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Rams, St. Louis start trading stadium proposals

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The potential-divorce square dance between the Rams and St. Louis will intensify today, as the Convention and Visitors Commission prepares to make a proposal to the team regarding an extension of the lease that the team can escape after the 2014 season, if the venue isn’t among the top 25 percent in the league.

According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the CVC will make a proposal today, which happens to be the deadline for doing so.  The Rams may accept or reject by March 1.  If they pass, the Rams have until May 1 to make counter offer.  If an agreement isn’t struck by June 15, the issue would be submitted, per the Post-Dispatch, to arbitration.

But the arbitration apparently wouldn’t be binding, since the absence of an agreement between the two sides would permit relocation after March 1, 2015.

These various deadlines make it a foregone conclusion that the stadium won’t be among the top fourth of the entire NFL by 2014.  The question is whether the Rams and St. Louis can work something out.

In this regard, the Rams haven’t tipped their hand.  And by keeping all options (including L.A. and London) open, the Rams could end up with a sweeter-than-sweetheart deal to stay in St. Louis.  Or an equally sweet deal to move.

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  1. shackdelrio says: Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM

    I wonder how different the situation might be if Shad Khan had bought the Rams.

    Oh well. We’ll take him and his 100 million yacht in Jacksonville.

  2. dmartin17 says: Feb 1, 2012 12:48 PM

    Here’s an idea: Have the Rams pay for a new stadium. No more public money for these things. It’s a waste.

  3. whatnojets says: Feb 1, 2012 12:51 PM

    Good…..move to London!! I’m sure that Her majisty will be very pleased to have more foreigners invading Her country!

  4. purplengold says: Feb 1, 2012 1:08 PM

    The Rams are what makes it a foregone conclusion that the stadium won’t be among the top fourth in revenue in the NFL by 2014. They are near the bottom now.

  5. dolphin80 says: Feb 1, 2012 1:08 PM

    Am I missing something? Wasn’t this stadium built in 1995? Is it supposed to be a dump or something? When did we start building throw away stadiums that only last 16 years? If I build something that costs 500 million, I’d expect to get SOME life out of it. Geeze.

  6. mnfan1 says: Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM

    How old is the stadium they play in?? Can’t be more then 16 years. How can it be that bad to play in.

  7. thatobnoxiousguy says: Feb 1, 2012 1:18 PM

    shackdelrio says:
    Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM
    I wonder how different the situation might be if Shad Khan had bought the Rams.

    Oh well. We’ll take him and his 100 million yacht in Jacksonville.

    **************************************

    You can have him. HAHAHA

    You really think Khan is going to stick around and and break even or lose money every year? You believe he is really going to keep a team where in the lowest season ticket base market?

    I have a Unicorn i will sell you

  8. thatobnoxiousguy says: Feb 1, 2012 1:20 PM

    dmartin17 says:
    Feb 1, 2012 12:48 PM
    Here’s an idea: Have the Rams pay for a new stadium. No more public money for these things. It’s a waste.

    ***************************************

    Why would the rams pay for a new stadium themselves when a REAL big league city will build one for them.

    Buh bye, St. Louie

  9. beavertonsteve says: Feb 1, 2012 1:20 PM

    If the city of St Louis tells the Kroenke to use his own money to build a stadium the Rams are gone.

    The likely scenario goes like this:

    1) CDC offer to renovate stadium will not come close to making EJ Dome a top tier stadium

    2) Kroenke counters with $750 mil in renovations or new stadium.

    3) Dispute goes to arbitration in which a final solution costing upwards of $500 mil is ordered

    4) Season ticket sales and attendance plunge as fans become bitter about possibilty of team leaving

    5) Voters reject tax increases to finance improvements. Kroenke announces team will be looking at new locations.

    6) Kroenke buys out dome lease after 2013 season since nobody is happy at this point. St Louis won’t root for Rams, Rams would rather be elsewhere.

    7) Rams end moving to suburban St Louis, Los Angeles, London or some other place that is willing to pony up some land and a new stadium deal.

  10. AlanSaysYo says: Feb 1, 2012 1:22 PM

    One of you media types needs to start hitting up the Rams or the city for the definition of “bottom 25 percent of stadiums in the league.” I can’t recall a more vague term being indiscriminately thrown around. Everyone is reporting that phrase, but no one is trying to find out what it means.

  11. mizzouram says: Feb 1, 2012 1:23 PM

    Give Stan what he wants to keep the team in the Dome.

  12. jwlemarine says: Feb 1, 2012 1:23 PM

    Bring the Rams to OKC!

  13. Soulman45 says: Feb 1, 2012 1:28 PM

    Welcome back to LA why was you gone so long.

  14. jwlemarine says: Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM

    Bring the Rams to OKC at least they would be appreciated!!

  15. vols84 says: Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM

    The TWA Dome is like playing in a garage. Its so very sad that Missouri High School Football championships are subjected to playing in that dump.

  16. thatobnoxiousguy says: Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM

    Lets see………

    St. Louis or Los Angeles????

    Hmmmmmm

    I wonder which one Stan will choose

  17. lafan101 says: Feb 1, 2012 1:40 PM

    Stan Kroenke is a smart businessman. He knows moving the Rams back to L.A. will make his team one of the most valuable in the NFL. If he buys the Dodgers he can build a stadium at Chavez Ravine. The Rams will come back home soon.

  18. realitypolice says: Feb 1, 2012 1:57 PM

    lafan101 says:
    Feb 1, 2012 1:40 PM
    Stan Kroenke is a smart businessman. He knows moving the Rams back to L.A. will make his team one of the most valuable in the NFL. If he buys the Dodgers he can build a stadium at Chavez Ravine. The Rams will come back home soon.
    ============================

    I agree with everything but the last part. I really believe that downtown site by the Staples center will eventually be a reality.

  19. realitypolice says: Feb 1, 2012 2:08 PM

    I don’t mean to pick on Rams or Jags fans, I am very sympathetic to their plights.

    But you’ve got to open your eyes. To believe that Kroenke and Kahn don’t have their eyes on LA is to believe that these self made billionaires are bad businessmen.

    Because only a bad businessman would stash as significant an asset as an NFL football team in a place where he can’t maximize it’s value.

    And it’s completely irrelevant whether you sell out your stadium or not. The stadiums are not set up to maximize income through luxury suites.

    I don’t have the figures in front of me but I would be willing to bet that Jerry World in Dallas generates more income in one game than EverBank Field does in four.

    Not to mention the fact that having franchises in LA allows the league to maximize television revenue.

    If you made a list of pros and cons for either of these owners for staying versus leaving, everything on the “pro” list for staying would be emotional and everything on the “pro” list for leaving would be business.

    And these guys aren’t social workers.

  20. roamingabriel says: Feb 1, 2012 2:19 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Feb 1, 2012 1:57 PM
    lafan101 says:
    Feb 1, 2012 1:40 PM
    Stan Kroenke is a smart businessman. He knows moving the Rams back to L.A. will make his team one of the most valuable in the NFL. If he buys the Dodgers he can build a stadium at Chavez Ravine. The Rams will come back home soon.
    ============================

    I agree with everything but the last part. I really believe that downtown site by the Staples center will eventually be a reality.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I hope you’re right. And I think you are. Having the stadium on the west side of town will be much better, I believe. It’s going to be a gold mine when it happens…

  21. 4t9er says: Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM

    People in St.Louis are realizing now that Shahd Khan would have been a safer owner than Kroenke. Khan doesn’t have the clout (or the money) to move the Rams (or the Jaguars) into LA, he would’ve most likely stayed closer to his manufacturing base in the midwest.

  22. lafan101 says: Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Feb 1, 2012 1:57 PM

    I agree with everything but the last part. I really believe that downtown site by the Staples center will eventually be a reality

    ==================================

    Well AEG is almost done with the EIR, but it’s no secret the NFL has always loved Chavez Ravine for a football stadium in L.A. They met with Frank McCourt about that possibility in 2005 before he put the team in bankruptcy. This is all speculation if Stan Kroenke buys the Dodgers. If he doesn’t get the Dodgers I agree that I can still see Stan moving the Rams back and playing at Farmers Field next to Staples Center.

  23. delpiero1980 says: Feb 1, 2012 2:40 PM

    Imagine what the California teams must be thinking of the Rams. The Cali teams have had their stadiums since the 60s and this idiots want a new stadium with the current one under 20 years old??
    Is that reasonable?

  24. thatobnoxiousguy says: Feb 1, 2012 2:44 PM

    You can take it to the bank.
    If Kroenke gets the Dodgers, then a stadium will be constructed right beside Dodgers Stadium.

  25. hanspard says: Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM

    I live near STL, and everyone hear knows that this town is all Cardinals and Blues, all the time. You’ll hear more fond memories of the football Cardinals than you will the Rams. The Rams have NEVER been a part of the city, they just happen to play football here.

  26. AlohaMrHand says: Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM

    Kronke is pulling a clay Bennett .No matter what St Louis offers he’s setting it up for a move to LA or London.No matter what is offered Kronke will declare it isn’t sufficient and will then justify his relocating to Los Angeles.The whole idea of a team in London is beyond ridiculous.Thats like putting and English Premier League team in Chicago.

  27. lafan101 says: Feb 1, 2012 3:06 PM

    hanspard says:
    Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM
    I live near STL, and everyone hear knows that this town is all Cardinals and Blues, all the time. You’ll hear more fond memories of the football Cardinals than you will the Rams. The Rams have NEVER been a part of the city, they just happen to play football here.

    ==================================

    This is why Roger Goodell and Stan Kroenke know moving the Rams back to Los Angeles makes perfect sense. The team has a history here with the Fearsome Foursome of the 1960’s and 1970’s. Georgia Frontiere should have NEVER moved the team to St. Louis.

  28. mrpilsner says: Feb 1, 2012 3:26 PM

    @Alansayyo

    right!

    “Top 25%” ????

    what? latitude?

    Bud Light sales?

    “media” types says it all….

  29. thepatriotsaregay says: Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM

    Two things:

    1st: can we stop talking about London? It make zero sense to have a team there. Roger Goodell is a moron for thinking there is.

    2nd: I attended a game in the Edward Jones Dome back in 2006 and I was a dump back then so i can only imagine what it is now….I hope the Rams will go back to LA where they belong….bring back the classic blue/yellow uniforms and be done with it.

  30. tformation says: Feb 1, 2012 3:56 PM

    Oh, I get it now! I wondered why the Rams would give up a home game a year in London for X years and be happy about it.

    LEVERAGE!

    The more they play in London, the more the leverage the Rams have over the city of St. Louis.

    “Gee, we’d love to stay here in Saint Louis, but LONDON called and wants us to be their team… and y’know, we don’t have to buy our own stadium there & get nice tax credits & stuff…”

    Well played, Rams, well played.

  31. briang123 says: Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM

    15 years old and already needs to be replaced? Wow. And here’s something I’ve always wondered. Why didn’t St. Louis get a Super Bowl after building the dome? Even Detroit got one for building a new joint.

  32. mizzouram says: Feb 1, 2012 7:18 PM

    I live near STL, and everyone hear knows that this town is all Cardinals and Blues, all the time. You’ll hear more fond memories of the football Cardinals than you will the Rams. The Rams have NEVER been a part of the city, they just happen to play football here.

    ==================================

    This is why Roger Goodell and Stan Kroenke know moving the Rams back to Los Angeles makes perfect sense. The team has a history here with the Fearsome Foursome of the 1960′s and 1970′s. Georgia Frontiere should have NEVER moved the team to St. Louis.

    ————————————————————
    1)You are aware Kroenke actually BROUGHT the team to St. Louis, right?

    2) Since you “live near STL” you realize the Rams smashed EVERY Blues game in TV ratings since they have been in town and they outdrew the Cardinals in viewership in EVERY game last season except game 7 of the WS? I doubt you can spell St. Louis.

    3) The reason the Rams moved LA is the same reason the Raiders did and its the same reason the were passed over for expansion: LA is terrible sports town and there isn’t enough public money or public interest to get one there. Over a miserable 5 year run of 15-65, the Rams put more butts in the seats than LA when they were going to the playoffs.

    Owned…

  33. mizzouram says: Feb 1, 2012 7:22 PM

    realitypolice says: Feb 1, 2012 2:08 PM

    I don’t mean to pick on Rams or Jags fans, I am very sympathetic to their plights.

    But you’ve got to open your eyes. To believe that Kroenke and Kahn don’t have their eyes on LA is to believe that these self made billionaires are bad businessmen.

    Because only a bad businessman would stash as significant an asset as an NFL football team in a place where he can’t maximize it’s value.

    And it’s completely irrelevant whether you sell out your stadium or not. The stadiums are not set up to maximize income through luxury suites.

    I don’t have the figures in front of me but I would be willing to bet that Jerry World in Dallas generates more income in one game than EverBank Field does in four.

    Not to mention the fact that having franchises in LA allows the league to maximize television revenue.

    If you made a list of pros and cons for either of these owners for staying versus leaving, everything on the “pro” list for staying would be emotional and everything on the “pro” list for leaving would be business.

    And these guys aren’t social workers.
    ————————————————————-By your logic shouldn’t every team in the NFL not named the Jets/Giants/Bears move there, then?

  34. realitypolice says: Feb 1, 2012 8:31 PM

    @mizzouram:

    Any team in the league that plays in a small market in an outdated stadium with few luxury boxes should and probably does wish they could move to LA.

    What separates the Rams and Jags (and the Chargers, Vikings and Raiders for that matter) is that they have lease situations that allow for the possibility of their leaving.

  35. lafan101 says: Feb 2, 2012 3:47 AM

    Your an idiot! L.A. is a great sports town we just won’t put up with losing teams with bad ownership. Keep being a jealous hater and the Rams belong in L.A. and
    St. Louis can suck it!

  36. umrguy42 says: Feb 2, 2012 10:24 AM

    “4t9er says:
    Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM
    People in St.Louis are realizing now that Shahd Khan would have been a safer owner than Kroenke.”

    ——————————————-

    “Now”? No, knew it from the first. Disappointed he didn’t get the Rams to begin with.

    ——————————————-

    “lafan101 says:
    Feb 2, 2012 3:47 AM
    Your an idiot! L.A. is a great sports town we just won’t put up with losing teams with bad ownership.”

    ——————————————-

    So, why shouldn’t those teams move somewhere other than LA then, if they can find someplace that will appreciate them? Should they be expected to stay in LA and be ignored, and be grateful for the opportunity?

  37. drew1969 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:02 PM

    HIGH F-N FIVE MIZZOURAM!

  38. drew1969 says: Feb 3, 2012 10:33 PM

    God bless Georgia AND Stan.This is what we call negotiating,Ladies and Gentleman.BTW,The Rams have had only NINE blackouts in the entire 17 seasons in STL.And none all of last season,despite being 1-7 there.But NO!!we are a baseball town,remember. Goodell said in an interview w/Bob Costas,that LA would be getting an expansion team.

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