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49ers thought Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled, refs said forward progress

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With the score tied on Sunday night and a trip to the Super Bowl on the line, 49ers linebacker NaVorro Bowman appeared to make the play of the game when he stripped Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw. But the officials ruled it differently.

The ruling on the field was that Bradshaw’s forward progress had been stopped before the ball came loose, and that ruling cannot be challenged. San Francisco coach Jim Harbaugh said afterward that to his eyes, it looked like the wrong call.

It looked like a fumble,” Harbaugh said, via CSNBayArea.com. “Every play that happened in the game except that one was played out to the conclusion of the play.”

If it had been ruled a fumble, the 49ers would have had the ball at the 20-yard line just before the two-minute warning, and they likely would have won the game in regulation. Instead the Giants kept the ball and ended up winning in overtime.

Said 49ers center Jonathan Goodwin in a Twitter message late Sunday night, “I will forever hate the words forward progress.”

Many 49ers fans will join him in that.

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191 Responses to “49ers thought Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled, refs said forward progress”
  1. joetoronto says: Jan 23, 2012 7:01 AM

    It’s time to learn how to be an NFL coach, Jim.

    Show some class and stop crying.

  2. ashleenaome says: Jan 23, 2012 7:02 AM

    Ahhhh that makes it so much sweeter. Keep whining … yes, stop …. don’t ….. stop …. don’t stop. Ahhhhhh …

  3. dewalt2990 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:02 AM

    Thumbs up if you want FULL TIME/professional Refs, thumbs down if you like everything the way it is…

  4. miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:03 AM

    Clearly a fumble the ball was stripped before the whistle even blew I don’t understand, but whatever it is what it is

  5. bigjdve says: Jan 23, 2012 7:04 AM

    No game should ever come down to 1 play, if it does, then you did something wrong.

    If the roles had been reversed then they would be happy with the call. In this game there were a couple plays in which they got yardage based on forward progress. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

  6. jimmygrahamchrisivory says: Jan 23, 2012 7:05 AM

    The Saints would’ve been the ones playing at home in the NFCCG against the Giants if the refs wouldn’t have change the forward progress ruling on the supposed Pierre Thomas fumble, which resulted in points for the Saints.

    Funny how the tables turn.

  7. ashleenaome says: Jan 23, 2012 7:05 AM

    One day … far in the future … a Harbaugh team will get a penalty … or maybe even have a call not go their way … and the coach will agree that it was correct.

    Till then his string of never having a Harbaugh team ever commit a penalty is intact.

    Keep making that face coach … you know … the one you make every time something happens that doesn’t go your way … yeah, that one.

  8. dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 7:07 AM

    Stop whining? I’d be whining too if the refs blew the game for my team. Was clearly a fumble. Not even close.

  9. nuyoricanz says: Jan 23, 2012 7:07 AM

    C’mon now 9iners fans… It wasn’t a fumble n ur not in the SB.

    GIANTS WIN.. The NY Giants that is!!!!

  10. notrelated says: Jan 23, 2012 7:08 AM

    I face-palmed after that play. He clearly fumbled the ball. Honestly, football just doesn’t feel like football anymore.

  11. jmsincla says: Jan 23, 2012 7:08 AM

    It reminded me of the play near the endzone last week against the Saints…that one went the 49ers way, you win some you lose some.

  12. sf49ers4 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:09 AM

    Every other play the let them play until he’s on the ground or 5 guys are pushing him backwards. If he fell on top of a defender they’d let him get back up and run. Blew the whistle too early. Fundamental play, stand the runner up & rip the ball away. Bad call!

  13. miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:10 AM

    The refs blew the whistle like it was the QB getting hit, his knee didn’t even hit the ground yet.

  14. mikea311 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:10 AM

    the reason they have that rule is so that players cant stand a player up and keep trying to rip out the ball.

    Bradshaw didn’t fumble. it was ripped out.

  15. nogoodell says: Jan 23, 2012 7:10 AM

    It was a fumble… if it were an East Coast team, it’s a huge controversy

  16. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:13 AM

    Ha! Could happen to a better fan base. In the immortal words of Triple H… \ /

  17. nyfan63 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:14 AM

    Bummer

  18. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:14 AM

    KARMA

  19. GG Eden says: Jan 23, 2012 7:15 AM

    Niners got ripped off. The official was in a perfect position, seeing the ball getting ripped out a split second to forward progress being reached, and blew the whistle way too soon, deliberately. Thruout the game, and many other forward progress instances thru the year, they don’t blow it THAT quickly.

  20. lolb23 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:15 AM

    Forty Whiners.

    What is it with Harbaugh coached teams and their lame excuses?

  21. miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AM

    The saints fumble was an instant fumble no comparison plus he got knocked out and lost the ball instantly no whistle was blown till the players got in the pile to get the ball

  22. djstat says: Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AM

    dclogicatlast

    IN every level of football when fwd progress is stopped the play is over. The ref had blown it dead and immediately ruled that fwd progress stopped. If that is why you think you lost then you know nothing about football. 1 for 13 on third down, 3 lost fumbles on special teams and a fan base who disappeared for 10 years then reappeared if why you lost.

    For any team, if you count on the refs you are wrong…refs are consistently bad

  23. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AM

    How about the Kyle Williams fumble(s) Jimbo? Ya gotta problems with those? Bahahahahahahaha!!!

  24. eagleempire says: Jan 23, 2012 7:17 AM

    That was a B.S. call! 49ers got screwed

  25. clemfield says: Jan 23, 2012 7:18 AM

    not a fan of either team but at the moment it happened I thought it was one of the quickest whistles I had ever seen

  26. nogoodell says: Jan 23, 2012 7:18 AM

    Eff any NY team

  27. blu4l1fe says: Jan 23, 2012 7:19 AM

    I really did not see a fumble in that play, but maybe if I was a 9ers fan, I would say it was.

    It would be sad if we’d hear of more alleged questionable calls or non-calls because it was a great game.

    But I guess we expect something like this from coach Harbaugh.

  28. pikkiwoki says: Jan 23, 2012 7:20 AM

    This wasn’t much like the Pierre Thomas fumble. Pierre lost the ball immediately on contact. That was a clear fumble.

    Bradshaw absorbed the hit, got pushed back a little, and then got stripped. That call could have gone either way IMO. If I was a Niners fan I’d be pretty mad.

  29. pdmjr says: Jan 23, 2012 7:20 AM

    Both Harbaughs need better sideline decorum. The nasty looks and grimaces have to go. Jim needs to work on post game handshakes. I don’t think the old man taught him that.

    Quite often the brothers look like their diapers need changing, not cool

  30. packattack1967 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM

    That was a fumble and and Lee Evans catch was a TD. The current rules blow.

  31. blizzard01 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM

    I’m grateful we’ll be spared any more nauseating stories about the intensity of the Harbaugh boys this week. Clench your jaws off camera for a few months boys- see you next year.

  32. theskins21 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM

    The Giants should come back to Washington, and see what happens…loosers!

  33. lolb23 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM

    Forty Niners thought wrong.

  34. eaglebobby says: Jan 23, 2012 7:22 AM

    Face it coach Harbaugh, 4 things did you in last night–

    1. You stopped running the ball late in the 4th qtr.

    2. You depended on Alex Smith’s arm when he clearly couldn’t get it done.

    3. The stupidity of your punt returner to get close enough for a bouncing punt to go off of his leg–and then not trying to recover it anyway.

    4. The NFL–couldn’t let an upstart team win this game–since Peyton is no longer a viable QB because of injury, Eli is the new face of the NFL. That was an extremely quick whistle.

  35. seanmmartin says: Jan 23, 2012 7:22 AM

    The whistle was blown quickly, that’s it. Ya forward progress stopped, but they blew the whistle way too soon.

  36. billupsindc says: Jan 23, 2012 7:22 AM

    Hahahaha! S##k it, Harbaugh. You’re teams been getting lucky breaks all season. It all comes out in the wash. You’re overrated and should’ve never been in that game in the first place.

    Quit your crying and get some class.

  37. giants56 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:24 AM

    In the words of “Mooch” BUMMER!

  38. xtb3 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:25 AM

    Bradshaw was CLEARLY STOPPED and pushed back AFTER he crossed the 20 yardline and ONLY AFTER the ball was pulled out from him back on the 19 yardline.

  39. thesageofthestreet says: Jan 23, 2012 7:28 AM

    Ashlee… Good point about Harbo. Even during the call when the replay showed the ball clearly hit Williams on the muff. The camera was on HArbo & you could read his lips and he was saying to the official ” that is BS the Replay was inconclusive”.

    Harbo is a dick always was and always will be.

    Get over it Niner fans the bottom line is the Giants are a better team. We came into your stadium & beat you. Fair and square.

  40. khuxford says: Jan 23, 2012 7:29 AM

    @mikea31: you know what they call it when the opposing player rips the ball out of a ballcarrier’s hands?

    A fumble.

  41. elementaleffect says: Jan 23, 2012 7:29 AM

    I’m a giants fan and I don’t like the forward progress rule that much but I’m pretty sure the niners got bailed out by the same thing against the saints and they didn’t complain.

  42. shivablast says: Jan 23, 2012 7:30 AM

    Well, he did fumble. But once the whistle blows, the play is dead and that’s that. I’m sure if that ref had another shot at it, he would’ve waited before killing the play, but that’s the human element that helps to make sports entertaining. Congratulations to the Giants and I’m looking forward to seeing a great showdown in the Super Bowl.

  43. upyoursnfu says: Jan 23, 2012 7:31 AM

    The Harbaughs are whiners. Dad taught them well.

  44. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:32 AM

    Slap a hand Jimbo!

  45. slowclyde86 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:33 AM

    Give it up niner homers. You lost. The call was correct. He was driven BACKWARDS. On what planet is that forward progress? Jim Harbaugh needs to look to his brother on how to lose with class. The difference in post-game comments between the two is striking.

  46. rustyv124 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:33 AM

    Clearly that was a fumble! Oh just to let you Gayiants fans know, Tom Brady is going to light up fire up all you @sses. Revenge games are the best and we clearly know who’s going to win the S.B.

  47. rjg427 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:34 AM

    in the words of a former 49er head coach..”Bummer”

  48. steelhammer92 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM

    The Harbaugh boys have plenty of time to get together and cry.

  49. wherezwaldo says: Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM

    fact is, the ball was stripped before the whistle.

  50. sixburghkilla says: Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM

    This is ridiculous. You have to have a “forward progress” rule. If not, when is the play over? You would have even more unnecessary hits if not for the forward progress rule. Stop the damn crying!

  51. franktherat96 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:36 AM

    Forty Whiners.

  52. ralphmacchiado says: Jan 23, 2012 7:37 AM

    “Kyle Williams receiving death threats and racial slurs on his twitter account”

    Nice job ‘whiner fans. Stay classy.

    Worst “fans” in the NFL…

  53. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:37 AM

    You lose whiners!! See you in another 13 years.

  54. mute617 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:38 AM

    I thought it should’ve been called a fumble

  55. bigbluefan1 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:38 AM

    Lets see does not do press after game then when he does he crys about a good call.

    Keep it classless

    Truth be told if the 49ers had them a QB they would be going to Indy
    Killer D and a Dud for a QB.

    I hope that the 49ers get a QB so that they can try again in the future.

  56. franktherat96 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:38 AM

    its amazing how many NFL fans really don’t understand the rules of the game they watch

  57. rarelyclever says: Jan 23, 2012 7:40 AM

    Bradshaw fumbled that football. Right after the whistle blew the play dead. Anyone watching the game live heard that. I’m fine with it.

  58. xtb3 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:41 AM

    2nd Giants NFC Championship game walk-off FG through those exact goalposts at Candlestick as well as 2nd Lawrence Tynes NFC Championship walk-off fieldgoal.

  59. skins23 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM

    Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….

    And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…

    and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…

    and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……

    must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.

  60. eeeeeeetme says: Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM

    Yes, NaVarro Bowman DID appear to make the play of the game, but ya know what??? It was only a nocturnal emission for you whiners fans. You woke up…discovered a mess, and commenced to weeping.

  61. GG Eden says: Jan 23, 2012 7:44 AM

    packattack1967 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM

    That was a fumble and and Lee Evans catch was a TD. The current rules blow.

    ———–

    Agree. The fix is in. Pats-Giants v2.0

    Here’s the thing…

    1. Evans: not doing a proper review, halting game, if they did the front view clearly shows in slow-mo the foot down THEN ball out a split second later. If that was the Pats on offense, you all know that would’ve been halted and reviewed endlessly and awarded a TD. It was border-line, yes, but on review it was down just before ball out, in split second, that’s enough for a TD.

    2. Bradshaw: the whistle blown waaaaaaaay too quickly compared to time lapsed thruout the season when every play is whistled completed, let alone other forward progress calls thru the season. Go back thru them and you’ll see they don’t blow it THAT quickly like Bradshaw’s one.

  62. boonevol says: Jan 23, 2012 7:45 AM

    Remember this terminology, “the whistle does not kill the play, it is already dead”. This is true at every level of football from youth to NFL, same as the principle of forward progress. As soon as the runner stopped moving forward, the play was dead. The whistle just lets everyone know the play is dead. The HL immediately marked the spot and signaled Giants ball. Even Pereira said it was the right call.

  63. 202folife says: Jan 23, 2012 7:46 AM

    I’m an AFC team fan, if the 49er’s want to argue about something it should be the quick whistle. After the whistle blew Bradhsaw could’ve thrown the ball, it doesn’t matter! I rarely root agaisnt teams that have nothing to do with the AFC east, but Harbaugh is quickly making me change. He whined/bitched every other call. Sheesh!

  64. chatham10 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:47 AM

    I’m not a fan of either the Giants or the 49er’s and I’m sure no fan of these part time refs. The teams that lost did not lose because of one play or one kick but the refs all year were bad. I love when ESPN last week had a panel which included a couple of ex refs and they said the refs have been right over 90% and it is a tough job, well with instant replay it should be better and if the job is tough then change jobs. I know you cannot review everything but that was a fumble all year and the miss face masks call, spotting of the ball and late hits which cannot be reviewed are a joke.

  65. longdrivesaint says: Jan 23, 2012 7:47 AM

    Somebody grab the pacifier PLEASE!!!

  66. weneedlinemen42 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:47 AM

    I would have liked to seen a little more video to sort the exact timing of when the play was whistled dead and when the ball came out but it wasn’t a dreadful call.

    Bradshaw was still in possession as Bowman was driving him backwards. Another tackler had him low. Forward progress was stopped. All that was going to happen next was that Bradshaw was going to get driven back while his lower legs were pinned. The refs were right to blow the play dead. Even if the whistle had come after the ball was ripped out it would have been because it was a late whistle.

    It’s unfortunate for 9ers. It was nearly a great play. They had several like that, with their own DBs managing to deny each other interceptions. They were the better team on the day but they were unlucky. They didn’t get gypped by the officials it was just a close game decided by few moments of misfortune.

  67. gobigblue310 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:49 AM

    Wow. Doesn’t shake coughlins hand, then acts like an entire national television audience didn’t hear the whistle blow before the ball came out. At least his brother loses with class.

  68. akulabug says: Jan 23, 2012 7:49 AM

    I thought it was a fumble but you can’t complain about it after the game. You can’t win that fight and you look like a winer.

  69. thesageofthestreet says: Jan 23, 2012 7:51 AM

    Oh please spare me the whine & the NFL wants the Giants to win crap…No team has more to complain about than the Giants when it comes to the officials. Week after week from the fist Packer game when 2 TD calls went against them they have had been jobbed by the officials.

    Please the Niners got 4 1st downs from the refs. Including a ridiculous call on 3rd and long when they said the Giants hit hit WR more than 5 yrds downfield. First off it wasn’t even 5 yrds. Secondly even a Pee Wee ref knows you don’t make a call like that. They had no chance to get that first down w-out help from the officials. They got 1 on their own all game. And tell me how a team with a fierce pass rush like the Giants doesn’t draw 1 holding call..not one. I counted 4 blatant calls that they missed. They also gave a bad spot to Jacobs earlier that was clearly a first down.

    As for Harbo get some class. He is such a dick. Was that way as a player and now he is that way as a coach. Nothing is ever his fault. That is why his teamates hated him when he played. Instead of whining about the officials about a call when the whistle clearly blew he should figure out how to get a 21 st century Offense instead of the Neanderthal one he has now. 1-12 on 3rd down. That is not a team that belongs in the SB.

    Lastly please spare me the indignation Niner fans. Lets go all the way back to 2002, to that 39-38 game. When the officials blew the call in and gave u guys the win. You remember when the Niners clearly tackled Seubert who was an ELIGIBE RECEIVER!!!! The NFL admitted after the game they blew the call. I didn’t hear any Niner fans complaining then or or offering to give us back our win. Or did the NFL want Terrel Owens & the Immortal Jeff Garcia to be the face of the NFL?

    So I will leave you with the immortal words of Steve Mariucci who when told it was a blown call that gave the Niners the win. All he could say to the Giants was…” Bummer” Yeah Niner fans Bummer. We won fair & square…you lost. Get over it.

  70. murphintampa says: Jan 23, 2012 7:53 AM

    Someone else said but it bears repeating. Bradshaw was stood up at the 21, got pulled backwards, and wasn’t stripped until he reached the 19. So yeah, I’d say he was going backwards when he fumbled. And last time I checked, “backwards” is the opposite of “forward.”

  71. vman0626 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:54 AM

    miamiminer – you are a buffoon. the whistle clearly blew before the fumble. not even close. so please spare us your conspiracy bunk. was it a quick whistle? yes. was bradshaw’s forward progress stopped? yes. the rule book clearly states a fumble cannot occur once forward progress is stopped.

  72. 72fish says: Jan 23, 2012 7:55 AM

    Sorry guys but you can’t hang your hat on just one play…The 49ers should have lost last week and ended up with a lucky break. They had no passing game and all but gave up in the 3rd and 4th quarter. It is was in their own backyard and they were afraid to throw the ball? C’mon man!

  73. vincentbojackson says: Jan 23, 2012 8:02 AM

    Yes, it was the officials fault. Not his offense that converted 1 third down the entire game.

  74. rpiotr01 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:08 AM

    I know what forward progress is, but why in the world should that changed whether or not a fumble occurs.

    If a WR catches the ball in the middle fo the field, runs upfield, gets stood up by the safety, and has the ball knocked out – you’re telling me that wouldn’t be ruled a fumble because he got stood up and forward progress was stopped? I feel like teams lose fumbles under those circumstances all the time. I’ve never seen the rule applied that way before.

    I guess the rule was applied properly but what a strange rule.

  75. blu4l1fe says: Jan 23, 2012 8:09 AM

    It is exactly why the 9ers will have difficulties advancing further and succeeding. Their coach’s attitude, when he doesn’t get his way, says it all. I wasn’t sure about the midfield altercation after the Detroit game but his attitude after last night’s championship game confirmed it.

    9ers players need to be careful not to take on that “pouty” and “mopy” persona. No one wins, specifically a Super Bowl, acting this way. Just ask the Pats coach.

    GO BIG BLUE!!!!

  76. tatum064 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:10 AM

    Giants thought Kyle Williams fumbled

    And the refs agreed.

    But it was a close enough game – Tom Jackson was saying that was a mighty quick whistle.

  77. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM

    Niner fans looking for anything to assuage their crow-eating. That’s what happens when you brag UNFOUNDEDLY all week. I’ll give it to them, their defense came to play. We exposed Alex Smith for what he is (expected) and I’m surprised we didn’t win by two touchdowns.

    The whining about that call, which was correct — is laughable. How many calls did SF get? Esoteric holding on Baas and I believe Snee, the ARENA LEAGUE offsides that Brooks doesn’t get called for, resulting in a sack, where he ran around McKenzie, the RIDICULOUS illegal contact calls and the made-up hands-to-the-face calls. Ross passes off his guy in coverage, which teams do 40 times per game, WITHIN five yards, and they call that nonsense. Bernard gets punched in the mouth, but somehow no hands to the face on a play where they call Canty for coming into the fray late.

    NOT A SINGLE HOLDING CALL, even though JPP and Osi were being held at the waist like women following a man’s lead in ballroom dancing — ALL GAME — and SF fans are WHINING??? You should have lost by at least two touchdowns. Most of your yardage came on three blown assignments. You didn’t do JACK offensively otherwise, and that was to be expected.

    Eli drops by 65 times, gets hit 20 times, doens’t turn the ball over and stands in and takes the hits while making some all-world throws, and this is what you clowns come up with???

  78. poisyourgod says: Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM

    I really hope it’s not Giant fans talking down about Harbaugh’s sideline emotions. I really really really HOPE it is not the same people who are a fan of a team whose coach, Tom Coughlin, has a look on his face after EVERY SINGLE CALL like it’s the worst call that was ever made. That would just be astonishing to me if it were.

  79. east96st says: Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM

    Let’s see – San Fran O line literally grabbed and pulled the jerseys of the Giants D line so far to the sides that you could not read the jersey number – no holding calls all game long. Aldon jumps offsides and gets a sack – no call. Rocky Bernard has blood pouring out of his mouth – penalty on the Giants. Jacobs makes the first down with forward progress – refs spot the ball one yard back from where he was tackled. Ball clearly hits the knee of their punt returner and no call – has to be reversed on replay. Frank Gore tackled inbounds at 2:48 and the clock is allowed to run down to 2 minute warning without a delay of game penalty. Their TE stepped out of bounds on his TD run – no call. Carlos Rodgers has his arm wrapped around Cruz’s waist from the moment he leaves the line of scrimmage the entire game – no calls. Seems like you got pretty damn lucky to have the officiating crew you had Harbaugh. BTW – First comments out Coughlin’s mouth – complimenting the Niners and Harbaugh for a great game and saying they are great team. Harbaugh – not even an acknowledgement that the Giants and Coughlin even played. Classless, sore loser punk.

  80. flipadelphia says: Jan 23, 2012 8:12 AM

    Harbaugh is the biggest crybaby on the sidelines. Jumping around, cting like a 10 yr old and whining to officials won’t help you get that call.

  81. mikewhorio says: Jan 23, 2012 8:12 AM

    As much as I hate the Giants and wanted them to lose, that was the right call. Not sure when the whistle blew, but he was clearly going backwards when the ball came out, and that’s all that matters.

  82. dirtmcgirt24 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:13 AM

    Who cares how quick the whistle was? If reviewed, the ball carrier, if only for an instant, was going backwards before the fumble, so the call would have been either upheld as a fumble or reversed to a fumble, depending on how it played out.

  83. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:17 AM

    *drops back.

    And as far as the play in question, the whistle blew and forward progress WAS stopped. Knock it off, GOODNESS.

  84. crindal3000 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM

    it was a fumble the refs got it wrong but san fran still lost. it sure looked like VD was out of bounds on san frans first TD, why don’t i hear Jimmy saying anything about that? oh..

  85. sixjak says: Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM

    Giants fans show some class. It was a great game. If you had been on the wrong side of that call you’d feel screwed too. The 9ers had other chances and didn’t capitalize. I’m a 9ers fan. I can be objective why can’t some of you. I hope these two great franchises meet again next year. Both games they played this season were close and could have gone either way. And your coach did his share if belly aching after Nov. game. Enjoy the win and just be grateful Ted Ginn didn’t play.

  86. tiffpats4eva says: Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM

    I thought he fumbled too.

  87. macker1283 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM

    The forward progress ruling was dumb if for no other reason than its never called on almost any other play. Refs wait for the guy to hit the ground every other time. Except when he fumbles? How many times have you seen someone stripped while laying on top of a pile and it be called a fumble? The forward progress call doesnt apply there?

  88. emaimo80 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:22 AM

    Wow I’m not a fan of either team, but clearly forward progress was stopped! What about the play that the ref blew the whistle on the kickoff that clearly should have been a fumble and a touchdown for ny? Because the whistle was blown, they couldn’t rule it a touchdown for new York. Nobody is whining or crying about that bad call.

  89. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:24 AM

    poisyourgod says:
    Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM
    I really hope it’s not Giant fans talking down about Harbaugh’s sideline emotions. I really really really HOPE it is not the same people who are a fan of a team whose coach, Tom Coughlin, has a look on his face after EVERY SINGLE CALL like it’s the worst call that was ever made. That would just be astonishing to me if it were.
    ————

    Tom is classy, and a fan, just as much as he is a coach. Jim Harbaugh is a cad. It ain’t about sideline comportment, it’s about being smug and thinking that every call should go your way, especially when you get several per game, like SF has all season.

    And let’s not forgot the lack of gratitude in defeat and how imbecilic he is after wins (see Detroit game, even though Schwartz is just as bad as he is).

  90. rugdog100 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:26 AM

    I haven’t heard the refs refer to “forward progress” since I was a kid back in the 1970′s… lol. NFL officiating is a joke – always has been.

  91. 52claymaker52 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:26 AM

    Bears have been forcing fumbles in this manner for many years – to their credit. It was a fumble any way you slice it.

    Is it any surprise that a Hochuli led crew botched a call like this?

  92. tiffpats4eva says: Jan 23, 2012 8:27 AM

    @72Fish,

    Umm, how was it luck when the 49ers caused the Saints to make all of those turnovers? Did you see the game?

  93. fwippel says: Jan 23, 2012 8:31 AM

    The 49ers have nothing to hang their heads about, so all this whining about a correct call makes them look small.

    Bradshaw’s forward progress had stopped, and even Mike Perriera (sp?), the FOX replay guy, said as much. I’ve seen that called several times this season prior to this call.

    No question it’s a tough way to lose, but San Francisco will be back in it next year, and they’re only going to get better. There’s no reason for Harbaugh or any 49er to whine about that. Hell, talk to that rookie returner that cost them 10 points, and the game, but don’t pick on the refs for getting a call right.

  94. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:31 AM

    skins23 says:
    Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM
    Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….

    And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…

    and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…

    and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……

    must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.

    ————

    And you went 5-11 again.
    And you are NFC East cellar dwellers again.
    And you will have Rex Grossman at QB again.
    And your comments have been lamer and lamer since that fluky 3-1 start and fluky wins vs. the Giants, bookending what, losses in 9 of 10?
    And you’re as bad as Eagles fans like the one above who made the little underhanded comment with his 4th “point” in his diatribe, harping upon regular season wins, because they are your Super Bowls.

    Shall I go on?

  95. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:33 AM

    east96st says:
    Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM
    Let’s see – San Fran O line literally grabbed and pulled the jerseys of the Giants D line so far to the sides that you could not read the jersey number – no holding calls all game long. Aldon jumps offsides and gets a sack – no call. Rocky Bernard has blood pouring out of his mouth – penalty on the Giants. Jacobs makes the first down with forward progress – refs spot the ball one yard back from where he was tackled. Ball clearly hits the knee of their punt returner and no call – has to be reversed on replay. Frank Gore tackled inbounds at 2:48 and the clock is allowed to run down to 2 minute warning without a delay of game penalty. Their TE stepped out of bounds on his TD run – no call. Carlos Rodgers has his arm wrapped around Cruz’s waist from the moment he leaves the line of scrimmage the entire game – no calls. Seems like you got pretty damn lucky to have the officiating crew you had Harbaugh. BTW – First comments out Coughlin’s mouth – complimenting the Niners and Harbaugh for a great game and saying they are great team. Harbaugh – not even an acknowledgement that the Giants and Coughlin even played. Classless, sore loser punk.

    —————-

    Exactly.

  96. pftcensorssuck says: Jan 23, 2012 8:36 AM

    vincentbojackson says:
    Jan 23, 2012 8:02 AM
    Yes, it was the officials fault. Not his offense that converted 1 third down the entire game.

    ———————————————————
    I wish I could give this 20 “thumbs up”!

    This was a HORRIFIC stat.

    For Niners fans to try and hang this game on THAT call – a CORRECT call – is a complete joke.. Besides the complete lack of 3rd down conversions, there’s the muffed kick or two that handed the Giants the ball.

    Want to blame someone, Niner fan? Blame your kick returner.

  97. cleverbob says: Jan 23, 2012 8:37 AM

    As a fan with no skin in the game, I thought that was an extremely quick whistle. And yet it still looked as if the ball was already loose…

  98. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:38 AM

    tatum064 says:
    Jan 23, 2012 8:10 AM
    Giants thought Kyle Williams fumbled

    And the refs agreed.

    But it was a close enough game – Tom Jackson was saying that was a mighty quick whistle.

    ———–

    Of course he did. He’s still bitter about the Giants ending his career 25 years ago, you know? And yes, that’s factual. He takes every opportunity to jab at the Giants, even while making those backhanded compliments when he can’t even try to undermine the team’s success over the years.

  99. nomoreseasontix says: Jan 23, 2012 8:38 AM

    I guess the right call was made, but I can’t believe they let Ed Hochuli anywhere near a playoff game….

  100. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:39 AM

    Said 49ers center Jonathan Goodwin in a Twitter message late Sunday night, “I will forever hate the words forward progress.”

    ————-

    “I will forever hate Jim Harbaugh. I will forever hate the words ‘illegal contact’.”

    See, I can play that game also.

  101. zaggs says: Jan 23, 2012 8:41 AM

    Well yeah,except for the fact Bradshaw was going backwards before the ball started to come out.

  102. njkurt1 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:43 AM

    If you watch the play in real time, you can clearly hear the whistle before the ball came out, and yes, forward progress had stopped and Bradshaw was going backwards at the time.

  103. gcsuk says: Jan 23, 2012 8:44 AM

    skins23 says: Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM

    Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….

    And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…

    and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…

    and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……

    must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.
    ——————————————————————-
    Conveniently, “skins23″ forgets to list the Greg Jennings “fumble” and the Osi Umenyiora “Roughing the Passer” in his list of lucky Giants calls. Oh wait…those calls didn’t go the Giants way and they STILL won?
    Your act is REALLY getting old, skins23. Maybe it’s time to find a new one. Or root for a better team.

  104. ajsjohnson says: Jan 23, 2012 8:44 AM

    I am not going to whine here. The Giants won and I will root hard for them in the Super Bowl. Unfortunately my Niners came up short, and they could’ve won but didn’t–what are you gonna do? It’s football. I hope the Giants whup up on Brady and the Patriots and I hope Eli Manning has a great game. Good luck, NY–hopefully we can get there sometime soon…

  105. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 23, 2012 8:45 AM

    sixjak says:
    Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM
    Giants fans show some class. It was a great game. If you had been on the wrong side of that call you’d feel screwed too. The 9ers had other chances and didn’t capitalize. I’m a 9ers fan. I can be objective why can’t some of you. I hope these two great franchises meet again next year. Both games they played this season were close and could have gone either way. And your coach did his share if belly aching after Nov. game. Enjoy the win and just be grateful Ted Ginn didn’t play.
    ————————————————
    The fact is you were not on the wrong side of that call. Go back and watch it again. Even if you don’t believe AB’s forward progress was stopped, the whistle blew before the ball came out effectively ending the play.

  106. turbodog1027 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:46 AM

    I don’t like the Giants but i HATE the niners and to hear Hairball whining like a little girl makes it feel so much sweeter today. Saints should have knocked you out last week. Be happy you lucked out and made it this far

  107. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 23, 2012 8:47 AM

    wherezwaldo says:
    Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM
    fact is, the ball was stripped before the whistle.
    ———————————————-
    clearly you didn’t even watch the game!!

  108. illinininer says: Jan 23, 2012 8:51 AM

    The whistle was blown at the exact same time. Move on, it’s over. Had a great season with a championship-winning defense, a playoff-winning offense, and the wrong injury at the wrong time.

    Any chance Blackmon falls to 29?

  109. raiderrob21 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:52 AM

    Harbaugh is showing no class refusing interviews and whining and complaining. When he wins hes on top of the world. In a loss hes a baby. Grow up man, your the head coach. Also dont want to hear the comPlaining about calls or turnovers, thats the only way the 49ers beat the Saints to get to this game by calls and turnovers. Now go get a QB 49ers

  110. ncarolinarn7 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:52 AM

    As a Carolina fan I believe it was a quick whistle, yes the ball came out moving before the whistle. Having said that that was an awfully quick whistle I thought. Finally I think the Giants and Eli and the NY D have the edge in SB 41.

  111. n0hopeleft says: Jan 23, 2012 8:55 AM

    theskins21 says:
    Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM
    The Giants should come back to Washington, and see what happens…loosers!

    ___________________________________

    1.) Learn how to spell

    2.) Did you really log into ProFootBall talk at 7:21am, as a Skins fan, to hate on the Giants?
    Do you realize this gives us twice the pleasure?!?!

    3.) Your team is so irrelevant, you root against the Giants more than you root for your own team.

    HAIL THIS!

  112. longdrivesaint says: Jan 23, 2012 8:56 AM

    And this segment is sponsored by Kleenex.

  113. vawoody15 says: Jan 23, 2012 8:57 AM

    One thing that no one seems to be talking about from this play is that if you watch the replay closely, you see the official come in and throw his bean bag signifying a fumble and then run over to the referee and call forward progress. Whether or not it was forward progress, the official called it both ways on the same play. Indecisiveness in officials makes for controversy! I’m not whining about the outcome, because there were dozens of other chances to not have it come down to one play, just stating a fact. The officiating was horrible and it affected both teams!

  114. lemmam says: Jan 23, 2012 8:57 AM

    Forward progress had clearly been stopped. It was NOT a fumble. SanFran Harbaugh behaved like a 2 year old after the game.

  115. lemmam says: Jan 23, 2012 9:00 AM

    Ed Hochuli did NOT make the call. The Head Linesman made the call – HL – and his name is Mark Hittner. He’s from the Kansas City area. In officiating circles Ed Hochuli is god.

  116. zaggs says: Jan 23, 2012 9:01 AM

    Strangely Mike Pereira already wrote about this more than 3 hours before this drivel was posted. Yet MDS doesn’t bother to include it. But here is what Mike P typed:
    “San Francisco could not challenge the ruling as this was a play that is not reviewable. The only time you can challenge a ruling of forward progress is if it involves a first down or a score. A forward progress ruling prior to a fumble is not reviewable, period. However, let’s assume for a moment that it was. It wouldn’t have been reversed to a fumble on this play because Brock was pulling Bradshaw backward before Bowman pulled the ball out of his hands. So the right call was definitely made on the field.”

  117. devinmr711 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:05 AM

    Things would be so easier if they just got rid of forward progress. Stop treating the players like babies.

  118. golfnutt67 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:07 AM

    Cmon Giants fans you were all up in arm about the fumble that wasnt called in the Green Bay game be consistant in your stance.
    You won we lost no problem. but dont pretend the ref’s dont need a serious looking into to. These on the field rulings that cannot be reviewed are just plain dumb. Good luck to you guys in the SB. I was a great game I’m bummed the way it ended but thats the way it goes.

  119. jerrykramer says: Jan 23, 2012 9:07 AM

    Remember the Catch II? Prior to that play, Jerry Rice ruled down when he clearly fumbled, allowing the 49ers to beat the Packers? Karma, bitches.

  120. gfan8611 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:09 AM

    The official closest to the action clearly blew the play dead when Bradshaw was being pulled backwards, as in his forward momentum had ceased. Then the 49ers ripped the ball free. Last I checked it was impossible to turn the ball over in between plays and that’s when this ball was ripped out.

  121. otrd13 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:10 AM

    if you think that was a fumble you are not a football fan…

  122. comeonnowguys says: Jan 23, 2012 9:11 AM

    Niner fans may be challenging the Saints and Lions for whiniest fan base.

    1) The whistle blew clearly before the strip, because:
    2) What part of forward progress do you not get?
    3) Convert a third down, then complain.

  123. DonRSD says: Jan 23, 2012 9:12 AM

    The whistle took away a td for us on the botched punt return.

    GO BIG BLUE!!!

  124. rcampore says: Jan 23, 2012 9:13 AM

    Haters are always gonna hate. It’s funny how all the Giants haters come out of the wood works to adamantly cry about calls. They choose to ignore the rules and make up their own.

    In every other game you get a call of forward progress that gets stopped by the whistle. As soon as the player starts going BACKWARDS, forward progress has been stopped and the play is dead. Bradshaw got pushed back 2 yards to the ground and the ball was stripped. By every definition, forward progress had been stopped. If this had happened to the 49ers, it would be the same case except all the haters would have agreed with the call.

    And yes Skins23, the Giants are so lucky, a lot luckier than your horrible team and I’ll take luck over suck any day of the week!

  125. richkotitte says: Jan 23, 2012 9:20 AM

    The Giants last two opponents,

    Forty Whiners, & cheese (heads)…

    Get it? Like wine and cheese?

  126. melikefootball says: Jan 23, 2012 9:21 AM

    Something for Hairbaugh to use as a crutch all summer.

  127. blackqbwhiterb says: Jan 23, 2012 9:24 AM

    that’s the human element to the game, no getting around it. But when the subjective calls always go in favor of certain teams/ players, it makes you wonder. Like Brady demanding a flag and getting one, while Rothlisberger never does. Michael Jordan always got the benefit of the doubt, etc….

  128. dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 9:27 AM

    djstat

    1. Im not a niners fan
    2. You can say the niners lost for a number of reasons, agreed.
    3. Doesn’t change the fact that Bradshaw fumbled. It’s clear cut. Stand behind forward progress all you want. It was stopped for a split second, if that. Those plays have been allowed to carry on for an extra second for the past 90 years of NFL football.

  129. n0hopeleft says: Jan 23, 2012 9:27 AM

    It is absolutely breath taking to see all of you LOSERS crying right now.

    9er fans talked tough all season about that bone crushing defense. Nice try on Eli.

    There’s a reason he has the iron man streak.

    Your team was outplayed and DEFINITELY outclassed last night – starting from the coach on down.

    The fish stinks at the head!

  130. giants56 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:32 AM

    3rd Down Efficiency 49ers 1-13, 8%

    This is where the 49ers loss the game..The Giants defense stuffed them all day long…

  131. bayballtim says: Jan 23, 2012 9:38 AM

    Does every play now end in the middle of the tackle?

  132. arpy911 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:38 AM

    Giants fans will remember the championship game from 2002 when the 49ers blatantly tackled an eligible receiver after the bad snap on the potential game-winning field goal. The refs didn’t call it, Giants lost the game instead of getting a second chance for the kick. 49ers coach Steve Mariucci’s comment on it postgame? “Bummer.”

    Well … bummer. Payback’s a b-tch, ain’t it?

  133. n0hopeleft says: Jan 23, 2012 9:41 AM

    I thought the Giants had the “whiny” fans?

    PLEASE.

    Vernon Davis listened to “Big Girls Dont Cry” all the way home last night.

  134. skins23 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:44 AM

    And you went 5-11 again.
    And you are NFC East cellar dwellers again.
    And you will have Rex Grossman at QB again.
    And your comments have been lamer and lamer since that fluky 3-1 start and fluky wins vs. the Giants, bookending what, losses in 9 of 10?
    And you’re as bad as Eagles fans like the one above who made the little underhanded comment with his 4th “point” in his diatribe, harping upon regular season wins, because they are your Super Bowls.

    Shall I go on?
    __________________
    HA! Way to change the subject. The fact that the Skins stink doesn’t change the fact the Giants are the luckiest team in the league AGAIN.

    The Giants get the lucky bounces/plays/calls when they need them, at the most important times. The laundry list I posted above is proof of that.

    Oh yeah, and Rex Grossman will NOT be our QB next year. Even though he was good enough to roll you guys twice. No Hail Marys or fluke fumbles in those games to hand you victories.

    GCSUK – in case you can’t read, my post was not talking about officiating calls, but way to twist it.

    You guys have had the horseshoe lodged up your *** for so long you don’t even know its there anymore.

  135. joetoronto says: Jan 23, 2012 9:54 AM

    All the focus is on this play, not on the lack of a QB.

    Now that the season is over, maybe Niner fans will admit they’re not going anywhere with Alex Smith.

    Maybe.

  136. lp0320 says: Jan 23, 2012 9:55 AM

    I am ever so grateful not to have to see or hear anything about the Harbaugh brothers. Both coaches are the whiniest, classless NFL coaches. Any call that goes against them is met with disbelief and an expletive on the sideline. Not to mention chasing an official down to bark at him. Grow up. Seemed to remember Jimmy chasing down Schwartzy after they beat the Lions being all slap happy. Learn to take the agony of defeat as well as the thrill of victory Jimmy boy. That’s what being an adult is.

  137. rcampore says: Jan 23, 2012 10:00 AM

    poisyourgod says: Jan 23, 2012 8:11 AM

    I really hope it’s not Giant fans talking down about Harbaugh’s sideline emotions. I really really really HOPE it is not the same people who are a fan of a team whose coach, Tom Coughlin, has a look on his face after EVERY SINGLE CALL like it’s the worst call that was ever made. That would just be astonishing to me if it were.

    ____________________________________

    You clearly know nothing about Tom Coughlin or watch any Giants games. You do not see Tom Coughlin complaining to the officials on every single call in any game. The face you see on Tom is when he’s pissed at a player who got a flag. There is a difference between being pissed at the player and running over to the official and complaining on every play which is what that loser Harbaugh does.

  138. justafanofitall says: Jan 23, 2012 10:01 AM

    As the rule states: His forward progress was stopped and he was going backwards. Whistle blew….Not a fumble. Read the rules….

  139. waxthat says: Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM

    It’s tough to lose like that but we’ll be back next year. People saying Jim Harbaugh is classless need to sit back and think about this situation. The guy is a competitor and emotions are at an all-time high. Alot of tough calls, like always, in games like this.

    I’m proud of the players, Jim and this organization for sticking together and getting us to an NFC championship in his first year.

    We’ll be back next year…this is going to be fun the next several years or so.

    Good luck Giants, go get you some Tom Brady.

  140. bricketh says: Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM

    It wasn’t a fumble by the rule, as it came out after the whistle was blown to call the runner’s forward progress stopped, but the issue I had with it was that they blew the whistle pretty fast. While I couldn’t care less about either team, I thought at the time it happened that the whistle blew very fast on that play, almost as soon as they got hold of the runner. I have seen it happen both ways before, but more often I see a guy stood up for several seconds or pushed back for several seconds before a play is blown dead. This time it just seemed way too fast.

  141. jcd213 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:09 AM

    and you continue to regress… imagine that, you hate the words forward progress.

  142. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 23, 2012 10:12 AM

    golfnutt67 says:
    Jan 23, 2012 9:07 AM
    Cmon Giants fans you were all up in arm about the fumble that wasnt called in the Green Bay game be consistant in your stance.
    You won we lost no problem. but dont pretend the ref’s dont need a serious looking into to. These on the field rulings that cannot be reviewed are just plain dumb. Good luck to you guys in the SB. I was a great game I’m bummed the way it ended but thats the way it goes.
    ———————————–
    Here is the difference. The Jennings play was initially ruled a fumble, then Leavy overturned it, getting it wrong. Then Coughlin challenged it and Leavy got it wrong again.
    Are you really going to deny that the whistle was blown(on the Bradshaw play) prior to the ball coming loose? Anybody who says the whistle was not blown prior to the ball coming loose is delusional!! Call it a quick whistle if you must but the play was dead.

  143. go49ers says: Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM

    Niners was clearly the better team. Ref blew a call on the Bradshaw fumble. NY Giants got lucky on their (east coast bias) win. Pats will light up the “wildcatd” Giants.

    Here’s to a good season Niners! Go Niners!

  144. megatronownsyou says: Jan 23, 2012 10:17 AM

    This guy is like the new Rex Ryan but about ten times worse. So unprofessional and a total jerk. Your act is already getting old Jimbo. Time to stop acting like an small child and man up.

  145. ikequebec says: Jan 23, 2012 10:18 AM

    1 – 13 on 3rd.

    Smith completed 12 passes in an overtime game.

    You think a fumble is why you lost?

    Hope you had fun at the dance SF, cause you ain’t comin back. Not with this team. Your division will be better next year and your schedule will be harder. Games against the Pats, Saints, Bears, Lions, Jets, Dolphins, Bills…

    Not to mention the GIANTS. Have fun back at 6-10.

  146. christopher525 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM

    It must be nice living up in that New York/New Jersey area. Amazing how those colors turn blue or green depending on who’s doing well. I’ll at least give Steelers fans some credit, they don’t flip flop from team to team just to feel like they’re supporting a winner. Obnoxious as they are, typically they’re Pittsburgh to the core.

  147. deadmanwalking47 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM

    The refs should not blow the whistle so early,and let the play finish out.the same ref that blew the whistle has done it several times before.I et he gets reprimanded for it,but that ain’t gonna make the 49ers fans happy!was’nt the first time the refs screwed up a call,and it won’t be the last!

  148. fsxv13 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:25 AM

    And Vernon Davis didn’t clearly step out of bounds.

    Whatever.

    After the Jennings non-fumble I don’t even see how that could be construed as a fumble. The ball came loose when he was still on his feet.

  149. musicman495 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:26 AM

    And to think I criticized Jim Schwartz for getting angry about the Harbaugh handshake. Now I wish Schwartz had clocked him.

  150. megatronownsyou says: Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    And one more thing-would you haters please leave Jim Schwartz out of your comments? It should be clear to everyone now that Harbaugh was the instigator of that little conflict.
    The Lions are going to destroy all of your teams next year and win the super bowl!

  151. tdk24 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    Hey, it was a fumble. If there was a whistle it was way too fast. But, stuff happens. And as a Raider fan, there were many plays by all 4 teams Sunday that should have been flagged as well. And when you watch the Raiders, and a few other teams, those get called, every single time. Makes me furious about the double standards the refs live by. In the playoffs, wow, what great coverage he had on that play. Raiders regular season, same coverage, wow what a bonehead penalty that was. Now go Giants!!!!!!

  152. fsxv13 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM

    “It looked like a fumble,” Harbaugh said, via CSNBayArea.com. “Every play that happened in the game except that one was played out to the conclusion of the play.”

    ——————————————-

    Like the ball off of Kyle’s knee that was blown dead when the Giants had a straight path to the end zone? Oh, ok.

  153. rmc1995 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:35 AM

    Forward progress rule has been around since 1906. It isn’t new. This was ruled correctly. A whistle isn’t blown immediately because it gives a runner a chance to forfeit the forward progress and continue to fight for yards by intentionally making a move to continue the play. Sometimes they move backwards. This is where the term second effort comes from. In this case, Bradshaw was the in no way trying to forfeit his established forward progress to make a second effort. He was being pushed backwards by the defenses with control of the ball. A quick whistle is usually argued by the offensive player who believed he could have made a second effort.

  154. wicky888 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM

    All this crying over officiating. Granted it was a quick whistle. But he blew it. And if Bradshaw didnt fumble, no one would be talking about it.

    Lets focus on some other stats

    1 converted 3rd down
    1 completion to a WR
    2 special teams turnovers

    I would probably start looking there to find reasons why the 49ers lost. Of all the HORRIBLE officiating this year, you want to focus on that? Really? Quit blaming refs, it makes you sound like sore losers.

  155. jpiro says: Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM

    Here’s my issue with “forward progress”:

    If the offensive player gets knocked backward, stopped or forced to move parallel to the line of scrimmage, he still has the opportunity to regain composure/momentum and surge forward again.

    However, if the defense makes a play while he’s moving backward, stopped or parallel, the whistle is blown and their opportunity to make a difference is removed.

    Like most of the rules in the NFL, it seems to unfairly benefit the offense.

    If it was meant to be truly equal, the play would stop completely the moment an offensive player ceases to advance up the field for any reason other than his own choice.

  156. hawks49 says: Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM

    As a Niners fan I looks back at 6 plays in this game that turned the tide, some unlucky, some unfortunate and one a bad call imo.

    1. Goldson breaks up an INT and knocks Brown #2 CB out of the game. It happens, the injury was unfortunate and unlucky.

    2. Manningham scores a TD on our # 5 CB just entering the game for Brown.

    3. Kyle Williams makes a bone head play and muffs a punt. It happens, but not smart.

    4. Goldson breaks up another easy INT hitting Carlos Rodgers. This is where I felt fate was siding with NY. Unfortunate the balls were thrown so poorly we had two defenders that could pick it getting there before the WR.

    5. Bowman strips the ball immediately and the refs call forward progress. Technically the right call but I have NEVER seen the whistle blow that quick in over 60 full games I watched this season.

    6. Obviously Kyle fumbling again.

    This one was not meant to be tonight. It was a hard fought effort. The Giants caught a few breaks and played a solid game. This just wasn’t the 49ers day.

    Niners had a great turn around season and it’s nice to have a real team to cheer for for the first time in almost a decade.

    Kyle don’t hang your head, you’re a good young player and and have worked hard for where you are today. You may never make it up for us in the future but mistakes are made.

    Good luck to the the Giants… let’s notch another SB for the NFC

  157. pongonfl says: Jan 23, 2012 10:54 AM

    Technically a correct call, but called far far tighter then I have ever seen.

    The Giants were robbed of a first down.
    The Giants droped a strip sack fumble!

    The 49s in the second half hammered Eli, all looked clean to me, but I have seen hits like those called a lot of times. Both teams were interfering with receivers a great deal.

    On ballance this game came down to the 49rs at the end of the first half, playing like they wanted to get off the field with 2:25 left on the clock. The Giants, called their time outs to get the ball back and were lucky to be only held to a field goal. But that field goal proved them the better team.

    The game manager came out and bit them in the ass when they should have been confident enough to try with 3 time outs and 2:20 on the clock to get their OWN field goal at least….
    They tried one pass and then put their tails between their legs.

  158. goddamnthatsfunny says: Jan 23, 2012 10:56 AM

    bad calls are part of the game…always have been always will be…just hope your team is the beneficiary cause you wont complain then. I am sure Giants fans say it was a good call.

  159. thesageofthestreet says: Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM

    Skins23-

    Now based on your juvenile posts I know you will not comprehend this but read slowly and go ask someone who is smarter than you to explain this to you but here goes…

    Luck is the byproduct of design or my favorite which is paraphrase of the famous Jonas Salk line “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity” Yes the Giants like every other Champion in every sport were lucky at times. So were the Skins at times in the 80′s & 90′s. The Giants had an opportunity to be lucky cause they are a stable well run organization that doesn’t panic at evrey loss. Unlike Little Danny Boy Snyder. They have a plan and they stay the course.

    BTW were they lucky in th first GB game when they had 2 TD calls go against them? Or in the Jet game when they had 2 replays overturned that were wrong & 1 call that was outright blown? Or in the Falcon game when the ref spotted the ball 2 yds short of a first down? Or in the GB game when the officials blew blew 4 calls? Or how bout in this game when the refs did not call 1 holding call against the Niners. Or gave the niners a ridiculous 1st down on an an illegal hit downfield that was clearly wrong. Or despite Rocky Bernard having a bloody mouth the Giants got the 15 yrd penalty.

    Like all Champs they Giants got lucky at times but they also overcame some adversity on the way here. 8 guys including 5 starters are on IR is that being lucky? Or is it good drafting and coaching to have guys take their place.

    Unfortunatly for Skins fans like U your stuck w-Danny Boy who kept the inept Vinny Cerrato around for yrs cause he was good at kissing danny Boys ass which is all Little danny cares about.

    I am sorry your team despite bringing in every big name coach who was available & being the OFF SEASON CHAMPS 10 yrs running has been an embarrasment but have some class.

    The Giants are a classy well run organization that has put itself in position to take advantage of the breaks that come their way. So grow up.

  160. mrsroper says: Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM

    Keep making that face coach … you know … the one you make every time something happens that doesn’t go your way … yeah, that one.

    This.
    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Is he puzzled? Outraged? Even when it goes his way.

  161. boisestatewhodat says: Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM

    Quiet down niner fans…you had a ‘nice’ season…now you’ll go back to being irrelevant and insignificant. My guess is there’s another 6-10 season on tap real soon.

  162. baldingerspinky says: Jan 23, 2012 11:30 AM

    Refs give another victory to the giants. Sucks ass.

  163. bing253 says: Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM

    It will be interesting to see how Harbo handles a three or four game losing streak when it happens? The 49ers margin of error is so small as evident the week against the saints-I mean plus 4 in the turnover margin and they almost lost except for Alex Smith stepping up and making plays down the stretch? (now 49ers fans hate him)

    The 49ers got beat because Eli made more plays on third downs and in the red zone and the 49ers abandoned the run down the stretch. The fumble that Bill Levy blew last week in GB was far worse than that call and the Giants still beat GB.

    Harbo complains about every call even non calls-last week when a Brees shovel pass fell incomplete you could read his lips saying it should be a fumble? A former NFL starting QB like Harbo should know that’s not a fumble it’s an incomplete pass.

  164. hawks49 says: Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM

    @pongonfl

    You mean the same team that threw three straight passes at the end of the 4th only taking :18 off the clock when we knew full well it could give you another chance with plenty of time? The Niners have played to win all season.

    This game was no different.

  165. bigbluelou says: Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM

    Your QB came down to earth. Nice 3rd down conversion ratio. You lost. Deal with it. And Harblow can backslap Williams for his helping us win. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! GO BLUE!
    One More Tynes!

  166. nineroutsider says: Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM

    Sometimes you get those calls and sometimes you don’t. A lot could have been done to secure that game but the 9ers couldn’t do it. Still a great season and one I am very proud. I am holding my head high and all 9er fans should. Congrats to the Giants…they beat the 9ers at their own game and earned that win.

  167. blu4l1fe says: Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM

    skins23 says:
    Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM

    Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….

    And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…

    and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…

    and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……

    must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.

    —————————————-

    This comment, especially coming from a Redskins fan, is very interesting.

    For one, he clearly pays attention to Giants game more than he does Skins games (maybe he should switch teams).

    For him to boldly say that the Giants are the luckiest team in the history of the league is, not even idiotic, but downright dumb. And I think a lot, Giants and even non-Giants fans, will agree to that.

    I will not go into any specifics as he has as this will get really long but I don’t think this guys knows anything about football. The football, as with other sports that uses a ball, bounces and it is up to the teams to take advantage, if an advantage presents itself, of the bounce that the ball takes.

    OK, here’s something simple, maybe you and another Redskin fan or maybe some Eagles or Cowboys fan have the same ASSumption. But when it comes down to it, and I am not discounting the blown calls, the Giants are playing for another Super Bowl while you and your counterparts are sitting at home deciding on who to draft.

    Come on, seriously! You decide to break down the questionable calls in Giants games during the regular and post-season rather than looking at what’s wrong with your team.

    Good job!!! Don’t worry, I’m pretty sure the Redskins will get an honorable mention for occupying the cellar, AGAIN, this past season and making, not just the Giants, but also the Cowboys and the Eagles, look good.

    Go Big Blue!

  168. waxedagain says: Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM

    It clearly was a forward progress call – especially with he ref’s knowledge that the 9ers play a quasi-legal style of stripping vs. tackling. The 9ers attempt to gang tackle so that one or more players can attempt to strip the ball out of the runners arms while his arms are pinned by another tackler. A runner’s hands can be injured when opponents are trying to peel his fingers off the ball. The play is over once his forward progress is stopped

  169. docboss says: Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM

    As a Ram’s fan, but also a fan of the NFC West, I was sorry to see SF get screwed by the “forward progress” ruling.
    Just a couple of other things:
    I hope SF signs Smith to a mega-contract thereby tying up their cap space.
    Before Vernon Davis starts channeling his inner T.O. Does he realize we will call him V.D.? Grow up and act like a professional. But, wow, is this guy awesome on the field.

  170. philly2boston says: Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM

    it’s pretty easy to spot the charmed Gints fans here. I’ll remember your thoughts on forward progress next time Ahmad Bradshaw gets stood up for a few seconds before a lineman barrels behind him to push the pile forward for a first down. seems like your flukey hokey team advances yet again.. The ONLY time the Gints ever looked like a a SB Champion was 25 years ago. Charmed indeed.

  171. zn0rseman says: Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM

    Clear cut fumble. Ref mistake sends Giants to the Super Bowl… much like a ref mistake sent the Saints to the Super Bowl two years ago.

  172. dominicthedonkey says: Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM

    Forty Whiners now that’s funny and exactly right….••••GO GIANTS!!!••••

  173. finfanjim says: Jan 23, 2012 12:59 PM

    miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:03 AM

    Clearly a fumble the ball was stripped before the whistle even blew I don’t understand, but whatever it is what it is

    Clearly you don’t have a DVR. The whistle clearly was blown before the strip. You can argue the whistle was quick, but he was being gang tackled by the 49ers and his progress was clearly stopped. The refs had every right to blow it when they did…

  174. elvoid says: Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM

    Look at it this way: If the refs had ruled it a fumble, the Giants would have absolutely challenged. The basis for the challenge would be that the runner’s forward progress was halted before the “fumble.”

    They would have won that challenge – because that is precisely what happened.

    The ball was ripped out after his forward progress stopped and he was moving backwards.

    Refs get calls wrong plenty – but let’s not get on them when they get one right.

  175. georgebrett says: Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM

    A couple of things that happened.

    #1) the ball did come loose
    #2) the ref did throw a bean bag signifying that the ball came loose
    #3) bradshaw’s progress had been stopped prior to the ball coming loose
    #4) the ref’s whistle clearly blew prior to the ball coming loose.

    With all of these happening and with the rules in the NFL the way they are, this means that they did in fact get the call right.

    1st and foremost the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry and for them not to have full time ref’s that work 5 days a week to get everything closer to 100% is a travesty in itself.

    Next, with all of the technology in this World and the NFL why is it that the ref’s DO NOT have cameras on their hats showing what they did see or did not see? There is no way that there are not biased ref’s in the NFL and either throw flags for their own personal reasons or do not throw flags. Same with fumbles and anything else that could be a judgement call.

    C’mon NFL, get it right!!!

  176. georgebrett says: Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM

    Lastly, it was a great game that could have gone either way.

  177. dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM

    Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.

  178. shaggytoodle says: Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM

    This is just my personal opinion but there has to be a count I don’t care if its “mississippi,” or “bananas” whatever they want to do, on whistling foward progress, but I would like to see atleast some sort of semi-consistant whistle.

    I have watched football games where the pile gets pushed back with 8 guys then the whistle blows, while his “foward progress was stopped,” his knee wasn’t down.I think that was a quick whistle.

    I know its a judgement call and I totally didn’t care who won, and it was a great game. I would just like see a little more consitant on something like that.

  179. nyjetsfan08 says: Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM

    Full disclosure: I’d have preferred the Niners in the SuperBowl over the NYFB.

    The officials got the call right, but the rule is ridiculous and defies logic. They need to revise this “play is dead when the whistle blows” rule. I don’t know what they can do, but that’s why I hope the people who work at the NFL are way smarter than just an NFL diehard.

    It’s kind of like the ref in a combat sports match (i.e. mma, boxing). Some might say the ref stopped the fight too early. Others will say too late. And another group might say it was a good stoppage. When the ref calls the fight over, it’s over. And the lesson is don’t leave it in the ref’s hands.

    However, I think that adage is incredibly dumb. Going back to football, the Niners and the NYFB were neck-and-neck. I mean, the game was going to come down to a mistake by either team, let’s face it. With teams having so much parity in the NFL, due to free agency and salary cap, it’s difficult NOT to leave it in the hands of the officials.

  180. comeonnowguys says: Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM

    dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM

    Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.

    The DC leads me to believe you’re a Giants hater, but “troll” can’t be ruled out completely.

  181. dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 3:31 PM

    I am only trying to get super technical with the rules. Seems to be the cool thing to do these days.

    I am more of a “changing the way football has been played for decades” hater. That I will attest to.

  182. georgebrett says: Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM

    I like your comment I really do.

    I think the problem lies with the refs of the NFL not being full time. Goodell says their just isn’t enough for them to do throughout the week when us as fans see things that could be better almost every game throughout the season.

    This play, although I agree was the right call by the rules, was brought up in the off season and the end result was that the officials were going to allow the play to go on a bit longer for such strips and such. The big problem is that once again it’s a judgement call as to how long is that time frame.

    A few things I believe the NFL could do to make the gfame much more even for all teams.

    #1) no more instant replay at the game stadiums. Instead have a group of people sitting in a room in say New York and when they see a questionable call they buzz the officials or ref on the field and tel them they need to look at the play. The field ref doesn’t need to go under a hood and take so much time because ALL calls will be handled by the SAME group EVERY week. EVERYTHING is reviewable.

    #2) All refs are fit with cameras on their hats so what they are looking at or not looking at is reviewable. Not a man alive can tell me there is bias with some of the refs in the NFL.

    #3) ALL refs will meet in a room each and every week and go over all games from start to finish and work on what is not being called and what is being called. FULL TIME refs.

    #4) Crews are broken up each week and everyone works with everyone throughout the season. Again, no bias.

    Let me know what you think.

  183. rockyd87 says: Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM

    Well, I thought Vernon Davis stepped out of bounds :)

  184. cali49er707 says: Jan 23, 2012 6:49 PM

    dont worry nba the nfl’s seasons almost over & u can have your reffs back

  185. zn0rseman says: Jan 23, 2012 9:45 PM

    jpiro says:
    Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM
    Here’s my issue with “forward progress”:

    If the offensive player gets knocked backward, stopped or forced to move parallel to the line of scrimmage, he still has the opportunity to regain composure/momentum and surge forward again.

    However, if the defense makes a play while he’s moving backward, stopped or parallel, the whistle is blown and their opportunity to make a difference is removed.

    Like most of the rules in the NFL, it seems to unfairly benefit the offense.

    If it was meant to be truly equal, the play would stop completely the moment an offensive player ceases to advance up the field for any reason other than his own choice.

    ——————–

    In 2010 the Packers were playing the Vikings, Adrian Peterson was being carried backwards by a mob of Packers. After being carried back back five yards, the ball was stripped out as Perterson finally managed to start to go to the ground. No whistle. No forward progress.

    Which is it?

    Instant stop at forward progress?

    Or never blow the whistle until the player is down on the ground no matter how much he is pushed back?

    Or is it that they choose which way to apply the inconsistent rule depending on which team the league office would like to have win the game?

  186. jimboslice208 says: Jan 23, 2012 11:36 PM

    Unless your a Pats fan or Giants fan, you have ZERO room to talk about the Niners being overrated, or lucky, or a fluke year, etc. Because only those two teams made if further than the Niners. Mad because your team didnt make the playoffs? Lost early in the playoffs? Didnt have the biggest turn around in the NFL this year?

    As a Niner fan, I say the Niners lost, no excuses. They abandoned the running game in the fourth and the Kyle Williams fumble should not have decided the game if the play calling wasn’t more efficient in the fourth quarter. Did Bradshaw fumble? Doesnt matter anymore.

    To call Niner fans the worst fans of the NFL is ignorant. The last eight years, when they finished no better than 8-8 in any one of those years, the so called “worst fans in the NFL” still sold out 99% of their games. Do the Niners have unclassy fans? Of course, but what teams fan base doesn’t??

    Niner fans get irritated by their team finally being good again, all people say is how they’re lucky and overrated blah blah blah. They’re are teams I dislike, but if they are good, I’ll be the first to give them credit and respect.

    I apologize for rambling and feel free to thumbs down all you want ;) Good luck to the Patriots and Giants, should be a great game :)

  187. killitandeatit says: Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM

    Harbaugh is playing the East coast fan base like a Stadivarius. The so called “tuck rule” was brought up because it allowed a favored East Coast team to win a championship. This was clearly a fumble . The league got the match up they wanted…big surprise.

  188. texugo1984 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:11 AM

    Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared. I rewatched the game from my recording at home. As for the whistle being being blown before the ball was out, FALSE. The whistle blew as the ball was a good foot out of his hands. Clearly fumbled. But due to rules the ball stayed with Giants due to play being dead after whistle. Of course NFL has to back that call. It was on the largest stage. Now for the comments on the 49ers lucky to even play Against the Giants and not worthy? It was an overtime win. The Giants toughest defense they have played all year. They lost to the 49ers by a great defense earlier this season. The comments on this thread are ridiculous. I signed up just to clarify that it was a great game. A missed call, but 49ers had their chances. I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense. Unlucky break went Giants way. I hope they beat Patriots.

  189. georgebrett says: Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM

    texugo1984,

    You said…… I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense

    But you also said…..Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared.

    Fact is, 49ers DIDN’T score more points.

    Fact is, they did get it right.

    BTW, i’m neither a 9er or Giants fan.

  190. jebin12 says: Jan 26, 2012 12:35 AM

    That was clearly a fumble, there is no doubt at all! Just an obvious bad call. The ball was out of his hands before the whistle blew.

    The NFL got exactly what it wanted with the two East Coast teams. The NFL’s East Coast biased is more prevalent then ever. Even the announcers have the East Coast biased, it disgusts me.

    Lets see Brady get his revenge over Manning. Boring!

  191. elvoid says: Jan 26, 2012 1:06 PM

    Jeb – as has been pointed out by many posters on this board:

    It was “clearly a fumble” only for those that don’t “clearly” understand the rules of the game.

    Not liking a rule is one thing – that’s fine. Not agreeing with a rule is also OK – there are plenty of rules I don’t agree with.

    But not understanding a rule and making a conclusion based on that misunderstanding is sad. Here’s a hint:

    The timing of the whistle (ultimately) did not matter on this play. See if that helps get you on the right path.

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