Champ Bailey: Tim Tebow has to learn to throw from the pocket

AP

Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey says he’s behind Tim Tebow as the franchise’s quarterback of the future. But Bailey says Tebow has to prove that he can be a consistently accurate pocket passer before he removes any doubt about his long-term success as an NFL quarterback.

“I think Tim has a lot to prove still,” Bailey said today on Jim Rome Is Burning. “He’s proven he can win some tough games. Now it’s just being consistent. One thing about him, he’s going to work at it. And I’m behind him 100 percent.”

Asked if Tebow will ever be a quarterback who stands in the pocket and reads defenses, Bailey said Tebow has no choice in that matter if he wants to make it in the NFL.

“I think at some point he’ll have to be if he wants to play a long time,” Bailey said. “That’s one area he’s going to have to improve to be elite in this league. But the things he does running the ball — he can make some throws, it’s just being comfortable doing it. He’s got to get better at it, and when he does, the sky’s the limit for him.”

Bailey compared Tebow to Steve Young and Michael Vick, athletic quarterbacks who learned how to use their legs and their arms as complementary attributes.

“I think at some point he’s going to have to improve with his arm, which would make him even more deadly,” Bailey said.

So Tebow is set as the franchise quarterback, just as long as he learns how to become a consistent, accurate passer. Which, considering that Tebow finished the season with a league-worst completion rate of 46.5 percent, may not be a sure thing.

71 responses to “Champ Bailey: Tim Tebow has to learn to throw from the pocket

  1. There is a difference form Vick and Young to Tebow. Those two always could throw the ball a little bit or at least you saw the raw skills to become that. Vick under threw guys some but you knew it could be corrected. With Tebow you don’t see the same raw skills. I see a guy who can’t even throw a good spiral more times than not.

  2. Ehh,

    Vick was a money passer at VT and entered the league as a legit dual threat.

    His first full season saw him hit 55% of his throws for 2,900 yards.

    Agree with rest of article, and it’s obvious Tebow KNOWS what he needs to work on. Not sure why 3,000 people feel the need to point it out.

  3. Tebow’s main receivers both finished at the top of the list, league wide, for dropped passes according to Pro Football Focus. Also he throws the ball away if he doesn’t have a play, and doesn’t dink and dunk for stats the way Drew Brees does. Or Sam Bradford last season.

    Tebow’s passing is fine for a second year pro. With a totally revamped receiving corps from a year ago. They gave him the starting job and traded away his only experienced, reliable, receiver on the same day.

  4. Champ is right, Tebow is one of the most inaccurate passers I’ve literally ever seen, he has a good work ethic so maybe he can fix that but if he keeps passing the way he has been then he wont be around to long.

  5. “Tim Tebow has to learn to throw from the pocket’……and do himself a hugh favor by taking a lesson from the likes of Kurt Warner and keep his religion to himself.

  6. This is great news it has been three hours since the last TBow report. The Tebownistas were starting to think nobody loves the underwear model anymore.

  7. Leave Tim Tebow alone. His season is over. I agree he was a good talker, but I don’t really care what Champ Baily, or anyone else has to say about him anymore. It’s a long offseason. He knows what he needs to do, so does the team. They will work on it and we will see what it does for him next season. Leave him be until then!

  8. Gotta love these defensive “offensive” gurus. I think that Bailey needs to figure why Brady broke out the “Ginsu” on the D. Tebow came in with no reps to speak of and took this franchise to the playoffs. I am a Raider fan and realize that if he learns to pass from the pocket, he will be dangerous.

  9. beastup22 says:
    Jan 18, 2012 5:48 PM
    Shut up about Tebow!!! That is all.

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    If that is how you feel, why even read the article!

  10. Talent + Work Ethic = Young

    Talent – Work Ethic = Vick

    Work Ethic – Talent = Tebow

    Sorry, but you don’t suddenly learn how to throw a football at age 24. Nice guy, huge heart, hard worker, but he ain’t got it.

  11. Tebow had a completion rate TEN FULL POINTS HIGHER than Vick in college. Not to mention that he rushed for as many yards in a single season as Vick did in his college career.

    Tim could carry that little pitbull around in a shopping bag, with Vick’s ugly head poking out the top.

  12. Cam Newton and Tebow have a chance to re-create the QB position in the NFL. Tebow has the arm strength to make all the NFL throws. All he needs is training from someone who knows the QB job…like John Elway.

    Defenses will have a huge challenge dealing with these two if they keep running the ball effectively and also effectively throwing the ball.

    Ask Pittsburgh about that.

  13. Tebow has to learn how to be a precise passer and shorten his release. He can throw the deep ball with time, but he needs to learn how to make the throw Alex Smith threw last week for the game winner. Tight windows and timing throws make elite QB’s in the NFL. He also has to learn how to read coverages, process what he see’s and make he right choice. No more 15, 20, 25 yard sacks. He has alot of work to do and only time will time. One more thing…..take snaps from under center. Lots of work….wow.

  14. enough! let the guy play more than 16 games before you write him off! he needs to work on things which is what the off season is for and since they did not have one last he did about as well as you can expect. he did good enough considering the record they had before he took over and the fact they threw him out there hoping he would flop so they could say they gave him a chance and dump him. people like mds can’t stand the fact that he did succeed so now he must be perfect every game or they say his a flop. listen to him and the broncos won because of defense and lost because of tebow. that would be the same defense and team that was 1-5 when he took over. he has a slump,how shocking for a first year starter as if nobody had before him. what about newton’s last 3 games? not eye poping numbers and losses but he is perfect right? since you have determined what the standard for first year starters is I am sure you will just as critical with rg3 and any other first year starter right?

  15. The fact that Tebow needs to learn to be a consistent pocket passer isn’t news, but having the veterans on his team say it to the press is a big deal.

    Tebow needs to learn how to throw the ball. He should hire Mike Martz as a personal trainer and spend the whole off season working out with him – along with a shink to undo all of the strange mind games Martz plays!

  16. I think Champ forgot to Mention that he needs work on his throwing motion. He has the wind up and release of a Catapult. I’ve seen a 1 armed retarded midget with better throwing mechanics than Tebow.

  17. Tebow’s main receivers both finished at the top of the list, league wide, for dropped passes according to Pro Football Focus. Also he throws the ball away if he doesn’t have a play, and doesn’t dink and dunk for stats the way Drew Brees does. Or Sam Bradford last season.

    Tebow’s passing is fine for a second year pro. With a totally revamped receiving corps from a year ago. They gave him the starting job and traded away his only experienced, reliable, receiver on the same day.

    *******

    I’m willing to bet they dropped so many because he threw wounded ducks way off target, and they were lucky to just get their fingers on the ball.

  18. So effing sick of all this $hit. Will be glad he’s gone from the game. Tebow not Bailey.

  19. Champ has been the quiet leader for this franchise ever since he came over in the Portis trade, so when he says something, people listen.
    His words carry weight that would break a lesser man’s jaw. He is on the money on his assessment.

  20. Did you guys see there story where Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Fran Tarkenton, Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Jim Kelly, Roman Gabriel, Ken Anderson, Brett Favre and JOHN ELWAY all got together at Terry Bradshaws house to watch film together on Tim Tebow? They all started laughing except for Brett Favre, though Favre agreed with the other QBs Tebow had no accuracy he did enjoy watching Tebow throw interceptions in the Buffalo game even though they weren’t into triple coverage (which is Favre favorite type of interception)

  21. earthtopft says:
    Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM
    Tebow’s main receivers both finished at the top of the list, league wide, for dropped passes according to Pro Football Focus. Also he throws the ball away if he doesn’t have a play, and doesn’t dink and dunk for stats the way Drew Brees does. Or Sam Bradford last season.

    Tebow’s passing is fine for a second year pro. With a totally revamped receiving corps from a year ago. They gave him the starting job and traded away his only experienced, reliable, receiver on the same day.

    DUDE—That is the worst analysis I have ever read. Did you not notice he could only throw 2 WR Routes. He throws into the dirt 5 yards in front of the receiver unless he’s out of the pocket. When he does throw from the pocket it likes like someone shot the football with a 50 Caliber rifle. This guy is not an NFL QB. He may work on things this offseason but he cant change a throwing motion he’s had for 24 years. I laugh at the Vick and Young Comparison, they had the mechanics to be a good quality QB. Tebow is a side show who can loft a deep pass every now and then when the defense is playing 9 men in the box. Ambition and Heart can only go so far eventually you have to have the mechanics and he doesnt. Teams will be game planning for his circus act all offseason. He will be a complete bust next year.

  22. august589 says:
    Jan 18, 2012 6:29 PM
    Tebow WILL learn how to pass from the pocket. No one will outwork Tim Tebow this offseason to become better in 2012.

    ……Dude your an idiot too. It doesnt matter how hard he works he does not have the Throwing motion, the release, the pocket presence or the accuracy to be a good NFL QB.

  23. Uncle Rico from N. Dynamite has better throwing mechanics and a better release than Tebow. Plus I didnt see him thanking God for showing him what a Real QB….I think God saw Tom Brady and Tebow on the same field and thought “TEBOW….What was I thinking”

  24. Sounds like he was explaining to me things I’d have to do to become their starting quarterback.
    Did tebow think he could get away with being a quarterback and not throwing the ball?

  25. Please stop with the comments on Tebow being such a hard worker……yeah, like no other NFL QB has a work ethic? All 90+ QB’s…even Mike Vick now…..work hard at their jobs.

    The difference? Tim doesn’t seem to improve much. He still has that crazy low loop in his throw (WHO learns to throw like that?) and still has trouble with spirals and accuracy and reading defenses. These are spell “Kid, here’s your clipboard” for every NFL QB except Tebow.

    Champ’s point is “Son, don’t expect crazy luck and your defense to win games for you again next year. Learn your job!”

  26. John Elway stated it in his last conference call; when you are young, you pick up a rock or clump of dirt and throw it. That is your God given throwing motion. You can not change how you throw but you can improve the strength and accuracy. Tim just happens to have a very awkward motion (girly windup) and we will see if he can get by 2012 training camp.
    Replay to Tebowites above; if your offense can not generate first downs, your defense will be shredded. Remember, the best defense is a good offense. PLUS Jerry Rice stated it took the 49er WR a year to catch Steve Young consistantly.

  27. That fella you guys say can’t do this and can’t do that…………just cleaned up Kyle Orton’s mess and took a going nowhere team to the divisionals.

    You sound like fools.

  28. He completed 46.5% of his passes. He fumbled 13 times. He was repeatedly sacked for 10-15+ yards. He had a QB rating of about 72.

    Are these the stats of your average third-string scrub, or Tim Tebow?

  29. I’d like to hear from Mike Singletary. I’d like to hear his take on the evolution of Vernon Davis from the “Can’t play with him, can’t win with him” incident.

  30. Champ Bailey: Tim Tebow has to learn to throw from the pocket

    WOW!…. Now there’s a revelation.

  31. earthtopft says:Jan 18, 2012 6:12 PM

    Tebow had a completion rate TEN FULL POINTS HIGHER than Vick in college. Not to mention that he rushed for as many yards in a single season as Vick did in his college career.

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    If only what players accomplished in college on Saturday was a reasonable predictor of what they would accomplish on Sundays…

    Of course if it were, we would not have all of those USC quarterbacks who are complete jokes in the NFL!

  32. august589 says:
    Jan 18, 2012 6:29 PM
    Tebow WILL learn how to pass from the pocket. No one will outwork Tim Tebow this offseason to become better in 2012.
    _______________________________

    Your faith is sweet, but some of us remember
    this sham from LAST time. Nearly two years ago, Tebow worked on his mechanics like crazy, had all the press come out to watch, and declared that all that lousy mechanics stuff was
    ancient history.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/tim-tebow-pro-day-new-thr_n_502986.html

    BEFORE he had a single NFL start. Before he showed this year how wildly inaccurate he is.
    Those who still think that Timmy’s passing competence is just around the next corner would do well to remember that this IS the new and improved, “fixed” Tebow delivery.
    Hoping he’ll later morph into something he’s already proved he can’t be is pretty naive.

  33. “That’s one area he’s going to have to improve to be elite in this league”
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    LMAO….That’s an area he needs to improve on VASTLY, just to become below average.

  34. I am beyond sick of people saying to keep his religion to himself! He doesn’t ask for the Camera to go on him while he is praying…that is a networks decision! Tim Tebow has done nothing wrong….he doesn’t listen to you people that have nothing better to do then sit and criticize him about who he is. He is a genuine guy that stays true to himself! He will develop this offseason, I dont care what anyone says about his passing he shows just as much promise as anyone else 316 Yards against the Steel Curtain D….He obviously can do it! To all the Tebow Haters……1-4 w/ Orton to Div. Playoff Round with Timothy Richard Tebow!

  35. Champ will be back with the team, because he just signed his new deal. Get the facts before speaking. As for Tebow, he needs to improve over the off season and come back show if has improved or not. Just like any other team, if he is winning he will be the starting QB and if they are not, then he will be replaced.

  36. ibreathefootball says:Jan 18, 2012 6:18 PM

    Champ Bailey should be worried about how HE can get better. He does make Dwayne Bowe look like Calvin Johnson when they play, overrated!
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    Champ is a future hall of famer who had a great year.

    And usually Champ shuts Bowe down everytime they play. There was the one game where Champ wasn’t always lined up on Bowe and he had 9 catches for 93 yards in the first half. Look at all the other games and see that he was shutdown. One game he didn’t even have a catch. The only other game he did well was during garbage time when the Broncos were up 24.

    Please, do you homework before you start spewing crap out of your mouth like the majority of the self-righteous jerks who read this website.

  37. I’m not saying Champ is a bad player at all, I think that he is an excellent cover corner and a possible HOF’er. He has had some lapses in games this season where he makes some receivers look better than they are also. So, we should be critical of him too, or is he an exception? I don’t believe in publicly criticizing your own teammate after Tom Brady just broke records against your D!

  38. Here is the rub of it all. Tebow has been a QB at a high level for six years now, SEC and NFL, and still throws some of the worst balls that QB at that level ever throws. What makes you think that he will improve after six years, or how bad was he as a freshman?

  39. Give him a full offseason as a starter, he’s earned it. If he doesn’t progress, then decide then what to do about it. He had good games this year and he had bad ones. Randall Cunningham had a similar wind-up throwing motion but Randall had great footwork to go along with it. Tebow needs to sharpen both his throwing motion and his footwork to be successful as a qb in the NFL. He should watch some Randall and Steve young tape.

  40. @ thewizard

    just remember he also did it in a gimmicky, fluke scheme that has already been figured out. If Tebow doesn’t learn a real pro system he’ll be known as a fraud this time next year. Remember the wild cat?

  41. Bailey was great at one time as a CB, but let’s get real. Somebody who’s a part of a defense that gave up 6 TD’s needs to look in the mirror and give himself some advice. Of course from reading the actual article in the Denver Post Bailey’s intent was to protect Tebow. Bailey was reacting to Tebow’s injuries when he got sacked. However, the real reason Tebow got hurt was their offensive line couldn’t stop the pass rush. If the New England defenders were any quicker in getting to the pocket, they would have been in the huddle calling the next play. Staying in the pocket is very good advice if you have a pocket which allows you the time to go through your reads. Most of the game, Tebow was running for his life. And don’t give me the accuracy b.s. His accuracy has improved when his receiver catch the ball or when they are open or when he has enough time to actually go through a progression without having to throw it away.

  42. The only 4 things Tebow is going to do from the pocket:

    1. Say a REALLY QUICK prayer
    2. Throw a wounded duck
    3. Get crushed like a pretzel
    4. Pocket pool

  43. What’s sad is I guarantee none of you haters are Bronco fans that actually watched every single game Tebow has played. Say what ever you want about his throwing motion, the kid WINS! I think Philip Rivers should play TE instead! I’ve never seen someone shot put so many interceptions in my 32 year old life! Did anyone watch the freakin Pittsburgh game? Do you not think Mike Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league? I know for sure their defense was #1 going into that game. Tebow slayed them! I understand how you all are getting sick and tired of Tebow being shoved down your throat because you’re all probably “cleaning up” after happy time with your terrible towels, or doing the “discount double check” with your boy friends while Aaron Rodgers sits at home watching the NFC Championship game. But realize this won’t stop. America wont let it. You won’t let it, because you clicked on an article that said Tim Tebow and decided to blog about it! Love him or hate him, he is the definition of polarizing. Like anyone would give two sheets about what Champ Bailey has to say in the offseason without Tim Tebow. Elway is a business man, not a football player anymore. Tebow generates so much revenue and free publicity for that organization that anyone who is on that payroll would be stupid to say anything negative about him! They need to keep their mouths shut and hope he doesn’t ask to be traded to a team like Jacksonville that believes in him! GB2

  44. Tebow should just drop the religious stuff anyway, he cant go to heaven anymore after being sodomized by the patriots. it was like watching deliverance with the whole pats defense taking turns being the rednecks.

  45. Every time I read a Tebow article, it is laden with excuses. Apparently, it is everyone’s fault but his that he cannot throw. It’s the D’s fault: like any D would not be shredded when your O cannot produce a first down 80% of the time. It’s the coaches’ fault: you know, the guys that changed their playbook to cater to a guy that cannot throw. It’s Elway’s fault for not publicly supporting him: Tebow is too fragile a creature to hear he has to earn his spot. Never Tebow’s fault, though.

  46. Thanks Milehigh! We are going to hear this crap for another 8 months, so be prepared. Tebow haters make me sick to my stomach! If you don’t like Tebow, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY. I agree that anyone needs to earn their job, and nothing should be given to them automatically, but lets give Tim an offseason and an offense that actually suits his playing style before we crucify him! I’ve been a Bronco fan since I was 10 and can admit our team was sub par at best last year! Eric Decker isn’t even a #3 on a “passing team” and Eddie Royal is just a good special teams guy, not a starting WR. Let’s draft a stud safety with our first pick, a true ILB with our second, and for God’s sake lets get one of these super human TE’s that New England, and New Orleans seems to find! Get another RB through free agency (Knowshon is a bust) and call it macaroni!

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