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		<title>By: backindasaddle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter King is right. I&#039;m a Pats fan and watch every game. Welker makes that catch 9 times out 10.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter King is right. I&#8217;m a Pats fan and watch every game. Welker makes that catch 9 times out 10.</p>
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		<title>By: AlohaMrHand</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welker should of caught it sure,and there shouldnt of been 12 men on the field on that fumble by Bradshaw. Once again Chowd fans are throwing one of their own players under the bus and ignoring other factors that contributed to the loss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welker should of caught it sure,and there shouldnt of been 12 men on the field on that fumble by Bradshaw. Once again Chowd fans are throwing one of their own players under the bus and ignoring other factors that contributed to the loss.</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[truthfactory says: 
Feb 6, 2012 11:22 PM 
What planet do you live on?
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long…and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.
Dead wrong.
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I live on this planet… this planet where I read and hear about “Brady’s” 16 wins in the post-season and that’s why he’s the “greatest of all time”… however, the fact is that many of those games he played terribly, but the Patriots team covered up for him. 

His QB rating drops dramatically in the playoffs, (even more than Peyton Manning). Sure he may get criticized the next day after his bad game, but weeks, months, and even years from now no one pays attention to those bad games, and only focus on the 16 wins. 

He threw for only 145 yds in a Superbowl and won, 3 INT’s in the AFC championship game in 2007 and won, threw 0 TD’s, 2 INT’s 2 weeks ago in AFC championship, and won… Many other stinkers along the way, but they all resulted in wins. When we look back at his post-season record, no one notices that they got many of those playoff wins inspite of Tom Brady, not because of him. 

Not fair for him to get all the praise for those wins, and not take all the heat for this loss. He gets all the glory, he’s gotta take the heat

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So true, truthfactory.

Tom Brady&#039;s playoff QB rating is 86.0.  By comparison, Eli Manning&#039;s playoff rating is 89.4 and Peyton Manning&#039;s rating is 88.4 in the post-season, both better than Brady. 

Meanwhile, players like Troy Aikman (88.3) and John Elway (79) had comparable QB ratings in the post-season to those.  But of course, Joe Montana (95 QB rating in the postseason) blows them all away, resulting in his perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record, something that none of those guys will ever top.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truthfactory says:<br />
Feb 6, 2012 11:22 PM<br />
What planet do you live on?<br />
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.<br />
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long…and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.<br />
Dead wrong.<br />
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<p>I live on this planet… this planet where I read and hear about “Brady’s” 16 wins in the post-season and that’s why he’s the “greatest of all time”… however, the fact is that many of those games he played terribly, but the Patriots team covered up for him. </p>
<p>His QB rating drops dramatically in the playoffs, (even more than Peyton Manning). Sure he may get criticized the next day after his bad game, but weeks, months, and even years from now no one pays attention to those bad games, and only focus on the 16 wins. </p>
<p>He threw for only 145 yds in a Superbowl and won, 3 INT’s in the AFC championship game in 2007 and won, threw 0 TD’s, 2 INT’s 2 weeks ago in AFC championship, and won… Many other stinkers along the way, but they all resulted in wins. When we look back at his post-season record, no one notices that they got many of those playoff wins inspite of Tom Brady, not because of him. </p>
<p>Not fair for him to get all the praise for those wins, and not take all the heat for this loss. He gets all the glory, he’s gotta take the heat</p>
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So true, truthfactory.</p>
<p>Tom Brady&#8217;s playoff QB rating is 86.0.  By comparison, Eli Manning&#8217;s playoff rating is 89.4 and Peyton Manning&#8217;s rating is 88.4 in the post-season, both better than Brady. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, players like Troy Aikman (88.3) and John Elway (79) had comparable QB ratings in the post-season to those.  But of course, Joe Montana (95 QB rating in the postseason) blows them all away, resulting in his perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record, something that none of those guys will ever top.</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[steelcitywhitty says: 
Feb 7, 2012 10:38 AM 
The play was designed for the WR to turn inside, he did. The actual play required Brady to throw the ball outside. Welker turned in saw the ball and attempted an leaping, 180 degree twisting acrobatic catch resulting in an INCOMPLETION.

You guys have been spoiled by the number of phenomenal catches Welker and NFL WRs make. An acrobatic, leaping, 180 degree twisting catch attempt could never be called a drop. That’s just an incompletion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steelcitywhitty says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 10:38 AM<br />
The play was designed for the WR to turn inside, he did. The actual play required Brady to throw the ball outside. Welker turned in saw the ball and attempted an leaping, 180 degree twisting acrobatic catch resulting in an INCOMPLETION.</p>
<p>You guys have been spoiled by the number of phenomenal catches Welker and NFL WRs make. An acrobatic, leaping, 180 degree twisting catch attempt could never be called a drop. That’s just an incompletion.</p>
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No, it&#8217;s called a bad throw.</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[metspeed21 says: 
Feb 7, 2012 7:59 AM 
I’ve caught thousands of balls in my life...

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Where?  On your chin, Boston Boi?  Figures]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metspeed21 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 7:59 AM<br />
I’ve caught thousands of balls in my life&#8230;</p>
<p>__<br />
Where?  On your chin, Boston Boi?  Figures</p>
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		<title>By: petersonisthepurplejesus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is all the attention on this play, when really Branch should be under the microscope. He had a way worse drop on the final drive that would&#039;ve been a TD if he caught it, it was right on his hands....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is all the attention on this play, when really Branch should be under the microscope. He had a way worse drop on the final drive that would&#8217;ve been a TD if he caught it, it was right on his hands&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: steelcitywhitty</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The play was designed for the WR to turn inside, he did.  The actual play required Brady to throw the ball outside. Welker turned in saw the ball  and attempted an leaping, 180 degree twisting acrobatic catch resulting in an INCOMPLETION.

You guys have been spoiled by the number of phenomenal catches Welker and NFL WRs make. An acrobatic, leaping, 180 degree twisting catch attempt could never be called a drop.  That&#039;s just an incompletion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The play was designed for the WR to turn inside, he did.  The actual play required Brady to throw the ball outside. Welker turned in saw the ball  and attempted an leaping, 180 degree twisting acrobatic catch resulting in an INCOMPLETION.</p>
<p>You guys have been spoiled by the number of phenomenal catches Welker and NFL WRs make. An acrobatic, leaping, 180 degree twisting catch attempt could never be called a drop.  That&#8217;s just an incompletion.</p>
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		<title>By: geezohman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the many posts so far... to catch a ball thrown up and  behind, with welker turning... no way...

give me the stats on any other receiver catching a ball, turning 180, having to jump at that speed of ball.

ain&#039;t going to happen.. thats why this is a topic !      

I&#039;m impressed Welker trying to play &#039;peace&#039; maker with Brady by taking the &#039;blame&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the many posts so far&#8230; to catch a ball thrown up and  behind, with welker turning&#8230; no way&#8230;</p>
<p>give me the stats on any other receiver catching a ball, turning 180, having to jump at that speed of ball.</p>
<p>ain&#8217;t going to happen.. thats why this is a topic !      </p>
<p>I&#8217;m impressed Welker trying to play &#8216;peace&#8217; maker with Brady by taking the &#8216;blame&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: mackie66</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brady made a not so good pass, Welker made a good, but not great attempt to catch the ball and for whatever reason(s) the play failed.  So why do you people at PFT demand to assign fault?  Its Bradys fault, its Welkers fault.  Its really called team work, this time it didnt work out, and it didnt &quot;work out&quot; at the worst/best moment of the game depending on who you talk to.  One play never wins or loses a game, never,,,,You people in sports media, who have no idea what &quot;team sports&quot; means, has this need to find fault.  Why dont you get over yourself and see this incomplete pass for what its worth,,, nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brady made a not so good pass, Welker made a good, but not great attempt to catch the ball and for whatever reason(s) the play failed.  So why do you people at PFT demand to assign fault?  Its Bradys fault, its Welkers fault.  Its really called team work, this time it didnt work out, and it didnt &#8220;work out&#8221; at the worst/best moment of the game depending on who you talk to.  One play never wins or loses a game, never,,,,You people in sports media, who have no idea what &#8220;team sports&#8221; means, has this need to find fault.  Why dont you get over yourself and see this incomplete pass for what its worth,,, nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: latopia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Welker didn’t realize where the safety was and turned around to sit in the “hole” of the zone. As Welker’s turning, he realizes Tom has released the ball and it’s going well passed him.&lt;/i&gt; LMAO. Nice try. Except &lt;b&gt;anyone&lt;/b&gt; who watches the replay can &lt;b&gt;clearly&lt;/b&gt; see a) Welker had already turned to his right without breaking stride when &lt;b&gt;Brady still held the ball&lt;/b&gt;,b) Welker taking 2-3 more steps as Brady released the ball while Welker read the ball&#039;s trajectory, again without breaking stride,  c) &lt;b&gt;then and only then&lt;/b&gt; did Welker leave the ground to perform a 180 so he could reach a ball that was &lt;b&gt;clearly&lt;/b&gt; thrown  to his opposite (left) shoulder, d) where the momentum of performing the 180 destroyed the moment of inertia which would&#039;ve allowed Welker to secure the catch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Welker didn’t realize where the safety was and turned around to sit in the “hole” of the zone. As Welker’s turning, he realizes Tom has released the ball and it’s going well passed him.</i> LMAO. Nice try. Except <b>anyone</b> who watches the replay can <b>clearly</b> see a) Welker had already turned to his right without breaking stride when <b>Brady still held the ball</b>,b) Welker taking 2-3 more steps as Brady released the ball while Welker read the ball&#8217;s trajectory, again without breaking stride,  c) <b>then and only then</b> did Welker leave the ground to perform a 180 so he could reach a ball that was <b>clearly</b> thrown  to his opposite (left) shoulder, d) where the momentum of performing the 180 destroyed the moment of inertia which would&#8217;ve allowed Welker to secure the catch.</p>
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		<title>By: hineswardcriesafterfumbling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A question for everyone leaving comments. 

Is there another website you frequent for quality NFL news and analysis?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for everyone leaving comments. </p>
<p>Is there another website you frequent for quality NFL news and analysis?</p>
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		<title>By: marinephinfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[95% Brady&#039;s fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>95% Brady&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: thermalito</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Patriots should have gone for it on 4th down. Why would you give the ball back to your opponent on their side of the field? Stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Patriots should have gone for it on 4th down. Why would you give the ball back to your opponent on their side of the field? Stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: sj39</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brady has had that &quot;deer in the headlights&quot; look in every big game he&#039;s played in since not having the defensive play calls whispered in his ear. Even the Brady Bunch knows that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brady has had that &#8220;deer in the headlights&#8221; look in every big game he&#8217;s played in since not having the defensive play calls whispered in his ear. Even the Brady Bunch knows that.</p>
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		<title>By: metspeed21</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve caught thousands of balls in my life and it&#039;s my opinion that Welker was trying to catch the ball in a way that it wouldn&#039;t be jarred out of his hands by a defender.  I&#039;m not saying he shied away from contact, but that he expected it and was focusing on catching it with the right softness that can absorb the impact.  If it wasn&#039;t such a crucial catch, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a cerebral play at all and he catches it almost one hundred percent of the time.  I feel bad for him because he deserved a better fate and when I drop any pass I agonize over it for days.  You&#039;ll vindicate yourself, Wes, I know it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve caught thousands of balls in my life and it&#8217;s my opinion that Welker was trying to catch the ball in a way that it wouldn&#8217;t be jarred out of his hands by a defender.  I&#8217;m not saying he shied away from contact, but that he expected it and was focusing on catching it with the right softness that can absorb the impact.  If it wasn&#8217;t such a crucial catch, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a cerebral play at all and he catches it almost one hundred percent of the time.  I feel bad for him because he deserved a better fate and when I drop any pass I agonize over it for days.  You&#8217;ll vindicate yourself, Wes, I know it!</p>
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		<title>By: dennis2488</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what about branch&#039;s drops on the next two pass plays? what about the two fumbles that bounced back to the giants? what about gronkowskis injury? what about the safety that didnt need to be called? there are a lot more questionable plays that would have won the patriots the game. thats football, people are only debating this because three teams in a row gave the game to the giants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about branch&#8217;s drops on the next two pass plays? what about the two fumbles that bounced back to the giants? what about gronkowskis injury? what about the safety that didnt need to be called? there are a lot more questionable plays that would have won the patriots the game. thats football, people are only debating this because three teams in a row gave the game to the giants.</p>
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		<title>By: descendency</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many people can get on TV and not know a **** thing about QBing. 

Tom Brady threw the ball leading Welker well past the safety whom had dropped into the area. Welker didn&#039;t realize where the safety was and turned around to sit in the &quot;hole&quot; of the zone. As Welker&#039;s turning, he realizes Tom has released the ball and it&#039;s going well passed him. 

Tom throws the ball farther up field because of the safety and in NE&#039;s offense, Welker is supposed to read where the safety is and push his route further up field. 

It&#039;s so bang bang, it&#039;s hard to blame one or the other, but it&#039;s more Welker&#039;s fault for not pushing his route up than Brady for making a bad throw. Brady is anticipating Welker to run deeper. 

In &quot;read option&quot; offenses, stuff like this happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people can get on TV and not know a **** thing about QBing. </p>
<p>Tom Brady threw the ball leading Welker well past the safety whom had dropped into the area. Welker didn&#8217;t realize where the safety was and turned around to sit in the &#8220;hole&#8221; of the zone. As Welker&#8217;s turning, he realizes Tom has released the ball and it&#8217;s going well passed him. </p>
<p>Tom throws the ball farther up field because of the safety and in NE&#8217;s offense, Welker is supposed to read where the safety is and push his route further up field. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so bang bang, it&#8217;s hard to blame one or the other, but it&#8217;s more Welker&#8217;s fault for not pushing his route up than Brady for making a bad throw. Brady is anticipating Welker to run deeper. </p>
<p>In &#8220;read option&#8221; offenses, stuff like this happens.</p>
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		<title>By: promickey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason Welker droped the ball had to do with the speed that he was going, then the ball gets thrown to the opposite shoulder. The full speed, opposite shoulder and higher for the 5&#039;9&quot; Welker made it a very difficult catch. Welker became off balance as a result of the speed he was going. That was a tough catch which Welker can make but the degree of difficulty is due to Welker losing balance. Mike is correct on this one. Brady has to shoulder most of the blame. Brady had time to get the ball to the open Welker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Welker droped the ball had to do with the speed that he was going, then the ball gets thrown to the opposite shoulder. The full speed, opposite shoulder and higher for the 5&#8217;9&#8243; Welker made it a very difficult catch. Welker became off balance as a result of the speed he was going. That was a tough catch which Welker can make but the degree of difficulty is due to Welker losing balance. Mike is correct on this one. Brady has to shoulder most of the blame. Brady had time to get the ball to the open Welker.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglebobby</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Von Schamm--there was 4 minutes left when he dropped that ball. If he had caught it, at the 20, New England would have run the ball on the next set of downs--the Giants had only 1 timeout and the 2 minute warning--when do they take their last TO? On defense, thus leaving them about a minute or less to drive the length of the field to score what would have to be a TD?? They would have had 230 seconds left and then you count 40 seconds for each play after that. It would have been 3rd down at the 2 minute warning--if they didn&#039;t get the first down first of all at the 10.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Von Schamm&#8211;there was 4 minutes left when he dropped that ball. If he had caught it, at the 20, New England would have run the ball on the next set of downs&#8211;the Giants had only 1 timeout and the 2 minute warning&#8211;when do they take their last TO? On defense, thus leaving them about a minute or less to drive the length of the field to score what would have to be a TD?? They would have had 230 seconds left and then you count 40 seconds for each play after that. It would have been 3rd down at the 2 minute warning&#8211;if they didn&#8217;t get the first down first of all at the 10.</p>
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		<title>By: athleticmedic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2 hands on the ball...not one... TWO!  Poorly thrown ball by Brady...but a DROP by Welker...pure and simple.  Now, don&#039;t get me wrong...most guys don&#039;t have the body position to even get two hands on the ball there...but Welker has made many more difficult catches in the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 hands on the ball&#8230;not one&#8230; TWO!  Poorly thrown ball by Brady&#8230;but a DROP by Welker&#8230;pure and simple.  Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230;most guys don&#8217;t have the body position to even get two hands on the ball there&#8230;but Welker has made many more difficult catches in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: riverhorsey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wes was thinking about planting that foot and racing to the end zone. If he had settled for just catching it he would have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes was thinking about planting that foot and racing to the end zone. If he had settled for just catching it he would have.</p>
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		<title>By: thraiderskin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can a ball hit a PROFESSIONAL football player in both hands and it not be caught, only to have a whole bunch of tardos blame it all on the quarterback? Was it a perfect throw, no, appeared to be to the wrong shoulder determined by the defender(s), but it hit the man in both hands... argument over, BOTH HANDS! It happened, just like the Giants winning proves who was the better team on Sunday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a ball hit a PROFESSIONAL football player in both hands and it not be caught, only to have a whole bunch of tardos blame it all on the quarterback? Was it a perfect throw, no, appeared to be to the wrong shoulder determined by the defender(s), but it hit the man in both hands&#8230; argument over, BOTH HANDS! It happened, just like the Giants winning proves who was the better team on Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: truthfactory</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What planet do you live on?
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long…and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.
Dead wrong.
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I live on this planet... this planet where I read and hear about &quot;Brady&#039;s&quot; 16 wins in the post-season and that&#039;s why he&#039;s the &quot;greatest of all time&quot;... however, the fact is that many of those games he played terribly, but the Patriots team covered up for him.  

His QB rating drops dramatically in the playoffs, (even more than Peyton Manning).  Sure he may get criticized the next day after his bad game, but weeks, months, and even years from now no one pays attention to those bad games, and only focus on the 16 wins.  

He threw for only 145 yds in a Superbowl and won, 3 INT&#039;s in the AFC championship game in 2007 and won, threw 0 TD&#039;s, 2 INT&#039;s 2 weeks ago in AFC championship, and won... Many other stinkers along the way, but they all resulted in wins.  When we look back at his post-season record, no one notices that they got many of those playoff wins inspite of Tom Brady, not because of him.  

Not fair for him to get all the praise for those wins, and not take all the heat for this loss.  He gets all the glory, he&#039;s gotta take the heat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What planet do you live on?<br />
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.<br />
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long…and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.<br />
Dead wrong.<br />
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<p>I live on this planet&#8230; this planet where I read and hear about &#8220;Brady&#8217;s&#8221; 16 wins in the post-season and that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s the &#8220;greatest of all time&#8221;&#8230; however, the fact is that many of those games he played terribly, but the Patriots team covered up for him.  </p>
<p>His QB rating drops dramatically in the playoffs, (even more than Peyton Manning).  Sure he may get criticized the next day after his bad game, but weeks, months, and even years from now no one pays attention to those bad games, and only focus on the 16 wins.  </p>
<p>He threw for only 145 yds in a Superbowl and won, 3 INT&#8217;s in the AFC championship game in 2007 and won, threw 0 TD&#8217;s, 2 INT&#8217;s 2 weeks ago in AFC championship, and won&#8230; Many other stinkers along the way, but they all resulted in wins.  When we look back at his post-season record, no one notices that they got many of those playoff wins inspite of Tom Brady, not because of him.  </p>
<p>Not fair for him to get all the praise for those wins, and not take all the heat for this loss.  He gets all the glory, he&#8217;s gotta take the heat</p>
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		<title>By: seeschool</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s on both of them, but the majority of the blame resides with Welker. Tom didn’t make the most accurate throw, in fact, if he threw a perfect ball he could have hit Welker in stride and thats a TD.

Not from where I was watching. There was a safety in front of welker, so brady had to throw it to his back shoulder. It was too high, but it had to be behind welker otherwise it would have been a pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s on both of them, but the majority of the blame resides with Welker. Tom didn’t make the most accurate throw, in fact, if he threw a perfect ball he could have hit Welker in stride and thats a TD.</p>
<p>Not from where I was watching. There was a safety in front of welker, so brady had to throw it to his back shoulder. It was too high, but it had to be behind welker otherwise it would have been a pick.</p>
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		<title>By: hooterdawg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pats deserve the same blame that got the Polians and head coach fired in Indy: they built the team around the strength of their QB, but don&#039;t have enough talent/cap space to mask the other team weaknesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pats deserve the same blame that got the Polians and head coach fired in Indy: they built the team around the strength of their QB, but don&#8217;t have enough talent/cap space to mask the other team weaknesses.</p>
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		<title>By: daveyjones1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look if a receiver can get both hands on it he can catch it. The throw was not the best admittedly, however, it was a catchable ball. Welker made a great adjustment to get to it, but he had to secure it. 

How many catches have yo seen that were more difficult than that just this year? In the NFL, guys make great catches. Look at the Manningham catch on the last drive of the game. That was just as difficult as Welkers attempt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look if a receiver can get both hands on it he can catch it. The throw was not the best admittedly, however, it was a catchable ball. Welker made a great adjustment to get to it, but he had to secure it. </p>
<p>How many catches have yo seen that were more difficult than that just this year? In the NFL, guys make great catches. Look at the Manningham catch on the last drive of the game. That was just as difficult as Welkers attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: latopia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s only a &quot;drop&quot; because Welker performed an amazing 180 to get his hands on a wrong-shoulder throw by Brady. The momentum from twisting his body to reach the ball carried him through the inertia required to secure the catch. Like to hear from STATS.com. They&#039;re pretty conservative on drops resulting from poor throws.

Oh. And shoulder-less humpback Peter King wouldn&#039;t know a wrong-shoulder throw if it hit him between the cheeks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only a &#8220;drop&#8221; because Welker performed an amazing 180 to get his hands on a wrong-shoulder throw by Brady. The momentum from twisting his body to reach the ball carried him through the inertia required to secure the catch. Like to hear from STATS.com. They&#8217;re pretty conservative on drops resulting from poor throws.</p>
<p>Oh. And shoulder-less humpback Peter King wouldn&#8217;t know a wrong-shoulder throw if it hit him between the cheeks.</p>
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		<title>By: anpsteel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The people who are saying that was on Welker are just delusional.  That pass was late, high, and over the wrong shoulder.

Welker made a phenomenal play just to get his hands on it.  But his bodily momentum was taking him the other direction, that combined with the over throw- made the pass virtually impossible for him to catch- unless he were about 6 inches taller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who are saying that was on Welker are just delusional.  That pass was late, high, and over the wrong shoulder.</p>
<p>Welker made a phenomenal play just to get his hands on it.  But his bodily momentum was taking him the other direction, that combined with the over throw- made the pass virtually impossible for him to catch- unless he were about 6 inches taller.</p>
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		<title>By: rc33</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[truthfactory says: 
Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM 
Brady fans can blame his teammates all they want, but those same teammates got it done 2 weeks ago when he laid an egg and threw 0 tds and 2 picks against the ravens.

He gets ALL the credit when they win, and has got to take the heat when they lose.

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What planet do you live on?
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long...and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.
Dead wrong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truthfactory says:<br />
Feb 6, 2012 8:28 PM<br />
Brady fans can blame his teammates all they want, but those same teammates got it done 2 weeks ago when he laid an egg and threw 0 tds and 2 picks against the ravens.</p>
<p>He gets ALL the credit when they win, and has got to take the heat when they lose.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>What planet do you live on?<br />
Brady was skewered by the Boston media for his play against Baltimore. And even worse this morning by Eric Wilbur in the Globe, who essentially said he was finished as an elite player.<br />
Brady catches his share of heat. He also unquestionably carried a marginally talented team all season long&#8230;and that needs to be taken into account too. But for your narrative purposes, its easier just to baselessly state that he never gets criticized.<br />
Dead wrong.<br />
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		<title>By: fissels</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any of you who say he should have caught it ever drop a thrown football?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any of you who say he should have caught it ever drop a thrown football?</p>
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