done it better than Cleveland the last 2 decades. Cleveland fans deserve a lot better than we they get, hope it happens for them.

    ———————————————-
    Or Scott Mitchell???

  81. 11wheatd says: Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM

    Geez you guys just don’t get it. If the Browns want RGIII, they’ll have to trade with either the Rams or Vikings. No, RGIII won’t just drop to them at 4. Washington, Miami, Kansas City, and other teams could easily trade up with the Rams or Vikings and draft him. That’s why the Browns have to trade with one of those 2 teams, most likely Rams. Because if they do trade with the Vikings, then, let’s say Washington, can trade with the Rams for him. If the Browns trade with the Rams, they’ll get him, no doubt. Sure they’ll give up more, but if you really want your player, you’re going to do what it takes. That’s why teams won’t likely trade with Vikings for RGIII because another team could just trade the Rams for him.

    It’s a great trade for the Rams. They move down to 4 and gain an extra 1st (22nd pick) this year from the Atlanta trade last year with the Browns. With the #4 and #22, they cant get Blackmon or Reiff (LT of Iowa) who’s just as good as Kalil, and another 1st round talent.

  82. squared80 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:10 PM

    That’s rediculous. The Colts aren’t taking Griffen. The Rams aren’t taking Griffen. The Vikings aren’t taking Griffen. The only reason to trade up is if you think someone else will (i.e. Washington), in which case you trade up with MINNESOTA, not ST. LOUIS.

  83. MikeHolmgren'sChins says: Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM

    The media will have RGIII doing everything from reforming the Beatles to finding the cure for cancer between now and april. Cam Newton took a ride in the “spin machine” last year and it looks like Griffin is the next hot headline for this year’s draft.

    I can say to this as someone who has followed cleveland browns football for over 30 years is “Nuts”.

    Holmgren + Heckert + Shurmur would be much more inclined to target Sam Bradford if and I stress IF they were in the market for a high priced QB. The reality of the matter is the Browns will bring in a veteran to compete w/McCoy.

    If you are going to give up that much to move to # 2 you might as well target Luck or Bradford. I think the Browns are more interested in Justin Blackmon then RGIII in all honesty. Claiborne, Blackmon or Kahil would more than fill any of 3 postions where the Browns will need help. Besides with Fisher coming into St. Louis, who knows if he wants to keep Bradford and his large contract?

  84. skito13 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM

    Yes the goons just do not get the fact they are 1 small part of a big league that is waiting for them to do squat. It’s either u or someone else”boys”. Ram’s Ransom, read it and Whine.

  85. slicknick4point says: Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM

    RG3 to Cleveland makes perfect sense but trading up doesn’t? Why would the Rams or Vikings take him when they are set on a franchise QB? If one of them takes him to provoke a trade, pull the trigger then. Shouldn’t have put your cards on the table to begin with.

  86. td40 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM

    Gotta love all the geniuses who kindly inform us that RGIII will not be happy if he has to go to the Browns… as if the top few draft picks ever go to GOOD teams.

    I’m sure Luck or Griffin would love to be drafted by the Giants or the Packers or The Saints or whoever… in Bizarroworld.

  87. dave1961 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM

    Sreve Wyche is a Cinci dude. He knows nothing about the Cleveland Browns. The Browns are hoping someone trades over them to land Justin Blackmon, if Blackmon is gone, Heckert will trade down, not up.

  88. nickster31 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM

    pspring63 says: Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM

    Browns are in a good place with their picks and their arrival to the UFA smorgasbord. Adding another pick by trading out of that 4 position will help to further reinforce the roster.

    ***********************************************

    Really? You do understand that the free agent smorgasbord will mean that the Browns actually have to convince players to come to Cleveland, right?

  89. gmen1987 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM

    MikeHolmgren’sChins says:
    Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM
    The media will have RGIII doing everything from reforming the Beatles to finding the cure for cancer between now and april. Cam Newton took a ride in the “spin machine” last year and it looks like Griffin is the next hot headline for this year’s draft.

    I can say to this as someone who has followed cleveland browns football for over 30 years is “Nuts”.

    Holmgren + Heckert + Shurmur would be much more inclined to target Sam Bradford if and I stress IF they were in the market for a high priced QB. The reality of the matter is the Browns will bring in a veteran to compete w/McCoy.

    If you are going to give up that much to move to # 2 you might as well target Luck or Bradford. I think the Browns are more interested in Justin Blackmon then RGIII in all honesty. Claiborne, Blackmon or Kahil would more than fill any of 3 postions where the Browns will need help. Besides with Fisher coming into St. Louis, who knows if he wants to keep Bradford and his large contract?

    ==============================
    The question is who would take Sam Bradford and his large contract. And would the Rams really want to trade Bradford, who is a better prospect than RGIII.

  90. theshakeweight says: Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM

    Next time I see Sam Wyche I am going to throw a snow ball at him…he has coming to him.

  91. savocabol1 says: Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM

    johntonioholmes says:
    Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM
    Let’s just put it this way: I’m a Steelers fan, and I would laugh if the Browns drafted RGIII.

    You saw how average Rodgers looked throwing to his receivers who dropped like 6 passes.

    Drops are an epidemic in Cleveland. They need talent around the QB.

    Look at how average Joe Flacco is year in and year out, yet the Ravens will always contend with a good o-line, a stud running back, and a solid D.

    I’m not saying RGIII won’t be a good player, I’m just saying that’s not Cleveland’s most pressing need.

    McCoy’s QB play is not great, but he hits his receivers directly in the hands most of the time. If his receivers caught 90% of those drops, McCoy would have respectable numbers.

    Cleveland’s receivers don’t get open, and when they do, they drop passes, and when they actually get open and catch the ball, they lack big-play ability. The won’t change with RGIII.

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    You obviously didn’t watch the Browns much. Mccoy couldn’t hit the side of a barn if it were open. He constantly over threw his receivers in short situations. Mccoy gets too nervous in the pocket and rushes most of his throws. And before you try to say that was because of a terrible o-line, I disgree. I would say the o-line was above average in 2011.

  92. bigdawgy54 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM

    What concerns me is a comment made this week by The Cleveland Plain Dealer’s, Tony Grossi. He claims to be getting vibes that the Browns are going to select for defense.
    That would piss me off!!! There are needs there, no doubt about it. But, the offense needs a bonafide quality quarterback! Not one that just improves a bit because he has more talent around him.
    Griffin has “FAR” more potential than McCoy ever will have! H & H must try to draft a quality QB or go after one in free agency.
    The quarterback position is a glaring need in Cleveland.
    No sense buying the ammo if you don’t have the gun!

  93. klownboy says: Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM

    God bless Robert Griffin III if he ended up in Cleveland – where promising careers hit the crapper…

  94. lilrob10201 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM

    They need a WR more then a QB.I say they take the number 2 spot and draft Justin Blackmon.

  95. maryannwiththeshakyhands says: Jan 17, 2012 4:19 PM

    This scenario is nothing new, Andrew Perloff of Sports Illustrated.com posted this exact same story on 1-10-12. Either way its not going to happen. The Browns can’t go wrong by sitting at #4 and taking the best player at any position for which they have a need at every damn one.

  96. zero5659 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM

    Cleveland doesnt need to trade up to get RGIII. The Rams want either Blackmon or Kalil and if they trade out of the 2nd spot to give another team RGIII the Vikings and Browns will end up drafting Blackmon and Kalil. Both teams need WR and Oline help as do the Rams.

  97. zero5659 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM

    savocabol1 says:Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM

    johntonioholmes says:
    Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM
    Let’s just put it this way: I’m a Steelers fan, and I would laugh if the Browns drafted RGIII.

    You saw how average Rodgers looked throwing to his receivers who dropped like 6 passes.

    Drops are an epidemic in Cleveland. They need talent around the QB.

    Look at how average Joe Flacco is year in and year out, yet the Ravens will always contend with a good o-line, a stud running back, and a solid D.

    I’m not saying RGIII won’t be a good player, I’m just saying that’s not Cleveland’s most pressing need.

    McCoy’s QB play is not great, but he hits his receivers directly in the hands most of the time. If his receivers caught 90% of those drops, McCoy would have respectable numbers.

    Cleveland’s receivers don’t get open, and when they do, they drop passes, and when they actually get open and catch the ball, they lack big-play ability. The won’t change with RGIII.

    ________________________________

    You obviously didn’t watch the Browns much. Mccoy couldn’t hit the side of a barn if it were open. He constantly over threw his receivers in short situations. Mccoy gets too nervous in the pocket and rushes most of his throws. And before you try to say that was because of a terrible o-line, I disgree. I would say the o-line was above average in 2011.
    ________________________________
    How do you know the receiver did run the route wrong? The west coast system has a lot to do with timing…could be the receivers arent doing there part.

  98. godofwine330 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM

    There is far too much time between now and April, but I think the Browns are more likely to sign Flynn than they are to trade away their second first or any other draft picks. If RG3 is there at #4 then take him, but don’t reach for him. Why?

    They need so much.

    RB-It has become known that Hillis isn’t the answer at runningback and “Mr. Stutter-step Cut” Hardesty isn’t the answer, either. So they are going to need a RB.

    WR-They have no #1, maybe Little is a #2, and a bunch of #3 WRs. So Blackmon is a better pick IMO than trading up and giving up who knows what.

    RT/G-With Turnstile Pashos in there no QB is safe. Second 1st rounder should be RT.

    Fast LBs-even with wo big guys up the middle we had one of the worst run defense in the league. We need a fast LB

    FS/CB-another corner would be great, but we lacked speed and awareness at the FS position. TJ Ward makes a good strong, but we need help on the other side, preferably with some speed.

    We need more help than just at QB, so mortgaging the draft, any part of it, for just one player when we have so many holes is pointless. If RG3 is there, take him. If not, best player available.

  99. zero5659 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM

    Cleveland doesnt need to trade up to get RGIII. The Rams want either Blackmon or Kalil and if they trade out of the 2nd spot to give another team RGIII the Vikings and Browns will end up drafting Blackmon and Kalil. Both teams need WR and Oline help as do the Rams.
    __________________________________

    Also if you look at the point system for trading draft picks (which NFL teams use), the redskins would have to trade every pick in this years draft in and still be short 80 points in order to move from 6 to 2.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

  100. MikeHolmgren'sChins says: Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM

    @gmen 1987
    The answer to your question might be the Browns if Bradford were available. Shurmur was his former offensive coordinator and Holmgren thought about trading most of the Browns picks to trade up to get Bradford in 2009. It is because of his huge contract that he might be available a little cheaper than trading up for Griffin at #2. It would be crazy to trade two first rounders plus whatever else to move up two spots that high to draft someone as unproven as Griffin. Bradford was also injured most of this season so his value might be a little less. I agree with you that Bradford is the better player.

  101. mox19380 says: Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM

    Maybe someone could explain why the Browns would need to move up at all. We can assume RG3 is the 2nd QB off the board and when I look at the top four only two should really be in the market right?

    It seems like a stretch to think that both the Colts and the Rams/Vikings would take Qb’s given their situations.

    More generally though how’s this solve the Browns problems? They need an offensive playmaker not another QB with no one to throw to

  102. therealsmiley says: Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM

    godofwine330 – exactly!! No one is going to mortgage their future to draft RGIII…especially a team with a lot of needs. Rams can demand all they want….it’s the market that determines what will be paid. You’re not going to get a king’s ransome for that spot….not this year. There’s too much talent at the top of the draft to go all in for one player…unless it’s Luck, and the Colts aren’t giving that spot up unless you give up at least 3 1st rounders and a couple of 2nds….and maybe a player.

    From the Skins perspective….I would trade this years 1st round picks…and maybe a 3rd this year….or a a 2nd next year. Even then….I’m more apt to take a chance on a free agent instead. We can burn through money rather than picks. Hail!

  103. maddogwhite says: Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM

    Please, Browns, take RGIII. This Steelers fan would LOVE to see it!

  104. mwcarolina says: Jan 17, 2012 6:55 PM

    RG3 will be a member of the New York Jets in the 2012 season!
    —————————————————–
    that’s just funny. i just cant see a team like the Rams trading THAT far back. if they trade back it will be in my book to either 4 or 6. i think Miami will be in the mix, but in the end, i see them getting Matt Flynn. NOW, if the Browns DO get RG3, what happens to Colt McCoy??? This Redskins fan would love to see Colt McCoy in Washington, i dont think he’s a bad player, though i admit, he’s not great.

  105. Shurmur Is A Joke!!!!!!!!! says: Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM

    McCoy vs. Beck vs. Grossman for the starting job of the Redskins – that would be an interesting battle. I like Colt McCoy but I don’t think he is the future in Cleveland. He might just end up getting traded.

  106. kingcarlbanks says: Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM

    Fact is the Browns have too many holes and trading picks to get a Qb makes no sense. The offensive line has too many holes and the WR talent on this team is mediocre at best. All they’re gonna do is get that kid killed facing the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals twice a year. Sign Flynn and use the picks you have to shore up the holes. And for God sake whoever the Browns get at Qb, get him some talent to protect him and some viable options at WR and TE.

  107. mrfrostyj says: Jan 17, 2012 9:00 PM

    So Cleveland is blaming their quarterback for not being able to run an offense that has lead the league in drops since before he even got there and believes the answer is another quarterback seemingly throwing to the same guys who dropped passes from the other what? 4 QB’s in the last 2 seasons. Sounds smart

  108. johntonioholmes says: Jan 17, 2012 9:26 PM

    savocabol1

    I go to school in Northeast, Ohio. I saw more Cleveland games this year than Pittsburgh games.

    Injuries to the O-line made their run-game lass effective. Consequently, McCoy was less effective.

    Plus, Shurmur is a miserable play-caller. I know McCoy’s arm isn’t strong, but he is able to throw somewhat down-field. Shurmur never runs a play more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage.

    McCoy certainly made some errant throws this season, but so did Tim Tebow. The big difference was that Tebow’s receivers turned in big plays.

    I want you to imagine Greg Little stiff-aring Ike Taylor on his way to the end zone–yeah, it wouldn’t happen because A) Little wouldn’t have been open B) if he was, he would have dropped it and C) in the off-chance that he did catch it, he would have been tackled!

    This is a pass-happy league but the 9ers and Ravens showed what a team can do with average QB play, as long as they have play-makers around them.

    A one-man show like Peyton Manning apparently had in Indy is just hard to come by.

  109. johntonioholmes says: Jan 17, 2012 9:30 PM

    mrfrostyj

    You nailed it.

    Rodgers, Brady, and Brees could all be in the Browns’ backfield, and that offense would still be inept without some quality play from the supporting cast.

  110. zerodime says: Jan 17, 2012 10:00 PM

    The Browns are not going to trade up for RG3. He will still be there at #4 and the Browns will trade down with Washington or Miami and grab an additional 2nd rounder. They have to many holes that need to be filled quicker than QB. Plus the guy the Browns actually wanted this year is still wearing a a trojin’s helmet.

  111. dave1961 says: Jan 17, 2012 10:07 PM

    Steve Wyche /Cinci native and Mike Maylock Pittsburgh player got their wires crossed on their anonymous source. The rumor going around Cleveland is that Cinci Owner Mike Brown is trading pick 17 and pick 21 for Clevelands 22 pick…this is a classic Cinci move! What a bogus rumor started by the NFL.com network that doesn’t even cover our team.

  112. akbrownsfan says: Jan 18, 2012 12:18 AM

    They should draft Blackmon We need big phyiscal WRs in the AFC north

  113. oldcracker says: Jan 18, 2012 2:07 AM

    ” Steve Wyche projects the Browns will trade up with the Rams for the No. 2 overall pick to take Griffin.”

    Seriously? We’re listening to Steve Wyche? Get serious.

  114. oldcracker says: Jan 18, 2012 2:25 AM

    Mike Holmgren calls Tom Heckert his car salesman for a reason.

    Heckert will draft the best player that fills a hole, of which there are many. If such a player is no longer available, he will trade down and pick up picks.

    I don’t care if Peyton Manning 2.0 is available, he cannot throw TD’s if he’s eating turf, or if there are no targets to C-A-T-C-H the damn ball!

    Get a veteran QB familar with the WCO to work with Shurmur and Colt. Then let Colt fly or fall. Blackmon or Kahil would help but there are other very good WR’s & OT’s available. Trade down, pick up picks, there is no reason to panic.

    We are still a couple of years (and a couple more drafts) away from contending for anything. Keep building the foundation, plan for the long run like the Steelers, Pats, Packers, etc.

    I am more concerned about the Browns ability to develop players that are drafted. How do the same teams remain at the top, year after year, despite drafting at the bottom of the order??

  115. truthserum4u says: Jan 18, 2012 2:34 AM

    @ realitypolice

    There’s no way Matt Flynn is a top 10 QB in the NFL. You ask what people base the Feeley, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell & Kevin Kolb comparisons on? I ask what you base the top 10 comment on?

    Is it based on just two games? Games inwhich the opposition didn’t know he was starting and didn’t prepare for him. Games inwhich no one had any game tape of him so they couldn’t prepare anyways. Games inwhich he had absolutely no pressure on him to perform.

    Flynn isn’t going to be throwing to a receiving corp as talented as the one he was tossing it to in Green Bay. He’s not going to be facing weak pass defenses every week as he did in his two starts.

    I think the observations I listed had as much or more to do with Flynn’s success than his talent. That’s why people are making the comparisons to the NFL’s version of one hit wonders. They may be wrong, but there’s a greater than 50% chance he’s nothing more than fool’s gold.

    Hope I’m wrong though, because the more good QBs in the league makes for better football to watch.

  116. shadylamp says: Jan 18, 2012 2:58 AM

    So Heckert uses a computer draft board algorithim he created to calculate who is going to drop in the draft based on the others’ teams needs. Based on what I’m seeing from some of these early mock drafts, Trent Richardson RB stock is dropping quick due to teams other urgent needs. Theoretically, the Browns could get the top WR at #4 and use that 22 pick to move up and snag Richardson as well. This would be a brilliant move because Hillis is gone. If Heckert thought he was the answer, they would have locked up a deal a long time ago. My prediction: 1st pick: WR, 2nd pick: RB 3d pick: right guard

  117. Dawggpound says: Jan 18, 2012 9:02 AM

    Richardson is the best RB in the draft. I doubt he falls out of the top ten. You might be able to get Lamar Miller later on in the first round. I am not sure if he or David Wilson of VT is the better RB.

    I think Blackmon is and will remain the primary player the Browns target. I cannot see H & H pulling the trigger to get Griffin.

  118. gallogj says: Jan 18, 2012 11:19 AM

    Trade McCoy for Flynn…straight up…right now. Draft Blackmon at 4 and a great O-lineman with Atlanta’s pick…or even a good RB or backup QB there.

  119. rsh1023 says: Jan 18, 2012 11:31 AM

    Here is why the Browns shouldnt do this…

    * Who do the Rams want? Blackmon

    * The only team they will be willing to trade the the #2 pick to is the Browns (they can drop to 4 and get one of those 2 players)

    * The other option is the Redskins at 6, but then they run the risk of not getting either of the guys want.

    * In my opinion the only team that the Rams would trade that pick to drop down, is the Browns or Vikings. The Vikings have Ponder and wont trade up. That leaves the Browns.

    * The Rams arent drafting a QB and neither are the Vikings, the Browns can sit there and get RG3 if they want him without giving up picks.

    * And no, I’m not worried about the Vikings trading out of the 3 spot either. If they do, they lose their shot at a franchise left tackle to protect Ponder. They wont do it.

    Call the Rams bluff and sit tight Browns…you dont need to trade up to get Griffin

  120. gmen1987 says: Jan 18, 2012 4:38 PM

    rsh1023 says:
    Jan 18, 2012 11:31 AM
    Here is why the Browns shouldnt do this…

    * Who do the Rams want? Blackmon

    * The only team they will be willing to trade the the #2 pick to is the Browns (they can drop to 4 and get one of those 2 players)

    * The other option is the Redskins at 6, but then they run the risk of not getting either of the guys want.

    * In my opinion the only team that the Rams would trade that pick to drop down, is the Browns or Vikings. The Vikings have Ponder and wont trade up. That leaves the Browns.

    * The Rams arent drafting a QB and neither are the Vikings, the Browns can sit there and get RG3 if they want him without giving up picks.

    * And no, I’m not worried about the Vikings trading out of the 3 spot either. If they do, they lose their shot at a franchise left tackle to protect Ponder. They wont do it.

    Call the Rams bluff and sit tight Browns…you dont need to trade up to get Griffin

    ==================================
    Goobs,

    The Redskins, Dolphins, perhaps Seattle will be willing to trade up ahead of Cleveland to grab Griffin.

    Cleveland sucked so bad that they even sucked at playing “Rotten for Robert Griffin III”.

  121. todd49401 says: Jan 20, 2012 6:30 PM

    Please no. We have too many holes to fill…what’s the point in bringing in another QB when a guy with potential (McCoy) doesn’t have any weapons around him and shoddy play calling.

    Just draft key cogs and have someone else call the plays and then we can see what McCoy is actually capable of. Look at Alex Smith- someone actually unlocked his potential.

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