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	<title>Comments on: League not commenting on possible changes to 12 men penalty</title>
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		<title>By: rexryanstoecheese</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[given the way they fell down and had                          &quot; synchronized injuries&quot; against the RAMS  early in the year,  yeah, pretty safe to say it was intentional and CHEATING. who cares, its over and done with]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>given the way they fell down and had                          &#8221; synchronized injuries&#8221; against the RAMS  early in the year,  yeah, pretty safe to say it was intentional and CHEATING. who cares, its over and done with</p>
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		<title>By: mulxedge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulxedge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[same old pats... breaking all the rules again... oh wait]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>same old pats&#8230; breaking all the rules again&#8230; oh wait</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[patsfiend says: 
Feb 7, 2012 7:44 PM 
tatum064 says:
Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM
patsfiend says:
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.

If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.

==============

what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.

You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it. It just wasn’t your day, PERIOD.
===============
The game was unbelievable, numb nuts. And yes, that play to Manningham was unbelievable, given the circumstances. Not lucky, mind you, like the Tyree catch, just unbelievable. 

Learn how to take a compliment and enjoy your SB victory instead of being so uptight about your QB and team.

__
Too bad your fan base couldn&#039;t follow that same advice in the early 200os...leading up to today.  Pats fans have been obsessing about Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady since forever...failing to realize that no amount of Super Bowl wins will ever change the fact that Peyton is and always will be the better QB.  Heck, Eli is showing that he is better than Tom as well, given his recent head-to-head 3-1 record against Tammy Boi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patsfiend says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 7:44 PM<br />
tatum064 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM<br />
patsfiend says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM<br />
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.</p>
<p>If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.</p>
<p>==============</p>
<p>what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.</p>
<p>You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it. It just wasn’t your day, PERIOD.<br />
===============<br />
The game was unbelievable, numb nuts. And yes, that play to Manningham was unbelievable, given the circumstances. Not lucky, mind you, like the Tyree catch, just unbelievable. </p>
<p>Learn how to take a compliment and enjoy your SB victory instead of being so uptight about your QB and team.</p>
<p>__<br />
Too bad your fan base couldn&#8217;t follow that same advice in the early 200os&#8230;leading up to today.  Pats fans have been obsessing about Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady since forever&#8230;failing to realize that no amount of Super Bowl wins will ever change the fact that Peyton is and always will be the better QB.  Heck, Eli is showing that he is better than Tom as well, given his recent head-to-head 3-1 record against Tammy Boi.</p>
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		<title>By: patsfiend</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tatum064 says:
Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM
patsfiend says:
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.

If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.

==============

what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.

You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it. It just wasn’t your day, PERIOD.
===============
The game was unbelievable, numb nuts. And yes, that play to Manningham was unbelievable, given the circumstances. Not lucky, mind you, like the Tyree catch, just unbelievable. 

Learn how to take a compliment and enjoy your SB victory instead of being so uptight about your QB and team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tatum064 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM<br />
patsfiend says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM<br />
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.</p>
<p>If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.</p>
<p>==============</p>
<p>what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.</p>
<p>You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it. It just wasn’t your day, PERIOD.<br />
===============<br />
The game was unbelievable, numb nuts. And yes, that play to Manningham was unbelievable, given the circumstances. Not lucky, mind you, like the Tyree catch, just unbelievable. </p>
<p>Learn how to take a compliment and enjoy your SB victory instead of being so uptight about your QB and team.</p>
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		<title>By: repojam</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw that 12 men on the field with the clock runoff and chuckled to myself.

Smart move, Coughlin.   

It&#039;s a way to eat time on the clock.  The offense can get a free shot to go down the field and if the result is good they can decline the penalty, or spike the ball to stop the clock and then take the penalty.

He handed the Patriots some rope to see what they would do with it.  8 seconds was a long time to try to make a play.  If they would have noticed, they could have spiked the ball, gotten the penalty and a stop on the clock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that 12 men on the field with the clock runoff and chuckled to myself.</p>
<p>Smart move, Coughlin.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a way to eat time on the clock.  The offense can get a free shot to go down the field and if the result is good they can decline the penalty, or spike the ball to stop the clock and then take the penalty.</p>
<p>He handed the Patriots some rope to see what they would do with it.  8 seconds was a long time to try to make a play.  If they would have noticed, they could have spiked the ball, gotten the penalty and a stop on the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: rmc1995</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rmc1995]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If 12 men participate in the play it is a 15 yard penalty. This is called illegal participation. Buddy Ryan only did the goaline because the penalty is obviously very little. The scenario in this article is 12 men on the field where a player is trying to get off the field. No real advantage so only 5 yard penalty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 12 men participate in the play it is a 15 yard penalty. This is called illegal participation. Buddy Ryan only did the goaline because the penalty is obviously very little. The scenario in this article is 12 men on the field where a player is trying to get off the field. No real advantage so only 5 yard penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: deadeye</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deadeye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the fix:

The penalty is five yards per player over 11.  so 13 players is a ten yard penalty, 14 players is fifteen yards, and so on.

Whenever this penalty occurs with less than 2 minutes (or another time allotment if necessary), the time is put back on the clock.

If these two aspects of the rule were adopted, it would never be in a team&#039;s interest to have more than 11 players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the fix:</p>
<p>The penalty is five yards per player over 11.  so 13 players is a ten yard penalty, 14 players is fifteen yards, and so on.</p>
<p>Whenever this penalty occurs with less than 2 minutes (or another time allotment if necessary), the time is put back on the clock.</p>
<p>If these two aspects of the rule were adopted, it would never be in a team&#8217;s interest to have more than 11 players.</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melikefootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow some other coach beat Bel I  Cheat at his own game, so now as usual the league pats the Pats on the back and will look into changing the rules. Bel I  Cheat gets caught cheating and what happened to him , nothing in the schme of things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow some other coach beat Bel I  Cheat at his own game, so now as usual the league pats the Pats on the back and will look into changing the rules. Bel I  Cheat gets caught cheating and what happened to him , nothing in the schme of things.</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melikefootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More rules for the officials that already have a hard time figuring out from game to game waht and when something is called.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More rules for the officials that already have a hard time figuring out from game to game waht and when something is called.</p>
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		<title>By: tatum064</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/league-not-commenting-on-possible-changes-to-12-men-penalty/#comment-1566468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatum064]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[patsfiend says:
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.

If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.

==============

what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.

You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it.  It just wasn&#039;t your day, PERIOD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patsfiend says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM<br />
Has anyone figured out if he did this on purpose? If so, kudos to him… he out-Belichicked Belichick. Losing that time was killer. By the looks of them all standing around, with no one trying to get off the field… it looked like it was on purpose to me.</p>
<p>If BB did such a thing, all the “cheating” whiners would be out in force, for sure, but kudos to Coughlin (from this Pats fan) if he worked this penalty to the Giants advantage. Un-frikken-believable.</p>
<p>==============</p>
<p>what was u-frikken-believable, were the 2 drops that preceded the play (Hernandez then Dion Branch), then the two other fumbles the Pats didnt come up with.</p>
<p>You lost, AGAIN. Move on. Eli made an incredible throw to Mario Manningham , and you know it.  It just wasn&#8217;t your day, PERIOD.</p>
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		<title>By: tatum064</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatum064]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No rule change in the world is stopping a team with more heart that makes plays to win a Super Bowl.

End of story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No rule change in the world is stopping a team with more heart that makes plays to win a Super Bowl.</p>
<p>End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: briang123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[briang123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buddy Ryan actually had this in the playbook.  He called it the &quot;Polish goalline.&quot;  I kid you not.

This rule has got to be changed this offseason.  It is going to become a fad like &quot;icing the kicker&quot; and now that everyone is talking about it, the know-it-all-media will be criticizing coaches for NOT employing this tactic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy Ryan actually had this in the playbook.  He called it the &#8220;Polish goalline.&#8221;  I kid you not.</p>
<p>This rule has got to be changed this offseason.  It is going to become a fad like &#8220;icing the kicker&#8221; and now that everyone is talking about it, the know-it-all-media will be criticizing coaches for NOT employing this tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: 2010worldchamppack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2010worldchamppack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[danthman42 says:
Feb 7, 2012 4:46 PM
roadtrip makes a good point..are they gonna start putting time back on the clock for defensive offsides too? because as a defense, you could take this same principle and apply it to offsides (not to mention pass interference, holding, etc).

just line up two d-ends on the offensive side of the ball…if the quarterback isn’t smart enough to immediately take a knee, he could waste 3 or 4 seconds dropping back before he gets sacked. it should be on the offense to recognize the situation and adjust accordingly.
_________________________________

No...you can&#039;t lineup defensive players on the offensive side...This is called unabated  to the quaterback. the play is whistled dead and the five yards are tacked on..No time would be run off the clock if the clock was stopped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danthman42 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 4:46 PM<br />
roadtrip makes a good point..are they gonna start putting time back on the clock for defensive offsides too? because as a defense, you could take this same principle and apply it to offsides (not to mention pass interference, holding, etc).</p>
<p>just line up two d-ends on the offensive side of the ball…if the quarterback isn’t smart enough to immediately take a knee, he could waste 3 or 4 seconds dropping back before he gets sacked. it should be on the offense to recognize the situation and adjust accordingly.<br />
_________________________________</p>
<p>No&#8230;you can&#8217;t lineup defensive players on the offensive side&#8230;This is called unabated  to the quaterback. the play is whistled dead and the five yards are tacked on..No time would be run off the clock if the clock was stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: hooky40</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hooky40]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just curious, but once the ball is snapped and Tuck is on the field of play without his helmet on, shouldn&#039;t that be 15 yard penalty?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, but once the ball is snapped and Tuck is on the field of play without his helmet on, shouldn&#8217;t that be 15 yard penalty?</p>
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		<title>By: firethorn1001</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firethorn1001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;You can’t say ‘well we’ll use the time IF it benefits us, but if it doesn’t, and we have an incomplete or other negative outcome, then we’d like the time back.’ It doesn’t work like that.&#039;

______________________________

Umm.. ya it does.  How about when the defense jumps offsides and the offense gets a &#039;free play&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;You can’t say ‘well we’ll use the time IF it benefits us, but if it doesn’t, and we have an incomplete or other negative outcome, then we’d like the time back.’ It doesn’t work like that.&#8217;</p>
<p>______________________________</p>
<p>Umm.. ya it does.  How about when the defense jumps offsides and the offense gets a &#8216;free play&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: danthman42</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danthman42]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[roadtrip makes a good point..are they gonna start putting time back on the clock for defensive offsides too? because as a defense, you could take this same principle and apply it to offsides (not to mention pass interference, holding, etc).

 just line up two d-ends on the offensive side of the ball...if the quarterback isn&#039;t smart enough to immediately take a knee, he could waste 3 or 4 seconds dropping back before he gets sacked. it should be on the offense to recognize the situation and adjust accordingly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roadtrip makes a good point..are they gonna start putting time back on the clock for defensive offsides too? because as a defense, you could take this same principle and apply it to offsides (not to mention pass interference, holding, etc).</p>
<p> just line up two d-ends on the offensive side of the ball&#8230;if the quarterback isn&#8217;t smart enough to immediately take a knee, he could waste 3 or 4 seconds dropping back before he gets sacked. it should be on the offense to recognize the situation and adjust accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: bspurloc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bspurloc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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cuz coughlin KNEW brady was going to dance around and throw the ball deep not a shorter sideline pass

18-1 = loss
9-7 = SB x2!]]></description>
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cuz coughlin KNEW brady was going to dance around and throw the ball deep not a shorter sideline pass</p>
<p>18-1 = loss<br />
9-7 = SB x2!</p>
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		<title>By: 2sausage11</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[east96st says: 
Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM 
“So your saying the Giants cheated to win! put an * next to their SB win”

Ahhh, 2sausage, I LOVE how this game is destroying you!! This is almost as much fun as winning the game. 1) You know nothing about football. You predicted Ocho Noshow would be the MVP of the Super Bowl and that NE would destroy the Giants 2) The Pats committed the same exact penalty earlier in the game while the Giants were driving to score 3) No proof at all it was intentional 4) NY will take the * when NE forfeits all three of their Super Bowl wins and hands the Lombardi trophies over to the opposing teams. After all, the Commish destroyed all the evidence of NE’s videotaping, so we all know it had to be really dirty for the NFL to destroy all the evidence. Your misery is so much fun after the last 2 weeks of your incessant trolling. Rarely does life punish an assclown such as yourself as quickly and as effectively as this.
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LOL you think this is destroying me. I posted this for all the Pats haters that can&#039;t get over the past 10yrs of NE dominance. Yes I trash talked sue me. I took it like a MAN and said congrats. The way you follow my posts makes it look like you have a man crush on me. The answer to your next question is NO i won&#039;t date you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>east96st says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM<br />
“So your saying the Giants cheated to win! put an * next to their SB win”</p>
<p>Ahhh, 2sausage, I LOVE how this game is destroying you!! This is almost as much fun as winning the game. 1) You know nothing about football. You predicted Ocho Noshow would be the MVP of the Super Bowl and that NE would destroy the Giants 2) The Pats committed the same exact penalty earlier in the game while the Giants were driving to score 3) No proof at all it was intentional 4) NY will take the * when NE forfeits all three of their Super Bowl wins and hands the Lombardi trophies over to the opposing teams. After all, the Commish destroyed all the evidence of NE’s videotaping, so we all know it had to be really dirty for the NFL to destroy all the evidence. Your misery is so much fun after the last 2 weeks of your incessant trolling. Rarely does life punish an assclown such as yourself as quickly and as effectively as this.<br />
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LOL you think this is destroying me. I posted this for all the Pats haters that can&#8217;t get over the past 10yrs of NE dominance. Yes I trash talked sue me. I took it like a MAN and said congrats. The way you follow my posts makes it look like you have a man crush on me. The answer to your next question is NO i won&#8217;t date you</p>
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		<title>By: buzzbissinger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having difficulty getting comments published as of late; guess I need to throw in &quot;Belecheat&quot; or &quot;Patriots are 0-2 in Superbowls after spygate&quot; That should do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having difficulty getting comments published as of late; guess I need to throw in &#8220;Belecheat&#8221; or &#8220;Patriots are 0-2 in Superbowls after spygate&#8221; That should do it.</p>
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		<title>By: badmude</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah but the league will keep the &quot;Tuck Rule&quot; in tact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but the league will keep the &#8220;Tuck Rule&#8221; in tact.</p>
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		<title>By: alvint69</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing to fix here!  If the offense doesn&#039;t want time to go off of the clock, they can just spike the ball and take the penalty.  Offenses get paid a lot of money to understand the game situation.  If they don&#039;t, and take time they need off of the clock when they don&#039;t have to, it&#039;s their own fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing to fix here!  If the offense doesn&#8217;t want time to go off of the clock, they can just spike the ball and take the penalty.  Offenses get paid a lot of money to understand the game situation.  If they don&#8217;t, and take time they need off of the clock when they don&#8217;t have to, it&#8217;s their own fault.</p>
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		<title>By: nebster21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nebster21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course they are not going to comment after the &quot;New York&quot; Giants won the superbowl.  Now had the Benglas, Raiders, Redskins, Bills, Vikings, and so on had won the superbowl Goodell would have been down on the field making the change right then and there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they are not going to comment after the &#8220;New York&#8221; Giants won the superbowl.  Now had the Benglas, Raiders, Redskins, Bills, Vikings, and so on had won the superbowl Goodell would have been down on the field making the change right then and there.</p>
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		<title>By: east96st</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This needs to be addressed but not as much as the injury faking the Giants have mastered. JPP and Rolle did it in the Super Bowl&quot;

Didn&#039;t watch the game did you? Yes, it&#039;s completely plausible that the Giants spent all season working on having another defender drive his helmet into JPP&#039;s head and neck at full speed in order to &quot;fake&quot; an injury. The only thing that could have been &quot;faked&quot; on that injury was whether JPP really passed the concussion test. If you want to debate that, then you may be onto something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This needs to be addressed but not as much as the injury faking the Giants have mastered. JPP and Rolle did it in the Super Bowl&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t watch the game did you? Yes, it&#8217;s completely plausible that the Giants spent all season working on having another defender drive his helmet into JPP&#8217;s head and neck at full speed in order to &#8220;fake&#8221; an injury. The only thing that could have been &#8220;faked&#8221; on that injury was whether JPP really passed the concussion test. If you want to debate that, then you may be onto something.</p>
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		<title>By: roadtrip3500</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For everyone suggesting this is a dead-ball foul... it can&#039;t be a dead-ball foul because it&#039;s not illegal &lt;i&gt;until the ball is snapped.&lt;/i&gt;  The extra defender has the opportunity to get off the field before the ball is snapped.  This is not the same foul as an illegal huddle on offense.

This overreaction by the media and the masses because of 1 play a year is getting out of hand.  If they&#039;re going to put time back on the clock for this, then you need to also do it for &lt;b&gt;every&lt;/b&gt; defensive penalty, because they all have the same net effect on the clock.  A D-lineman jumps offside and the QB thinks &quot;free play&quot; - he doesn&#039;t think &quot;I should take a knee because otherwise, it&#039;ll use up clock.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone suggesting this is a dead-ball foul&#8230; it can&#8217;t be a dead-ball foul because it&#8217;s not illegal <i>until the ball is snapped.</i>  The extra defender has the opportunity to get off the field before the ball is snapped.  This is not the same foul as an illegal huddle on offense.</p>
<p>This overreaction by the media and the masses because of 1 play a year is getting out of hand.  If they&#8217;re going to put time back on the clock for this, then you need to also do it for <b>every</b> defensive penalty, because they all have the same net effect on the clock.  A D-lineman jumps offside and the QB thinks &#8220;free play&#8221; &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t think &#8220;I should take a knee because otherwise, it&#8217;ll use up clock.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mikewatson66</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coughlin didn&#039;t do it on purpose.  First off it&#039;s not really his style.  Even forgetting that, the extra man was Tuck, and he didn&#039;t even have his helmet on when the ball was snapped and he was running off the field.  I actually remember thinking that the Pats snapped the ball really quickly for that play, which makes sense since they needed a TD, but it seemed like Tuck just didn&#039;t realize he needed to get off the field until it was to late.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/11/2012/02/screen_shot_2012-02-06_at_12.52.21_pm.png

Also if the pass had been completed the Pats would have declined the penalty and we wouldn&#039;t even be having this discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coughlin didn&#8217;t do it on purpose.  First off it&#8217;s not really his style.  Even forgetting that, the extra man was Tuck, and he didn&#8217;t even have his helmet on when the ball was snapped and he was running off the field.  I actually remember thinking that the Pats snapped the ball really quickly for that play, which makes sense since they needed a TD, but it seemed like Tuck just didn&#8217;t realize he needed to get off the field until it was to late.</p>
<p><a href="http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/11/2012/02/screen_shot_2012-02-06_at_12.52.21_pm.png" rel="nofollow">http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/11/2012/02/screen_shot_2012-02-06_at_12.52.21_pm.png</a></p>
<p>Also if the pass had been completed the Pats would have declined the penalty and we wouldn&#8217;t even be having this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: PFTiswhatitis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;rcali says:Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM 

If they don’t do something to close the hole on this one Belicheat will be using it non-stop.
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oh you mean like Coughlin and Chili did?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;rcali says:Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM </p>
<p>If they don’t do something to close the hole on this one Belicheat will be using it non-stop.<br />
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<p>oh you mean like Coughlin and Chili did?</p>
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		<title>By: dccowboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, just do what they do for offensive penalties in the last minute, but, instead of taking 10 seconds off the clock, put 10 seconds back on the clock from the time the play that resulted in a defensive penalty started. 

So, if the play starts with 39 secs left, the offensive team gets the result of the play or a 5 yard advance &amp; the next play starts with 49 seconds on the clock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just do what they do for offensive penalties in the last minute, but, instead of taking 10 seconds off the clock, put 10 seconds back on the clock from the time the play that resulted in a defensive penalty started. </p>
<p>So, if the play starts with 39 secs left, the offensive team gets the result of the play or a 5 yard advance &amp; the next play starts with 49 seconds on the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: castleofcheese</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[castleofcheese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[champsb3233 says:
Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM
Go to the high school rule.

If the officials see more than 11 on the field at the snap, blow it dead, just like a false start. 5 yards.

If the officials don’t see it at the snap, then it’s 15 yards. And if it’s in the last two minutes, put the time back on the clock if it’s not noticed until after the play begins.
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You want to penalize the team for the ref not seeing it right at the snap?  That doesn&#039;t make any sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>champsb3233 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM<br />
Go to the high school rule.</p>
<p>If the officials see more than 11 on the field at the snap, blow it dead, just like a false start. 5 yards.</p>
<p>If the officials don’t see it at the snap, then it’s 15 yards. And if it’s in the last two minutes, put the time back on the clock if it’s not noticed until after the play begins.<br />
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You want to penalize the team for the ref not seeing it right at the snap?  That doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisexv6</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@champsb3233:

So you&#039;re making it even worse on the offending team based on if the officials see it or not?  That doesnt seem to make sense.  Look at all the other calls the officials DO see and STILL get wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@champsb3233:</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re making it even worse on the offending team based on if the officials see it or not?  That doesnt seem to make sense.  Look at all the other calls the officials DO see and STILL get wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: castleofcheese</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[castleofcheese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2sausage11 says:
Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM
So your saying the Giants cheated to win! put an * next to their SB win
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It&#039;s not really cheating.  It&#039;s not the Giants&#039; fault that the rule isn&#039;t properly penalized.  They found a way to sort of play around the rule and I think many, if not all, smart coaches would do the same in that situation.

And no, I&#039;m not a Giants fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2sausage11 says:<br />
Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM<br />
So your saying the Giants cheated to win! put an * next to their SB win<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
It&#8217;s not really cheating.  It&#8217;s not the Giants&#8217; fault that the rule isn&#8217;t properly penalized.  They found a way to sort of play around the rule and I think many, if not all, smart coaches would do the same in that situation.</p>
<p>And no, I&#8217;m not a Giants fan.</p>
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