They need to put these following players in: Jerry Kramer, Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Andre Reed, L.C. Greenwood, Ricky Watters, Steve Tasker, Charles Haley, Ken Anderson, Jim Marshall, Bob Hayes, Ken Stabler, and Alex Karras.

Now to all of you saying Tim Brown over CC ill say this. yes TB had more yards by about 5,000 over all not just receiving but also returns, but CC scored 25 more TDs thats 150 more points than TB. Im in no way sayin TB is nor deserving just not above CC

NOT a Packers fan. Long-suffering Cowboys, actually — you know? We’re led by the guy who’s suffered 50 concussions (I think that number is far too conservative)?

NEVER said that Carter isn’t hall-worthy, far from it.

What I said, was that he was selfish, a ME-FIRST/stats guy and treated EVERYONE (teammates, coaches, officials, media, etc.) like DIRT and it’s no secret that is a FACT.

My point is that Carter likely should have went in on his FIRST YEAR of eligibility, but his ego, attitude and overall selfishness kept him out and he was being sent a message.

So while I’m back watching film because I’ve never watch football (?), hopefully those who lack the ability to READ can read my posts and understand that Cris Carter will get into the HOF and he deserves to and I still stand by that I would take Reed, Brown, Owens and Moss before I’d take Carter, because they have ‘intangibles’ that Carter never had.

That says it all right there. Andre should have been in years ago.

For those of you such as krashie21, when stating Carter isn’t worthy of the Hall or was really that good, you needed to include the disclaimer that you know nothing about football.

Go back and watch film. Take a good look at his stats. Then go and check out who he had throwing him the ball!! Not only did he lack elite QBs in their prime throwing to him; he constantly had different QBs throwing to him throughout his career. And he was productive with all of them!

Contrast him to someone like Sterling Sharpe who only played 7 years but was top 5 in receiving yards four times. Carter shouldn’t be rewarded for simply being able to stay healthy longer than contemporary players who were better than him.

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1) Randy Moss – unbelievable receiver, best athlete ever in the NFL, appeared in SB
2) Terrell Owens – had good QBs, but was a beast as well, appeared in SB
3) Tim Brown – 10 seasons in a row with 75+ catches, appeared in SB,
4) Andre Reed – good team around him, HOF QB, but put up very good #s and was in SB 4 times
5) Chris Carter – extremely good numbers, All-decade team in the 90′s, no SB appearances.

Give three Hall of Fame votes to each team and let them select the players or coach that they want to have those votes. Like for instance, for the Vikings, those votes could go to Hall of Famers like a Fran Tarkenten, John Randle and Bud Grant. And if a team doesn’t have any Hall of Famers (Like Jacksonville) give those votes to teams like the Cowboys or Steelers, teams who have a plethora of Hall of Famers and Super Bowls.

And also, make the Hall of Fame voting process public for all to see. I never understood why it took nine hours to figure out who in the Hall of Fame. As things stand right now, the voters pick their guys and they are not held accountable for their picks because most of the voters won’t reveal who they voted for.

And finally, instead of appointing five players/coaches, expand that number to 8.

Even though I thought you were a bit harsh about my Vikings, you did make some valid points. I agree that the reason Carter is not in the Hall of Fame is because he was not media-friendly (I know people that have interviewed him and they say he was a jerk to them) but that should not prevent him from being in the Hall of Fame.

I disagree with your point about Carter being selfish and a bad teammate. He was brutally honest with his teammates and he was like a coach on the field. And if you want to talk about “selfish” guys, why not start with the most selfish player whoever played, Brett Favre..

Carter’s production speaks for itself: Eight straight Pro Bowls, and he did it when he had to compete against Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Sterling Sharpe and many other great receivers. He was second all-time in receptions and touchdown catches when he retired and was the best possession receiver of all time.

Let’s be honest here, some Hall of Fame voters hold grudges against players and coaches (see Parcells) who treated them badly and they are abusing their power by preventing guys like Carter and Parcells their rightful place into the Hall of Fame and that’s not right.

It’s time to send the Hall of Fame voters “a message” and re-tool the Hall of Fame voting process.

Carter’s best quarterback was Cunningham.

Nothing against Rice, but he played with Montana and Young for most of his career, and he played in a perpetually efficient pass-happy system.

Carter never had that stable of a system, even when him and Moss were tearing it up. Cunningham was injury prone and he was no where near as good as the guys from San Fran.

Look, I’m a Steelers fan, so I have no loyalty to any team that he ever played for. But the guy had legendarily soft hands and was only second fiddle to Rice. Being second to Rice should be a HOF lock.

I wonder what he would have done in a system like San Fran had…

All are about the same except Carter never played in a SuperBowl. Wideouts are going to find it hard to get in because of the numbers in the last 15 yrs and especially today.
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Randy Moss is in another class compared to these guys. He’s the most unstoppable wide out that I’ve ever seen. I know Jerry’s the best all time but Moss was ridiculous. He’s first ballot no question.
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The numbers may not agree, I’ll grant that, but in my mind EVERYONE on that list above is/was better than Carter at any point.

Carter’s numbers are obscene, but I just think the group above is better in areas that aren’t measured by numbers —

I was just never a fan of the guy and I’d take any of the above for good, bad or ugly (yes, I’d take T.O. before Carter — and I’m a Dallas fan).

CC needs to go next year. Reed and Brown are great but CC deserves it as he basically helped mold Randy Moss

CC is 4th all time in receptions, 4th all time in receiving TDs, and 8th all time in receiving yards, and he can’t get in on his 5th try?

CC is also 8th all time in TDs scored by any position. Of the top 15 TD scorers of all time, all are no doubt hall of famers, with the exception of Shaun Alexander and maybe Marvin Harrison… and CC is above both of them on that list.

The guy deserves to be in, and only politics or personal grudges are keeping him out. The man should be honored for what he did on the field.

If there is any change to be made it might be along the lines of limiting the inductees based upon position. Among this year’s class the least deserving member might be Martin even though he is the best known.

He’s a blowhard as a commentator and somehow that career has gotten tied to his NFL playing career.

Anyone who argues based on what this man did on the field quite simply you did not watch him play.

He is the best sideline receiver in NFL history and the best one handed catch receiver in NFL history.

With all due respect to Reed and Brown who are both VERY good wideouts, they were not in Carter’s league in his prime. They could not do what Carter did in the endzone, on the sideline, or with one hand. They simply were not as good.