Just draft key cogs and have someone else call the plays and then we can see what McCoy is actually capable of. Look at Alex Smith- someone actually unlocked his potential.

* Who do the Rams want? Blackmon

* The only team they will be willing to trade the the #2 pick to is the Browns (they can drop to 4 and get one of those 2 players)

* The other option is the Redskins at 6, but then they run the risk of not getting either of the guys want.

* In my opinion the only team that the Rams would trade that pick to drop down, is the Browns or Vikings. The Vikings have Ponder and wont trade up. That leaves the Browns.

* The Rams arent drafting a QB and neither are the Vikings, the Browns can sit there and get RG3 if they want him without giving up picks.

* And no, I’m not worried about the Vikings trading out of the 3 spot either. If they do, they lose their shot at a franchise left tackle to protect Ponder. They wont do it.

Call the Rams bluff and sit tight Browns…you dont need to trade up to get Griffin

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Goobs,

The Redskins, Dolphins, perhaps Seattle will be willing to trade up ahead of Cleveland to grab Griffin.

Cleveland sucked so bad that they even sucked at playing “Rotten for Robert Griffin III”.

* Who do the Rams want? Blackmon

* The only team they will be willing to trade the the #2 pick to is the Browns (they can drop to 4 and get one of those 2 players)

* The other option is the Redskins at 6, but then they run the risk of not getting either of the guys want.

* In my opinion the only team that the Rams would trade that pick to drop down, is the Browns or Vikings. The Vikings have Ponder and wont trade up. That leaves the Browns.

* The Rams arent drafting a QB and neither are the Vikings, the Browns can sit there and get RG3 if they want him without giving up picks.

* And no, I’m not worried about the Vikings trading out of the 3 spot either. If they do, they lose their shot at a franchise left tackle to protect Ponder. They wont do it.

Call the Rams bluff and sit tight Browns…you dont need to trade up to get Griffin

I think Blackmon is and will remain the primary player the Browns target. I cannot see H & H pulling the trigger to get Griffin.

There’s no way Matt Flynn is a top 10 QB in the NFL. You ask what people base the Feeley, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell & Kevin Kolb comparisons on? I ask what you base the top 10 comment on?

Is it based on just two games? Games inwhich the opposition didn’t know he was starting and didn’t prepare for him. Games inwhich no one had any game tape of him so they couldn’t prepare anyways. Games inwhich he had absolutely no pressure on him to perform.

Flynn isn’t going to be throwing to a receiving corp as talented as the one he was tossing it to in Green Bay. He’s not going to be facing weak pass defenses every week as he did in his two starts.

I think the observations I listed had as much or more to do with Flynn’s success than his talent. That’s why people are making the comparisons to the NFL’s version of one hit wonders. They may be wrong, but there’s a greater than 50% chance he’s nothing more than fool’s gold.

Hope I’m wrong though, because the more good QBs in the league makes for better football to watch.

Heckert will draft the best player that fills a hole, of which there are many. If such a player is no longer available, he will trade down and pick up picks.

I don’t care if Peyton Manning 2.0 is available, he cannot throw TD’s if he’s eating turf, or if there are no targets to C-A-T-C-H the damn ball!

Get a veteran QB familar with the WCO to work with Shurmur and Colt. Then let Colt fly or fall. Blackmon or Kahil would help but there are other very good WR’s & OT’s available. Trade down, pick up picks, there is no reason to panic.

We are still a couple of years (and a couple more drafts) away from contending for anything. Keep building the foundation, plan for the long run like the Steelers, Pats, Packers, etc.

I am more concerned about the Browns ability to develop players that are drafted. How do the same teams remain at the top, year after year, despite drafting at the bottom of the order??

Seriously? We’re listening to Steve Wyche? Get serious.

You nailed it.

Rodgers, Brady, and Brees could all be in the Browns’ backfield, and that offense would still be inept without some quality play from the supporting cast.

I go to school in Northeast, Ohio. I saw more Cleveland games this year than Pittsburgh games.

Injuries to the O-line made their run-game lass effective. Consequently, McCoy was less effective.

Plus, Shurmur is a miserable play-caller. I know McCoy’s arm isn’t strong, but he is able to throw somewhat down-field. Shurmur never runs a play more than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage.

McCoy certainly made some errant throws this season, but so did Tim Tebow. The big difference was that Tebow’s receivers turned in big plays.

I want you to imagine Greg Little stiff-aring Ike Taylor on his way to the end zone–yeah, it wouldn’t happen because A) Little wouldn’t have been open B) if he was, he would have dropped it and C) in the off-chance that he did catch it, he would have been tackled!

This is a pass-happy league but the 9ers and Ravens showed what a team can do with average QB play, as long as they have play-makers around them.

A one-man show like Peyton Manning apparently had in Indy is just hard to come by.

From the Skins perspective….I would trade this years 1st round picks…and maybe a 3rd this year….or a a 2nd next year. Even then….I’m more apt to take a chance on a free agent instead. We can burn through money rather than picks. Hail!

It seems like a stretch to think that both the Colts and the Rams/Vikings would take Qb’s given their situations.

More generally though how’s this solve the Browns problems? They need an offensive playmaker not another QB with no one to throw to

Also if you look at the point system for trading draft picks (which NFL teams use), the redskins would have to trade every pick in this years draft in and still be short 80 points in order to move from 6 to 2.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

They need so much.

RB-It has become known that Hillis isn’t the answer at runningback and “Mr. Stutter-step Cut” Hardesty isn’t the answer, either. So they are going to need a RB.

WR-They have no #1, maybe Little is a #2, and a bunch of #3 WRs. So Blackmon is a better pick IMO than trading up and giving up who knows what.

RT/G-With Turnstile Pashos in there no QB is safe. Second 1st rounder should be RT.

Fast LBs-even with wo big guys up the middle we had one of the worst run defense in the league. We need a fast LB

FS/CB-another corner would be great, but we lacked speed and awareness at the FS position. TJ Ward makes a good strong, but we need help on the other side, preferably with some speed.

We need more help than just at QB, so mortgaging the draft, any part of it, for just one player when we have so many holes is pointless. If RG3 is there, take him. If not, best player available.

johntonioholmes says:
Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM
Let’s just put it this way: I’m a Steelers fan, and I would laugh if the Browns drafted RGIII.

You saw how average Rodgers looked throwing to his receivers who dropped like 6 passes.

Drops are an epidemic in Cleveland. They need talent around the QB.

Look at how average Joe Flacco is year in and year out, yet the Ravens will always contend with a good o-line, a stud running back, and a solid D.

I’m not saying RGIII won’t be a good player, I’m just saying that’s not Cleveland’s most pressing need.

McCoy’s QB play is not great, but he hits his receivers directly in the hands most of the time. If his receivers caught 90% of those drops, McCoy would have respectable numbers.

Cleveland’s receivers don’t get open, and when they do, they drop passes, and when they actually get open and catch the ball, they lack big-play ability. The won’t change with RGIII.

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You obviously didn’t watch the Browns much. Mccoy couldn’t hit the side of a barn if it were open. He constantly over threw his receivers in short situations. Mccoy gets too nervous in the pocket and rushes most of his throws. And before you try to say that was because of a terrible o-line, I disgree. I would say the o-line was above average in 2011.
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How do you know the receiver did run the route wrong? The west coast system has a lot to do with timing…could be the receivers arent doing there part.