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Offensive line is big question mark for Giants

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This Giants team is getting credit this week for being a better team top-to-bottom than their last title squad.

That may be true, but there’s an area where the Giants are far weaker: Their offensive line. They haven’t played particularly well all season, which makes Eli Manning’s season even more remarkable.

Even offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride admits the group has issues.

“It’s been a . . . process,” Gilbride said, searching for the right words. “It’s been a transitional process. We lost two our two starters that were kind of the heart and sou of our team in Richie Seubert and Shaun O’Hara. We lost William Beatty, our starting left tackle. We’ve been shuffling guys around, trying to get (center) David Baas up to speed.  We haven’t been together as long.  Baas has been a missed a bunch of games.  It’s been a growth process, there’s no question.”

The Giants defensive line has received a lot of attention this week, and rightfully so. But the Patriots defensive line has been playing its best football of late and could dominate the line of scrimmage.

If you are a looking for a reason the Patriots can win, look no further.

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36 Responses to “Offensive line is big question mark for Giants”
  1. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Jan 31, 2012 2:59 PM

    Patriots line playing its best football of late? I guess no one saw Nate Solder get owned in the AFC Championship game by Suggs huh? Seriously, does anyone actually watch the games?

  2. whatnojets says: Jan 31, 2012 3:00 PM

    Well, that may be true that the Giants have a weak offensive line BUT on the other hand, the Pats have a horrible defensive line! Kinda evens it out, doesn’t it?!?

  3. east96st says: Jan 31, 2012 3:01 PM

    Baas is a complete bust. If there’s one guy who can lose the Super Bowl for the Giants, it’s him. The O line actually plays and does better when he’s out. Giants need to acknowledge they made a costly mistake. They got Cruz practically for free. So, even though they grossly overspent on Baas, money and salary wise, it’s a wash thanks to Cruz turning into an All Pro. Move on and get a center that can do something besides getting knocked onto his ass. The guy just doesn’t have the tools to compete in the big games against the top D linemen.

  4. wte1 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM

    I’m not “looking” for a reason the Patriots will win. I know they will win.

    Belichick learned his lessons from Super Bowl XLII and won’t repeat any of the same mistakes.

  5. jpthepatsfan says: Jan 31, 2012 3:05 PM

    Good luck trying to block Vince Wilfork

  6. Lev says: Jan 31, 2012 3:08 PM

    Their game plan should have two words: Contain Wilfork

  7. Davo says: Jan 31, 2012 3:08 PM

    You lost them? What do you mean you “lost” them, Kevin? They’re both 6’3” and over 300lbs, how the hell do you “lose” two NFL linemen?

    I mean, did you check everywhere? Behind the couch? Under the desk?

    Oh wait, do you mean you CUT them?

  8. zimaman says: Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM

    forget about all the jibber jabbering

    this game is all about one thing and one thing only and that is if the G-men can pressure the pocket

    if Tom Brady drops back to pass and you can count to 4 and he can step up in the pocket and throw it on a consistent basis

    the game is over and the Patriots win

    If the Giants pressure Brady consistently and get 4 sacks or more this game is over and the Giants win

  9. senetor24 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM

    Eli has done a great job avoiding pressure and sliding in the pocket all year. He will need to do this again Sunday. Last week was a pitiful effort from this group. The 9ers should have had about 10 sacks last week. Brady is no slouch when it comes to being shifty in the pocket. I think whomever establishes the run early will win this game. It will open up the passing game and keep the pass rushers from pinning their ears back.

  10. gibson67us says: Jan 31, 2012 3:21 PM

    But Pats will not be able to stop Eli. If 49ers couldn’t do it, neither can Pats. Therefore, Giants win

  11. hedleykow says: Jan 31, 2012 3:22 PM

    Jets
    Cowboys
    Falcons
    Packers
    49ers

    Patriots? The Giants offenive line must be terrified at the thought! LMAO

  12. bosfaninva says: Jan 31, 2012 3:27 PM

    “I guess no one saw Nate Solder get owned in the AFC Championship game by Suggs huh?”

    How many sacks did Suggs get? Tackles for losses? We’ll wait.

  13. pacificnw7722 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:32 PM

    Do you really think Eli is going to hang on to the football forever and get crushed into pieces?

    C’mon Man!

  14. jbcommonsense says: Jan 31, 2012 3:33 PM

    The battles between the OLs and the DLs of these two teams will be the key factor determining the outcome of this game.

  15. gcsuk says: Jan 31, 2012 3:34 PM

    wte1 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM

    I’m not “looking” for a reason the Patriots will win. I know they will win.

    Belichick learned his lessons from Super Bowl XLII and won’t repeat any of the same mistakes.
    ———————————————————————

    2 Things:
    Bill Belichek is not going to be playing this weekend.

    These are basically 2 different teams than those that met 4 years ago. Completely different strengths and weaknesses on BOTH teams.

    And talk about Giants fans being arrogant and trash-talking. Just as much coming from the Patriots fans.

  16. youdownwithjpp says: Jan 31, 2012 3:40 PM

    wte1 says:
    Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM
    I’m not “looking” for a reason the Patriots will win. I know they will win.

    Belichick learned his lessons from Super Bowl XLII and won’t repeat any of the same mistakes.
    ———————————————-

    SB42 was 4 years ago, so he learned how to beat a roster that is non-existent; congrats.

    And if he “learned” his lesson why didn’t he implement it in November when they played.

    Oh wait I know, Belichick is a genius and knew they would be playing the Giants in SB 46 so he decided to hold back his scheme until now, is that right…

  17. kisstherings says: Jan 31, 2012 3:40 PM

    @twitter:Chapman_Jamie says:Jan 31, 2012 2:59 PM

    Patriots line playing its best football of late? I guess no one saw Nate Solder get owned in the AFC Championship game by Suggs huh? Seriously, does anyone actually watch the games?
    ——————————————————-

    LOL What game were you watching Moron?

    Suggs Stat line in the AFC Championship game: 2 tackles, o sacks, 0 int, 0 forced fumble.

    He spent more time on the ground than he did the backfield.

    If that is what you call getting ‘owned’ the Pats are in great shape.

    Why don’t you take your GIANT rose colored glasses off and watch the game again before you run that mouth dude.

  18. jefferee101 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:42 PM

    That simple, huh, Zimaman? So if NY gets 4 sacks but throws 4 pick 6′s, they will still win, huh? Well, I’m glad that’s settled, then. No need for me to watch the game. I just need to check the stats afterwards. Thanks, bro.

  19. kappy32 says: Jan 31, 2012 3:43 PM

    Big Giants fan here, and a key matchup this game is going to be Wilfork against Baas. Baas, the Giants’ biggest offseason acquisition, has been a terrible disappointment this year for the Giants. He has been injured far too often & when he has played, he has been slow off the snap and beat by guys he was allegedly superior to. Having a nose guard lined up over him is going to be interesting this game. As for Wilfork, he needs to stay on the field & show his improved conditioning from the second half. He was getting winded far too easily this season, mostly through the first 10 weeks, and left a huge hole when he would he fored to sit out several plays at a time. Wilfork has wreaked havoc in the post season thus far & in my opinion, has been the main reason for the Pats’ defensive turnaround. Nevertheless, he needs to maintain his high level of play, stuffing the run in the backfield, requiring double teams, so the ends & Minkovich can rush Eli when he drops back. Eli is amazing passing in the face of pressure, but if the Pats can knock him around like the 49ers did, they will have a significant advantage in the game. I like the other matchups up front for the Giants so long as Wilfork doesn’t require double and triple teams.

  20. ihatestupidpeople says: Jan 31, 2012 3:51 PM

    I don’t usually chime in on grammar but with all the recent success of PFT, maybe Peter King could help out?
    “We lost two our two starters that…”
    “Baas has been a missed a bunch of games.”

  21. zaggs says: Jan 31, 2012 3:51 PM

    They were good enough to hold New England sackless (and had 100+ yards rushing) in week 9, and they were missing their starting center that week along with their fullback.

  22. jerseyshoregiant says: Jan 31, 2012 3:52 PM

    east96st says:
    Jan 31, 2012 3:01 PM
    Baas is a complete bust. If there’s one guy who can lose the Super Bowl for the Giants, it’s him. The O line actually plays and does better when he’s out. Giants need to acknowledge they made a costly mistake. They got Cruz practically for free. So, even though they grossly overspent on Baas, money and salary wise, it’s a wash thanks to Cruz turning into an All Pro. Move on and get a center that can do something besides getting knocked onto his ass. The guy just doesn’t have the tools to compete in the big games against the top D linemen.
    ———————————————–

    Baas cannot play the run with a crud!!!! Boothe has done a heckuva job filling in even though he isn’t a center but the run game actually churned out a few yards when Booth was a center and Petrus was at guard.

  23. n0hopeleft says: Jan 31, 2012 3:52 PM

    We just went through the toughest defense in the NFL, with the best turnover ratio, and studs all over the defensive line.

    Eli got the crap knocked out of him, and made the throws to win (against a WAY better secondary than NE). So please explain to me why any Giants player or fan should be scared about the point of this story?!?!?!?

  24. jdandcoke says: Jan 31, 2012 3:52 PM

    the giants o-line isnt good…..and yet they still allowed less sacks than the pats o-line did.

  25. elifan4life says: Jan 31, 2012 3:54 PM

    If Eli survived the best defense left in the playoffs last week I don’t see why he wouldn’t thrive playing against the 31st ranked defense in football. I believe in Eli..

  26. irongershwin says: Jan 31, 2012 4:00 PM

    I hate when people are like the real key is who will do “X” better. Like run, catch, or play defense. Really I never knew that.

  27. bleedgreen says: Jan 31, 2012 4:03 PM

    twitter:Chapman_Jamie says:
    Jan 31, 2012 2:59 PM
    Patriots line playing its best football of late? I guess no one saw Nate Solder get owned in the AFC Championship game by Suggs huh? Seriously, does anyone actually watch the games?
    ———————————————

    Since when does Nate Solder play on the DEFENSIVE line? Check the wording again, there chief.

  28. michael228 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:12 PM

    twitter:Chapman_Jamie says:
    Jan 31, 2012 2:59 PM
    Patriots line playing its best football of late? I guess no one saw Nate Solder get owned in the AFC Championship game by Suggs huh? Seriously, does anyone actually watch the games?

    ————————————————–
    nate solder is on the OFFENSIVE line, he’s talking about the defensive line you dolt.
    seriously, does anyone actually read these articles?

  29. 49erstim says: Jan 31, 2012 4:14 PM

    @Davo….. lol. well played Sir.

    I hate to agree with Giants fans on this point, but that Patriots pass rush isnt scaring anybody. Are you kidding me? Yeah the 49ERS got plenty of pressure on him. That D-Line and pass rush are probably the best the G-Men have played all year. Their pass coverage wasnt, but the Pats corners are hardly what we’d call better.

    I think this is another opportunity to reach for a story. Are the Pats playing better…. sure they are. Do I wanna bet against Brady? No I dont. Neither do I wanna bet against Eli. If I HAD to pick a place that could be the difference in this game it would be the running game. I’d take Bradshaw over “The Law Firm” any day of the week, however the Pats arent exactly a running team…. This oughta be a great game. I think it may go into OT…..

  30. sschmiggles says: Jan 31, 2012 4:23 PM

    zaggs says:
    Jan 31, 2012 3:51 PM
    They were good enough to hold New England sackless (and had 100+ yards rushing) in week 9, and they were missing their starting center that week along with their fullback.
    _______________________

    They didn’t get sack, but they had something like 19 QB pressures and 11 hits. Probably why the game was 0-0 at the half and Eli completed <60% of his passes.

    But hey, Pats d-line sucks.

  31. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:31 PM

    east96st says:
    Jan 31, 2012 3:01 PM
    Baas is a complete bust. If there’s one guy who can lose the Super Bowl for the Giants, it’s him. The O line actually plays and does better when he’s out. Giants need to acknowledge they made a costly mistake. They got Cruz practically for free. So, even though they grossly overspent on Baas, money and salary wise, it’s a wash thanks to Cruz turning into an All Pro. Move on and get a center that can do something besides getting knocked onto his ass. The guy just doesn’t have the tools to compete in the big games against the top D linemen.

    ———–

    I second this. He’s DECENT in pass blocking sometimes, but he’s AWFUL at run blocking.

    I saw him get blown up far too many times on bull rushes in the pass game.

    Boothe and Petrus were better by leaps and bounds when they were in there. I dunno why Tom sticks with Baas so much. Boothe is more physical, quicker in space and smarter as well, being a Cornell guy.

    But as far as the line as a whole? This particular post is an overstatement. The line has been very good in pass protection all year. Eli has been sacked more because he’s holding onto the ball longer than ever before.

    The run game got better because of Boothe and Petrus, or at least having Boothe in at LG to offset the whiffed blocks by Baas. But Baas is DEFINITELY a bust. Hopefully he doesn’t have a contract for next year.

  32. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:33 PM

    Aaron Smith is better than Wilfork. And unlike SF, you don’t have anyone else in the front seven that we have to be worried about. Knock it off. Baas won’t even be in there all game and Boothe certainly helped neutralize Wilfork last time.

  33. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:35 PM

    zimaman says:
    Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM
    forget about all the jibber jabbering

    this game is all about one thing and one thing only and that is if the G-men can pressure the pocket

    if Tom Brady drops back to pass and you can count to 4 and he can step up in the pocket and throw it on a consistent basis

    the game is over and the Patriots win

    If the Giants pressure Brady consistently and get 4 sacks or more this game is over and the Giants win

    ————

    Even if they don’t get tons of sacks or pressure him all game, you aren’t going to win by passing the ball. Different defense than the previous three matchups vs. NE.

  34. cubsisles72 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:42 PM

    Last time I checked Solder played O line

  35. rc33 says: Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM

    If the Pats O.L doesn’t show up…and show up in a big way…they’re done. At minimum, they must hold their own and get as much as they give against the Giants D.L.
    A career-defining game for Mankins & Light; the lone holdovers from the debacle 4 years ago. Hope they have some pride and play with a serious attitude. Just by showing up on Sunday, Brian Waters will be better than Stephen Neal was that day.
    On the other side, the Giants O.L. scares absolutely no one. And I know N.E.’s D.L is playing better than it has all season.
    Patriots have to get the better of these battles if they’re going to win.

  36. bigmike72 says: Feb 1, 2012 2:17 AM

    really,really N.Y. fans just get over it that a “under rated ,slow guy from Michigan is way better than ANY Manning will be or EVER BE.

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