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If Pats “cheated” Ravens, then shame on the Ravens

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Plenty of you have pointed out that the scoreboard at Gillette Stadium showed that it was third down when the Ravens actually faced the fourth down that became a field goal attempt that then became a field goal failure that sent the Patriots to the Super Bowl without having to win the game in overtime.

Ravens kicking consultant Randy Brown (yes, they actually employ a kicking consultant) had some potentially inflammatory remarks regarding the situation Tuesday morning on WIP radio in Philly.

“The scoreboard was one down behind, the entire last three plays, from what we understand,” Brown told our pal Angelo Cataldi.  Asked if the Patriots did it on purpose, Brown said, “I don’t think you can rule anything out in New England, can you?

Let’s humor Randy Brown, who was on the receiving end of a late-game shove from coach John Harbaugh that was caught on camera, and assume the Patriots instructed their scoreboard operator to pull a Jedi mind trick on the Ravens by screwing up the down.  Why in the hell are the Ravens trusting the Patriots’ scoreboard operator to provide accurate information in crunch time of the AFC title game?  If, as Brown contends, “I don’t think you can rule anything out in New England,” it would be foolish to presume that the Patriots haven’t deliberately botched with the down information.

Besides, why would the Ravens ever leave to chance the possibility that the scoreboard operator, accidentally or otherwise, has screwed up?  The official down information is kept at field level, on those big orange sticks with the large number that reads 1, 2, 3, or 4.

The burden falls on both teams to at all times know what the down is.  And if the Ravens choose to employ a “kicking consultant,” shouldn’t at a minimum the kicking consultant be consulting with the kicker as to when the kicker has to go out and kick?

Even if there’s any way to legitimately place blame on the Patriots for intentionally providing false down information to the Ravens via the scoreboard, the Ravens could have pressed pause on the process by calling a timeout.  Instead, kicker Billy Cundiff became something akin to a participant in the Olympic skiing-and-shooting event known as the biathlon, running out to his position and then trying to regain his composure in time to put the ball through its target.

John Harbaugh spent nine years as the Eagles’ special-teams coordinator.  If Harbaugh didn’t have the presence of mind to sense trouble and take a time out under those circumstances, the Ravens have no business suggesting that the Patriots in some way cheated.

That should be the end of the discussion, but the fact that Brown opted to throw stones at the Patriots could prompt a response from the league office.  After all, the last time a team employee made off-the-cuff accusations regarding special-teams skullduggery, Jets owner Woody Johnson ended up calling Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Dolphins owner Stephen Ross with an apology.

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220 Responses to “If Pats “cheated” Ravens, then shame on the Ravens”
  1. seanmmartin says: Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM

    Every level I have played, EVERYONE on special teams is warned at the BEGINNING of third down to prepare for a punt or field goal.

    This is the NFL, and nothing should be different.

  2. nepatriots128154 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:46 PM

    I thought that the NFL is the one controlling the scoreboard, not someone from the Pats, but I may be wrong.

    Also, there are people on the sideline standing there with a giant stick that reads the downs. If you’re entire team completely relies on just the electronic scoreboard to know the downs of the biggest drive of your season, then you don’t belong in the Super Bowl.

    Sour. Grapes.

  3. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:47 PM

    After initially showing a lot of grace after their loss, I can see the Ravens reverting to their normal whining and crying. Nothing is ever their fault. I assume the Pats also pulled the “Jedi mind tricks” to stop Harbaugh, the kicker or anyone else from calling the time out.

    Please. This “if you lose to the Pats just claim cheating” is getting really old.

    The kicker wasn’t paying attention. He ignored the Ravens coaching staff repeatedly when they were trying to get his attention and get him on the field. Now he’s using this lame excuse to try and save his job.

  4. baltimoreballs says: Jan 24, 2012 8:47 PM

    It still doesn’t change the fact that he shanked it.

  5. greevz52 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:47 PM

    Why does this even matter? No Raven players or coaches have complained about the scoreboard, so it’s not like they’re using it as an excuse. They fully know they probably rushed Cundiff out there too quick. The only ones making the Ravens seem like they’re using this as an excuse are media outlets like this one. A stupid “kicking consultant” is not representative of 53 players and coaches who actually play a role in the games

  6. jimbobobjr says: Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM

    Does anyone in the Ravens organization NOT whine? How pathetic. Only one of the many reasons why they will NEVER win a Super Bowl (again).

  7. wethog66 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM

    Comments like this don’t surprise me from Baltimore. Crows don’t like to eat crow.

  8. avianflew says: Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM

    Doesn’t matter if it’s the Raven’s responsibility to watch the downs, there was still cheating and that’s inexcusable. That’s like saying that if your home is burglarized and you forgot to lock the door, then the burglar is off the hook. BS.

  9. thebassbiscuit says: Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM

    Ravens fan here. It’s done. Great game. Well played. We lost. Congrats to the Pat who were the better team. Great things to look forward to in Baltimore. No excuses.

  10. golonger says: Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM

    “The burden falls on both teams to at all times know what the down is.”

    This statement is total bs….the burden of providing correct and updated information is on the stadium showcasing the event. Saying each team needs to do so is ridiculous…..get a friggin clue!

  11. ogre2010 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:50 PM

    Grow up!!

  12. wtfchiefs says: Jan 24, 2012 8:51 PM

    Win like a man.
    Take a loss like a man.
    Don’t b***h out
    Don’t go crying to the media.

    If you don’t like something, whoop ‘em good next time for it.

  13. barklikeadog says: Jan 24, 2012 8:51 PM

    1, 2, 3, 4…… Duh!

  14. nepatriots128154 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM

    Also, this just shows the lingering effects of spygate. The Patriots beat a team legitimately, and some dope from the loosing side will hint at cheating. Randy Brown is using a pathetic and lazy way to try excuse himself and his team from botching the biggest play of their season.

  15. slickzmoney says: Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM

    Did they not realize they had as timeout? I just can’t figure out why they would rush unless they thought they had to.

  16. wadecounty93 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM

    Ravens should have won that game, and thats all their is to be said, there shouldnt even have been a FG attmep……Lee Evans!

  17. bdb808757 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM

    The Ravens lost because of several self inflicted reasons; thus, they should not play the gold!

  18. dmartin17 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:53 PM

    If you can’t keep track of downs, that’s on you. There is literally a GIANT stick with the number on it.

  19. whatsnext12 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:54 PM

    NFL does run the scoreboard, not the Pats organization. Brown deserves a hefty fine.

  20. niko0063 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:55 PM

    Ok here’s how the convo went down between bill and the teenage scoreboard operator he’s never talked to…

    Bill: scoreboard guy, if by chance the game comes down to Balt in fg range for the win or tie, I want you to mess with them and put the wrong down up there

    Scoreboard guy: sure bill, I can do that, but how will I know?

    Bill: code word is twinkle toes

    Scoreboard guy: u got it bill!

    Sounds legit to me

  21. kmdp4 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM

    More excuses from the whiny B-More fans damn they cry a lot, you lost try again next year.

  22. d12f6m says: Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM

    Patriots cheat again. should of taken away the Super Bowl against the Panthers for illegally stealing the defenses signals. Just what they are really made of.

  23. nfl1818 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM

    when the CBS cameras are following you around, as they were for the entire drive, thats generally a sign that a big kick might be coming up

  24. timegambit says: Jan 24, 2012 8:57 PM

    Jesse Ventura and his RV are heading east as we speak.

  25. denverhighrize says: Jan 24, 2012 8:57 PM

    Well at least people from the Ravens did the classy thing and waited over 48 hours to start complaining. Que the “Patriots are Cheaters!” rant.

  26. war27 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:57 PM

    A lot of what the NFL wants to hear over the last few days on here

  27. fbothharbaughs says: Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM

    “Who’s got it better than us??”

    New England & New York for starters, dummies. Sounds like Johnny’s upset he couldn’t get yet another Gatorade bath…

  28. justwinbaby4life says: Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM

    The Patriots always seem to get everything called their way at critical moments in the game.

    I wonder how many champioships they really would have won if the NFL didn’t help them out.

    Why wasn’t the Evans drop at least reviewed!

    Come’on Man

  29. dietrich43 says: Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM

    I agree with him. Explains why Cundiff wasn’t ready. And makes the Ravens coaches look like morons.

  30. kacapaco says: Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM

    Oh God. I never dreamed Ray Lewis’s franchise will be as cry baby as these bunch of sore losers. Go Steelers.

  31. grogansneck says: Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM

    Wow…the big bad Ravens whine worse than the Jets

  32. kate773 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM

    Oh %*#$. Seriously? This again? Damn! People just can’t accept the Pats winning, can they? F*** Matt Walsh and F*** Eric Mangini. Because of them every time the Pats win a big game they’re always going to look for a way to delegitimize it. Pats haters just love this crap. It’s like sustenance to them. Bozosforall should be here any minute to eat this up.

    BTW – the scoreboard operators are run by the NFL, not the teams themselves. But I know that won’t matter to some. I just wanted to bring that up.

  33. alldonesmith says: Jan 24, 2012 9:02 PM

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pause] — shame on you. Fool me — [pause] — You can’t get fooled again.”

    – George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States

  34. bsandcs says: Jan 24, 2012 9:02 PM

    this is getting ridiculous. apparently everyone else on the sideline knew what down it was. okay so 1 of the electronic score boards was behind. that’s why you’re gonna say you lost?

    i swear if someone trips over a gatorade bottle on the sideline, the patriots will be accused of intentionally planting gatorade bottles near opposing teams benches

  35. deebo92 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM

    and yet Baltimore still had a timeout to use and didn’t

  36. thesarcasm says: Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM

    Once a cheater always a cheater.

  37. steelcurtainn says: Jan 24, 2012 9:06 PM

    Pats and cheaters in the same sentence….hmmm what a surprise.

  38. cowhawkfan says: Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM

    Who are the idiots on this board whining about the Ravens whining? Can you people read? I haven’t heard a single Raven player or coach whine or make excuses…it’s a “kicking consultant”. You whiners are complying about the Ravens not keeping track of the downs, yet you can’t read well enough to notice not a single Raven player or coach is complaint!! Hypocritical much!?

  39. emaimo80 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM

    Harbaughs are the biggest whiners in the nfl!

  40. Henry says: Jan 24, 2012 9:11 PM

    I hope this dbag consultant gets paid well because he is definitely going to be fined for the “I wouldn’t put it past the Patriots” comment.
    Way to whine, bro.
    NFL will be calling you soon.

  41. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM

    “d12f6m says:
    Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM
    Patriots cheat again. should of taken away the Super Bowl against the Panthers for illegally stealing the defenses signals. Just what they are really made of.”

    Funny that we never hear anyone say the Panthers should have their NFC Champion title for that year taken away because they were riddled with steroid users and cheated their way to the point they managed to reach.

    Three Panthers players were fined and suspended by the league for their steroid use after that season was over, and who knows how many more on the team were using that managed to avoid getting caught.

    Lets drop the double standard shall we ?

  42. chocopoppy says: Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM

    As usual, the Ravens can’t ever admit they were beaten. They always cry, whine, and blame.

  43. lemmam says: Jan 24, 2012 9:13 PM

    Most of you know there are two down boxes, one on each sideline, at each NFL game. A few years ago at a Houston Texans preseason game, the downbox on the visitor sideline was on 3rd down when actually it was 4th down. Kubiak’s play call was based on 3rd down, the box he could readily see. He was none too pleased at the chain crew for that. So it does happen.

  44. donkeykong2011 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:14 PM

    Is it possible that the Ravens just didn’t make enough plays to win?

  45. contract says: Jan 24, 2012 9:17 PM

    It was a 32 yard FG. I can run out there and kick one from 32 yards.

    Cundiff just choked.

  46. johntonioholmes says: Jan 24, 2012 9:17 PM

    Next time my favorite team plays the Ravens, I’m going to tell the scoreboard operator to change the actual score of the game.

    Maybe the Ravens will start running out the clock, foolishly thinking that they have a big lead, while they’re actually trailing.

    Really, this is hilarious. Just look at those bright orange, 10 foot tall sticks next time.

    Or have the presence of mind to call a timeout!

  47. all4patriots says: Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM

    The error likely was made on Bolden’s fumble out of bounds. The ref first marked the ball where it went out of bounds, which would have been a new 1st down.

    Another ref correctly indicated that a fumble that goes forward and out-of-bounds returns to where it was fumbled, so the ball was re-spotted and it was made 2nd down, properly.

    Perhaps the NFL employee operating the scoreboard followed the signal of the first ref and not the second.

    One of the refs is assigned to keep an eye on the scoreboard clock, and another watches the dial-a-down sticks for errors. I don’t think anyone checks the down info posted on the scoreboard, because it is not official: Only the sticks matter.

    It is hard to imagine how this could have been orchestrated, and how every player but one, every coach, and even every fan was not confused about the down at all. If you have a plan to organizing this, you tinfoil hat wearers, let me know.

    Also, kickers are taught to be ready on 3rd down, since time may be slim.

    And finally, if anyone were indeed confused, there is the matter of a timeout still in your pocket. Cundiff, Harbaugh, or any player could have called it.

  48. rogerbrad says: Jan 24, 2012 9:19 PM

    Flacco is the one that started this story…

  49. vincentbojackson says: Jan 24, 2012 9:19 PM

    Ed Reed thinks the scoreboard operator was rattled.

  50. johntonioholmes says: Jan 24, 2012 9:20 PM

    justwinbaby4life

    Oh please. Between the Pats and the Ravens, the Ravens were the lucky team this year when it came to weird calls.

  51. freedomispopular says: Jan 24, 2012 9:20 PM

    I’m currently unemployed. Could the Ravens use an assistant to the kicking consultant? Or how about a timeout consultant?

  52. east96st says: Jan 24, 2012 9:22 PM

    My 11 year old son – who is a Giants fan, as am I, so we had no stake in this game – kept asking me, “Why aren’t they taking their timeout? Why don’t they call a timeout?”. All I could say was I had no idea. So, since an 11 year old knew the right thing to do and no else on the Ravens did, I am willing to home school him and offer his services as a kicking consultant to the Ravens. I want double Randy Brown’s salary because, frankly, my son is more competent and understands football better than Randy does. Will probably give a better interview on the radio, as well. I guarantee he’ll call the timeout at the proper time. But if Harbaugh tries to push him after the game, I’m pretty he’ll kick Harbaugh’s ass.

  53. upyoursnfu says: Jan 24, 2012 9:22 PM

    Just another thing Baltimorons will cry about til the end of time.

  54. habsman says: Jan 24, 2012 9:23 PM

    Game is over.

    So what are you going to do about it?

    Answer: Cry, and cry, and cry some more.

    Sorry, they’re not going to replay the game.

    Pats one win away from shiney, clean untainted trophy number 4.

    Some very nervous haters out there. Time for a beer!

  55. slickzmoney says: Jan 24, 2012 9:23 PM

    Maybe this was like the Novak situation earlier this year and Cundiff was distracted b/c he had to take a leak. Standing on the sidelines drinking gatorade all game and not sweating. Could see sideline porto-potties next year or maybe kickers should be required to wear Depends. Then again “The Hogs” of the 80’s just wizzed in their unis. I miss the old days.

  56. rcampore says: Jan 24, 2012 9:24 PM

    If they weren’t sure about what down it was and were rushing the kicker, why didn’t they just use their last timeout?? Did the patriots tell them they had none left too? I never understand why teams take timeouts into the locker room in critical moments.

  57. magicrats says: Jan 24, 2012 9:25 PM

    Maybe Cundiff realized the scoreboard was wrong, thought it was a malfunction, and figured he would kick the ball at the scoreboard instead of through the uprights to reset it to the right down.

    Well played pats…..well played

  58. Brantley says: Jan 24, 2012 9:26 PM

    First of all, Pro Football Talk, you should know that the NFL runs the scoreboards not the team, so you could easily just pointed that out in the article.

    Second, I was at the game. Everyone there knew it was fourth down because we have a pulse and can follow a game and count to four. It was also on the chain crew’s down marker that it was fourth down. When I noticed that the one scoreboard listed 3rd down, I just figured it was running behind, no one there thought it was actually 3rd down.

    If Billy Cundiff and this kicking assistant can’t count to four or follow their own team when the game is on the line and realize they need to be ready to kick a field goal, then they didn’t deserve to win in the first place.

  59. lordstanley716 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:26 PM

    League should operate the boards in every stadium. Just like an official, league doesn’t let teams hire them?!?!

  60. psuravens19 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:28 PM

    Lee Evans – JUST CATCH THE BALL and this doesn’t matter.

    Signed,
    Ravens Fan.

  61. nflfan1 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:29 PM

    What he should be questioning is how he allowed the coach to “shove” him around like that on the sidelines. Now that the games over he wants to get tough? 90% of the Ravens organization showed class after that loss, it’s the 10% like this clown that are going to give them a bad name.

  62. nickster2k says: Jan 24, 2012 9:29 PM

    I hate the Ravens, but I have to say that whether or not it was intentional, they were screwed. Deadspin interviewed Cundiff and he was rushed because of the mistake on the scoreboard. The kicker, holder, snapper and kicking coach all have a sideline routine when in field goal range and they cannot see the sideline markers from where they are– so they depend on the scoreboard. Cundiff never got to finish his “routine” because of the mistake and he was rushed.

    Why Harbaugh didn’t use the last timeout, however, is puzzling. Too bad both teams couldn’t lose.

  63. situsavaisprier says: Jan 24, 2012 9:30 PM

    Nothing will change the fact that Billy Cundiff tried to give the fans in the stands a football souvenir with that kick.

  64. kshellz11 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:30 PM

    First of all, “Kicking Consultant”? Is that really a job on an NFL team? Does he tell the kicker what way the wind is blowing? To keep his toes pointed? Come on now.

    On the scoreboard note, the scoreboard isn’t official. What is on the sidelines is what is official, so it’s the coach’s fault and the kickers fault of the Raven’s for not knowing what down it is.

    Everyone bringing up the whole “cheating” thing, say what you want, it won’t change history.

  65. slickzmoney says: Jan 24, 2012 9:32 PM

    Also, to be fair to the Ravens(I am not a Ravens) fan, this is one guy saying this who most of the players have probably never even heard of. He does not speak for the team and from what I could tell, the team and HC handled the loss with class.

  66. nesuperfan says: Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM

    I don’t know who runs the scoreboard, but since when is that official? I thought the down marker was what is considered official.

  67. wikidpissah says: Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM

    Aren’t the Patriots, and everyone else in the stadium looking at the same scoreboard? Did any of the announcers give the wrong down during the broadcasts? Both the Ravens and the Patriots field goal offensive and defensive units got on the field. It was just the kicker and the coach.

    So the devious Patriots knew that if they posted the wrong down on the scoreboard, the kicker and his kicking consultant would both look up and be ill prepared for the attempt, and the entire Ravens’ coaching staff would fail to call a time out.

    Makes sense to me.

  68. dawhorsefeathers says: Jan 24, 2012 9:38 PM

    A) It has been reported over and over that many kickers, including Cundiff, use the scoreboard to monitor the down use to crowded sidelines and inability to see the sticks. It usually works out, but it’s not foolproof.

    B) It’s kind of funny to hear Steeler fans, of all people, accusing us of complaining. It was only a few short weeks ago that you were livid over calls in both of our games against Cincinnati. First for Gresham’s drop in Baltimore, then the hail mary in Cincinnati that “robbed you of the AFCN.” Quit whining about calls in games your team isn’t even involved in, then maybe someone, anyone, will take you seriously.

  69. wicky888 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:39 PM

    Did the Ravens know they had a time out? Or did the score board operator take that away too?

  70. dowhatifeellike says: Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM

    Why is everyone jumping on Ravens fans? This story was created by the media and they will continue to bring it up all week. I tried to say that earlier but my comment was deleted.

  71. steve1iron says: Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM

    Sour grapes. Finally found out who the fool is who was shoved by Harbaugh. Kicking consultant! You’re kidding, right?

  72. cometkazie says: Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM

    Let’s go back to keeping the time on the field . . . .

  73. ike73 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM

    i was sitting in the stands and i knew what down it was. on fourth down pretty much everyone around me said simultaneously “time for a field goal.”

    it’s a shame that the kicking consultant wasn’t as up to speed

  74. all4patriots says: Jan 24, 2012 9:43 PM

    To Cundiff’s credit, he isn’t whining.

    He might be the only Raven who isn’t. He instead decided to man up and admit that he screwed up.

  75. ravensman says: Jan 24, 2012 9:45 PM

    I see plenty of negative comments about the Ravens, their management,their fans and pretty much all of Maryland on here! Honestly though, I keep pretty close track of news about the Ravens on a daily basis, and this was the first I heard of anyone saying that the Patriots cheated.
    The scoreboard is for the fans; and it is up to the coaching staff to make sure the players involved know where to be and when to be there. The sources I read was that Cundiff said that he was going by the scoreboard, as he was practicing and not watching the game. And he made that statement AFTER acknowledging that he was at fault.
    Sure, there’s lots of sour grapes fans. I’ve heard a few complain the officials cheated the Ravens with the incomplete pass call on Lee Evans – which was clearly the right call. But I hear those complaints from fans of all teams. But to call out nearly all the residents of a state because a minority whines?

    Stay classy, people.

  76. deadskinsforlife says: Jan 24, 2012 9:49 PM

    While I agree that this should not be used as an excuse (and is not bay any REAL coach or player or fan), if it did indeed happen then some fault has to be put on the Patriots, or NFL, or whoever controls the scoreboard.

    Saying you cannot rely on the scoreboard is like saying you cannot rely on the lights, if they go off it’s your own fault for not bringing a generator and flashlights to see where you need to kick the ball.

    Either way, they botched it multiple times down the stretch, that’s their own fault and nobody else can be blamed.

    -Skins Fan

  77. 49erlifer says: Jan 24, 2012 9:49 PM

    No Patriots cheating? Not the Patriots.

  78. sgtr0c says: Jan 24, 2012 9:50 PM

    I have listened to WIP drives for 20 years. I love all the cast of all the shows going back before steve fredricks and mike mis stuff. Angelo has become a little creepy talking to the bikini type 18 yr old girls…This kinda billboard type pimping doesn;t suprise me from him on this article….Rhea, Al, Jonesy, Ric, and Joe C., run like heck away.

    Angilo, for a radio personality, you make a great a great journalist, go back to writing.

  79. billymc75 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:50 PM

    Im still shocked over no review on the evans supposed dropped touchdown.

  80. ham1 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:50 PM

    Is there any doubt that the Ravens are the biggest crybabies in the whole NFL?
    Always somebody else cheated them, did them wrong, didnt give them enough positive media attention……..on and on it goes.

  81. jason9696 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:51 PM

    The Patriots cheating again. How surprising. It doesn’t matter the Giants are going to beat them again in the rematch.

  82. nesuperfan says: Jan 24, 2012 9:51 PM

    So much for Patriots-Giants stories for the next two weeks…instead we will continue to get Ravens’ whiny stories.

  83. ravensfan4life52 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:52 PM

    This guy should be fired. We lost a long hard fought game and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. And whining and complaining on the radio and accusing the Pats of cheating isn’t going to change a thing. I say we fire this guy and that’ll send a message to any other idiots in our organization that whining to the public about something that can’t be changed won’t be tolerated. That being said I hope the Pats go into Indy and destroy the Giants. It would be poetic justice for Brady to win another ring in Peyton’s palace playing against Peyton’s brother.

  84. bricketh says: Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM

    I believe the scoreboard operator likely thought the same thing I (and Suggs and the other Ravens) thought: that the Ravens had a first down when the ball was fumbled out of bounds… Suggs said as much with Bayless, and I honestly was surprised when they were short. Maybe the Scoreboard operator reset the downs to first after that, and it really was 2nd down…. That would explain the difference potentially, but it still doesn’t give anyone reason to blame that on the Pats. Even if the Pats do control the scoreboard (which I don’t think they would), the refs have the official info on the sidelines, and the team should always be aware of down and distance.

  85. deadskinsforlife says: Jan 24, 2012 9:54 PM

    One more note I just thought of…

    If this did actually happen, that does explain why the kicker would have been late getting onto the field and ignored his coaches yelling to him. He goes through his routine over by his net behind everything and everyone else. He cannot see the down markers on the field from there, so he WOULD be relying on the scoreboard. Still, I don’t think it is an excuse because someone should have been standing right next to him to keep tabs on everything.

  86. sophiethegreatdane says: Jan 24, 2012 9:56 PM

    Ravens fan here. I was at the game, and saw that the scoreboard said 3rd down when me and my friends around me knew it was fourth. The scoreboard was corrected pretty quickly. I’ve seen this happen time and again at sports events — it’s just one of those things.

    I don’t believe there was any intentional deceit. This ridiculous discussion needs to end here, and is making the organization look foolish.

    Bottom line, Ravens: score more points than the opposition.

  87. bss753 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM

    Is that how they do it, I thought they used the sprinkler system in the control room to trip the visiting team. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  88. BTC says: Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM

    habsman says:
    Jan 24, 2012 9:23 PM

    Pats one win away from shiney, clean untainted trophy number 4.
    ___________________________________

    Actually, that “shiney” trophy would be the Pats’ FIRST one that is untainted. Their previous three came as proven cheaters who were eventually caught red-handed.

    Nice try, though.

  89. wethog66 says: Jan 24, 2012 9:59 PM

    @ravensman

    Lived my entire life in MD, and I am not a Crows fan, and I don’t recall any comment on here disparaging the state of MD. Just the Crows, their assitant kicking leg warmer upper, and that **** hole that is the City of Baltimore.

    Having said all that, if Lee Evans puts that TD pass away like a veteran WR should the Crows are dancing a jig on their way to Indy, not the Pats. But hey I am glad he didn’t because that means Annapolis, MD native, and fellow AHS Alum, Bill Belichick has a chance to win another SB title.

  90. themonster49 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM

    To the Author:

    Can we really rule out anything that happens around Bill Belichick? Doesn’t mean it is wrong, maybe he misunderstood the rules.

  91. ravensman says: Jan 24, 2012 10:01 PM

    @all4patriots:
    Thank you for your comment above. I don’t agree 100% with what you said, but you hit the mark with most of it!
    Best of luck to your team in the Super Bowl.

  92. n0hopeleft says: Jan 24, 2012 10:01 PM

    Baltimore couldnt put up enough on one of the worst defenses in the league.

    New England put up enough against one of the best defenses in the league.

    Doesn’t matter.

    GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGMEN!!!

  93. rmc1995 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:03 PM

    This guy is covering his own butt and speaking for himself not the Ravens. He was the kicking consultant for the Ravens when Haushka failed with the Ravens and now a guy the Ravens gave a 5 year $15 million contract prior to this year couldn’t make a chip shot when it mattered most. Maybe if you look at the score board you won’t look at him.

  94. patriotsrwinners says: Jan 24, 2012 10:06 PM

    The scoreboard and game clock is controlled by the nfl , during the season it is handled by the patriots staff member but in the playoffs the nfl brings in there own guy to run it . Enough with the patriots are cheating !

  95. pastabelly says: Jan 24, 2012 10:09 PM

    I think the scoreboard actually showed the statistics for Archie “Moonlight” Graham.

  96. raideralex99 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:10 PM

    Just maybe … just maybe that’s why Billy ran onto the field late … he was not paying attention and thought it was third down? It’s not the Pats fault … if you are not trying to cheat … you are not trying to win.

  97. malvord13 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM

    They cheat they always have and they always will… I can’t stand the patriots… Cheaters and they act like cry baby punks when they start to loose.. I’d like to see Tom Brady talk smack again to ray Lewis outside of the stadium.

  98. peachseed says: Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM

    After the Gatorade bath in their win against the Steelers the ratbirds thought they won the Super Bowl. They are sitting at home like 30 other teams. Ray ray and company it’s time to get over it your just not that good.

  99. rc33 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:15 PM

    I’ve been wondering what Matt Walsh was up to.

  100. ravensman says: Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM

    @wethog66;

    Maybe I should have said “the entire fanbase of the Ravens” – which would include a very large portion of Marylanders.
    Poor wording on my part; but hopefully most people caught my drift.

  101. bcgreg says: Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM

    This situation goes back a few plays earlier when Boldin fumbled forward out of bounds. Usually it would be spotted where it went out, which would have made it a 1st down. However, since it was with less than 2 minutes left in the game, the ball is placed where it was funbled. The PA announcer announced a 1st down, and obviously, the scoreboard operator changed it to a 1st down. BUT, the ref took the mike and told everyone that the ball can’t be fumbled forward with less than 2 minutes to play. No one cheated. It was human error on the scoreboard. Shame on the coaching staff for not keeping track once it was announced. Quit yer bitchin’!

  102. gimmeabruschi says: Jan 24, 2012 10:22 PM

    I feel bad for the Raven organization. They played hard and lost on a shoulda been easy tying FG. And only a few cry babies in the entire organization and their fandom are making them look bad with this punk scoreboard whine. It’s like rubbing salt in the would, but it’s their own who are doing it. Their very strong showing this season deserves better than this little girl whimpering ending.

  103. thebigpieceofchicken says: Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM

    Ball So Tard University

  104. buzzbissinger says: Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM

    In the words of Terrell Suggs, “I know what you’re trying to do [Mike], don’t be a d-bag”

    3 Articles, all contradicting the other, talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth.

  105. TheWizard says: Jan 24, 2012 10:34 PM

    Pats and cheaters in the same sentence….hmmm what a surprise

    I’ll say.

    When they come up empty, that’s all they’ve got left other than accepting responsibility.

  106. redrew says: Jan 24, 2012 10:34 PM

    A few points:
    The Ravens coach knew what down it was…that is why he sent the kicking team in.

    Weren’t the other 10 Raven special teamers on the field with plenty of time…..guess they knew a kick was planned

    Weren’t the Patriots special teamers on the field due to the fact that the Ravens kicking team was on the field?

    So basically, 21 out of 22 special teams players knew WTF was going on…the Ravens coach knew WTF was going on…..

    The only player on either team that found an excuse was the kicker

    And what about the report that coaches were yelling at him multiple times to get out there

    Lastly…..3rd down, 4th down…..no matter what down…with just 20 seconds on the clock, the kicker should be prepared to kick on third down which would provide a second opportunity if there was a bad snap.

    Bottomline…the kicker mishandled the pressure on so many levels….and the coach failed in coordinating his team

    PS…On talk radio in Boston….a caller claimed that scoreboard operators are NFL officials…nothing to do with the team. I don’t know the truth to this claim
    __________________

  107. Deb says: Jan 24, 2012 10:35 PM

    When my Steelers played the Saints in New Orleans last year, the Saints swapped the network feed in the coaches booth for an internal feed. So Steelers coaches didn’t see the network replay of a TD officials had miscalled in time to throw the challenge flag.

    Well … too bad. Our coaches should have noticed that they weren’t seeing the network anchors … duh. What the Saints did was gamesmanship, and it happens at every stadium. Bill Parcells used to order the doors opened on the windy side of Giants Stadium whenever visitors were trying to kick down there. Brown needs to grow up and check the down markers like the big boys.

  108. rmc1995 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM

    @nohopeleft
    One of the supposed worst defenses in the league gave up 3 fewer points a game than the G-men in the regular season.

  109. edgarpoe2 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM

    The game is over. The Ravens lost. The scoreboard had nothing to do with it, even if there was ill-intent or shenanigans done by the home team. This is more of a media spectacle than anything else.

  110. bostonbornandbred says: Jan 24, 2012 10:40 PM

    49erlifer says:
    Jan 24, 2012 9:49 PM
    No Patriots cheating? Not the Patriots.

    Shouldnt you be spending your time griping about Kyle Williams???

    This guy sounds like a complete moron… There was only two Ravens i absolutely 100% hated… Bernard Pollard and Terell Suggs… Suggs couldnt of come off any better than monday when he called out that phony Skip Bayless.. gained a ton of respect for him.. Pollard… now he is just a grade A piece of garbage… But this consultant takes the cake… You FAILED at your job but instead of taking responsibility like Evans and Cundiff did, you’re going to imply that the Pats cheated? as a famous Raven once said… If you dont like it, so what

  111. patriotinvasion says: Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM

    habsman says:
    Jan 24, 2012 9:23 PM

    Pats one win away from shiney, clean untainted trophy number 4.
    ___________________________________

    Actually, that “shiney” trophy would be the Pats’ FIRST one that is untainted. Their previous three came as proven cheaters who were eventually caught red-handed.

    Nice try, though.
    _________

    Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!

  112. pfii63 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:44 PM

    More whining from the Ratbirds?

    Say it ain’t so.

    Be a consultant, Randy… not a douchbag.

  113. tb12eatitbitches says: Jan 24, 2012 10:45 PM

    Ravens=pathetic. Also what the hell is a kicking consultant?

  114. ravensman says: Jan 24, 2012 10:46 PM

    If the screw up during the game doesn’t cost Randy Brown his job, it’s nearly certain that his comment will! Wonder if he’ll file charges against Harbaugh for the shove?

  115. heyitsmejosh says: Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM

    is this a joke? hey guess what i was at the game and not even playing and i knew it was fourth down i didnt even notice the scoreboard was off, because why would i be looking for the down when i already know it… oh yeah and there are these orange sticks that have the down number on them….

  116. 6ball says: Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM

    .

    Josh McDaniels : first he made the Bronco’s a third world franchise. Now, he fails to keep track of downs for the raven’s shoelace consultant.

    Not a liquored up kicker, but a tee caddy who sobs like a six year old girl with a skinned knee.

    Memo to Stephen Gostkowski : if you miss a potential super bowl winning FG ….man up you missed one, move on.

    .

  117. worldsgreatest says: Jan 24, 2012 10:48 PM

    Wethog66,

    Making us true Marylanders ashamed to be Redskins fans from now until forever.

    Baltimore is a great city. Maryland is a great state. The Ravens are a great team.

    Signed,

    A lifelong Maryland resident, for 35 years, and Skins fan.

    Just shut up. Sheesh.

    There was no need for this post. Inflammatory nonsense.

  118. holeinone09 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:48 PM

    HarBAWL was also heard whining that the scoreboard operator was playing music that was mocking and insulting to Cundiff, also impacting his ability to kick the ball straight.

  119. lott42 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM

    How long before the Boston Herald, I’m talking about you Tomase, will investigate the rumor that the janitor from the Buffalo Wild Wings commercial , the one who turns on the sprinklers, was hired days before the game to work the scoreboard.

  120. bigdawgy54 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM

    THE PATRIOTS ARE CHEATS! IT’S BEEN PROVEN!

  121. pandebailey says: Jan 24, 2012 10:50 PM

    Okay, this is all very silly – but you can’t blame fans for being paranoid about Bill Belichick’s “creative strategies”, sometimes cheating (yeah, you don’t get fined $500k by the NFL if you weren’t cheating), often pushing the rules (the illegal contact rule enforcement came because of Bill), but always a step or two ahead of everybody else. And he still is.

    Belichick is not just the best coach in the NFL, he’s also the best when it comes to bending the rules to win. He is very, very good at it and the rest of the NFL just doesn’t even try. In fact, Bill makes everyone else look plain stupid.

    So the real question for all of us is “What’s he doing NOW?” No, it’s not the silly scoreboard down marker caper, but people are right to be alert – he IS doing something really crafty, we just don’t know what it is yet.

  122. danallen2 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:52 PM

    If anything it was the Patriots that got screwed in the last minute. I just watched the NFL Replay on NFL network, and after the Boldin fumble out of bounds, the clock was stopped. CBS cut to a replay and didn’t show it being stopped. I was at the stadium and they stopped it at :44, but when a ref noticed this 10 seconds after it occurred, he started waving his arms frantically to start the gameclock. That’s exactly when it restarted, 10 seconds after Boldin was tackled. And that’s why when CBS returned to the action after showing the slow-motion replay of the fumble, the clock is showing :39 whereas it should be showing :29. The throw to Pitta would have never even happened, and I can’t understand how/why the ref who noticed the problem with the clock didn’t blow his whistle to stop play and correct the error. If the Ravens had somehow scored a TD with less than 10 seconds left (let’s say they picked up the first down on 3rd and 1 and then scored a TD on the next play) that mistake (which the TV audience didn’t see) would have been very controversial.

  123. ftblfan9 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM

    Sat behind 4 Ravens fans at the game. Very knowledgeable great fans. They didn’t whine or make excuses. We shook hands after the game and they wished us luck. This story is coming from a coach that screwed up, not Ravens fans. Don’t blame them.

  124. j0esixpack says: Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM

    Man, the Ravens and others in denial are sure making themselves look stupid.

    Two days after the game they come up with a new excuse.

    They’re not only too stupid not to use a time out, they also don’t know what down it is at a critical point in the game.

    They’d at least lose like men if they just owned up to the fact that their WR couldn’t hang onto the ball and their kicker shanked it.

  125. 69finfan says: Jan 24, 2012 10:58 PM

    This just in: The scoreboard operator from the Pats-Ravens game was the work release snowplow operator from the infamous Miami-Pats snowplow game from 1982. Yeah thats it, once a criminal always a criminal.

  126. eagles7to10 says: Jan 24, 2012 11:05 PM

    Listen, I live in Philly and listened to the full interview on Tuesday morning with Randy Brown. First of all, the comment he made about “anything can happen with the Patriots” was an off the cuff JOKE he made at the end of the interview! Second, he will not be fired, he is best friends with Harbaugh and they have a long work history together from when they were both with the Eagles. Lastly, the guy is the Mayor of Evesham, New Jersey. A lot of Angelo Cataldi’s morning show is tongue in cheek style of sports talk radio, it is extremely amusing but if it doesn’t come out of the mouth of Rhea Hughes on that program then you need to take their journalism with a grain of salt.

  127. mistersmith22 says: Jan 24, 2012 11:05 PM

    “That should be the end of the discussion, but the fact that Brown opted to throw stones…”

    Wrong. The discussion should have ended days ago, but you and Deadspin can’t live without page views so you keep fabricating a conspiracy theory.

  128. slickmarine says: Jan 24, 2012 11:06 PM

    @thesarcasm says:Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM

    Once a cheater always a cheater.
    ____

    and once a gutless whining wuss….
    ..well, you get the idea.

  129. patsfandave says: Jan 24, 2012 11:08 PM

    The camera caught Bill waving his hand and mouthing the words “These are not the field goal kicking droids you’re looking for”.

  130. all4patriots says: Jan 24, 2012 11:11 PM

    In watching the TV replay on NFL network, it is clear that the on-field sticks are right.

    Little noticed was the fact that when the Boldin ball went out of bounds on a forward fumble, the ref who correctly spotted the ball at the spot of the fumble waved his arms frantically for the clock to re-start, since the fumble occurred in-bounds.

    It took several seconds for the clock to actually re-start.

    The Ravens thus got several extra seconds, and possibly at least one extra play at the end of the game.

    It didn’t matter either, though. It had the same non-impact as the scoreboard error.

  131. jetssuckrex says: Jan 24, 2012 11:12 PM

    I too was at the game and after several hours of consuming beverages,I still knew what down it was,Ravens and their fans are our bitches!Lewis s/b serving life sentence,instead ESPN puts him HOF.

  132. mornelithe says: Jan 24, 2012 11:14 PM

    This sounds like isolated sour grapes from a few individuals, let’s remember that Terrell Suggs called Skip Bayless a d-bag yesterday for trying to insinuate there was home cooking going on for the Pats. And if there are any Raven’s fans crying foul, they’re few and far between. For the most part they’ve been pretty stand up about what is an EFF’d up situation. So, let’s be a bit more honest about who’s really complaining here Pats fans.

    I’m glad the Pats won, but I really wish it would’ve gone to OT, the Raven’s deserved that. Their coach and kicker failed them, when they didn’t call a timeout. And that’s the reality.

    People who’re blaming Evan’s, give Moore some credit here, he made an excellent play that was insanely timed.

  133. marima07 says: Jan 24, 2012 11:16 PM

    “Patriots cheat again. should of taken away the Super Bowl against the Panthers for illegally stealing the defenses signals. Just what they are really made of.”
    _________________
    Good one, especially considering this article from the Charlotte Observer back in 2004 following the Panthers’ Super Bowl loss to the Patriots:

    The Charlotte Observer today reported that 6 players from the 2004 Super Bowl Panthers team took “disturbing, particularly alarmingly high amounts” of steroids on their late season Super Bowl run. Among the players named by the newspaper are offensive linemen Kevin Donnalley, Jeff Mitchell, Todd Steussie, TE Wesley Walls, Defensive lineman Henry Taylor, and some practice squad scrub. All this was pieced together during the investigation of Dr. James Shortt who plead guilty to illegally distributing steroids and human growth hormone.

    The performance enhacing drug of choice was HGH which cannot be detected in urine tests.

    The report says that more prescriptions were written to cover up the harmful effect of the original steroids such as shrunken testicles and hair loss for Jeff Mitchell. …

  134. j0esixpack says: Jan 24, 2012 11:17 PM

    68,756 fans in attendance looking at that very same scoreboard all knew what down it was.

    The only one who didn’t was the Ravens kicker.

    What are the odds?

    Man up Ravens. Lose like men – not little girls.

  135. nannymcsack says: Jan 24, 2012 11:31 PM

    more ravens fans than pats fans know who sterling moore is.

  136. sbaltimore says: Jan 24, 2012 11:36 PM

    Bottom Line: The Ravens players didn’t execute, the coaches were in disarray, and that’s that. No excuses. No whining.

  137. lennydpocketqb says: Jan 24, 2012 11:52 PM

    “Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!”

  138. tedmurph says: Jan 24, 2012 11:55 PM

    Deb says:Jan 24, 2012 10:35 PM

    When my Steelers played the Saints in New Orleans last year, the Saints swapped the network feed in the coaches booth for an internal feed. So Steelers coaches didn’t see the network replay of a TD officials had miscalled in time to throw the challenge flag.

    Well … too bad. Our coaches should have noticed that they weren’t seeing the network anchors … duh. What the Saints did was gamesmanship, and it happens at every stadium
    ———————————————————-
    You’re completely wrong. The Saints had no control over the switch to the edited feed from the network feed, the NFL does that. No gamesmanship involved. Read more carefully @your Steeler conspiracy sites and stop believing every X-Files thing you see. I know this for a fact.

    I think Cundiff missed the kick because he found out the SB was in Indy and didn’t want to go. I don’t either.

  139. nfl1818 says: Jan 24, 2012 11:56 PM

    after the Boldin fumble out of bounds, the clock was stopped. CBS cut to a replay and didn’t show it being stopped. I was at the stadium and they stopped it at :44, but when a ref noticed this 10 seconds after it occurred, he started waving his arms frantically to start the gameclock. That’s exactly when it restarted, 10 seconds after Boldin was tackled.

    was wondering about that –

    also seems like the Ravens coaches could have had the refs correct the scoreboard – hard to believe it was wrong for that long w/o being corrected – course a dropped game-winning pass qualifies as a distraction

    in watching the replay I saw Cundiff was wandering around in his sweats – he didn’t slide those off until about 40 or less seconds left in the game – that might be his routine, but it seemed oddly casual to me – he seemed to wandering around like there were 5 minutes left in the game.

    After 3rd down, the CBS announcer said “and Harbaugh is sending in the kicking unit” CBS then showed a replay. When CBS came back live Cundiff was running in, crossing the 35 yard line, w/ only 12 seconds left – what was he doing during the CBS replay ? do kickers hang near their net that late or, on 2nd or 3rd down, come to the sidelines as close as possible to the line of scrimmage ?

    Finally, it does explain why he said things were “speeding up” and why the coaches were yelling – He was thinking “yeah I’ll be ready on 4th down”

  140. 92and94and51and56 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:05 AM

    Once again, the little brothers of the AFC North can look up to how their big brother Steelers do things the right way. Like how we handled a SUPER BOWL loss last year…without whining about scoreboards and loony conspiracy theories.

    You’re the Ravens and that’s all you’ll ever be. Second best. Almost there, but not quite good enough to make it all the way. Proved it again on Sunday.

    Don’t make it worse by continuing to embarrass yourselves. Just fade away already.

    You’re done…and we’re done with you. Moving on.

  141. waxedagain says: Jan 25, 2012 12:05 AM

    “it would be foolish to presume that the Patriots haven’t deliberately botched with the down information.”

    Are you suggesting that the Patriots are a dishonest franchise? I am shocked….

  142. tedmurph says: Jan 25, 2012 12:12 AM

    Just to clarify, while it’s true that most stadiums don’t show replays that would benefit the visiting team, most stadiums give a choice between the network feed or the scoreboard feed. That’s the case in the Superdome. Steelers staff just blew it and tried to imply the Saints were to blame. Not true. Saints didn’t ‘switch anything.

  143. tedmurph says: Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM

    And Ben’s a victim

  144. luiscq says: Jan 25, 2012 12:14 AM

    if pats cheated… then screw them

  145. dsnuts79 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:31 AM

    it’s sad that the pats coaching staff cheated so bad before, that teams now have to be on the look out for more cheating or anything outta the ordinary. that’s ridiculous! i don’t think the pats did anything foul this time, despite what ravens fans may think. but i understand…

  146. vbe2 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:42 AM

    “Why in the hell are the Ravens trusting the Patriots’ scoreboard operator to provide accurate information in crunch time of the AFC title game?”
    ==================================

    A better question would be, why would the NFL allow a team to control any aspect of the game day stadium?

    On game day, the NFL needs to control all operations of a stadium that affect the game itself.

    Like opening or closing the roof, when to pull tarps off the field or put them on. The game clock, scoreboard… all of it needs to be controlled by the league.

  147. lenke08 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:44 AM

    The Browns had “The Drive” and “The Fumble” the ravens now have “The Kick”

  148. joyjoy69 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:04 AM

    thebassbiscuit says: Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM

    Ravens fan here. It’s done. Great game. Well played. We lost. Congrats to the Pat who were the better team. Great things to look forward to in Baltimore. No excuses.

    —————————–

    Pats fan here. Thanks for the best sportsmanship I’ve ever seen out of Baltimore. For the record, the better team lost, but it was too close to call and the Pats came up solid at the right time. It still came down to a fluke missed kick which would have sent us into an OT where either team could have won it. Thanks for a great game! I’m glod to be watching my team in the Super Bowl, but I can’t say we deserve it any more that the Ravens do. Either way, GO AFC!!! Kick the $4!7 out of the Giants!

  149. tatum064 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:12 AM

    Ever wonder why Pollard rolls up Tom Brady’s ankle, or blow up TE Gronkowski?

    when you get the cheating rep, any kind of play to target an opponent is inevitable….

  150. tatum064 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:13 AM

    lenke08 says:
    Jan 25, 2012 12:44 AM
    The Browns had “The Drive” and “The Fumble” the ravens now have “The Kick”

    Yeah, and they also had “The Ass-kicking” the 2001 Super Bowl win over the Giants

  151. joyjoy69 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:13 AM

    bigdawgy54 says: Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM

    THE PATRIOTS ARE CHEATS! IT’S BEEN PROVEN!

    —————————-

    …and Santa Claus doesn’t exist either? Thanks for spoiling all the big secrets and making us grow up! or perhaps you could grow up and chant something original. Do you realize that the Patriots broke rule a few years ago that many teams broke? Do you realize that they have secondary problems because the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to a massive and complicated contract that would take hours to read, much less understand, a few minutes after he was available and no Patriots ever complained (yes, everyone does that too!)? Which do you think had a greater impact – losing an all-pro CB they have spent 5 years trying to replace, or video taping defensive signals? If you say Spygate, you have no clue how the game is played… Get over it and appreciate the greatest coach in the history of the game with the greatest QB of his time make history.

  152. joyjoy69 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:16 AM

    dsnuts79 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:31 AM

    it’s sad that the pats coaching staff cheated so bad before, that teams now have to be on the look out for more cheating or anything outta the ordinary. that’s ridiculous! i don’t think the pats did anything foul this time, despite what ravens fans may think. but i understand…

    ——————

    Because no other teams did anything fishy at home before… except the Colts piping extra crowd noise over the speakers, or the Cowboys opening up a whole wall of their stadium to let in extra wind during kicks, or… oh nevermind!

  153. grannyvi4 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:17 AM

    avianflew says:Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM

    Doesn’t matter if it’s the Raven’s responsibility to watch the downs, there was still cheating and that’s inexcusable. That’s like saying that if your home is burglarized and you forgot to lock the door, then the burglar is off the hook. BS.
    ——————————
    Yeah, it does matter. How many coaches and other personnel are on the field during the game? You mean to tell me none of them knew what down it was? All they had to do was look at the down markers — that’s what they’re there for.

    As for the door being unlocked if you’re burglarized…I know some insurance companies don’t pay up if your car is unlocked and someone jacks your stereo system or other valuables. Even in a home burglary, the police will take the report while they’re thinking, “dumb a$$”.

  154. pacoltsguy says: Jan 25, 2012 1:24 AM

    The Ravens lost the game. I think that the coaching staff has to accept a lot of that responsibility. They certainly had their opportunities to win and couldn’t get it done. My advice to the Ravens is to just shut up; be men and accept that you threw away your chances to go to the Super Bowl.

  155. bleedsoe9mm says: Jan 25, 2012 1:37 AM

    i’m a pats fan , so i’m happy this didn’t happen but why is coach harbaugh not being criticized for not calling a timeout .
    1 – it would give the nfl officials time to check out the catch , and give them time to make a decision whether to replay or not
    2- calms everything down so they have time to get set for the kick

  156. enx31 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:42 AM

    Pats fan here. My definition of the best team, wins. Do good teams lose? No.

    At the very least, you had the game won with Evans or into OT with the FG. You did not make those plays. Then, wow, you lost.

    It’s now just embarrassing. Call up some of the Jets so you can have a good cry together. I thought the Ravens were one of the ‘classy’ organizations?

  157. hedleykow says: Jan 25, 2012 1:55 AM

    What’s next, the kick was good, but the Patriots projected a holograph onto the field that made it look like it missed?

  158. backindasaddle says: Jan 25, 2012 1:56 AM

    Now I know why John Harbaugh totally disrespected this guy with that shove. Harbaugh obviously has no respect for him. After his sour grapes BS comments above… I can easily understand why.

  159. dennis2488 says: Jan 25, 2012 2:18 AM

    the patriots played the worst they could possibly play and the ravens played the best they could play. they still lost. the sportsmanship from all players not named ray lewis has been pathetic. the ravens found a way to lose just like the 49ers did. thats football, deal with it.

  160. asublimeday says: Jan 25, 2012 2:44 AM

    Please stop talking, Baltimore.

  161. quittsburghstoolers says: Jan 25, 2012 3:54 AM

    “If Pats ‘cheated’ Ravens, then shame on the Ravens”

    ———————————————————-

    “If”? lol!

    Of course they cheated. Just look at Belicheat & his team’s history.

    There’s little doubt they did.

    All the stories we’ve heard & that’s only the times they were CAUGHT.

    How many times ya think they violated the rules and WEREN’T caught…

  162. quittsburghstoolers says: Jan 25, 2012 4:10 AM

    BTW, I love how all the Pats fans are calling the Raven fans & team “crybabies” when in their own town the biggest crybabies of all times (namely the Red Sox & their fan base) play & have been whining for nearly 100 years about the Yankees. And they STILL do, even after their 2 titles!

    As for the comment about steroids & the Panthers, how do Boston fans think the Red Sox finally “beat the Curse”? It was by having their players on steroids… cough, cough {Manny}… cough, cough {Papi}.

    Let’s ask Senator Mitchell (aka Red Sox board member) why those 2 guys weren’t listed on his steroid report, shall we?

  163. db105 says: Jan 25, 2012 4:22 AM

    Always entertaining to see what the simple minds have to say about an inconsequential issue.

  164. insider7 says: Jan 25, 2012 4:32 AM

    The scoreboard is operated by league officials, not employees of the Patriots so knock it off.

    The screwup started a couple of plays earlier when there was a fumble that rolled forward beyond the first down marker. By rule, the ball comes back to the spot of the drop, not where it rolled out of bounds. The officials on the field had the markers correct but the officials upstairs did not.

    This is just a screw up by league officials upstairs in the booth, the kicker, the Ravens special teams coach, the Ravens kicking consultant and the Ravens head coach.

    This is all about Randy Brown trying to avoid blame and trying to save his job. Coward!

  165. fonzp85 says: Jan 25, 2012 5:14 AM

    Both the Ravens and the Pats played a great game. It was possibly the best Ravens/Patriots game I’ve ever seen. There is no excuse for us losing in that fashion.We Ravens fans do have class. Its just the media blowing it out of proportion. Like I said before… Great game!

  166. goforgin01 says: Jan 25, 2012 6:10 AM

    Kicking consultants should be barred from talking to anyone but kickers.

  167. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Jan 25, 2012 6:12 AM

    it’s irrelevant anyway.
    if you didn’t lose to the pats, you would have definitely lost to the gmen in the sb, and it wouldn’t have been pretty. be thankful you didn’t get the opportunity to be embarassed on an even bigger stage.

  168. jenniferxxx says: Jan 25, 2012 6:34 AM

    Both the Giants and the Pats turned a tough talking, mean, old style football team into pouting, crying little girls.

    That’s amazing.

  169. drednot says: Jan 25, 2012 6:37 AM

    I always thought there was an “OFFICAL” on the field that kept track of, time, downs, and time-outs. Where were the officals?

  170. S says: Jan 25, 2012 6:41 AM

    Gee, the Ravens cheated again? They get cheated every year it seems. Every time they lose, in fact, there are claims the other side cheated.

    Maybe the Ravens suck as bad as the city they play their home games in…or maybe they could be getting cheated by the Patriots and NFL after every loss.

    They talk about if they had made that FG they were going to win the Superbowl….hahahaha this team is going to go back to being bitch slapped around by the Steelers next year. NO MENTAL TOUGHNESS

  171. gimmeabruschi says: Jan 25, 2012 6:44 AM

    d12f6m says: Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM

    Patriots cheat again. should of taken away the Super Bowl against the Panthers for illegally stealing the defenses signals. Just what they are really made of.

    ___________________________________

    It’s always the same old story with you spygate clowns.

    You cling to the “NFL rule” to support your whining;

    but ignore the “NFL ruling” when they say “no competitive advantage was gained”.

    You can’t have it both ways and be looked at other than being a hypocritical idiot.

  172. bostonhasrealhockey says: Jan 25, 2012 6:56 AM

    Yeah i agree lets move on balt played great shoulda coulda woulda . They are still a force to be reckoned with in afc i still fear them

  173. fran021 says: Jan 25, 2012 7:08 AM

    Not-so-smart-coach: Doesn’t call a time out

    Smart coach: Doesn’t call for time out to ice kicker because he saw they were rushing and realized that was a good thing

  174. jimyritz says: Jan 25, 2012 7:33 AM

    Lose with some dignity already…

    Go back and ask your head coach why he didn’t use his last time out…

    Most players are trained to go by the sticks not the scoreboard…

    Lee Evans dropped a TD pass and your FG kicker choked….I guess they need a new kicking consultant…

  175. purpleattack says: Jan 25, 2012 7:34 AM

    Absolutely LOVE the Ravens hate, keep on hating Pittsburgh and NE fans, this only gives the Ravens more fuel for next year. The Ravens are a great organization that will make your lives difficult every year.

  176. steviethewiz says: Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM

    Of course the Pats cheated – it’s the only way Little Bill knows how to win. He will cheat with your wife, he will steal your signals, he will bug your locker room and he will have the scoreboard operator cheat too – It’s the Patriot way………Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!

  177. gosox2673 says: Jan 25, 2012 7:39 AM

    Not only that, I also noticed many times where that big yellow line they lay across the field for the players to know where the first down is, was sometimes off by a good half a yard.

  178. ridingwithnohandlebars says: Jan 25, 2012 7:42 AM

    Whenever we get one of these reports seems there are tons more people complaining about these complainers.

    “Oh here go the fans again, whining about being robbed.”

    Everybody should lighten up. Why so serious?

  179. igetmyweedfromjeromesimpson says: Jan 25, 2012 7:49 AM

    Must be a slow day in PFT land. As a Ravens fan, I don’t even care about this. This was a consultant, not a coach or player. The Ravens lost, that’s the end of the story. Move on……

  180. bcgreg says: Jan 25, 2012 8:04 AM

    @ pandebailey

    You wrote “(the illegal contact rule enforcement came because of Bill)”

    Yeah, Bill Polian. Another guy whining because he lost to the Patriots.

  181. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 25, 2012 8:06 AM

    You see Patriots fans saying “stop whining, this is the NFL, blah blah blah”, right? When they make up some esoteric “call” that didn’t occur and doesn’t go their way and they lose the Super Bowl, they’ll be doing the same. BE CONSISTENT.

  182. marinephinfan says: Jan 25, 2012 8:06 AM

    I wouldn’t put it past the Patriots either. This is just another typical Pat love fest from the writer who can not be named. (Yes, if you write his name your post won’t show up….what a wuss)

    However, the reason the Ravens lost is because their defense gave up a late TD to the Patriots, their offense dropped a sure TD, and their FG kicker missed an easy kick.

    If Brady chokes against the Giants as he did against the Ravens…yes, he’s pretty much choked in the majority of all his last 10 playoff games…the Patriots will lose.

  183. wadster says: Jan 25, 2012 8:08 AM

    Notice how nothing like this ever comes out of the Pats organization? Be hater all you want but a good orginization stops this nonsense before it ever happens. The owner, GM or coach of the Ravens should put an end to these ridiculous comments now. Makes the whole team look foolish.

  184. bork77 says: Jan 25, 2012 8:10 AM

    The soreboard also showed that there were no timeouts left and Ravens had a 3 point lead so they did not need the fieldgoal anyway.

  185. 1historian says: Jan 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Remember the seven P’s

    Proper
    Prior
    Preparation
    Prevents
    Piss
    Poor
    Performance

    The Patriots overall record against the Ravens is 6-1.

    Brady, by his own admission, “sucked” in this game. Yet the Pats still won.

    Brady has a history of following a game in which he played poorly with a lights-out game.

    Be afraid, Giants fans, be VERY afraid.

    Pats haters – you should make plans to do something else 11 days from now because this is NOT going to be fun for you to watch.

  186. damnsureis says: Jan 25, 2012 8:23 AM

    I played countless football games with my friends in a field from when I was a kid to an adult. Somehow we managed to keep track of the down on every play without a scoreboard. And we didn’t even have a consultant working for us.

  187. dmretrogames says: Jan 25, 2012 8:37 AM

    Goodell will review the scoreboard and then have it destroyed. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

  188. edgeu2 says: Jan 25, 2012 8:39 AM

    Ravens fan here. WHY do people automatically assume some kicking consultant is speaking on behalf of the whole Ravens organization??

    You heard Suggs say it to Skip Bayless…there was confusion on the last series from the scoreboard but neither he nor any of his teammates ever blamed it on the Patriots or refs.

    Cundiff took full responsibility, he just initially thought it was he alone who got the downs wrong.

    Stop trying to demonize the Ravens organization because of some dumb kicking consultant. The Ravens could have gone to the SuperBowl but aren’t because they missed their opportunities during the last series. End of Story, congrats to the Pats

  189. weepingjebus says: Jan 25, 2012 8:40 AM

    It’s a 32 yarder! So your routine was a little messed up, it’s not like you’re trying to place a coronary stent on a moving train, or disarm a nuclear weapon while hanging from a Mission Impossible harness. What next, the Patriots cheated by designing their stadium funny so the wind blew your nose hairs the wrong way and threw off your game?

    Everybody else on the kicking squad managed to still do their jobs, except you.

  190. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Jan 25, 2012 8:44 AM

    While the people manning the score board and the play clock are employed by the Patriots, there are NFL officials in the booth where those individuals reside during the game. So, were they all in on the conspiracy? I am sure Ravens fans think so. Still makes me chuckle watching these putzes make every excuse they can about why they did not win the game. Some things never change.

  191. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM

    @steviethewiz

    Hey idiot,

    For starters, the Broncos lost draft picks and were fined for CHEATING the salary cap during their back to back super bowl wins. I am sure there are plenty of other instances, without having looked. Don’t you just hate when you talk sh#t about something and are completely ignorant of how things really are? Dope.

  192. dmretrogames says: Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM

    “Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”

    Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.

    Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?

    One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.

  193. flash1283 says: Jan 25, 2012 8:54 AM

    stevietheshiz says:
    Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM
    Of course the Pats cheated – it’s the only way Little Bill knows how to win. He will cheat with your wife, he will steal your signals, he will bug your locker room and he will have the scoreboard operator cheat too – It’s the Patriot way………Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!
    ——————

    So when Denver and San Francisco received a fine (Denver was fined more than NE) and lost draft picks, that doesn’t count in your small head?

  194. bbpats says: Jan 25, 2012 8:55 AM

    The Ravens employ a “kicking consultant” who can’t consult on a kick!
    Then he has the nerve to come out and blame it on the Pats.
    Do your job buddy.
    It’s sad because Suggs, Lewis, and Reed aren’t whining and taking the bait for excuses like this guy is.

  195. TxGrown says: Jan 25, 2012 8:57 AM

    @1historian …..
    You a historian forgot the 8th “P”.
    Past…..2007 .

  196. ampats says: Jan 25, 2012 8:59 AM

    In every NFL stadium the scoreboards are operated by employees of the NFL not the home team.

    If you think the Patriots “cheated” go talk to the former NY Jets employee Roger Goodell

  197. Patskrieg dot com says: Jan 25, 2012 9:13 AM

    What’s the world coming to when Terrell Suggs is the guy I look to for maturity in a franchise?

    In all seriousness, I’ve gained a lot of respect for Suggs since this game ended. He’s come a very long way.

  198. tudefit says: Jan 25, 2012 9:17 AM

    You are calling plays from the sideline based on the down and yardage needed. Now how can you call a play and not know what down it is? So you thinnk you are calling a play on 2nd down and suddenly it says it’s 4th down and you don’t question it? Especially when you have a time out and don’t use it? Seems like Ray Lewis, whom I do not like, is the only one over there taking the loss like a man.

  199. hiyatencounter says: Jan 25, 2012 9:18 AM

    unreal, this team has a ” kicking consultant ” a special teams coach and a head coach that was a former special team coach and still cant figure out the process of field goals? You would think with all that coaching the kicker would know you often kick on 3rd down at end of games in case of bad snaps. There is simply no excuse to not be ready to kick that field goal. Raven fans are very passionate but they even have to know enough is enough. Send the consultant and the kicker down the highway. While they are at it, maybe some of the high priced defensive stars can take a pay cut and get a decent kicker. You are only as good as the last man. Its not only the kicker who is wide left on that team.

  200. gingerkid2000 says: Jan 25, 2012 9:26 AM

    OMG this whole “cheating” thing is just sad. 1st off the scoreboard is operated by NFL personnel only not the Pats franchise. If you’ve ever been to an NFL game there are often lags when it comes to the scoreboard and what is happening on the field. People will always think the the Pats cheat when they win any game because it’s easier than admitting that your own team screwed the pooch! That’s how losers think! There are only 4 downs not 10! The FACT is if you, as a coach, were doing your job by paying attention to the game you would have known it was 4th down and you would have called a time out to get organized! Instead they panicked under pressure. This is an excuse by the Ravens kicking team to absolve Cundiff and the coach of any blame and it’s really pathetic! And remember this isn’t the 1st time the Ravens have lost to the Pats and said they cheated. This is their MO. I’m not surprised in the least that they’re going this route. But I guess whatever gets you off the hook in taking any responsibility for crumbling at the end.

  201. ziggy26 says: Jan 25, 2012 9:27 AM

    Honestly, I haven’t seen many Ravens fans complaining about this. There seems to be more people complaining about Ravens fans complaining.

  202. dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM

    First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
    Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
    If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.

  203. bsandcs says: Jan 25, 2012 9:43 AM

    Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!

    ————-
    Nope. Dolphins lost a first round draft pick in 1970 for tampering. Tampering gives you a FAR greater competitve advantage than filming from a non-approved area. Move the camera to a different spot, and suddenly that makes legit.

  204. 2dollarpbrs says: Jan 25, 2012 9:53 AM

    Maybe the Ravens need a “What Ferking Down Is It” Consultant??

  205. portnoychunk says: Jan 25, 2012 9:53 AM

    dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM

    First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs.
    Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
    Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
    If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    1) Their offensive coordinator announced in the same week he was leaving for Penn St. The Pats didn’t need McDaniels to beat the Broncos by 18 points 3 week earlier…why would they need him after already figuring the Broncos out.

    2) The scoreboard operator is an NFL employee, not a New England Patriots employee….and to infer that the scoreboard operator is in on a conspiracy when the downs are clearly marked on the sidelines and indicated by the officials after each play is beyond idiotic.

    3) The Pats weren’t found out to be “cheating” weeks before the Giants game. Week 2-3 vs. the Jets they were reported by the Jets for using cameras in the improper positions (not illegal to tape, just illegal to tape from where the cameras were).

    People aren’t naive, they’re just not as unintelligent as you appear to be.

  206. habsman says: Jan 25, 2012 9:56 AM

    Three shiney, clean, untainted trophies “tuck”ed safely away. And believe me, they are clean and untainted, because I’ve seen them.

    Maybe number 4 on the way?

    And there is nothing you can do about it but cry.

    Lots of nervous haters out there.

  207. flash1283 says: Jan 25, 2012 9:57 AM

    dwoofer says:
    Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM
    First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
    Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
    If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.
    ——–
    Now lets correct your errors,

    First they hired Josh before the Denver/Pitt game, it just was not officially announced until after the game.

    Second the score board and time and down and distance is all operated by an NFL official, not an employee of the Patriots.
    There are also 2 down markers on the field on both sidelines that shows the down, also operated by NFL personal not Patriot employees.

  208. mjdkid100 says: Jan 25, 2012 9:58 AM

    Scoreboards are wrong all the time. That’s why we hvae coaches.

  209. mjdkid100 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM

    dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM

    First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
    Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
    If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.

    —————————————————–

    Calling people naive when you dont even know what youre talking about. What a moron.

    The Patriots were caught in week 2 filming defensive signals across the sidelines. Not right before the SB you idiot.

    These are the same signals out in the open for everyone to see. With a pen and paper you could do the exact same thing. There are cameras everywhere picking up these signals. If you dont change signals when you play the same team in the same year, your coach is an idiot.

    They never recorded any practice like most of you retards would believe. That was shot down instantly and made up without a source by JOHN TOMASE and he issues an immediate apology.

  210. PCa Survivor says: Jan 25, 2012 10:04 AM

    If Jim Natntz and Phil Simms could figure it out, well…

    No excuses.

  211. effedinLA says: Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    If they thought it was third down why were they going to try a kick then? There was time and they had a time out! They deserve to lose for trying to rush a kick on third down.
    Balt is now one team I will root against because they complained about how stupid they really are.

  212. patriotinvasion says: Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    dmretrogames says: Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM

    “Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”

    Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.

    Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?

    One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.
    _________

    Nope. Goodell showed EVERYONE the tapes from Matt Walsh at a press conference! Pay attention. The taped showed signals out in the open for everyone to see….the scoreboard…..and cheerleaders. Oh the horror! And one hundred years from now, you’ll be seeing NFL Films clips of the Patriots greatness and all of the Lombardi Trophies they won….and there’s NOTHING you can do to change it! Sorry baby boy….keep crying!

  213. xxsweepthelegxx says: Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    “Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”

    Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.

    Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?

    One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.
    ——————————-
    I dont get why people think when an act of “cheating” occurs that all of a sudden everyone has the right to view the tapes like in the instance you point out?? Then there are the people who say, “largest fine ever”, etc…Look at the money going around in the league today as compared to 5, 10, 20 yrs ago…there is always going to be a $ precedent set with the millionaire/billionaires of today. Just like you can’t compare SamBradford’s contract with Joe Montana, apples/oranges.

  214. dissed215 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    Was the scoreboard wrong? YES. So, why is pointing it out considered “whining”?

    Furthermore, do some of you actually think that providing false or misleading info on the scoreboard is OK?

  215. lucimorland says: Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM

    For a team that allegedly doesn’t cheat, the Patriots sure have all the cheating, BS stuff happen in their favor.

    And I hate the damn Ravens. Still…if it walks like a poodle and talks like a poodle, it’s probably Tom Brady.

  216. frankpm says: Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM

    whoa! i’m apparently not the only person who uses the word ‘skullduggery’ in everyday conversation! SWEET!

  217. flavadave10 says: Jan 26, 2012 9:53 AM

    Brown’s the only guy on the Ravens who has really whined. John Harbaugh was pissed off after the game, but he still had the decency to shake Belicheck’s hand and do the post-game interviews for the media. I think he deserves some credit for that, because he handled himself a heck of a lot better than his brother did.

    As a Ravens fan, I blame Cundiff for the loss, but I also blame a number of other people: Torrey Smith (if he didn’t slow down at the end of the first half, entirely different ball game), Lee Evans (when you catch a pass in the endzone, you go down IMMEDIATELY), Harbaugh (for not using the timeout), and the entire offensive line (for being the equivalent of a wet paper bag for most of the day). Football’s a team sport. You win as a team, you lose as a team. It’s very easy to point fingers at Cundiff or Lee Evans, but you could blame any number of people. If one person breaks a tackle or catches a pass or tackles a guy, that can change the entire game. That’s what football is so exciting.

    I have to give Cundiff props for even facing the media. I gained a ton of respect for him when he faced the media after what happened. Lord do I feel bad for Lee Evans though.

    Props to the Patriots, they were the better team on Sunday, and best of luck in the Super Bowl.

  218. boothisman says: Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM

    Ravens fans still crying foul? Not surprised.

  219. dissed215 says: Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM

    boothisman says:
    Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM
    Ravens fans still crying foul? Not surprised.

    ————————————————–

    You have really bad reading comprehension. Not surprised.

  220. dsnuts79 says: Jan 31, 2012 2:47 PM

    joyjoy69 says:

    Because no other teams did anything fishy at home before… except the Colts piping extra crowd noise over the speakers, or the Cowboys opening up a whole wall of their stadium to let in extra wind during kicks, or… oh nevermind!

    ———————————————————

    how many of those teams lost a 1st round pick due to their actions? hmmm? none. zero. plus, the team and head coached were both fined on top of everything. so, whatever the patriots did, and we don’t know everything they did, must have been super bad.

    and i get why it pisses you off when people say this stuff… because you’re a fan of there’s, i get it. you’re bias and that’s ok.

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