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Scoreboard is operated by home team, but Ravens still shouldn’t complain

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In response to last night’s item regarding the suggestion by Ravens kicking consultant Randy Brown, whose job presumably consists of yelling “Oyage!” from the sideline (thanks for the inspiration, Fritzy), of scoreboard manipulation in Foxborough, several of you have insisted that the Patriots couldn’t have deliberately displayed false information because the league, not the Patriots, operates the scoreboard.

Unfortunately, that’s not accurate.  NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via email this morning that the home team operates the scoreboard.

I mention this reluctantly, because I firmly believe that, even if the Patriots intentionally put up the wrong number in order to confound Cundiff (and I strongly, strongly doubt they did), the Ravens should have relied on their own assessment of the situation — or at a minimum the large sticks with the number on top of them.

“The scoreboard was one down behind, the entire last three plays, from what we understand,” Brown told WIP radio on Tuesday.  “I don’t think you can rule anything out in New England, can you?

Aiello said the league would have no comment on Brown’s comments.  But the league frowns upon baseless accusations of cheating, as the Jets and special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff learned after the Sal Alosi incident in December 2010.  Westhoff suggested that the Dolphins and Patriots also try to trip or impede “gunners” who stray toward the sidelines.  Jets owner Woody Johnson later called Dolphins owner Stephen Ross and Patriots owner Robert Kraft to apologize.

In this case, regardless of what the league does or doesn’t do, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti should be making a call to Massachusetts.  Right after he finds out precisely why in the hell his team employs a “kicking consultant.”

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  1. mswravens says: Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    I wish this story would die. We lost. He should have been able to make that kick blindfolded. It happens. It happened. Time to mvoe on. Great season. Great future. Time to move on!!!

  2. chmba says: Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    DUh…we have a coach and a team with a history of cheating!! Why shouldn’t cheating be a distinct possibility???

  3. ingraven says: Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    I am a HUGE “Baltimore Ravens” Fan but can we PLEASE just LET THIS GO!!!

  4. flaccodelic says: Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    Oh come on already. The “kicking consultant” – not even the kicking coach mind you – makes a stupid comment and now “The Ravens” are complaining?

    This site seems really determined to get people to think that the team and its fans are whining about something or other. I haven’t heard a single real Ravens fan complain about alleged cheating, just the fact that it sucks that our WRs and kicker aren’t clutch.

  5. packattack1967 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    Special teams coach(among others) should know what down it is. Scoreboard is for the fans. Lets play football.

  6. gimmeabruschi says: Jan 25, 2012 10:27 AM

    Maybe they should hire a “scoreboard consultant” to verify if the scoreboard and on field indicators agree. I’m available.

  7. nxsteven says: Jan 25, 2012 10:27 AM

    Ravens should have made that kick either way, to be honest.

    This is about accountability….

  8. nxsteven says: Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM

    Also, did Kraft or Belichick ever apologize? Belichick said he was going to, never did.

  9. cornellsteelers says: Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM

    Good thing the Patriots have a stellar record of good sportsmanship that prevents anyone from even considering the possibility that they might cheat.

  10. danny2305 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    Yeah they should have made the kick anyway, but to say that they shouldn’t ever look at the scoreboard in case someone happens to be cheating is a bit ridiculous.

    Once a cheat always a cheat, go Giants!!

  11. norseyapper says: Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    Baltimore had a timeout left and that should end this nonsense. If Cundiff felt hurried because he was confused then he or the coaches need to use the timeout. It really is that simple and the rest of this is ridiculous.

    By the way, I was REALLY hoping the Ravens would win that game.

  12. PFTiswhatitis says: Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    what a bunch of whining little bitches. You lost because your team did not do enough and your coaching staff isn’t on top of things. LOSERS.

  13. BTC says: Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    So much blame to go around. The Ravens for not looking at the huge orange down markers. Cundiff for not calling a timeout if he felt rushed. Harbaugh for not calling a timeout when saw his special teams ashambles. Lee Evans for letting a rookie strip him. Flacco even for missing wide open receivers when he threw to Pitta.

    But can we just let go of this story? Even if the Patriots did cheat, it’s the Ravens’ fault for trusting known and proven cheaters.

  14. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM

    Not saying they did it on purpose, but if they did… Its stupid to say its Baltimores fault anyways…

    Thats like saying that the teams who were videotaped in spygate should have known that it was possible and should have somehow prevented it from happening.

    If they did it on purpose (which they probably didnt), then it was wrong. By being a down off, the players are in the moment and surely do rely on the scoreboard to keep track of downs. That error could have easily led to a spike on 4 th down if they got sacked bc they would have thought it was 3 rd down.

    Thats not how it played out, but the potential was there…

  15. ham1 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM

    DUH…we have a coach and a team with a history of whining. We know that it is more than a disticnt possibility, it’s is a fact.

  16. rc33 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM

    Ya know, I watched the final seconds unfold again last night. In the final analysis, Cundiff had plenty of time to do his routine, get set and kick…what amounted to…a long extra point

    This “clock operator” stuff simply sounds pathetic. He blew the kick; beginning, middle and end of story.

  17. drogan817 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM

    This is getting stupid. We lost it’s over and excuses are like A Holes everyone has one. Just let this story die please.

    Thank You
    Ravens and Football fans everywhere.

  18. djstat says: Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM

    As a Ravens fan, all I can say is…if Lee Evans holds the damn ball, none of this matters. Bottom line is the Ravens did not get the job done this year. Blame is on the players and coaches. PERIOD. GO RAVENS IN 2012

  19. weepingjebus says: Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM

    Also, the Patriots were supposed to provide ice in the event of Ravens injuries, and yet a few hours later the ice had been replaced with a mysterious clear liquid! Those diabolical bastards!

  20. ralphtherealravenfan says: Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    Why is this still an issue? Why do outlets keep kicking around the same story? The issue wasn’t the scoreboard! The Ravens didn’t care about that! Did Joe look dazed and confused when he was trying to make plays to win the game? NO!!! Is it the scoreboard’s fault that Lee Evans relaxed too soon and got stripped? NO!!!! And the scoreboard had nothing to do with Cundiff missing a 32 yard kick! We can go back and forth on all this other extraneous stuff, but it doesn’t matter, because 51 Ravens came to play Sunday, 2 didn’t, and we lost the game. Simple and plain.

  21. pftusername1 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    During the last minute of the game I was completely drunk, hitting on a girl standing next to me in a bar with a hundred other screaming fans, texting my friends who weren’t there and trying to calculate the tip in my foggy brain. Through all that I still knew what down it was!

  22. effedinLA says: Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    They knew it was fourth down, or do the Ravens usually kick on third down? This is the dumbest excuse I have heard in a very long time and I have two kids!
    Call a time out then idiots! I now officially hate Baltimore because of their stupidity and whining.

  23. dickroy says: Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    It is stupid to whine about this. Players and coaches should know what down it is on every play. I can’t remember for sure, but was the Patriots the team a few years ago had the snow plow run out and clear the field for their own kicker’s field goal attempt??

  24. lbdpatch says: Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    Let It Go If Evans would held on to the ball the game would have been over. Stop looking for excuses. The Patriots won fair and square all of the excuses are bull.

  25. benwantsababyruth says: Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    Non story. It’s a wonder why people say the Ravens complain. As a die hard, I say that this is just besides the point. In no way do I see how the kicking consultant represents the voice of the team and fanbase. If there was confusion, which there was, why not call the time out. Bad coaching, bad kicking, bad catching. Better luck next year.

  26. jdubb719 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    Child Please!

  27. ampats says: Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    badtimeoutcaldwell says,

    Thats like saying the teams who were videotaped in spygate should have known that it was possible ————–

    Do you even understand what spygate was? The Patriots were videotaping from an unauthorized location which was on their sideline in clear view of 68,000 + fans.

    Do everyone a favor and concentrate on your 2-14 team and how to run Peyton Manning out of town .

  28. sojumaster says: Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    Could we REALLY be suprised that something like this occured in New England?

    Not saying it was on purpose, but as long as BB is the HC, there will ALWAYS be a cloud of suspicion.

  29. rexryansfeet says: Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    The Patriots defense looks at the same scoreboard, how come they knew what down it was? I was 9 beers deep, how come I knew what down it was? Enough with the complaining. If the Ravens were really confused, all they had to do was call timeout. Instead, they lost the game with a timeout in their pocket.

  30. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    If a team can’t keep track of the down on their own and can’t get their kicker out on the field in time to get it done what hope is there for them. He missed the e-ffing kick, get over it and get another kicker (another wide receiver wouldn’t hurt either.) Next they’ll be talking alien abduction.

  31. myspaceyourface says: Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    1, 2, 3, and 4

    So why does it matter if he is kicking on 3rd or 4th?

    Is it a longer kicker? Do the uprights shrink on 3rd?

    Does he have a disadvantage of some kind if the down isn’t what he thought it was?

    Did the score board say ZERO timeouts for BAL?

    Ravens back to their whining and excuses.

  32. 2sausage11 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    Even if it said 3rd down the time left on the clock which is alot easier to see should have told him he has to kick a field goal to send to overtime

  33. packerjer says: Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    Stuff like this seems to happen at Foxboro quite a bit. But I agree, this isn’t the reason they lost.

  34. pftcensorssuck says: Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    Can it truly be a “duplicate comment” if the censors didn’t allow the FIRST post???

    Cundiff felt comfortable enough not to call the timeout he had available …….

    dude simply MISSED a 32 yard chip shot.

    Unless some of you idiots think the Patriots employed a remote controlled football.

    It’s always easier to yell “Cheaters!” than admit your team blew TWO shots at the end zone, and an easy field goal.

    The mighty Ravens LOST, ….. deal with it.

  35. emaimo80 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:54 AM

    Is Peyton manning running the super bowl scoreboard? He is a member of the home team? Go Eli!!!

  36. pftusername1 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    the play clock is still the same regardless what down it is. they still could see that it was winding down and they needed to use a t.o.? poor coaching, no way to dispute it.

  37. kya_tropic_fan says: Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    nxsteven says:
    Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM
    Also, did Kraft or Belichick ever apologize? Belichick said he was going to, never did.
    _____________________

    WRRRRROOOOOONNNNNGGGGG! They both stood up and apologized at the league meetings. PFT wrote a story about it, because the league applauded Kraft after his apology, and did nothing for Belichick, which is kind of funny if you ask me

    As far as “Scoreboardgate”, I think it gave New England an advantage equal to the advantage gained from filming signals, in other words, it didnt make a difference….

  38. youguysaretotalnerds says: Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    NOBODY on the Ravens is making this a big deal. The “Kicking Consultant” is a punk and his views are not shared by the organization. Get off this topic because it enrages Ravens fans who AREN’T in the business of making excuses for a loss.

    Tough game. We did not win it. That’s it. Sometimes you just come up short.

    Kicking coaches don’t speak for the rest of the team and for him to insinuate that there was foul play involved is an insult to the guys out there who left everything they had out there on the field.

    Stop trying to churn a story out of nothing. Like I said, it’s infuriating to Ravens fans who don’t make excuses.

  39. flash1283 says: Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM

    If the Ravens thought it was 3rd down then why were they trying to kick with 1 timeout left?
    Why would they not go for the win?

  40. kya_tropic_fan says: Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM

    Also, one more thing, the Baltimore coaches knew it was 4th down, the only one that didnt was Cundiff. If the Ravens had tried to run another play, thinking it was 3rd down, then you might have a point. But Baltimore brought their kicker out because, wait for it, they knew it was 4th down

  41. bozosforall says: Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM

    PFTiswhatitis says:
    Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM
    what a bunch of whining little bitches. You lost because your team did not do enough and your coaching staff isn’t on top of things. LOSERS.

    __
    You mean like the whining little Patriot fan bitches over on the “What Losing A Super Bowl Can Do To You” thread?

    Go screw yourself, loser Pats fan. The New England sports fan base is the wussiest in all of sport.

  42. pongonfl says: Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM

    Why do people think home field is a 3 point advantage.
    You can screw with the turf, you can screw with the clock, you can screw with the score board, you can screw with the other guys locker room.
    Its not just crowed noise.

  43. steviethewiz says: Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM

    Wow – so Little Bill’s cheating ways continue how sad – this Little Bill will cheat with your wife, bug your locker room, video tape illegally, cause your head sets to go out and now he adds screwing with the scoreboard to his list – What a sad little man.

  44. 8man says: Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    If you feel like your team got jobbed, you should be able to talk about it. And if there is suspicious activity then the league needs to investigate.

    @rexryansfeet
    I totally agree with you. I was standing in front of my big screen, and I knew the down and the distance for the FG as soon as the Patriots made the stop on third down. I had calculated it on the previous play knowing they’d kick if they didn’t convert. And I too, was about 9 or 10 beers deep. So yeah, how come an entire sideline of head coaches didn’t know it?

  45. turdfurgerson68 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:05 AM

    Funny how Giant fans convienently forget about their cheating past

    Bill Parcells would have stadium personal open/close certain doorways near the tunnels leading into Giants Stadium to mess with the opposing teams kickers.

    Sounds like cheating to me.

    Super Bowl XXI*
    Super Bowl XXV*

    *Tainted by cheating

  46. CKL says: Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM

    Look, I’ve been tough on Ravens fans and players in the past for how they’ve acted on the internet/ tv but there were ZERO Ravens players whining about this after the game. ZERO. Suggs had an A #1 chance to spout off about this on ESPN the day after the game and instead he got mad at Skip for trying to lead him down that path. And more than half the fans who are whining here are NOT Ravens fans either. They’ve been cool throughout this whole deal. Hats off to the Ravens players and fans from this Pats fan.

    All you NYG fans here who are whining about “belicheat” make me laugh. Two of your Lombardis are negated also then. LOL

  47. citizenstrange says: Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    If you don’t think the Patriots were purposely cheating you just haven’t been paying attention.

  48. thumper00 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM

    BREAKING NEWS !!! It has been reported that Bob Krafts private jet swooped low over the field and the thrust blew the ball wide left, more to follow at 11:00. Really people, if you can’t
    beat a team you acuse them of something, try to be responsible for your own play and LIVES.

  49. piratefreedom says: Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM

    This is no excuse to ridicule Ravens fans over this, very few of them are being crybaby whiners.
    The vast majority I’ve heard from are showing impressive class and dignity.
    – Pats fan

  50. reebsta says: Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    Thank god for Spy Gate, I mean that seems to relinquish all responsibility from any team that loses to the Pats.

  51. badtimeoutcaldwell says: Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    Ampats:
    Do you even understand what spygate was? The Patriots were videotaping from an unauthorized location which was on their sideline in clear view of 68,000 + fans.

    Do everyone a favor and concentrate on your 2-14 team and how to run Peyton Manning out of town
    ———————

    Spygate was the Patriots cheating to get an advantage, just ad this scenario also could have been cheating to get an advantage . Legit comparison dumba$$

  52. cruuuzcontrol says: Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM

    Randy Brown is a politician (former mayor of Evesham, NJ). True to that form, dude apparently loves some attention and doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut. He’s been with Harbaugh for a while, going back to Harbaugh’s days with the Eagles. This may be grounds for a divorce.

  53. ggreen7 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM

    I was at the game and I knew it was 4th down. So did everyone around me. Are the Ravens coaches seriously saying that they rely on the scoreboard for down and distance? If so, they should all be fired.

  54. igetmyweedfromjeromesimpson says: Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM

    My god, have you nothing else to report on today Mike? I’m surprised you can type all these complaining stories with your head buried in Belicheck’s lap…….geez.

  55. illogic87 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM

    spygate 2.0 anyone?

  56. kissbillsrings says: Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM

    What I like most about this article is that it’s moot….Ravens are home & Patriots are in the Super Bowl…….

  57. 6ball says: Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM

    .

    Once while watching a baseball game the scoreboard said the count was 2-2, but it was really 3-2. Where was this game? Fenway Park in Boston. Apparently this blatant cheating is a regional thing.

    Also have unconfirmed rumors that the Boston Bruins hold. Updates on that unfolding “cheating ” scandal as they become available.

    .

  58. matiberio says: Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM

    “Anything that’s associated with winning, I’m proud of,” Belichick said.

  59. kaieye says: Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM

    Bottom line, the kicking consultant or whoever is responsible on the sidelines for sending the kicker on the field screwed up. I know it’s probably easy to watch the board, but its the AFC championship game, you have to be perfect.

    They werent, and we lost. And I still can’t watch SB promos showing Brady vs Eli. Too painful.

  60. cliverush says: Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM

    Raven’s fans and players, with the exception of a couple, have shown class the league and fans the meaning of the team concept. Ray Lewis exercised his position as team leader with his words and actions.

    With time running out in a playoff game the team who held the ball became confused. The coach who was responsible needs to own up, not blame others. Your fan base deserves better.

  61. flash1283 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM

    bozosforall says:
    Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM
    PFTiswhatitis says:
    Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM
    what a bunch of whining little bitches. You lost because your team did not do enough and your coaching staff isn’t on top of things. LOSERS.

    __

    Go screw yourself, loser Pats fan. The New England sports fan base is the wussiest in all of sport.
    —————-

    Again, people (Bozo) that comment everyday on anything that has to do with the Patriots with the same lame crap really shouldn’t be calling anyone a LOSER!!

  62. holeinone09 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM

    I applaud the Ravens fans here saying the scoreboard had nothing to do with the loss and to let it go. It was a tough loss, but don’t blame the loss on the scoreboard. Ravens had a good season, and only one team wins the Super Bowl.

    From a Steelers fan, who also suffered through a tough playoff loss to a team I thought we were better than and didn’t make excuses about it.

  63. j0esixpack says: Jan 25, 2012 11:38 AM

    The whole team seemed unprepared.

    I think it had something to do with the fact that the Boston Globe TV Guide mistakenly had the game listed as starting at 5:00pm.

    Was this done on purpose? I don’t think you can rule anything out in New England.

    Seems to me the Ravens and all their fans have a legitimate gripe about that.

  64. dcfan4life says: Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM

    Nothing, absolutely nothing feasable could possibly happen in that stadium that should cause an NFL kicker to miss a 32 yard kick besides something from the players themselves. End of story.

  65. j0esixpack says: Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM

    65,762 fans watching the same scoreboard knew exactly what down it was.

    The only one who wasn’t up to speed was the kicker.

    What bad luck!

  66. mistabelvedere says: Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM

    It doesn’t matter if it said 15th down. This comes down to accountability of the Special Teams coach, and ultimately the Head Coach. They need to manage the game, have the players in the right spots, and help them out if there are issues. Losing track of down/distance and neglecting your last timeout in this situation falls on the coaching staff.

  67. 2sausage11 says: Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM

    For all the Belicheat comments you act like he got away with MURDER right RAH RAH RAY Lewis

  68. superbowltruffle says: Jan 25, 2012 11:53 AM

    Hi. I’m a Pats fan and I was there. If you think the scoreboard hi-jinks were bad, wait till they find out how all the fans on the near sidelines were given industrial strength fans and turned them on to push the FG left.

    LOL Ravens

  69. Lonely Libertarian says: Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM

    But this is a large, highly profitable business…

    Why not make it look professional?

    I don’t disagree that the Ravens muffed this – but for the NFL to have the scoreboard NOT BE ACCURATE is as embarrassing as some of the horrible calls they tolerate from their semi-pro officials.

    GOD-L should be ashamed of the both…

  70. stangz11 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM

    Am I the only one here who thinks that changing the downs on a scoreboard is hardly a form of “cheating”?

  71. habsman says: Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM

    Three shiney trophies, untainted trophies safely “TUCK”ed away.

    And there is nothing you can do about it, except cry!

    Did the Pat’s cheat the Ravens? Who cares it’s over, and there is nothing you can do about except cry.

    Lots of nervous haters out there.

  72. akulabug says: Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM

    See. I learned something new today.

    The number on the down marker is directy related to the amout of space between the football and the goal post when the kick goes wide.

    I did not know that.

  73. dsigrey says: Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM

    Kicking consultant? What the heck is his job? Does he hold the sweatpants and tee? Seriously? Shouldn’t his job be to know what down it is and get his kicker ready? If anyone on that staff is watching the score board for the downs they should be assamed of themselves. My question is, does Harbaugh get to carry that last time out over to next season? Was he saving it because he thought the Pats would try and ice the kicker? Shame on him… you see your kicker rushing, you call time out.

  74. jimyritz says: Jan 25, 2012 12:06 PM

    I guess everyone but the kicker and kicking consultant knew its was 4th down..

    Why doesn’t anyone ask Harbough why he didn’t call a time out? maybe he thought they carry over to next year…

    Outside of Bernard Pollard, most of the other Ravens have shown class…

  75. rockthered1286 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM

    I’m a Ravens fan 100%. Grew up in Baltimore and bleed purple. I can say from first hand experience that 95% of our fan base is crushed and NOT pointing any fingers, and of that group, every single one of us has malace for the other 5% that are playing the blame game here. No, we did not win. No, we are not accusing anyone of cheating, and I’d wish the morons who are complaining would just shut up and stop making our fan base as a whole look like bigger cry babies than Brady (come on, I had to get a shot in). Fact is it’s over. We lost Evans played a great 59:30 in the game, and Cundiff…well from kickoff I said he was off bc he could hardly reach the goal line, and on that 4th down I said ‘go for it’ but is what it is.

    And not calling out Pats fans necessarily, but whoever honestly thinks the entire Ravens coaching staff screwed up, you’re welcome to join the morons in our fan base who are whining. It’s one guy. Consultant. Not even a coach. He’s an idiot crying for attention. Not one player or coach has come out with any finger pointing. Stop generalizing!

  76. drbob117 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:16 PM

    People are over thinking this. Cundiff missed a 31 yarder. He choked. Third down, 4th down, sunny day, cloudy day, people calling time out to freeze you…whatever….If you miss a 31 yarder, you are a choke artist. He will not be with the Ravens next year, despite all of the outward messages of support.

  77. ziggy26 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM

    Randy Brown’s one job on game day is to make sure the kicking team is prepared, and he failed miserably. Of course he’s trying to pin the blame on somebody else.

  78. detroitcityryda says: Jan 25, 2012 12:23 PM

    Feel bad for ravens wanted them to win since lions were kicked out ,but giants will kill patriots they are more hungry and went through a lot to get to SB,while pats got the easy way in.but the ravens must release flaccos Mongol warrior mustache .

  79. patsfiend says: Jan 25, 2012 12:24 PM

    bozosforall says:
    “You mean like the whining little Patriot fan bitches over on the “What Losing A Super Bowl Can Do To You” thread?

    Go screw yourself, loser Pats fan. The New England sports fan base is the wussiest in all of sport.”
    ———-

    No, actually, he means like the worst kind of fan of them all, a front running, cowardly wuss like you who roots for the Yankees, but ALSO the Lakers, and the LSU Tigers. A slurp-boy to Kobe AND Jeter (how many signed balls do you have, loser?) All big and bad calling the people from Alabama a bunch of inbreeds on the college boards before the Tide shut out your sorry sack of a football team in the big game, and then you’re nowhere to be found.

    On top of deserting his home town team(s) to root for only winners, you don’t have the cojones to even actually support a NFL football team publicly, because your team is so pathetic and you are a purple coward. But I’m sure once the Vikings start winning, you’ll be all talk, poopd!ck, as you are now on the boards of the other mercenary teams you support.

  80. jdmcmill says: Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM

    PFT is getting 100+ comments on these bogus stories, why WOULD they let it die!!!

    A total non-issue!!!!

  81. patsfan87 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM

    Now the Ravens need to blame the Patriots for the loss because of a scoreboard malfunction. Get a break.
    The officials are the ones who keep the time on the field and the chain gang have the down marker on the sideline which was on the Baltimore sideline.
    I fault John Harbaugh and the Ravens staff for being unprepared. It’s over regardless of the officials not calling for a further look on the Lee Evans non catch, the scoreboard error or the miss field goal. It is a 60 minute game and the Ravens did themselves in overall. Yes they played better in many different areas of the game however when it counted the most the Patriots WON!!!

  82. njhitman says: Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM

    Are you sure it wasn’t a song they played in the stadium ?

  83. patsfan87 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM

    And for anyone who is a regular at Foxboro like me knows that the Patriots Visionboard has not been working properly all year long. This was not a Baltimore game issue, this has been a year long issue.

  84. havok82 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM

    This is so dumb. Anyone who uses the scoreboard and not the official down markers that are on the field exclusively is a moron. Unless you are a drooling idiot, there is no logical excuse for NOT knowing the down and distance when you are on those sidelines.

    This needs to die.

    For all of those who STILL harp on Spygate…get over it. Chances are strong that you know very little about it but are regurgitating what the talking heads have spoon fed you. You do realize that most of the games that were taped they actually lost, right?

  85. grpatriot says: Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM

    This is beyond pathetic!

  86. kya_tropic_fan says: Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM

    Does anyone know who will be considered the “home team” in this years Super Bowl? Since it is being played in Indy, I am just trying to figure out who is going to get the advantage of fake crowd noise…

  87. beeronthefridge says: Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM

    Patriots are nothing but cheaters!

    Their superbowl wins were “earned” by stealing other team’s plays via spygate – for which they had to forfeit a no. 1 pick – and knowing in advance what they were doing.

    No wonder their coach’s name is belicheat.

  88. nfl1818 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:40 PM

    1- Ravens fans aint complaining

    2- some day we can ask Cundiff – you were running onto the filed late – what caused the delay ?

    3- doesn’t change the fact that all his coaches new the situation

    4- too bad this cheating thing is so wildy misunderstood and overstatd – it’s an insult to what all those players and coaches have accomplished

  89. bigdon76 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:47 PM

    wait you mean to tell me the patriots cheated.I don’t want to believe it.josh mcdaniels was caught w spygate 2 in London against the 49ers.oh wait he was allowed to join the patriots since goddell has his hand in rob krafts pocket.way to crack down on cheating deputy goddell

  90. pftusername1 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:51 PM

    Hey beer, how do you secretly steal plays that are out in the open for everyone to see? O, you don’t.

  91. rmc1995 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM

    This story was posted in direct response to idiot Patriot fans who insisted the NFL runs the score board in effort to make the kicking consultant look like a bigger fool than he already is. However, this just makes the know nothing front runner Pats fans look more like know nothing front runners.

    The Ravens have a Special Teams Coordinator and an assistant special teams coach and the consultant. There is no excuse to not be ready as soon as they we’re in field goal range

  92. flash1283 says: Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM

    patsfiend says:
    Jan 25, 2012 12:24 PM
    bozosforall says:
    “You mean like the whining little Patriot fan bitches over on the “What Losing A Super Bowl Can Do To You” thread?

    Go screw yourself, loser Pats fan. The New England sports fan base is the wussiest in all of sport.”
    ———-

    No, actually, he means like the worst kind of fan of them all, a front running, cowardly wuss like you who roots for the Yankees, but ALSO the Lakers, and the LSU Tigers. A slurp-boy to Kobe AND Jeter (how many signed balls do you have, loser?) All big and bad calling the people from Alabama a bunch of inbreeds on the college boards before the Tide shut out your sorry sack of a football team in the big game, and then you’re nowhere to be found.

    On top of deserting his home town team(s) to root for only winners, you don’t have the cojones to even actually support a NFL football team publicly, because your team is so pathetic and you are a purple coward. But I’m sure once the Vikings start winning, you’ll be all talk, poopd!ck, as you are now on the boards of the other mercenary teams you support.
    ———-

    Now thats funny!

    @patsfiend

    People like this TOOL (Bozo) thank god every day for the internet.
    If not for the internet they would have no life at all!

  93. patriotinvasion says: Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM

    Isn’t the “you cheated!” complaint a common phrase amongst children who are upset they lost? Yes, it is. Here’s a thought….score more points than the Patriots and you’ll win. If you can’t, tough.

  94. lphboston says: Jan 25, 2012 12:56 PM

    AMPATS has it right. It was not illegal to film signals of opposing coaches. The Patriots just did it from a location that was off limits, and out of spite, Mangini blew the whistle. Why did they film from that spot? Probably has to do with Belichick trying to stick in it Mangini’s face. But there was no advantage gained. The Pats could have — and probably did — film from an allowed area, the press box. Just like other teams probably did. Jimmy Johnson has said as much.

    But since you can’t put all that on a bumper sticker, people just like to think that the Patriots cheated. They didn’t.

  95. habsman says: Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM

    ninety nine bottles of beeronthefridge, ninety nine bottlels of beer, you take one down, act like a clown, ninety nine bottles of beeronthefridge….

  96. dyims says: Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM

    @bozosforall your screen name says everything about you — you are a BOZO i.e. a clown. You think that youare being clever and witty coming a Pats story to ridicule the team and it’s fans. You are the LOSER not them. Try to accomplish something worthwhile in your pathetic little life.

    @nxsteven, you need to worry about your pathetic Jets. The imploding team has enough skeletons in it’s closet. Take a real close look at their (pathetic as it is) history of what they have done in the past. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!!!!!

  97. mlbbal52 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM

    All the people saying the Ravens are whining please stop. Any team that loses has stories come out about them so if that is the case every team in the league is a whiner.
    Here is why the Ravens lost. They got a fumble recovery with good field position and settled for a FG. They called a draw when they needed 6 yards on third down. They were running the ball great on the drive where Flacco threw the pick and should have kept running it until the pats stopped it which would have run the clock down as well leaving Brady no time to respond if the Ravens would have managed to score. Dickson dropped a ball that would have given them a first down. Flacco missed Torrey Smith on some deep passes where he was wide open and under threw it on the one deep catch he made that if would have been where it should have been Smith would have walked in. Evans dropped the game winner yeah Moore got a hand in there but guys like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin wouldn’t drop the ball even if the defensive player swung a sledge hammer at it. Cundiff wasn’t trusted to kick the 51 yarder earlier in the game and missed the one to tie it. And lastly we left NE with a time out which is completely stupid.

    Teams like the Patriots and Steelers win and do it well because of fundamentals. They make the appropriate calls, use their timeouts when they should, hardly fumble and commit stupid penalties. They are discipline and if they mess up they are not active the following week. The Ravens have a ton of talent but they doesn’t mean everything imagine where they would be with complete fundamentals and Discipline.

    Again we lost none of us are complaining about Wilfork’s helmet or the scoreboard or what ever. PFT manages to post up here. It was a heart breaker but hey that’s sports…

  98. kmkhaine says: Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM

    Pats do everything in their power to twist, bend and manipulate the rules. And have for a long time and don’t see any reason not to.
    A little ‘sour grapes’ press for a few days and another chance at a Lombardi. They ain’t changing any time soon (unless there are consequences but I don’t see any of that happening any time soon).

  99. kellyb9 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM

    It was like that for 3 downs. So I can only assume, Baltimore used that board to determine the down and didn’t notice the error, which is their fault, or weren’t looking at it at all. I’m going to assume the latter because I’ve seen numerous occasions where a coaching staff has called out an officiating crew on game clock related issues after a penalty or review. Either way, this had no impact on the game, Baltimore still had a timeout, which they should have used in retrospect, and had to make a chip shot field goal, which they completely missed.

  100. ravensfan4life52 says: Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM

    No one with a brain is complaining about this. It’s not a big deal. Cundiff hasn’t once blamed the scoreboard for making him miss the kick, he took full responsibility. Suggs wasn’t placing blame either he was just stating that there was confusion on the sideline and that was why it took Cundiff so long to get onto the field. That idiot kicking consultant and a handful of delusional fans are the only ones complaining about this. Let’s drop it, because now it’s just getting annoying.

  101. guestsinger says: Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM

    The following will not offend the Patriots because for any public protest they display, they could really care less. The Pats video tape, provoke opposing players into fights (for the purpose of penalties), instruct their defensive players to act hurt, and now I guess they mess with the scoreboard in an effort to gain any advantage.

    Is it the end of the world? Heck no. It’s like holding on the offensive line. Sometimes you get caught and sometimes you don’t, but it is often the most effective method of blocking. Denying it is what makes the Pats look like little schmucks. Man up and own it.

  102. nesuperfan says: Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM

    chmba says:Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    DUh…we have a coach and a team with a history of cheating!! Why shouldn’t cheating be a distinct possibility???
    __________________________________

    Because even if they did do it, even then, it would not be cheating. Since when is the scoreboard official for anything? Oh, it’s not.

    My guess is that you were concussed once too often, and not while playing football…your mother dropped you a few too many times.

  103. so1ar says: Jan 25, 2012 2:16 PM

    The blame game. Lol

  104. auroraborealisfan says: Jan 25, 2012 2:24 PM

    I believe that the large orange markers were wrong at a Vikings game this year so obviously that system is not infallible either. At post season games, the league should be in charge of the score board – not the home team.

  105. redsghost says: Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM

    “chmba says:Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    DUh…we have a coach and a team with a history of cheating!! Why shouldn’t cheating be a distinct possibility???”

    History of cheating??? What cheating? Are you talking about the photographer who was a few feet out of place a few years back? That cheating? Huh, I call that ONE incident an ERROR. Please look up the difference between cheating (intentional) and an error (not intentional).
    If I had a dollar for every idiot (yes, you) who believes what they read without investigation…..

  106. kevpft says: Jan 25, 2012 3:03 PM

    The good thing about Brown’s statement is that it helps shift the spotlight onto him, which is where it should be. A lot of things should have gone differently in those final moments, but the coaches are the leaders of the team, and what went wrong was a failure of leadership.

    Most of the press has been about specific players screwing up specific plays, but EVERY one of those plays could have been avoided with better coaching in advance. Both Harbaughs put their teams in vulnerable positions needlessly.

    And I say this as someone who thinks both Harbaughs are doing a fantastic job. They both did a huge amount of good work that put their teams in a position to go to the Super Bowl. But if they and their staffs make different decisions in just a few key moments – including the William and Cundiff moments – they’re both in the Super Bowl.

    I know the question of responsibility is an open one, but that’s my take.

  107. snowpea84 says: Jan 25, 2012 3:07 PM

    Maybe they should apologize to their fans for having Cundiff as a kicker. He’s been mediocre his whole career. he has never been a sure thing. I was insiting to friends the whole time leading up to the kick that Cundiff could not bre relied on and this kick should not be treated as automatic. They reacted like “sure, ok, whatever you say.” Until he missed.
    The point there is not that “I predicted it!!!Whoo” The point is, anyone who has paid attention to his career knows not to rely on him.

    Good kickers can be had i rounds 3-5 with a pretty good success rate.

  108. jwh8541 says: Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM

    Funny how the cheatin Pats are always involved in stuff like this. Snow plows, video cams now scoreboard.

    Garbage team, garbage coach hope the Gints knock Brady out.

  109. quittsburghstoolers says: Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM

    The funny part is that even though it has been confirmed that the home team (and not the NFL) controls the scoreboard, you will still have some Patsy fans claiming this “error” wasn’t done on purpose.

    So much for the old adage “Cheaters never prosper”.

    Enjoy another tainted title, if they “win” it all again, that is…

  110. marima07 says: Jan 25, 2012 3:37 PM

    The video mistake was fixed by 4th down and there is a picture of the scoreboard to prove it.

  111. quittsburghstoolers says: Jan 25, 2012 3:47 PM

    kya_tropic_fan says:Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    nxsteven says:
    Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM
    Also, did Kraft or Belichick ever apologize? Belichick said he was going to, never did.
    _____________________

    As far as “Scoreboardgate”, I think it gave New England an advantage equal to the advantage gained from filming signals, in other words, it didnt make a difference

    ———————————————————-

    If videotaping the opponents like that “has no advantages” and “makes no difference” then why were they doing it? Testing out some new video equipment, perhaps?

    The fact is they did get an unfair advantage from it and that’s why they were punished for it.

    Pats fans need to own up to their team’s shady conduct and quit making excuses and downplaying all the things their team does wrong…

  112. chunkyloverfiftythree says: Jan 25, 2012 3:49 PM

    I don’t know why people can write things on here calling other readers idiots, but whenever I write something that criticizes the writing, it is blocked. I will try again though. These articles on the Kicking Consultant are terrible. The headlines bait the reader into thinking the coach was blaming the missed field goal on the Patriots. Thus, there are a couple of hundred comments on “sour grapes” because people don’t actually read the actual content, only the flighty opinion driven TMZ style of “journalism” commonly used on this sight, that follows the actual content. He does not blame the Patriots for the missed field goal. He does however poke fun at the Patriot’s dubious history. Suggesting that the coach is out of line for expecting competent Scoreboard operators is ridiculous. The journalism on this site is awful.

  113. patriotinvasion says: Jan 25, 2012 4:32 PM

    LOL. This is beyond hilarious. The “haven’t won anything since spygate” crowd is crumbling by the day. 68-19 since 2007, 2 AFC Championships, 2nd Super Bowl in 5 years. Keep hatin’ little babies, and we’ll just keep crushing your dreams! ALL DAY!

  114. kya_tropic_fan says: Jan 25, 2012 4:50 PM

    Ok “quitsburghstoolers”, you are nominated for proving all of us “wrong”. I have been trying to get this answer for 4 years. I will lay the ground work for you, and you can let me know how it helped them.
    1) It wasnt illegal to film the opponents signals

    2) The person filming was in the wrong spot.
    *I will clarify number 2: If the person with the camera was in an approved location, all of the images on the tape were not illegal, if they were not illegal, then where was the advantage

    3) There are 3 or more coaches giving signals, basically, I could tell you what my signs were, and you still have to know which coach is giving the “real” signal, no camera on the planet can tell you that

    4) There is a 40 second play clock. And there is no communication between QB/coaches through the head set beyond the 15 seconds remaining mark. So that means the Pats had 25 seconds to film the signals, figure out which of the coaches displayed the real signal, run over to the offensive coaches (35 yards away) and decipher what the play was, then call thei signals in to Tom Brady, then Brady huddles up and calls the play, and the guy with the camera now has to run back to his spot in order to start the sequence again…

    With all of that being said, and keeping in mind it wasnt what was on the tape that broke the rules, it was the location of the camera that broke the rules, how did they cheat? In America, it isnt guilty until proven innocent. The Pats dont have to prove that they didnt gain an advantage, you have to prove how they did gain an advantage. I am realistic, if they gained an advantage I will tell you straight up they gained an advantage, or cheated as you say. But until someone can prove what they gained, the argument against them holds no weight.

    Here are some arguments that dont count: “They obviously gained an advantage, or they wouldnt have been penalized”. “The advantage that they gained must have been huge because of the enormity of the fines”. Use your own brain, think about what happened, and come up with your own conclusion, dont just take the cop out/easy road and say, well they were penalized so they cheated. Explain how they cheated, explain the advantage gained. I am very interested in what those gains were, I’m not just saying that, I REALLY want to know. I am yet to figure it out for myself, and no one has ever been able to explain it to me, most people just take the easy road and say they are guilty until proven innocent. They are guilty of breaking the rules, but simply breaking a rule isnt cheating. Rules are broken on every play, doesnt mean players cheat on every play….

    Cant wait for your response, this should be epic.

  115. llcamino says: Jan 25, 2012 5:07 PM

    If this is cheating then why hasn’t the league punished the Eagles for far worse? For years they’ve used their jumbotron to their advantage with field goals. Watch closely and you’ll see that for their FG attempts the screen is black with a white stationary Eagkes logo. When an opposing team kicks a FG at “The Linc” the screen is showing distracting live action as a backdrop to the uprights.

  116. castleanthrax says: Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM

    You forgot to mention in the article however that Aiello also states the Game Clock is controlled by the league and the down markers were correct…on top of all that the Ravens could’ve used their time out if they weren’t sure.

    More Sour Grapes from the Ravens org as well. You played a hell of a game and your kicker chocked as bad as Buckner, deal with it, we have in Boston for years with crap like that happening.

  117. redsghost says: Jan 25, 2012 5:30 PM

    Couldn’t have said it better myself Kya! Thanx.
    And to follow up, isn’t a 15 yard penalty punishment for “cheating”, afterall they broke a rule, made a mistake and were punished. So, anyone offsides is cheating? Neutral zone infraction- cheating cause they broke a rule? Also, to the moron you were replying to- SHOW ME where Belichick said he was going to apologize! Good luck on that considering he never said no such thing.

  118. kya_tropic_fan says: Jan 26, 2012 8:30 AM

    Based on all of the well thought out and convincing responses, I suppose it will be another year before someone can figure out what they gained, rather than the old reliable “I just know they cheated” response…

  119. quittsburghstoolers says: Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM

    @ kya_tropic_fan:

    ———————————————————-

    Your team has a history of “bending” the rules.

    The famous snowplow incident (I know, that was before Belicheat’s time but still part of team history), the mugging of the Colt WRs during the playoffs (on Belichimp’s orders) because “the refs aren’t gonna call pass interference in big games, since they don’t wanna be a big factor in the outcome so let’s commit pass interference for an unfair advantage”, the whole Spygate mess, and this latest thing with the scoreboard.

    And those are the shady things that are KNOWN about. I wonder how much other underhanded crap they pulled but didn’t get caught doing?

  120. redsghost says: Jan 27, 2012 4:06 PM

    Looks like Kya Tropic fan called it right!!
    quittsburghstoolers couldn’t substantiate his claims of cheating. You DO know that at the time snowplows weren’t specifically “banned”. Due to that episode, they changed the rule. So, your’re relying upon pass interference to justify the Patriots “cheating”. So, no other teams commit pass interference and therefore cheated? How about the NY Giants in the 2007 SB- you didn’t see a bunch of mauling from the Giants? Were they cheating as well against the Patriots?
    Again, what whole Spygate mess? Cheating because the photographer erred in his placement of a camera?
    As for “I wonder how much other underhanded crap they pulled but didn’t get caught doing?”
    Probably the same things the OTHER 31 teams are doing.
    Your envy is certainly showing through!

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