When Peyton got hurt, the team went 2-14 and these so called elite receivers that Peyton has did nothing. Could it be that Peyton makes everyone around him look good?

Dude, have you ever watched Montana? The guy is big-time, no doubt, but the one thing that I always noticed is HOW ATHLETIC HIS RECEIVERS WERE.

Those guys made great catches for him. He knew how to lead his team and he made the right reads on the field, but his receivers made those plays.

Marvin Harrison used to run straight and hold his arms out in front of his body and let the ball fall directly into his hands.

Take note of the receiver on the next sideline route you see. 90% of the time, they make a slight adjustment on their route to catch the ball and either slow down, jump, or cut inward. Manning’s receivers almost never broke stride to catch the ball. 90% of the time, if they were on route, it was a catch.

Ever wonder why New England used to always beat the Colts? Look at Ty Law holding Marvin Harrison in those classic games . Harrison was not like Calvin Johnson–he wasn’t going to out jump you or out-physical you at the line. The thing that made Harrison good is that he was a good route-runner. If he’s off of his route, the precision passing game is no more.

No body does it like Manning.

Even GREATER post; but you will never convince the obnoxious New England idiots of this. They just can’t deal with anything that is better than what they have. The most insecure, self-centered, loudmouthed bunch of losers-in-life on the planet.

Joe stands alone and always will.

The rings don’t lie. Four Super Bowls. Four wins. Three Super Bowl MVPs.

Peyton couldn’t carry Joe’s jock.

I know no one will agree, but when it comes to defining a QB’s greatness, success in the playoffs and Super Bowl rings are, in reality, overrated.

They matter, no question, but there are other things that matter more.

The way I look at it, winning and losing in the playoffs is a fluke. It’s a single elimination tournament in which one bad break that’s totally out of a single player’s control may send you home. In fact, Peyton might not even have one ring if in the 2007 championship game an Addai fumble didn’t bounce into Jeff Saturday’s arms. Would that have changed Peyton’s legacy? I know that one ring changes perception, but does it really change the reality?

What I’m in awe of is how he got his team to the playoffs 9 straight years. That’s an even more amazing accomplishment that two or three rings. The fact is, winning enough games year in year out is much harder and says much more about greatness than winning three or four straight every so often in the playoffs.

But even if you think the playoffs are all that matter, think about this: how many of his regular season games were do or die? How many games did Peyton play in week 16 or 17 that he had to win, and how did he play in them? Aren’t they really playoff games too? I don’t know for sure, but I’d imagine he’s far and away better than everyone else in those situations, simply because he did, in fact, get his team to the playoffs all those years.

I love how many Gmen and fans are already counting this as a win.

I’m giddy at the thought of this game.

jicjak says: Jan 31, 2012 2:19 PM

Silliness. Brady gets his fourth ring come Sunday, and probably a fifth before he packs it in. The best the NFL has ever seen.
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@rushmatic:
clearly NO pats fans are counting this game as a win…why can’t you understand the concept that fans of both teams believe that their teams can win 1 more game?

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PATS FAN OWNED

Great job, blargh9.

Note to Eli: your teammates have been blabbing all week, you don’t have to give the Best QB of all time any extra motivation this week. Shut your yap.

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Both Brady and Manning aren’t above Montana. Despite the weak ass protestation of you TB nutlickers.

Peyton Manning is a great, great QB, and he’s in the discussion. Pointing out these facts doesn’t detract from that. If anything, he simply has had the misfortune of playing during a time that one of the greatest QB’s of all time was matched with one of the greatest coaches of all time. If the Patriots can beat the Giants on Sunday, the argument should finally be put to rest – Brady will have 4 rings to equal Montana and Bradshaw, and will stand alone as the only QB to ever start 5 Super Bowls. He will have done it with an inferior defense, and will be a circus fluke catch away from having 5 titles and a perfect season. And he’s not done yet.

Manning’s receivers generally closed their eyes and let the ball fall into their hands.

Granted Manning played in an easier era than did Marino or Montana (although, 2011 was the easiest year EVER for QBs, and Manning missed that year), but I have yet to see a QB who was more precise and more knowledgeable about what the defense was doing.

This is coming from a guy who did a corruption analysis of the NFL, which required a review of much of the game film since the 1958 Championship game.

Manning did it the best.
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No offense to Manning who I consider as one of the greatest, but to make dumb statements that his receivers made all the catches for him (montana) you’ve never seen him play.
The guy routinely put the ball where rice and other could catch and run. He led the receivers very well. Besides, Montana did win before Rice arrived, thank you very much. None of his other receivers made HOF.

To say that Montana made Rice, or Rice made Montana is just pure juvenile stuff. Both made each other.
If your favorite QB did not have that opportunity then so be it. He can be great without them (e.g Elway)

“Joe Montana…UNDEFEATED in FOUR Super Bowls.”
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So was Terry Bradshaw, only he did it first.
Just sayin’.
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As great as Bradshaw was no one will put him in the same class as Montana. The guy has no peers in excellence in the big game (ridiculous 127 rating in superbowls).
Pretty much any lists of greatest QBs usually starts with Montana and Unitas in the first or second position.
Even if Brady wins another one, does not catapult him ahead of these guys.

But why does anyone have to be the greatest. I don’t think it’s really clear cut in any position except WR (where Rice is the greatest).
I think Pats/non-Pats fans can be happy calling Brady as one of the greatest.

Manning’s receivers generally closed their eyes and let the ball fall into their hands.

Granted Manning played in an easier era than did Marino or Montana (although, 2011 was the easiest year EVER for QBs, and Manning missed that year), but I have yet to see a QB who was more precise and more knowledgeable about what the defense was doing.

This is coming from a guy who did a corruption analysis of the NFL, which required a review of much of the game film since the 1958 Championship game.

Manning did it the best.

Brady has played on better TEAMS than Peyton. Bradshaw and Montana played on better TEAMS than Peyton.

However, when you factor in INDIVIDUAL play…no better has done it better than Peyton. he will retire as a top 3-5 best QB of all time. Brady, Rothlisberger, Brees, Rivers nor any of the current “elite” QB’s in today’s game come close to Peyton. Peyton is an ALL-time great. Not a current great. Big difference.

I love how many Gmen and fans are already counting this as a win.

I’m giddy at the thought of this game.

jicjak says: Jan 31, 2012 2:19 PM

Silliness. Brady gets his fourth ring come Sunday, and probably a fifth before he packs it in. The best the NFL has ever seen.
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@rushmatic:
clearly NO pats fans are counting this game as a win…why can’t you understand the concept that fans of both teams believe that their teams can win 1 more game?

Outside of New England, the vast majority of NFL insiders–coaches, scouts, GMs, and players–have said that Peyton, when he’s healthy, is head and shoulders above everyone else.