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	<title>Comments on: If Pats &#8220;cheated&#8221; Ravens, then shame on the Ravens</title>
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		<title>By: dsnuts79</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[joyjoy69 says: 

Because no other teams did anything fishy at home before… except the Colts piping extra crowd noise over the speakers, or the Cowboys opening up a whole wall of their stadium to let in extra wind during kicks, or… oh nevermind!

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how many of those teams lost a 1st round pick due to their actions? hmmm? none. zero. plus, the team and head coached were both fined on top of everything. so, whatever the patriots did, and we don&#039;t know everything they did, must have been super bad.  

and i get why it pisses you off when people say this stuff... because you&#039;re a fan of there&#039;s, i get it. you&#039;re bias and that&#039;s ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joyjoy69 says: </p>
<p>Because no other teams did anything fishy at home before… except the Colts piping extra crowd noise over the speakers, or the Cowboys opening up a whole wall of their stadium to let in extra wind during kicks, or… oh nevermind!</p>
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<p>how many of those teams lost a 1st round pick due to their actions? hmmm? none. zero. plus, the team and head coached were both fined on top of everything. so, whatever the patriots did, and we don&#8217;t know everything they did, must have been super bad.  </p>
<p>and i get why it pisses you off when people say this stuff&#8230; because you&#8217;re a fan of there&#8217;s, i get it. you&#8217;re bias and that&#8217;s ok.</p>
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		<title>By: dissed215</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[boothisman says: 
Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM 
Ravens fans still crying foul? Not surprised.

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You have really bad reading comprehension. Not surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boothisman says:<br />
Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM<br />
Ravens fans still crying foul? Not surprised.</p>
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<p>You have really bad reading comprehension. Not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: boothisman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ravens fans still crying foul?  Not surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravens fans still crying foul?  Not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: flavadave10</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1542087</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brown&#039;s the only guy on the Ravens who has really whined. John Harbaugh was pissed off after the game, but he still had the decency to shake Belicheck&#039;s hand and do the post-game interviews for the media. I think he deserves some credit for that, because he handled himself a heck of a lot better than his brother did.

As a Ravens fan, I blame Cundiff for the loss, but I also blame a number of other people: Torrey Smith (if he didn&#039;t slow down at the end of the first half, entirely different ball game), Lee Evans (when you catch a pass in the endzone, you go down IMMEDIATELY), Harbaugh (for not using the timeout), and the entire offensive line (for being the equivalent of a wet paper bag for most of the day). Football&#039;s a team sport. You win as a team, you lose as a team. It&#039;s very easy to point fingers at Cundiff or Lee Evans, but you could blame any number of people. If one person breaks a tackle or catches a pass or tackles a guy, that can change the entire game. That&#039;s what football is so exciting.

I have to give Cundiff props for even facing the media. I gained a ton of respect for him when he faced the media after what happened. Lord do I feel bad for Lee Evans though. 

Props to the Patriots, they were the better team on Sunday, and best of luck in the Super Bowl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown&#8217;s the only guy on the Ravens who has really whined. John Harbaugh was pissed off after the game, but he still had the decency to shake Belicheck&#8217;s hand and do the post-game interviews for the media. I think he deserves some credit for that, because he handled himself a heck of a lot better than his brother did.</p>
<p>As a Ravens fan, I blame Cundiff for the loss, but I also blame a number of other people: Torrey Smith (if he didn&#8217;t slow down at the end of the first half, entirely different ball game), Lee Evans (when you catch a pass in the endzone, you go down IMMEDIATELY), Harbaugh (for not using the timeout), and the entire offensive line (for being the equivalent of a wet paper bag for most of the day). Football&#8217;s a team sport. You win as a team, you lose as a team. It&#8217;s very easy to point fingers at Cundiff or Lee Evans, but you could blame any number of people. If one person breaks a tackle or catches a pass or tackles a guy, that can change the entire game. That&#8217;s what football is so exciting.</p>
<p>I have to give Cundiff props for even facing the media. I gained a ton of respect for him when he faced the media after what happened. Lord do I feel bad for Lee Evans though. </p>
<p>Props to the Patriots, they were the better team on Sunday, and best of luck in the Super Bowl.</p>
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		<title>By: frankpm</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whoa! i&#039;m apparently not the only person who uses the word &#039;skullduggery&#039; in everyday conversation! SWEET!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa! i&#8217;m apparently not the only person who uses the word &#8216;skullduggery&#8217; in everyday conversation! SWEET!</p>
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		<title>By: lucimorland</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a team that allegedly doesn&#039;t cheat, the Patriots sure have all the cheating, BS stuff happen in their favor.

And I hate the damn Ravens. Still...if it walks like a poodle and talks like a poodle, it&#039;s probably Tom Brady.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a team that allegedly doesn&#8217;t cheat, the Patriots sure have all the cheating, BS stuff happen in their favor.</p>
<p>And I hate the damn Ravens. Still&#8230;if it walks like a poodle and talks like a poodle, it&#8217;s probably Tom Brady.</p>
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		<title>By: dissed215</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was the scoreboard wrong? YES. So, why is pointing it out considered &quot;whining&quot;? 

Furthermore, do some of you actually think that providing false or misleading info on the scoreboard is OK?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the scoreboard wrong? YES. So, why is pointing it out considered &#8220;whining&#8221;? </p>
<p>Furthermore, do some of you actually think that providing false or misleading info on the scoreboard is OK?</p>
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		<title>By: xxsweepthelegxx</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”

Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies. 

Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?

One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.
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I dont get why people think when an act of &quot;cheating&quot; occurs that all of a sudden everyone has the right to view the tapes like in the instance you point out??  Then there are the people who say, &quot;largest fine ever&quot;, etc...Look at the money going around in the league today as compared to 5, 10, 20 yrs ago...there is always going to be a $ precedent set with the millionaire/billionaires of today. Just like you can&#039;t compare SamBradford&#039;s contract with Joe Montana, apples/oranges.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”</p>
<p>Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies. </p>
<p>Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?</p>
<p>One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I dont get why people think when an act of &#8220;cheating&#8221; occurs that all of a sudden everyone has the right to view the tapes like in the instance you point out??  Then there are the people who say, &#8220;largest fine ever&#8221;, etc&#8230;Look at the money going around in the league today as compared to 5, 10, 20 yrs ago&#8230;there is always going to be a $ precedent set with the millionaire/billionaires of today. Just like you can&#8217;t compare SamBradford&#8217;s contract with Joe Montana, apples/oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: patriotinvasion</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dmretrogames says: Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM

“Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”

Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.

Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?

One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.
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Nope.  Goodell showed EVERYONE the tapes from Matt Walsh at a press conference!  Pay attention.  The taped showed signals out in the open for everyone to see....the scoreboard.....and cheerleaders.  Oh the horror!  And one hundred years from now, you&#039;ll be seeing NFL Films clips of the Patriots greatness and all of the Lombardi Trophies they won....and there&#039;s NOTHING you can do to change it!  Sorry baby boy....keep crying!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmretrogames says: Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM</p>
<p>“Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!”</p>
<p>Filming them was illegal. You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.</p>
<p>Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them? What is Goodell’s relationship with Kraft?</p>
<p>One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters. As it should be.<br />
_________</p>
<p>Nope.  Goodell showed EVERYONE the tapes from Matt Walsh at a press conference!  Pay attention.  The taped showed signals out in the open for everyone to see&#8230;.the scoreboard&#8230;..and cheerleaders.  Oh the horror!  And one hundred years from now, you&#8217;ll be seeing NFL Films clips of the Patriots greatness and all of the Lombardi Trophies they won&#8230;.and there&#8217;s NOTHING you can do to change it!  Sorry baby boy&#8230;.keep crying!</p>
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		<title>By: effedinLA</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they thought it was third down why were they going to try a kick then? There was time and they had a time out! They deserve to lose for trying to rush a kick on third down.
Balt is now one team I will root against because they complained about how stupid they really are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they thought it was third down why were they going to try a kick then? There was time and they had a time out! They deserve to lose for trying to rush a kick on third down.<br />
Balt is now one team I will root against because they complained about how stupid they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: PCa Survivor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PCa Survivor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Jim Natntz and Phil Simms could figure it out, well...

No excuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jim Natntz and Phil Simms could figure it out, well&#8230;</p>
<p>No excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: mjdkid100</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM

First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.

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Calling people naive when you dont even know what youre talking about. What a moron. 

The Patriots were caught in week 2 filming defensive signals across the sidelines. Not right before the SB you idiot. 

These are the same signals out in the open for everyone to see. With a pen and paper you could do the exact same thing. There are cameras everywhere picking up these signals. If you dont change signals when you play the same team in the same year, your coach is an idiot.  

They never recorded any practice like most of you retards would believe. That was shot down instantly and made up without a source by JOHN TOMASE and he issues an immediate apology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM</p>
<p>First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.<br />
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.<br />
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Calling people naive when you dont even know what youre talking about. What a moron. </p>
<p>The Patriots were caught in week 2 filming defensive signals across the sidelines. Not right before the SB you idiot. </p>
<p>These are the same signals out in the open for everyone to see. With a pen and paper you could do the exact same thing. There are cameras everywhere picking up these signals. If you dont change signals when you play the same team in the same year, your coach is an idiot.  </p>
<p>They never recorded any practice like most of you retards would believe. That was shot down instantly and made up without a source by JOHN TOMASE and he issues an immediate apology.</p>
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		<title>By: mjdkid100</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scoreboards are wrong all the time. That&#039;s why we hvae coaches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scoreboards are wrong all the time. That&#8217;s why we hvae coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: flash1283</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dwoofer says: 
Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM 
First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.
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Now lets correct your errors, 

First they hired Josh before the Denver/Pitt game, it just was not officially announced until after the game.

Second the score board and time and down and distance is all operated by an NFL official, not an employee of the Patriots.
There are also 2 down markers on the field on both sidelines that shows the down, also operated by NFL personal not Patriot employees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dwoofer says:<br />
Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM<br />
First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs. Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.<br />
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.<br />
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Now lets correct your errors, </p>
<p>First they hired Josh before the Denver/Pitt game, it just was not officially announced until after the game.</p>
<p>Second the score board and time and down and distance is all operated by an NFL official, not an employee of the Patriots.<br />
There are also 2 down markers on the field on both sidelines that shows the down, also operated by NFL personal not Patriot employees.</p>
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		<title>By: habsman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three shiney, clean, untainted trophies &quot;tuck&quot;ed safely away. And believe me, they are clean and untainted, because I&#039;ve seen them.

Maybe number 4 on the way?

And there is nothing you can do about it but cry.

Lots of nervous haters out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three shiney, clean, untainted trophies &#8220;tuck&#8221;ed safely away. And believe me, they are clean and untainted, because I&#8217;ve seen them.</p>
<p>Maybe number 4 on the way?</p>
<p>And there is nothing you can do about it but cry.</p>
<p>Lots of nervous haters out there.</p>
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		<title>By: portnoychunk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM

First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs.
Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

1) Their offensive coordinator announced in the same week he was leaving for Penn St.  The Pats didn&#039;t need McDaniels to beat the Broncos by 18 points 3 week earlier...why would they need him after already figuring the Broncos out.

2) The scoreboard operator is an NFL employee, not a New England Patriots employee....and to infer that the scoreboard operator is in on a conspiracy when the downs are clearly marked on the sidelines and indicated by the officials after each play is beyond idiotic.

3)  The Pats weren&#039;t found out to be &quot;cheating&quot; weeks before the Giants game.  Week 2-3 vs. the Jets they were reported by the Jets for using cameras in the improper positions (not illegal to tape, just illegal to tape from where the cameras were).

People aren&#039;t naive, they&#039;re just not as unintelligent as you appear to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dwoofer says: Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM</p>
<p>First they hire Denver’s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs.<br />
Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.<br />
Don’t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.<br />
If you don’t think the Patriots cheat, you’re naive.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</p>
<p>1) Their offensive coordinator announced in the same week he was leaving for Penn St.  The Pats didn&#8217;t need McDaniels to beat the Broncos by 18 points 3 week earlier&#8230;why would they need him after already figuring the Broncos out.</p>
<p>2) The scoreboard operator is an NFL employee, not a New England Patriots employee&#8230;.and to infer that the scoreboard operator is in on a conspiracy when the downs are clearly marked on the sidelines and indicated by the officials after each play is beyond idiotic.</p>
<p>3)  The Pats weren&#8217;t found out to be &#8220;cheating&#8221; weeks before the Giants game.  Week 2-3 vs. the Jets they were reported by the Jets for using cameras in the improper positions (not illegal to tape, just illegal to tape from where the cameras were).</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t naive, they&#8217;re just not as unintelligent as you appear to be.</p>
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		<title>By: 2dollarpbrs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the Ravens need a &quot;What Ferking Down Is It&quot; Consultant??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Ravens need a &#8220;What Ferking Down Is It&#8221; Consultant??</p>
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		<title>By: bsandcs</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539820</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!


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Nope.  Dolphins lost a first round draft pick in 1970 for tampering.  Tampering gives you a FAR greater competitve advantage than filming from a non-approved area.  Move the camera to a different spot, and suddenly that makes legit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Nope.  Dolphins lost a first round draft pick in 1970 for tampering.  Tampering gives you a FAR greater competitve advantage than filming from a non-approved area.  Move the camera to a different spot, and suddenly that makes legit.</p>
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		<title>By: dwoofer</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539798</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First they hire Denver&#039;s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs.  Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.
Don&#039;t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.  
If you don&#039;t think the Patriots cheat, you&#039;re naive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they hire Denver&#8217;s offensive coach just before they play Denver in the playoffs.  Then the scoreboard shows up with wrong information, which by the way, is very critical information in the final moments of a game.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget, folks, these are the same Patriots that were found to have been cheating just before the SB against the Giants.<br />
If you don&#8217;t think the Patriots cheat, you&#8217;re naive.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy26</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539779</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I haven&#039;t seen many Ravens fans complaining about this. There seems to be more people complaining about Ravens fans complaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I haven&#8217;t seen many Ravens fans complaining about this. There seems to be more people complaining about Ravens fans complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: gingerkid2000</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539775</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG this whole &quot;cheating&quot; thing is just sad. 1st off the scoreboard is operated by NFL personnel only not the Pats franchise. If you&#039;ve ever been to an NFL game there are often lags when it comes to the scoreboard and what is happening on the field. People will always think the the Pats cheat when they win any game because it&#039;s easier than admitting that your own team screwed the pooch! That&#039;s how losers think! There are only 4 downs not 10! The FACT is if you, as a coach, were doing your job by paying attention to the game you would have known it was 4th down and you would have called a time out to get organized! Instead they panicked under pressure. This is an excuse by the Ravens kicking team to absolve Cundiff and the coach of any blame and it&#039;s really pathetic! And remember this isn&#039;t the 1st time the Ravens have lost to the Pats and said they cheated. This is their MO. I&#039;m not surprised in the least that they&#039;re going this route. But I guess whatever gets you off the hook in taking any responsibility for crumbling at the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG this whole &#8220;cheating&#8221; thing is just sad. 1st off the scoreboard is operated by NFL personnel only not the Pats franchise. If you&#8217;ve ever been to an NFL game there are often lags when it comes to the scoreboard and what is happening on the field. People will always think the the Pats cheat when they win any game because it&#8217;s easier than admitting that your own team screwed the pooch! That&#8217;s how losers think! There are only 4 downs not 10! The FACT is if you, as a coach, were doing your job by paying attention to the game you would have known it was 4th down and you would have called a time out to get organized! Instead they panicked under pressure. This is an excuse by the Ravens kicking team to absolve Cundiff and the coach of any blame and it&#8217;s really pathetic! And remember this isn&#8217;t the 1st time the Ravens have lost to the Pats and said they cheated. This is their MO. I&#8217;m not surprised in the least that they&#8217;re going this route. But I guess whatever gets you off the hook in taking any responsibility for crumbling at the end.</p>
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		<title>By: hiyatencounter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[unreal, this team has a &quot; kicking consultant &quot; a special teams coach and a head coach that was a former special team coach and still cant figure out the process of field goals? You would think with all that coaching the kicker would know you often kick on 3rd down at end of games in case of bad snaps. There is simply no excuse to not be ready to kick  that field goal. Raven fans are very passionate but they even have to know enough is enough. Send the consultant and the kicker down the highway. While they are at it, maybe some of the high priced defensive stars can take a pay cut and get a decent kicker. You are only as good as the last man. Its not only the kicker who is wide left on that team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unreal, this team has a &#8221; kicking consultant &#8221; a special teams coach and a head coach that was a former special team coach and still cant figure out the process of field goals? You would think with all that coaching the kicker would know you often kick on 3rd down at end of games in case of bad snaps. There is simply no excuse to not be ready to kick  that field goal. Raven fans are very passionate but they even have to know enough is enough. Send the consultant and the kicker down the highway. While they are at it, maybe some of the high priced defensive stars can take a pay cut and get a decent kicker. You are only as good as the last man. Its not only the kicker who is wide left on that team.</p>
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		<title>By: tudefit</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539754</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are calling plays from the sideline based on the down and yardage needed. Now how can you call a play and not know what down it is? So you thinnk you are calling a play on 2nd down and suddenly it says it&#039;s 4th down and you don&#039;t question it? Especially when you have a time out and don&#039;t use it? Seems like Ray Lewis, whom I do not like, is the only one over there taking the loss like a man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are calling plays from the sideline based on the down and yardage needed. Now how can you call a play and not know what down it is? So you thinnk you are calling a play on 2nd down and suddenly it says it&#8217;s 4th down and you don&#8217;t question it? Especially when you have a time out and don&#8217;t use it? Seems like Ray Lewis, whom I do not like, is the only one over there taking the loss like a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Patskrieg dot com</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patskrieg dot com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the world coming to when Terrell Suggs is the guy I look to for maturity in a franchise? 

In all seriousness, I&#039;ve gained a lot of respect for Suggs since this game ended. He&#039;s come a very long way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the world coming to when Terrell Suggs is the guy I look to for maturity in a franchise? </p>
<p>In all seriousness, I&#8217;ve gained a lot of respect for Suggs since this game ended. He&#8217;s come a very long way.</p>
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		<title>By: ampats</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampats]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In every NFL stadium the scoreboards are operated by employees of the NFL not the home team.

If you think the Patriots &quot;cheated&quot; go talk to the former NY Jets employee Roger Goodell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In every NFL stadium the scoreboards are operated by employees of the NFL not the home team.</p>
<p>If you think the Patriots &#8220;cheated&#8221; go talk to the former NY Jets employee Roger Goodell</p>
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		<title>By: TxGrown</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539711</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@1historian .....
You a historian forgot the 8th &quot;P&quot;.
Past.....2007 .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1historian &#8230;..<br />
You a historian forgot the 8th &#8220;P&#8221;.<br />
Past&#8230;..2007 .</p>
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		<title>By: bbpats</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539706</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Ravens employ a &quot;kicking consultant&quot; who can&#039;t consult on a kick!
Then he has the nerve to come out and blame it on the Pats.
Do your job buddy. 
It&#039;s sad because Suggs, Lewis, and Reed aren&#039;t whining and taking the bait for excuses like this guy is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ravens employ a &#8220;kicking consultant&#8221; who can&#8217;t consult on a kick!<br />
Then he has the nerve to come out and blame it on the Pats.<br />
Do your job buddy.<br />
It&#8217;s sad because Suggs, Lewis, and Reed aren&#8217;t whining and taking the bait for excuses like this guy is.</p>
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		<title>By: flash1283</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stevietheshiz says: 
Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM 
Of course the Pats cheated – it’s the only way Little Bill knows how to win. He will cheat with your wife, he will steal your signals, he will bug your locker room and he will have the scoreboard operator cheat too – It’s the Patriot way………Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!
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So when Denver and San Francisco received a fine (Denver was fined more than NE) and lost draft picks, that doesn’t count in your small head?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stevietheshiz says:<br />
Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM<br />
Of course the Pats cheated – it’s the only way Little Bill knows how to win. He will cheat with your wife, he will steal your signals, he will bug your locker room and he will have the scoreboard operator cheat too – It’s the Patriot way………Little Bill and the Pats are the ONLY NFL TEAM IN HISTORY to lose a draft pick and be fined for……….you know…………….CHEATING!!!!!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>So when Denver and San Francisco received a fine (Denver was fined more than NE) and lost draft picks, that doesn’t count in your small head?</p>
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		<title>By: dmretrogames</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!&quot;

Filming them was illegal.   You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.   

Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them?   What is Goodell&#039;s relationship with Kraft?

One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters.   As it should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grasping for straws….the Patriots are 68-19 since ESPN got all of your panties in a bunch over filming signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium. 2 AFC Championships and going for their 4th ring in 11 years. Keep hatin’, we just keep winning!&#8221;</p>
<p>Filming them was illegal.   You cheated your way to three tainted trophies.   </p>
<p>Why did Goodell burn the tapes without letting anyone see them?   What is Goodell&#8217;s relationship with Kraft?</p>
<p>One hundred years from now, the Patriots will be known as cheaters.   As it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: BernardPollardIsAnAss</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/if-pats-cheated-ravens-then-shame-on-the-ravens/#comment-1539689</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@steviethewiz

Hey idiot,

For starters, the Broncos lost draft picks and were fined for CHEATING the salary cap during their back to back super bowl wins.  I am sure there are plenty of other instances, without having looked.  Don&#039;t you just hate when you talk sh#t about something and are completely ignorant of how things really are?  Dope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steviethewiz</p>
<p>Hey idiot,</p>
<p>For starters, the Broncos lost draft picks and were fined for CHEATING the salary cap during their back to back super bowl wins.  I am sure there are plenty of other instances, without having looked.  Don&#8217;t you just hate when you talk sh#t about something and are completely ignorant of how things really are?  Dope.</p>
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