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		<title>By: elvoid</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeb - as has been pointed out by many posters on this board:

It was &quot;clearly a fumble&quot; only for those that don&#039;t &quot;clearly&quot; understand the rules of the game.

Not liking a rule is one thing - that&#039;s fine.  Not agreeing with a rule is also OK - there are plenty of rules I don&#039;t agree with.

But not understanding a rule and making a conclusion based on that misunderstanding is sad.  Here&#039;s a hint:

The timing of the whistle (ultimately) did not matter on this play.  See if that helps get you on the right path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeb &#8211; as has been pointed out by many posters on this board:</p>
<p>It was &#8220;clearly a fumble&#8221; only for those that don&#8217;t &#8220;clearly&#8221; understand the rules of the game.</p>
<p>Not liking a rule is one thing &#8211; that&#8217;s fine.  Not agreeing with a rule is also OK &#8211; there are plenty of rules I don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
<p>But not understanding a rule and making a conclusion based on that misunderstanding is sad.  Here&#8217;s a hint:</p>
<p>The timing of the whistle (ultimately) did not matter on this play.  See if that helps get you on the right path.</p>
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		<title>By: jebin12</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was clearly a fumble,  there is no doubt at all! Just an obvious bad call. The ball was out of his hands before the whistle blew. 

The NFL got exactly what it wanted with the two East Coast teams. The NFL&#039;s East Coast biased is more prevalent then ever. Even the announcers have the East Coast biased, it disgusts me.  

Lets see Brady get his revenge over Manning. Boring!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was clearly a fumble,  there is no doubt at all! Just an obvious bad call. The ball was out of his hands before the whistle blew. </p>
<p>The NFL got exactly what it wanted with the two East Coast teams. The NFL&#8217;s East Coast biased is more prevalent then ever. Even the announcers have the East Coast biased, it disgusts me.  </p>
<p>Lets see Brady get his revenge over Manning. Boring!</p>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[texugo1984,

You said...... I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense

But you also said.....Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared.

Fact is, 49ers DIDN&#039;T score more points.

Fact is, they did get it right.

BTW, i&#039;m neither a 9er or Giants fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>texugo1984,</p>
<p>You said&#8230;&#8230; I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense</p>
<p>But you also said&#8230;..Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared.</p>
<p>Fact is, 49ers DIDN&#8217;T score more points.</p>
<p>Fact is, they did get it right.</p>
<p>BTW, i&#8217;m neither a 9er or Giants fan.</p>
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		<title>By: texugo1984</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared. I rewatched the game from my recording at home. As for the whistle being being blown before the ball was out, FALSE. The whistle blew as the ball was a good foot out of his hands. Clearly fumbled. But due to rules the ball stayed with Giants due to play being dead after whistle. Of course NFL has to back that call. It was on the largest stage. Now for the comments on the 49ers lucky to even play Against the Giants and not worthy? It was an overtime win. The Giants toughest defense they have played all year. They lost to the 49ers by a great defense earlier this season. The comments on this thread are ridiculous. I signed up just to clarify that it was a great game. A missed call, but 49ers had their chances. I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense. Unlucky break went Giants way. I hope they beat Patriots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok there is a lot of talk on here and Absolutly no facts being shared. I rewatched the game from my recording at home. As for the whistle being being blown before the ball was out, FALSE. The whistle blew as the ball was a good foot out of his hands. Clearly fumbled. But due to rules the ball stayed with Giants due to play being dead after whistle. Of course NFL has to back that call. It was on the largest stage. Now for the comments on the 49ers lucky to even play Against the Giants and not worthy? It was an overtime win. The Giants toughest defense they have played all year. They lost to the 49ers by a great defense earlier this season. The comments on this thread are ridiculous. I signed up just to clarify that it was a great game. A missed call, but 49ers had their chances. I truly believe 49ers won this game in the same fashion they did all year. Score enought to win, stout defense. Unlucky break went Giants way. I hope they beat Patriots.</p>
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		<title>By: killitandeatit</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harbaugh is playing the East coast fan base like a Stadivarius. The so called &quot;tuck rule&quot; was brought up because it allowed a favored East Coast team to win a championship. This was clearly a fumble . The league got the match up they wanted...big surprise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harbaugh is playing the East coast fan base like a Stadivarius. The so called &#8220;tuck rule&#8221; was brought up because it allowed a favored East Coast team to win a championship. This was clearly a fumble . The league got the match up they wanted&#8230;big surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: jimboslice208</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless your a Pats fan or Giants fan, you have ZERO room to talk about the Niners being overrated, or lucky, or a fluke year, etc. Because only those two teams made if further than the Niners. Mad because your team didnt make the playoffs? Lost early in the playoffs? Didnt have the biggest turn around in the NFL this year?

As a Niner fan, I say the Niners lost, no excuses. They abandoned the running game in the fourth and the Kyle Williams fumble should not have decided the game if the play calling wasn&#039;t more efficient in the fourth quarter. Did Bradshaw fumble? Doesnt matter anymore.

To call Niner fans the worst fans of the NFL is ignorant. The last eight years, when they finished no better than 8-8 in any one of those years, the so called &quot;worst fans in the NFL&quot; still sold out 99% of their games. Do the Niners have unclassy fans? Of course, but what teams fan base doesn&#039;t??

Niner fans get irritated by their team finally being good again, all people say is how they&#039;re lucky and overrated blah blah blah. They&#039;re are teams I dislike, but if they are good, I&#039;ll be the first to give them credit and respect.

I apologize for rambling and feel free to thumbs down all you want ;) Good luck to the Patriots and Giants, should be a great game :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless your a Pats fan or Giants fan, you have ZERO room to talk about the Niners being overrated, or lucky, or a fluke year, etc. Because only those two teams made if further than the Niners. Mad because your team didnt make the playoffs? Lost early in the playoffs? Didnt have the biggest turn around in the NFL this year?</p>
<p>As a Niner fan, I say the Niners lost, no excuses. They abandoned the running game in the fourth and the Kyle Williams fumble should not have decided the game if the play calling wasn&#8217;t more efficient in the fourth quarter. Did Bradshaw fumble? Doesnt matter anymore.</p>
<p>To call Niner fans the worst fans of the NFL is ignorant. The last eight years, when they finished no better than 8-8 in any one of those years, the so called &#8220;worst fans in the NFL&#8221; still sold out 99% of their games. Do the Niners have unclassy fans? Of course, but what teams fan base doesn&#8217;t??</p>
<p>Niner fans get irritated by their team finally being good again, all people say is how they&#8217;re lucky and overrated blah blah blah. They&#8217;re are teams I dislike, but if they are good, I&#8217;ll be the first to give them credit and respect.</p>
<p>I apologize for rambling and feel free to thumbs down all you want <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Good luck to the Patriots and Giants, should be a great game <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: zn0rseman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jpiro says:
Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM
Here’s my issue with “forward progress”:

If the offensive player gets knocked backward, stopped or forced to move parallel to the line of scrimmage, he still has the opportunity to regain composure/momentum and surge forward again.

However, if the defense makes a play while he’s moving backward, stopped or parallel, the whistle is blown and their opportunity to make a difference is removed.

Like most of the rules in the NFL, it seems to unfairly benefit the offense.

If it was meant to be truly equal, the play would stop completely the moment an offensive player ceases to advance up the field for any reason other than his own choice.

--------------------

In 2010 the Packers were playing the Vikings, Adrian Peterson was being carried backwards by a mob of Packers.  After being carried back back five yards, the ball was stripped out as Perterson finally managed to start to go to the ground.  No whistle.  No forward progress.

Which is it? 

 Instant stop at forward progress?

Or never blow the whistle until the player is down on the ground no matter how much he is pushed back?

Or is it that they choose which way to apply the inconsistent rule depending on which team the league office would like to have win the game?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpiro says:<br />
Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM<br />
Here’s my issue with “forward progress”:</p>
<p>If the offensive player gets knocked backward, stopped or forced to move parallel to the line of scrimmage, he still has the opportunity to regain composure/momentum and surge forward again.</p>
<p>However, if the defense makes a play while he’s moving backward, stopped or parallel, the whistle is blown and their opportunity to make a difference is removed.</p>
<p>Like most of the rules in the NFL, it seems to unfairly benefit the offense.</p>
<p>If it was meant to be truly equal, the play would stop completely the moment an offensive player ceases to advance up the field for any reason other than his own choice.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>In 2010 the Packers were playing the Vikings, Adrian Peterson was being carried backwards by a mob of Packers.  After being carried back back five yards, the ball was stripped out as Perterson finally managed to start to go to the ground.  No whistle.  No forward progress.</p>
<p>Which is it? </p>
<p> Instant stop at forward progress?</p>
<p>Or never blow the whistle until the player is down on the ground no matter how much he is pushed back?</p>
<p>Or is it that they choose which way to apply the inconsistent rule depending on which team the league office would like to have win the game?</p>
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		<title>By: cali49er707</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dont worry nba the nfl&#039;s seasons almost over &amp; u can have your reffs back]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont worry nba the nfl&#8217;s seasons almost over &amp; u can have your reffs back</p>
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		<title>By: rockyd87</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I thought Vernon Davis stepped out of bounds :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I thought Vernon Davis stepped out of bounds <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your comment I really do. 

I think the problem lies with the refs of the NFL not being full time. Goodell says their just isn&#039;t enough for them to do throughout the week when us as fans see things that could be better almost every game throughout the season. 

This play, although I agree was the right call by the rules, was brought up in the off  season and the end result was that the officials were going to allow the play to go on a bit longer for such strips and such. The big problem is that once again it&#039;s a judgement call as to how long is that time frame. 

A few things I believe the NFL could do to make the gfame much more even for all teams. 

#1) no more instant replay at the game stadiums. Instead have a group of people sitting in a room in say New York and when they see a questionable call they buzz the officials or ref on the field and tel them they need to look at the play. The field ref doesn&#039;t need to go under a hood and take so much time because ALL calls will be handled by the SAME group EVERY week. EVERYTHING is reviewable. 

#2) All refs are fit with cameras on their hats so what they are looking at or not looking at is reviewable. Not a man alive can tell me there is bias with some of the refs in the NFL. 

#3) ALL refs will meet in a room each and every week and go over all games from start to finish and work on what is not being called and what is being called. FULL TIME refs.

#4) Crews are broken up each week and everyone works with everyone throughout the season.  Again, no bias.

Let me know what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your comment I really do. </p>
<p>I think the problem lies with the refs of the NFL not being full time. Goodell says their just isn&#8217;t enough for them to do throughout the week when us as fans see things that could be better almost every game throughout the season. </p>
<p>This play, although I agree was the right call by the rules, was brought up in the off  season and the end result was that the officials were going to allow the play to go on a bit longer for such strips and such. The big problem is that once again it&#8217;s a judgement call as to how long is that time frame. </p>
<p>A few things I believe the NFL could do to make the gfame much more even for all teams. </p>
<p>#1) no more instant replay at the game stadiums. Instead have a group of people sitting in a room in say New York and when they see a questionable call they buzz the officials or ref on the field and tel them they need to look at the play. The field ref doesn&#8217;t need to go under a hood and take so much time because ALL calls will be handled by the SAME group EVERY week. EVERYTHING is reviewable. </p>
<p>#2) All refs are fit with cameras on their hats so what they are looking at or not looking at is reviewable. Not a man alive can tell me there is bias with some of the refs in the NFL. </p>
<p>#3) ALL refs will meet in a room each and every week and go over all games from start to finish and work on what is not being called and what is being called. FULL TIME refs.</p>
<p>#4) Crews are broken up each week and everyone works with everyone throughout the season.  Again, no bias.</p>
<p>Let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: dclogicatlast</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am only trying to get super technical with the rules. Seems to be the cool thing to do these days.

I am more of a &quot;changing the way football has been played for decades&quot; hater. That I will attest to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am only trying to get super technical with the rules. Seems to be the cool thing to do these days.</p>
<p>I am more of a &#8220;changing the way football has been played for decades&#8221; hater. That I will attest to.</p>
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		<title>By: comeonnowguys</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM

Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.&lt;/em&gt;

The DC leads me to believe you&#039;re a Giants hater, but &quot;troll&quot; can&#039;t be ruled out completely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>dclogicatlast says: Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM</p>
<p>Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.</em></p>
<p>The DC leads me to believe you&#8217;re a Giants hater, but &#8220;troll&#8221; can&#8217;t be ruled out completely.</p>
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		<title>By: nyjetsfan08</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full disclosure: I&#039;d have preferred the Niners in the SuperBowl over the NYFB.

The officials got the call right, but the rule is ridiculous and defies logic.  They need to revise this &quot;play is dead when the whistle blows&quot; rule.  I don&#039;t know what they can do, but that&#039;s why I hope the people who work at the NFL are way smarter than just an NFL diehard.

It&#039;s kind of like the ref in a combat sports match (i.e. mma, boxing).  Some might say the ref stopped the fight too early.  Others will say too late.  And another group might say it was a good stoppage.   When the ref calls the fight over, it&#039;s over.  And the lesson is don&#039;t leave it in the ref&#039;s hands.

However, I think that adage is incredibly dumb.  Going back to football, the Niners and the NYFB were neck-and-neck.  I mean, the game was going to come down to a mistake by either team, let&#039;s face it.  With teams having so much parity in the NFL, due to free agency and salary cap, it&#039;s difficult NOT to leave it in the hands of the officials.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full disclosure: I&#8217;d have preferred the Niners in the SuperBowl over the NYFB.</p>
<p>The officials got the call right, but the rule is ridiculous and defies logic.  They need to revise this &#8220;play is dead when the whistle blows&#8221; rule.  I don&#8217;t know what they can do, but that&#8217;s why I hope the people who work at the NFL are way smarter than just an NFL diehard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like the ref in a combat sports match (i.e. mma, boxing).  Some might say the ref stopped the fight too early.  Others will say too late.  And another group might say it was a good stoppage.   When the ref calls the fight over, it&#8217;s over.  And the lesson is don&#8217;t leave it in the ref&#8217;s hands.</p>
<p>However, I think that adage is incredibly dumb.  Going back to football, the Niners and the NYFB were neck-and-neck.  I mean, the game was going to come down to a mistake by either team, let&#8217;s face it.  With teams having so much parity in the NFL, due to free agency and salary cap, it&#8217;s difficult NOT to leave it in the hands of the officials.</p>
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		<title>By: shaggytoodle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just my personal opinion but there has to be a count I don&#039;t care if its &quot;mississippi,&quot; or &quot;bananas&quot; whatever they want to do, on whistling foward progress, but I would like to see atleast some sort of semi-consistant whistle. 

I have watched football games where the pile gets pushed back with 8 guys then the whistle blows, while his &quot;foward progress was stopped,&quot; his knee wasn&#039;t down.I think that was a quick whistle. 

I know its a judgement call and I totally didn&#039;t care who won, and it was a great game. I would just like see a little more consitant on something like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just my personal opinion but there has to be a count I don&#8217;t care if its &#8220;mississippi,&#8221; or &#8220;bananas&#8221; whatever they want to do, on whistling foward progress, but I would like to see atleast some sort of semi-consistant whistle. </p>
<p>I have watched football games where the pile gets pushed back with 8 guys then the whistle blows, while his &#8220;foward progress was stopped,&#8221; his knee wasn&#8217;t down.I think that was a quick whistle. </p>
<p>I know its a judgement call and I totally didn&#8217;t care who won, and it was a great game. I would just like see a little more consitant on something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: dclogicatlast</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime a QB is touched while standing in pocket, he should immediately be marked down. His forward progress is stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lastly, it was a great game that could have gone either way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastly, it was a great game that could have gone either way.</p>
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		<title>By: georgebrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of things that happened.

#1) the ball did come loose
#2) the ref did throw a bean bag signifying that the ball came loose
#3) bradshaw&#039;s progress had been stopped prior to the ball coming loose
#4) the ref&#039;s whistle clearly blew prior to the ball coming loose.

With all of these happening and with the rules in the NFL the way they are, this means that they did in fact get the call right. 

1st and foremost the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry and for them not to have full time ref&#039;s that work 5 days a week to get everything closer to 100% is a travesty in itself.

Next, with all of the technology in this World and the NFL why is it that the ref&#039;s DO NOT have cameras on their hats showing what they did see or did not see? There is no way that there are not biased ref&#039;s in the NFL and either throw flags for their own personal reasons or do not throw flags. Same with fumbles and anything else that could be a judgement call. 

C&#039;mon NFL, get it right!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things that happened.</p>
<p>#1) the ball did come loose<br />
#2) the ref did throw a bean bag signifying that the ball came loose<br />
#3) bradshaw&#8217;s progress had been stopped prior to the ball coming loose<br />
#4) the ref&#8217;s whistle clearly blew prior to the ball coming loose.</p>
<p>With all of these happening and with the rules in the NFL the way they are, this means that they did in fact get the call right. </p>
<p>1st and foremost the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry and for them not to have full time ref&#8217;s that work 5 days a week to get everything closer to 100% is a travesty in itself.</p>
<p>Next, with all of the technology in this World and the NFL why is it that the ref&#8217;s DO NOT have cameras on their hats showing what they did see or did not see? There is no way that there are not biased ref&#8217;s in the NFL and either throw flags for their own personal reasons or do not throw flags. Same with fumbles and anything else that could be a judgement call. </p>
<p>C&#8217;mon NFL, get it right!!!</p>
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		<title>By: elvoid</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at it this way:  If the refs had ruled it a fumble, the Giants would have absolutely challenged.  The basis for the challenge would be that the runner&#039;s forward progress was halted before the &quot;fumble.&quot;

They would have won that challenge - because that is precisely what happened.

The ball was ripped out after his forward progress stopped and he was moving backwards.

Refs get calls wrong plenty - but let&#039;s not get on them when they get one right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it this way:  If the refs had ruled it a fumble, the Giants would have absolutely challenged.  The basis for the challenge would be that the runner&#8217;s forward progress was halted before the &#8220;fumble.&#8221;</p>
<p>They would have won that challenge &#8211; because that is precisely what happened.</p>
<p>The ball was ripped out after his forward progress stopped and he was moving backwards.</p>
<p>Refs get calls wrong plenty &#8211; but let&#8217;s not get on them when they get one right.</p>
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		<title>By: finfanjim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:03 AM

Clearly a fumble the ball was stripped before the whistle even blew I don’t understand, but whatever it is what it is



Clearly you don&#039;t have a DVR. The whistle clearly was blown before the strip. You can argue the whistle was quick, but he was being gang tackled by the 49ers and his progress was clearly stopped. The refs had every right to blow it when they did...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miamininer says: Jan 23, 2012 7:03 AM</p>
<p>Clearly a fumble the ball was stripped before the whistle even blew I don’t understand, but whatever it is what it is</p>
<p>Clearly you don&#8217;t have a DVR. The whistle clearly was blown before the strip. You can argue the whistle was quick, but he was being gang tackled by the 49ers and his progress was clearly stopped. The refs had every right to blow it when they did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dominicthedonkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forty Whiners now that&#039;s funny and exactly right....••••GO GIANTS!!!••••]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forty Whiners now that&#8217;s funny and exactly right&#8230;.••••GO GIANTS!!!••••</p>
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		<title>By: zn0rseman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clear cut fumble.  Ref mistake sends Giants to the Super Bowl... much like a ref mistake sent the Saints to the Super Bowl two years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear cut fumble.  Ref mistake sends Giants to the Super Bowl&#8230; much like a ref mistake sent the Saints to the Super Bowl two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: philly2boston</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s pretty easy to spot the charmed Gints fans here.  I&#039;ll remember your thoughts on forward progress next time Ahmad Bradshaw gets stood up for a few seconds before a lineman barrels behind him to push the pile forward for a first down.  seems like your flukey hokey team advances yet again..  The ONLY time the Gints ever looked like a a SB Champion was 25 years ago.  Charmed indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s pretty easy to spot the charmed Gints fans here.  I&#8217;ll remember your thoughts on forward progress next time Ahmad Bradshaw gets stood up for a few seconds before a lineman barrels behind him to push the pile forward for a first down.  seems like your flukey hokey team advances yet again..  The ONLY time the Gints ever looked like a a SB Champion was 25 years ago.  Charmed indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: docboss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Ram&#039;s fan,  but also a fan of the NFC West, I was sorry to see SF get screwed by the &quot;forward progress&quot; ruling. 
Just a couple of other things:
I hope SF signs Smith to a mega-contract thereby tying up their cap space.
Before Vernon Davis starts channeling his inner T.O. Does he realize we will call him V.D.? Grow up and act like a professional. But, wow, is this guy awesome on the field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Ram&#8217;s fan,  but also a fan of the NFC West, I was sorry to see SF get screwed by the &#8220;forward progress&#8221; ruling.<br />
Just a couple of other things:<br />
I hope SF signs Smith to a mega-contract thereby tying up their cap space.<br />
Before Vernon Davis starts channeling his inner T.O. Does he realize we will call him V.D.? Grow up and act like a professional. But, wow, is this guy awesome on the field.</p>
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		<title>By: waxedagain</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It clearly was a forward progress call - especially with he ref&#039;s knowledge that the 9ers play a quasi-legal style of stripping vs. tackling. The 9ers attempt to gang tackle so that one or more players can attempt to strip the ball out of the runners arms while his arms are pinned by another tackler.  A runner&#039;s hands can be injured when opponents are trying to peel his fingers off the ball. The play is over once his forward progress is stopped]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It clearly was a forward progress call &#8211; especially with he ref&#8217;s knowledge that the 9ers play a quasi-legal style of stripping vs. tackling. The 9ers attempt to gang tackle so that one or more players can attempt to strip the ball out of the runners arms while his arms are pinned by another tackler.  A runner&#8217;s hands can be injured when opponents are trying to peel his fingers off the ball. The play is over once his forward progress is stopped</p>
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		<title>By: blu4l1fe</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[skins23 says:
Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM

Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….

And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…

and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…

and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……

must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.

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This comment, especially coming from a Redskins fan, is very interesting.

For one, he clearly pays attention to Giants game more than he does Skins games (maybe he should switch teams).

For him to boldly say that the Giants are the luckiest team in the history of the league is, not even idiotic, but downright dumb.  And I think a lot, Giants and even non-Giants fans, will agree to that.

I will not go into any specifics as he has as this will get really long but I don&#039;t think this guys knows anything about football.  The football, as with other sports that uses a ball, bounces and it is up to the teams to take advantage, if an advantage presents itself, of the bounce that the ball takes.

OK, here&#039;s something simple, maybe you and another Redskin fan or maybe some Eagles or Cowboys fan have the same ASSumption.  But when it comes down to it, and I am not discounting the blown calls, the Giants are playing for another Super Bowl while you and your counterparts are sitting at home deciding on who to draft.

Come on, seriously!  You decide to break down the questionable calls in Giants games during the regular and post-season rather than looking at what&#039;s wrong with your team.

Good job!!!  Don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m pretty sure the Redskins will get an honorable mention for occupying the cellar, AGAIN, this past season and making, not just the Giants, but also the Cowboys and the Eagles, look good.

Go Big Blue!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skins23 says:<br />
Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM</p>
<p>Of course it went the Giants way. Just like the dropped INTs and the backup punt returner single handedly handing them the game….</p>
<p>And the hail mary and all the Green Bay drops and Aaron Rodgers just plain missing wide open guys for touchdowns and every fumble in that game bouncing right into their hands…</p>
<p>and the victor cruz “fumble” vs the cards, the brandon marshall “pass interference”, the ryan fitzpatrick interception, the pass interference vs new england to end the game…</p>
<p>and the tyree play where 3 holding calls were missed, the dropped asante samuel interception, the brett favre interception, the scott norwood miss, the roger craig fumble……</p>
<p>must be nice to always get the perfect play at the perfect time. you guys should put a 4 leaf clover on the side of your helmet.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>This comment, especially coming from a Redskins fan, is very interesting.</p>
<p>For one, he clearly pays attention to Giants game more than he does Skins games (maybe he should switch teams).</p>
<p>For him to boldly say that the Giants are the luckiest team in the history of the league is, not even idiotic, but downright dumb.  And I think a lot, Giants and even non-Giants fans, will agree to that.</p>
<p>I will not go into any specifics as he has as this will get really long but I don&#8217;t think this guys knows anything about football.  The football, as with other sports that uses a ball, bounces and it is up to the teams to take advantage, if an advantage presents itself, of the bounce that the ball takes.</p>
<p>OK, here&#8217;s something simple, maybe you and another Redskin fan or maybe some Eagles or Cowboys fan have the same ASSumption.  But when it comes down to it, and I am not discounting the blown calls, the Giants are playing for another Super Bowl while you and your counterparts are sitting at home deciding on who to draft.</p>
<p>Come on, seriously!  You decide to break down the questionable calls in Giants games during the regular and post-season rather than looking at what&#8217;s wrong with your team.</p>
<p>Good job!!!  Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m pretty sure the Redskins will get an honorable mention for occupying the cellar, AGAIN, this past season and making, not just the Giants, but also the Cowboys and the Eagles, look good.</p>
<p>Go Big Blue!</p>
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		<title>By: nineroutsider</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes you get those calls and sometimes you don&#039;t. A lot could have been done to secure that game but the 9ers couldn&#039;t do it. Still a great season and one I am very proud. I am holding my head high and all 9er fans should. Congrats to the Giants...they beat the 9ers at their own game and earned that win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you get those calls and sometimes you don&#8217;t. A lot could have been done to secure that game but the 9ers couldn&#8217;t do it. Still a great season and one I am very proud. I am holding my head high and all 9er fans should. Congrats to the Giants&#8230;they beat the 9ers at their own game and earned that win.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbluelou</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your QB came down to earth. Nice 3rd down conversion ratio. You lost. Deal with it. And Harblow can backslap Williams for his helping us win. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! GO BLUE!
One More Tynes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your QB came down to earth. Nice 3rd down conversion ratio. You lost. Deal with it. And Harblow can backslap Williams for his helping us win. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! GO BLUE!<br />
One More Tynes!</p>
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		<title>By: hawks49</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pongonfl 

You mean the same team that threw three straight passes at the end of the 4th only taking :18 off the clock when we knew full well it could give you another chance with plenty of time? The Niners have played to win all season. 

This game was no different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pongonfl </p>
<p>You mean the same team that threw three straight passes at the end of the 4th only taking :18 off the clock when we knew full well it could give you another chance with plenty of time? The Niners have played to win all season. </p>
<p>This game was no different.</p>
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		<title>By: bing253</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will be interesting to see how Harbo handles a three or four game losing streak when it happens? The 49ers margin of error is so small as evident the week against the saints-I mean plus 4 in the turnover margin and they almost lost except for Alex Smith stepping up and making plays down the stretch? (now 49ers fans hate him) 

The 49ers got beat because Eli made more plays on third downs and in the red zone and the 49ers abandoned the run down the stretch. The fumble that  Bill Levy blew last week in GB was far worse than that call and the Giants still beat GB.  

Harbo complains about every call even non calls-last week when a Brees shovel pass fell incomplete you could read his lips saying it should be a fumble? A former NFL starting QB like Harbo should know that&#039;s not a fumble it&#039;s an incomplete pass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see how Harbo handles a three or four game losing streak when it happens? The 49ers margin of error is so small as evident the week against the saints-I mean plus 4 in the turnover margin and they almost lost except for Alex Smith stepping up and making plays down the stretch? (now 49ers fans hate him) </p>
<p>The 49ers got beat because Eli made more plays on third downs and in the red zone and the 49ers abandoned the run down the stretch. The fumble that  Bill Levy blew last week in GB was far worse than that call and the Giants still beat GB.  </p>
<p>Harbo complains about every call even non calls-last week when a Brees shovel pass fell incomplete you could read his lips saying it should be a fumble? A former NFL starting QB like Harbo should know that&#8217;s not a fumble it&#8217;s an incomplete pass.</p>
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		<title>By: baldingerspinky</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Refs give another victory to the giants. Sucks ass.]]></description>
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