Lions G.M. wishes team had addressed Suh’s cheap shots sooner

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The question of whether Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is a dirty player came up long before his stomp on an opponent caused the NFL to step in with a two-game suspension, but until that Thanksgiving incident, the Lions largely defended Suh against any criticism along those lines.

In hindsight, Lions General Manager Martin Mayhew says he thinks the team could have acted sooner.

“It’s funny how things go,” Mayhew said on 790-AM in Atlanta, via the Detroit Free Press. “I think, early on, he had a couple of borderline sort of plays and, looking back on it, probably not enough people talked to him in those situations.”

But Mayhew says that he’s confident now that Suh’s head is on straight.

“Ndamukong’s a very, very intelligent person, intelligent football player,” Mayhew said. “He has a really solid foundation. Great family, great network of support around him. And he’s going to come through this thing. He’s actually come through it, as far as I’ve seen. He came back with a great attitude, played great down the stretch, and we’re going to put this behind him and move forward next year.”

For the Lions, a bigger issue with Suh may be his production on the field: His sack total declined from 10 as a rookie to four in his second season. But Mayhew said he believes Suh is still an elite defensive tackle.

“He didn’t have some of those splash plays that he had last year, but he played pretty solid and very consistently throughout the season,” Mayhew told MLive.com. “I was happy with him. I wouldn’t trade him for anybody else.”

66 responses to “Lions G.M. wishes team had addressed Suh’s cheap shots sooner

  1. If it gets out of hand with more players than Suh they will have to change their name to the Detroit Jets. It won’t happen I think Suh is the only over the top guy on their team for now atleast

  2. I mean when you’re taking up 3 blockers on a regular basis, it would seem you are carrying your part of the bargain. Suh is the (late career) Randy Moss of O-linemen. Even when he’s not putting up numbers he’s making an impact.

  3. So basically, once it got through to him that it’s not OK to tear heads off and stomp on people, his enthusiasm for his job waned and he became average. Not a good sign.

  4. MM…. ok… so that’s NOT even news… even all of us in DETROIT believe that’s true – WHAT’s the POINT of saying this now?

    It’s time to stop discussing the past, and plan for next year.

    Sooooo… HOW will we stop the RUN???

  5. GM Mayhew may wish he had addressed it earlier but HC Schwartz was encouraging Suhsie’s style of play so Mayhew may want to have a talk with Schwartz.

  6. Anyone who watched the Lions all season knows Suh didn’t have a “down year”. Guys with “down years” don’t command double/triple teams every play.

  7. polegojim says:
    Jan 19, 2012 7:53 PM
    MM…. ok… so that’s NOT even news… even all of us in DETROIT believe that’s true – WHAT’s the POINT of saying this now?

    It’s time to stop discussing the past, and plan for next year.

    Sooooo… HOW will we stop the RUN???
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    PFT has an audience larger than just locals. So, this story from Mayhew’s surprising candor (unlike Millen, he almost never grants interviews) on the “Two Live Stews” show in the ATL is news.

    And, to stop the run you need another stud LB in this Wide 9 scheme. Don’t be surprised if they draft one in April.

  8. Why doesn’t anyone talk about the 49ers who glory in breaking ribs, ankles, etc. How come these guys get a break. They can win sure if they take out a major player through injury not skill.

  9. Gooooo Lions! 🙂 Suh will still get even better. and a healthy fairley will be a nice boost, too.

  10. snoilog says: Jan 19, 2012 7:45 PM
    He plays like a REAL FOOTBALL PLAYER
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    Truth.

    Suh (and James Harrison) play football the way it’s supposed to be played…just like Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, Jack Tatem, Ronnie Lott, and John Lynch used to play.

    Thumbs up if you’re a man.

    Thumbs down if you’re a flag football loving, sissy-soccer-mom NFL “fan.”

  11. lolb23 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 8:11 PM
    Anyone who watched the Lions all season knows Suh didn’t have a “down year”. Guys with “down years” don’t command double/triple teams every play.
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    Ask Haloti Ngata how the position is supposed to be played when you’re commanding so much attention. No frustration. No cheap shots. Just solid play, year in and year out.

  12. Production down but stomps to the head are up. Criminal assault charges are STILL in order for this guy.

  13. No where does Mayhew say “cheap shots” in his interview. Mayhew says, borderline plays should have been addressed earlier to make sure Suh didn’t cross into cheap shots. To assume Mayhew meant cheap shots and put it in the title is sleazy journalism at best. Players have made careers playing on the borderline.

  14. Well, it is nice to see that someone in a position of power in Detroit finally is willing to see and admit what everyone else already knew.

    Now what are you going to do about it? And not just with Suh. He’s the most flagrant but he isn’t the only offender by any means.

    You clean up the stupid penalties and you could have yourself a good team but when you get over 100 penalty yards a game – you never will be more than ‘coulda beens’.

  15. I am all forgiving people another shot.

    I would not give him another chance. How many times will the Owners and GMs and the Coaches tell poor financially struggling fans that a young “Instant Millionaire” won’t be fired for repeatedly attacking people at work.

    I personally do not like to be insulted. Give him a chance? Give someone else a chance.

  16. thefiesty1 says: Jan 19, 2012 9:00 PM

    Production down but stomps to the head are up. Criminal assault charges are STILL in order for this guy.

    __________________________________

    When did he stomp on anyone’s head? He barely grazed the guy’s arm. I was dumb as all get out, for sure. Almost as dumb as your comment.

  17. thefiesty1 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 9:00 PM
    Production down but stomps to the head are up. Criminal assault charges are STILL in order for this guy.
    _______________________________

    What?!?!?! You shouldn’t be allowed to watch football…

  18. What Suh did was wrong and I am sure he knows that now. He has a short fuse he just needs to channel it each and every play in between whistles. If that Offensive Line fella you beat him with your play not by cheapshots.
    Suh is going to alright and he is going to drive offensive coordinators crazy for a very long time. Detroit almost has all the pieces still need a couple more.

  19. ahs2 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 10:05 PM
    thefiesty1 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 9:00 PM
    Production down but stomps to the head are up. Criminal assault charges are STILL in order for this guy.
    _______________________________

    What?!?!?! You shouldn’t be allowed to watch football
    ________________________

    You dribble some guys head off the ground and step on him when you get up. You would be charged with assault. FACT

  20. They should’ve addressed the coverage of the Saint receivers. Would’ve loved to see the Lions take down the Pack in Lambeau, that would’ve been classic!

  21. I don’t care who you’re a fan of. This stuff about “old school”, playing football “the right way”, “real men” stuff needs to stop. Do you realize WHY the NFL is changing? It’s changing because all these “tough guys” that you want to brag about are now SUING the league because of their injuries. It may be a game, but these guys are risking their future health so that we can be entertained. We have enough knowledge now that we can prevent these guys from becoming walking vegetables by the age of 50. And if you can’t appreciate that, maybe you’re the one that needs your head examined.

  22. Suh was wrong for stomping — certainly not the first time that’s happened in the NFL. It was his attitude about it after that got me.

    I’m sure he’ll mature as a person and learn how to conduct himself in that regard. He’s an incredible talent and so young. Sometimes people don’t give enough credit to these 22-year-olds who are asked to do what they do each week.

  23. bspn2 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 8:49 PM
    snoilog says: Jan 19, 2012 7:45 PM
    He plays like a REAL FOOTBALL PLAYER
    ————————————————

    Truth.

    Suh (and James Harrison) play football the way it’s supposed to be played…just like Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, Jack Tatem, Ronnie Lott, and John Lynch used to play.

    Thumbs up if you’re a man.

    Thumbs down if you’re a flag football loving, sissy-soccer-mom NFL “fan.”
    ===================================
    1st, don’t even put Suh in with that group- he’s only played two years, while several of the people that you mentioned are Hall-of-Famers. Suh hasn’t put together that kind of resume. Not even close.

    2nd, that group, for the most part, hit hard and played within the rules of the game for the day, except that scumbag Jack Tatum. Also, Suh shouldn’t be put in with a bunch of DB’s and linebackers.

    Compare to him to other D-Lineman. Some of the greats like Dan Hampton, Bruce Smith, Merlin Olsen, Bob Lilly, and Buck Buchanan. Any cheap shot artists there?

  24. Mayhew is RIGHT! If ONLY Mayhew had been in a position to have influenced this! TRAGIC that this one NOBLE man could see it, yet was POWERLESS to affect it!

    I think this counts as Thursday-morning quarterbacking. And confirms that dysfunction goes right to the top in this organization.

  25. They should have called him on the carpet after the first incident in the preseason and sat him down, possibly the entire preseason. He might have learned that kind of play and ego gratification in meaningless games ultimately hurts the team. Preseason is about looking at walkons, rookies, and players looking for better roster spots. Its about nobody getting injured on either team for no reason. In fact teams often sandbag the opposition, revealing little of their true worth. Coaches often cooperate to maximize benefits for both, and pyrrhic victorys are common. Its counterproductive for an assured starter like Suh to attempt injury once, much less twice, in the preseason. Also inspires enmity among opposing players and teams, for absolutely no reason. Improvement would be drawing holding calls, and eliminate deliberately injurious, unsportsmanlike play. Have to think he may ultimately may find paybacks to be a bitch, as a 300 lb lineman can hurt you, sooner or later, no matter how good you are right now.

  26. The coach was busy dealing with much more important matters – like Jim Harbaugh’s handshake.

  27. They should have listened to me. I’ve been saying that he is dirty, and delusional since he came into the league. and I was right. Easy call.

    As to his touted “intelligence” all I can say is, compared to what? A rock?

  28. It’s changing because all these “tough guys” that you want to brag about are now SUING the league because of their injuries

    Excellent point.

  29. One thing the Suh story has taught me this season: Lions fans are even more idiotic than I thought.

  30. Where does Mayhew say anything about “cheap shots”? You are such a hack MDS…..Mayhew said “border line” plays. Your ant-Lions venom is bordering on ridiculous. Try and remain objective you tool!

  31. shaggytoodle says:
    Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM
    ahs2 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 10:05 PM
    thefiesty1 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 9:00 PM
    Production down but stomps to the head are up. Criminal assault charges are STILL in order for this guy.
    _______________________________

    What?!?!?! You shouldn’t be allowed to watch football
    ________________________

    You dribble some guys head off the ground and step on him when you get up. You would be charged with assault. FACT

    ———————————-
    LOL Helmet to helmet hits should be labeled assault too, under your definition. As should face masks, horsecollars, or any other contact penalties (even illegal hands to the face…). You should probably watch another sport.

    FACT: There were no charges.
    FACT: Nobody’s head was stomped.
    FACT: Nobody’s head bounced off the ground, he pushed a guys head down, but that’s normal bottom of the pile crap. It happens in pretty much every game. Doesn’t make it right, but also doesn’t make Suh this monster you envision him as.
    FACT: There was an average of nearly 2 facemask penalties per game this season (lots of ‘cheapshots’ I guess…)
    FACT: Suh has had three penalties that warranted fine/possible suspension during his career. The stomp, which missed, and 2 hits in the preseason on QBs. Any other incident that you bring up, I will show you 5 occurances in non-Lions games this season where that happened and there was no fine/suspension to the player.
    FACT: Suh needs to be smarter on the field, but doesn’t need to change his game. When the whistle blows, he has to turn off the engine.
    FACT: Lions fans would rather have someone with a mean streak (Suh) than the indifferent players that came before him (Shaun Rogers for example).

  32. @shaggydoodle
    You can also get charged for assault for running full speed and tackling a person. Anyone who would press charges for assault for what Suh did is a bit too sensitive to watch football. You must cry yourself to sleep after a hockey fight.

  33. I bet most people posting on here would LOVE Suh on their D-line – although many wouldn’t admit it.

  34. He’s going to terrorize the NFC North for the next decade. Can’t wait ’till he rips off Aaron Rodgers head and bowls it down the frozen tundra of Lambeau.

  35. This is just the funniest crap I ever read. And its not even the artical, its the uninformed, idiot, bandwagon, crybabies that see a Suh artical and they start sucking thier thumbs.

    @themonster49

    You dont like to be insulted, well if you dont, then research you info before you make a complete idiot out of yourself. I challage anyone to go back to the footage of the “stomp”. Watch the whole game leading up to it, the cheapshots, holding, cheating, and personally trying to hurt Suh. He handled the game amazing until that player was holding Suh up, and another player was trying to injure his knees. Hmmmm, name one person on this site, no in this world that wouldnt try and protect himself.

    Hmm and lets see “Suh had a down year”, but because of double and triple teams, and so much attention put on Suh, players like Levy, KVB, Williams all had banner years. But, Suh dont care about numbers, he cares about his team, wins, and the city of Detroit. Not once all year did he cry about his numbers.

    Scream, cry, insult me all you want. As a proud Detroit fan, I stand by my team, players and city. All you lowlifes can learn a thing or two about honesty, respect, and truth. Be scared cause in all honesty, the Detroit Lions are here. You and Your team will have to respect them, and as much as you hate that, its the truth.

  36. frank booth says:
    Jan 20, 2012 12:19 AM
    bspn2 says:
    Jan 19, 2012 8:49 PM
    snoilog says: Jan 19, 2012 7:45 PM
    He plays like a REAL FOOTBALL PLAYER
    ————————————————

    Truth.

    Suh (and James Harrison) play football the way it’s supposed to be played…just like Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, Jack Tatem, Ronnie Lott, and John Lynch used to play.

    Thumbs up if you’re a man.

    Thumbs down if you’re a flag football loving, sissy-soccer-mom NFL “fan.”
    ===================================
    1st, don’t even put Suh in with that group- he’s only played two years, while several of the people that you mentioned are Hall-of-Famers. Suh hasn’t put together that kind of resume. Not even close.

    2nd, that group, for the most part, hit hard and played within the rules of the game for the day, except that scumbag Jack Tatum. Also, Suh shouldn’t be put in with a bunch of DB’s and linebackers.

    Compare to him to other D-Lineman. Some of the greats like Dan Hampton, Bruce Smith, Merlin Olsen, Bob Lilly, and Buck Buchanan. Any cheap shot artists there?

    ====================

    Yeah. Buchanan played in the same division with the Raiders, AND THEY CHEAP SHOT each other all the time.

    Only then it was called football.

    Suh, is a MAN, straight up. He knocked Aaron Rodgers out of the game, and the Lions won 7-3. The knocked around Tom Brady like a pinata in pre-season, and they’ll be back to wreak havoc, the way it ought to be.

  37. I’ve seen Suh on a few TV shows and he seems like an intelligent person. I think his idiotic behavior on the field is no more than immaturity and once he grows up I think he’ll be a force for years to come.

    The Lions have some very young and immature but talented players. They have the players but so do a lot of teams – they gotta grow up.

  38. This whole thing with Suh is bull. He staged the stomp and all the notoriety to get noticed.

    This guy is anything but stupid. He’s already visioning life after football and want a gig like Warren Sapp has and figures he needed a little attention to put himself on the map.

    He was able to rope himself onto a commentary show last weekend -how many players in the NFL? but he got the nod? Made sure he sounded polished and composed.

    Hopefully he has a better year next year or the word bust will start to arise in the description.

  39. rmc1995 says:
    Jan 20, 2012 8:34 AM
    @shaggydoodle
    You can also get charged for assault for running full speed and tackling a person. Anyone who would press charges for assault for what Suh did is a bit too sensitive to watch football. You must cry yourself to sleep after a hockey fight.
    __________________________

    Yes you absolutely right on if tackling someone, would get someone arrested, but its also part of the game. Just like in hockey hard checks and fights are bound to happen, and when I want to see people beat the snot out of each other I watch the UFC, because they know potential risks are when they get out thier.

    No need to hate on me, because I lost respect for people taking cheap shots. I just replied to someones comments, about what would happen outside of a sports arena.

    Suh’s cheap shots fortunetly didn’t hurt anyone yet, but thats not always the case. I love a good hockey fight, but don’t expect me to have the same level of respect for someone going Todd Bertuzzi on someone, while all the other guys out thier trying to earn a living, playing the sport with some respect for the game.

  40. Do the Lions fans ever stop yapping? They haven’t won anything yet, but they talk like they on their 5th Super Bowl.

  41. When did Mayhew say that Suh was taking cheap shots? Way to write a headline that puts words in Mayhew’s mouth and falsely characterizes what he said!

    No surprise this is from Sun-hater/Lion hater MDS.

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