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Did he win in the 90′s? That would be 2 distinct eras, silly.

back to the topic, Walsh changed entire offenses. I will say Belichick was able to create players and use role players in the most effective and resourceful ways. He will certainly be in that conversation with a win in February.

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Of course he is.

He’s the best coach in history at cheating…

interesting point made earlier as well about what else was on the tapes that were destroyed.

Of course, Jimmy Johnson’s well publicized comments about how he was taught to do it ” 18 years earlier in KC” I believe, underscores at least 2 other important considerations.

The smaller of the 2 is: How much did Video Taping assist, enable and/propell Jimmy’s teams to create what was the last known Dynasty prior to NE?
The answer for that questions is the same answer as it pertains to NE: NO ONE will ever know.
Yet, scrubs keep harping on it as if this is the only reason that Belichick and Brady ever won anything.
Kinda silly when you really look at it.

The other larger point is that the NFL is, and has been for quite some time, a “Copy Cat” league.

Can any fan from any area claim state without question, that their team was not doing the same thing all those “years”?
If they weren’t then they MAY have been at a competititve disadvantage.
Or maybe they were all just “saints” and “fair-play” type teams??? See no evil hear no evil?

This leagues on field competitiveness is exceeded only by the corporate bottom line. Somehow, It’s difficult to envision a franchise that was NOT pushing the envelope. The memo went to all teams, not just NE. Belichick was brazen and careless enough to get caught.
Where theres smoke there fire and it wasn’t exclusively in NE.
If someone truly believe that, then you need to go to college and take a few business courses and get back to us when you grow up.

Bill Parcells is the best along with Chuck Noll,
Lombardi and Tom Landry.

Billy the Cheater is ok but best ever, hahahah,
well Kraft is entitled to wrong thoughts.

True

So what?

The Patriots got in trouble in 2007 for stealing defensive signals.

Is there ANYONE out there so naive as to suggest that other teams don’t do it?

Now a few years later people are saying Belichick isn’t that good because Brady is the man.

Which is it, people?

I agree, it is nice to come across a rival fan who has more ideas and thoughts to provoke good discussions, than the all too typical middle-school beat down remarks that permeate this blog.

As a Ravens fan I have seen a week of hell on this Ed Reed – Flacco stuff because of the media. I will tell you, Ed was right and wrong. Right on the content of his remarks and wrong to say them outloud with a microphone. But let me tell you, there is no problem in the Ravens locker room. None. We don’t have that Jets stuff here. The media has been ridiculous on this issue this week.

So I hear you when you talk about media scrutiny. Because of Ray’s mistakes when he was very young in his career our franchise has been assigned a “bad ass” image. So anything out of line catches hell. And along those lines I see where BB’s career long disdain for the press would have been his undoing once the spygate thing hit. There was “blood in the water” and the press did take off and had a field day.

I am not the typical hater of Goodell on PFT. I think that it is an incredibly difficult job. And I at least have perspective that he is not out to ruin this game. Quite the opposite. So I do not believe he has the agenda many, many others think he has on here.

That said, I have always wondered (and still do) whether there was more that was dicovered in that investigation than anyone knows. And frankly, I understand big business and have no issue that there could be information that has been kept under wraps for the good of the game. Kraft is a good business man and may have played a role in negotiating what eventually was dealt as punishments. To me, that easily explains the length of Goodell adjucation of this matter. I do respect your view of this. I do. But those are incredible penalties for mere non compliance issues of having a camera in the wrong locale, or not identified correctly.

Anyway, thank you for the earlier compliment and best to your team Sunday. I still want to win, but I want to be a good sport about it.

Now “cheating” aside, can anybody honestly say if you wanted to begin an organization today, bb is by far and away your number 1 choice. So before you trash him just admit you’d still want him

Anyways, of course he was lucky that he got Brady. If anyone had any clue of what he’d turn into he would have been a top pick. But that doesn’t discount the fact that he (and of course Weis) also played an important role in Bradys development, otherwise Brady would have started day one. Ask yourself, If Brady had been drafted by the Arizona Cardinals for example, would he have become the QB he is today? I for one don’t really know.

Secondly, you’re right about the coaches. Some have had awesome QB’s, others haven’t. Football is the ultimate TEAM sport. And the head coach is the one responsible for the TEAM. I give respect for any coach whom has won the big one, regardless of how they and their team achieved it. Just because different coaches have won in different ways, it doesn’t really matter to me. All that matters is that they win. And Belichick has won three. Not too shabby.

Lastly, spygate. Yes, he did get fined half a million, lost a draft pick, and you forgot the team itself was fine an additional 250,000. But try to remember back to that week, and the circumstances surrounding it. Belichick was already not very popular, press and fellow coaches alike. In his first seven years with the patriots before “spygate”, he had won the SB three times, and made it to the AFC championship four times. Plus he’s not exactly nice to the media.

Also keep in mind how Mr. Goodell is. His job is to protect the brand, to make the sport grow. This means bringing in more casual fans who don’t know the sport as well. These fans will be more likely to be fans of their teams rather than general fans of the sport. This is a big difference.

Then spygate broke. The media went nuts. Revenge for all those surly news conferences. Players who had lost very big, emotional games piled on. It was an intense atmosphere that week, even as people who knew the sport and rules knew that it was a violation of location, NOT taping.

Roger Goodell ruled on the matter a full week after the incident. I believe he put such a huge penalty on him more as a reaction to how it was being portrayed, and less due to the actual violation. He thought by doing this it would calm down the casual fans and media. Of course it did just the opposite and now you hear (five years later mind you) “if it wasn’t a big deal why did the tapes get destroyed!?”
Somehow people forget that Matt Walsh had multiple more tapes, and they were all broadcast to the public.

Salary cap / free agency

That’s how.