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On Brady and scapegoats

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MDS posted reaction the other day to one of the dumbest things written in the aftermath of the Patriots loss in Super Bowl XLVI. The post got a huge reaction. You guys mostly agreed with MDS.

Before it gets too late, I wanted to pass along links to three of the smartest things I’ve seen written about the Patriots loss.

Tom Curran of CSNNE.com dived deep into Tom Brady’s performance against the Giants. Curran compared the criticism on Brady after the game to New Year’s Eve: Amateur hour.

The difference between winning and losing a Super Bowl can be frustratingly small. Random. If Wes Welker holds on to that pass, we are probably talking about Brady carrying this Patriots team all year. Now he’s not the same old Tom Brady.

Jackie MacMullan of ESPNBoston.com tried to get the city of Boston to take a deep breath. The Patriots were narrowly beat by a better team. Sometimes that’s hard to accept.

Howard Bryant of ESPN.com wrote about our culture’s focus on negativity and the losing team in sports. It’s a great column and a great point. There has been more talk about Billy Cundiff, Lee Evans, Kyle Williams, and Wes Welker the last few weeks than the victorious teams.”

“Media and expectations have changed everything,” Charles Barkley told Bryant. “Everyone’s afraid of it because if you miss a shot, if you miss a play, that overshadows the whole series, your whole career. So guys just want a ring, but they don’t want to risk losing. If you don’t want to risk losing, you shouldn’t even be playing.”

This post won’t get the same reaction as the one where Brady was called “hideous” by an attention-seeking writer from Boston.com. But hopefully the pieces above better reflect some of the great writing done by Boston writers in the aftermath of another Super Bowl loss.

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  1. haroldballsagna says: Feb 9, 2012 5:36 PM

    no one cares anymore

  2. bearsrulepackdrool says: Feb 9, 2012 5:37 PM

    Howard Bryant of ESPN.com wrote about our culture’s focus on negativity and the losing team in sports. It’s a great column and a great point. There has been more talk about Billy Cundiff, Lee Evans, Kyle Williams, and Wes Welker the last few weeks than the victorious teams.”

    _____________________________

    That’s because the Giants are pricks. No one wants to celebrate a team that’s been gloating this entire time.

    - Canty predicted a win.
    - Giants website predicting a win.
    - Antrelle Rolle predicting a win.

    They had this arrogant attitude ever since the playoffs started. It’s good to have confidence but don’t rub it in.

    In other news, Packers need to fold.

  3. packersareandwillalwaysbebetterthanthebears says: Feb 9, 2012 5:38 PM

    Brady was never a very athletic quarterback to begin with and now that he has gotten older and had a knee injury, he’s less athletic. He’s not perfect, he’s just like any other quarterback and he can’t complete passes on his back. The Giants are a better team, they have his number and have a defense that did a great job of stopping a great quarterback.

  4. bleedburgandyandgold says: Feb 9, 2012 5:43 PM

    Agree with Charles

  5. rkingndayton says: Feb 9, 2012 5:45 PM

    Excellent insight and I agree! TB has been more consistent than any QB in the past few years (you may legitimately argue that PM should be in that discussion too) and everyone is always waiting to dissect his body of work.

  6. ampats says: Feb 9, 2012 5:46 PM

    The part of Giselle’s rant that was not reported was that not only did she say her husband can’t throw the ball and catch it himself, she was also overheard saying Brady can’t tackle Giant players while sitting on the Patriots sidelines.

    Brady did not lose the game as a matter of fact he carried the team this whole season.How many teams have won more than 10 games every season since 2002?
    One, the Patriots because they are rebuiling the team while remaining competitive every year.

    With $$ under the cap they will sign FA’s along with their 4 picks in the 1st two rounds continue to rebuild.

    Patriot fans can look forward to next season and know that the Patriots could end their season next February with the confetti falling on the Mercedes/Superdome floor.

  7. duanethomas says: Feb 9, 2012 5:46 PM

    Welker didn’t catch the pass and the Pats lost. Let’s not let the Boston/East coast media turn this away from Brady. He is no longer in discussion as a heir to Montana. He has lost his last two SuperBowls and since 07 his playoff record and performances in the playoffs have been average. No excuses. Football is a bottomline business and Brady fair or not, did not get the job done.

  8. damnyankee13 says: Feb 9, 2012 5:47 PM

    “if you dont want to risk losing, you shouldn’t even be playing” Charles Barkley hits the nail on the head

  9. rc33 says: Feb 9, 2012 5:50 PM

    Bryant was dead on about the negativity; someone always has to be blamed. One winner and 31 losers each and every season? Really?
    Tom Brady has won 5 Conference Championships in10 years, won 3 Super Bowls but now, apparently, is a loser? So who’s a winner?
    Anyone out there with a better track record than that?
    Thank heavens for the NCAA basketball tournament; likely the only event where winning your regional and reaching to the Final Four is…at places other than Kentucky and maybe a couple others…considered a significant and proud achievement for your university.

  10. patriotera says: Feb 9, 2012 5:50 PM

    “…and the agony of defeat” That ski jumper had made lots of great jumps before he crashed on the ramp. But everyone who used to watch Wide World of Sports knows what I’m referring to.
    There’s something wrong in Patriots land though. Would Bruschi have been out partying after that loss??

  11. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 9, 2012 5:53 PM

    “If Wes Welker holds on to that pass, we are probably
    talking about Brady carrying this Patriots team
    all year. Now he’s not the same old Tom Brady.”

    ———————————————————-

    Boston fans have always searched for the
    absolute easiest scapegoat they could find.

    They put all the blame for the 1986 Series loss
    on Buckner when it was only partly his fault.

    Poor relief pitching and poor coaching decisions
    during Game 6 had as much (if not more) to do
    with the Sox losing than just the Buckner error.

    But one must remember Boston fans are not interested
    in the real truth. They are only looking to make themselves
    feel better by making some poor scapegoat feel worse…

  12. captainspaulding22 says: Feb 9, 2012 5:54 PM

    That may be the most intelligent thing Charles Barkley has ever said.

  13. dubblelznhell says: Feb 9, 2012 5:54 PM

    Speaking of scapegoats….how come I can be totally uncensored on PHT, but whenever I try to be truthful and direct on PFT my comments don’t show up half the time? If I’m not nicey-nice, PFT won’t post my piece. At least my comments show up right away on PHT, no matter the content.

  14. max says: Feb 9, 2012 5:55 PM

    Great piece. Couldn’t agree more.

  15. rexismybff says: Feb 9, 2012 5:57 PM

    The reality is that, as in the majority of playoff games since 2005, Brady was outplayed by the guy on the other team.

    He’s turned into what he previously loathed – Dan Marino or Warren Moon – great in September and October, but not much once the games really count.

  16. kleppnasty says: Feb 9, 2012 5:57 PM

    Saying he doesn’t care was terrible in the first article, but saying that he played well is actually worse.
    If we’re comparing him to Grossman or McCoy, then yes, his game was good. But this is Tom Brady, we need to compare his performance to Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc etc. His performance by that standard was very bad.
    He miss fired on the famous Wes Welker “drop”. He had the entire third of the field to lay the ball in there and threw it behind him.
    Brady is still one of the greats, but that performance on Sunday was average at best, and for a player of his caliber, terrible.

  17. barryblogs says: Feb 9, 2012 5:58 PM

    Totally correct on all fronts. I’m a lifelong Patriots fan and the blaming of Brady, his wife, and Welker has to stop. It has gone way too far – this last decade of Patriots football has been a gift. We all have to take a breath and move on.

  18. bushido49ers says: Feb 9, 2012 6:01 PM

    Tom Brady is still one of the All Time Greats. He was just beaten by a better team. Very simple.

  19. lawboy2000 says: Feb 9, 2012 6:06 PM

    I blame parity. Teams are so evenly matched that most of the time it is only the mistakes that separate them instead of superior play.

    We should be talking about Manningham making a catch more than Welker dropping one. But even that is all about expectations: Welker is expected to catch that pass; Manningham is expected to be too close to the sideline to give E. Manning room to make the throw (NBC sure had that very specific graphic ready in a hurry for Collinsworth).

    What strikes me is that this is just so very different than post-Super Bowl XLV when the focus was rightly on Rodgers’ precision and Matthews Jr. big hit for the fumble. There was little to be heard about Roethlisberger’s pick-6 (clearly the difference in that game) or his inability to orchestrate another 4th quarter game winning drive. There was little focus of Mendenhall’s inability to hold onto the ball or William Gay’s inability to strecth 6 more inches to tip the ball away from GB receivers.

    Perhaps that just reflects the difference between Green Bay/Pittsburgh fans and New York/Boston fans.

  20. weepingjebus says: Feb 9, 2012 6:28 PM

    Brady is one of the greats. The Patriots are a threat to go all the way every year he’s on the active roster. I just wish the team could find a way to consistently get him some good WRs and at least an average defense so we could see his full potential over a career.

  21. drew05 says: Feb 9, 2012 6:37 PM

    Blame “Spygate”…

    Without cheating the Pats have won nothing…

    Without knowing what the defense is doing in the playoffs…the Pats have won nothing…

    That “defensive genious” of a coach they have has won nothing since his defense fell apart…

    The Patriots cheated 3 teams from Superbowl…nevermind the teams they beat to get to the play-offs, or the teams they beat in the playoffs…

    I am an Eagles fan…I now have to listen to all the “Empty trophy case clan” smack talk…all the “How many Lombardi trophy…”

    Blah..Blah…Blah…

    But I was rooting for the G-men with all my heart and soul…

    Bill-a-cheat and Brady have won nothing since they were caught cheating.

    I love saying that!

  22. bragerber says: Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM

    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context.

  23. tweeter75 says: Feb 9, 2012 6:41 PM

    All big name athletes take some heat at some point in their careers. Heat for not being able to win the big game, missing a throw, missing a catch, etc., etc. We’ve all seen this before, it’s nothing new.

    The media and everyone else is going wild over the Patriots loss, throwing Welker, Brady, the other receivers, and anyone else under the bus under the bus.

    For those of you who read my posts, you most certainly know I’m no Patriots or Brady fan.

    The media, the Boston fans, and everyone else needs to take a deep breath.

    Brady gets a lion’s share of the credit when the Patriots succeed, so this criticism is even more magnified and turned into a soap opera in the media and by us, the football fans, when they lose.

  24. The Prophet says: Feb 9, 2012 6:48 PM

    For the other goats like Kyle Williams and Wes Welker, etc. their criticism is deserved. Not because the media is choosing to change focus, but because there were several guys in these playoffs that made very obvious and noticable F-ups, that literally cost their teams the win in close games. Not unfair coverage at all.

  25. northsidesteel says: Feb 9, 2012 7:04 PM

    Anyone that denies Brady’s talent and desire apparently pays no attention to the NFL. I hate the Patriots and Brady.. because he is as good as he is.

  26. jharmon64 says: Feb 9, 2012 7:04 PM

    If Welker catches that pass, that gets them a first down, not a touch down. People keep assuming a TD. A field goal and the game isn’t sealed.

  27. bradwins says: Feb 9, 2012 7:08 PM

    As a Patriots fan, the loss to the Giants hurt. But the subsequent hysteria from the media and football fans – Pats and non-Pats fans alike – has been just as disappointing to me. The opinionsphere is just a race to the bottom in terms of opinions. Thoughtful analysis is ignored and sensationalism is rewarded with clicks and responses, and it sets the tone for discussion.

  28. hooterdawg says: Feb 9, 2012 7:09 PM

    Typical homer article by this writer. The whole MHK patch thing was overdone by the NFL and the Patriots all season in an effort to become the All-Sympathy team in America’s hearts. God would make sure that the Patriots win it all for Myra. It was the same media who built Brady up into a clutch God – on the level of Joe Montana – that finally realized that he is not quite elite to sieze immortality with the ball and 57 seconds. The stage was set like few QBs ever see. The script and opportunity was handed to Brady – every kids dream – but he failed to deliver. Another way to look at the situation is that God didn’t consider Brady or the Patriots deserving of all the accolades that would certainly be showered upon them with a last minute clutch victory. There is still that little matter of Spygate that He hasn’t quite forgotten.

  29. marcuswelby70 says: Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM

    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
    .
    —————————————————-

    Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
    Those would be playoff wins/losses

  30. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM

    Guess that answers the question. What is the problem?

  31. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 7:18 PM

    I’ll just post all about it on other sites. Sooner or later, NBC will start asking questions about the way commenters are treated on this site.

  32. c0ldestwinter says: Feb 9, 2012 7:20 PM

    Nobody needs to make excuses for Brady, his mistakes are being magnified because they came late but the game he played still could have won the super bowl if Eli didn’t work that magic in the last 3 minutes.

    This is more a reflection of our society and the overzealous media, who can only stay relevant by getting there first and loudest. That leads to a lot of conclusion-jumping.

    Did anyone see Austin Rivers dribble 15 seconds off the clock before shooting with less than a second left last night? If he misses that shot, he’s a selfish idiot for not giving his teammates a chance at a rebound. It goes in, and he’s the guy who carried the team to victory.

  33. situsavaisprier says: Feb 9, 2012 7:23 PM

    OK, the real two goats in these play-offs are Kyle Williams and Lee Evans. I am not much on Williams for the 2nd fumble that was knocked out, but the first one. You are told to get as far away from the bouncing ball, which can have a funny bounce to it. He didn’t and it cost him.

    Evans should’ve caught that pass. I know Brown did well not giving up and playing until the end, but Evans needed to secure it. Cundiff had a horrible kick, but it should have never came down to it.

    People overate the “if it’s in your hands you catch it” phrase. I’ve watched Wes Welker for many years. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Welker usually doesn’t make these types of catches. The ones he needs to go up for that is. He’ll catch others and instantly turn upfield to get YAC, but he’s not known for these catches. I know people will say things like “but he’s a WR”. True, but you have to consider the type of WR. For instance, would you throw a jump ball for Welker in the endzone?

    The real drop was Aaron Hernandez, not even Deion Branch. Kenny Phillips played the ball and the ball went through his hands and went near Branch. Patriots played hard, had a great gameplan but lost. Giants were the better team IMO.

  34. kelvinmchale says: Feb 9, 2012 7:24 PM

    The best analysis can be heard in the Gisele video. Catch the bleepin’ ball! Make a play for your quarterback, it’s the frickin’ Super Bowl!

  35. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 7:27 PM

    Your day will come.

  36. CKL says: Feb 9, 2012 7:44 PM

    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context.
    ____________________________
    Sure, since the team has been built more on offense due to the rebuilding of the D, even more has been expected of TB. But if he doesn’t play well, he doesn’t play well. He wasn’t on point in the AFCC but as he said, the D bailed him out. Sometimes he plays well enough to win and they lose anyway, just like what happens with PM sometimes. The PM playoff game that springs to mind that I compare to TB’s in the SB is the “protection problem” game against Pitt in the playoffs in 05. PM did enough to win, the Colts D (which was PHENOMENAL in 05) did enough to win too. Pitt just took advantage of some mistakes and breaks to win. Indy got a break when Troy’s INT was not called and INT and they didn’t take advantage of it. That’s pretty close to how SB 46 played out. The team whose mistakes didn’t cost them and who took advantage of the other team’s mistakes won.

    The difference is that PM never that I’ve ever heard stands up after a game and says he made a mistake or played poorly. TB does that a lot.

    Believe me when I tell you that Pats fans I know of are much tougher on TB most of the time than I’ve ever seen Colts fans be on PM. Some of us picked on TB when he stopped coming to 100% of offseason NON MANDATORY workouts after 2007 for heaven’s sake.

    In fairness this could be partly due to the mentality of our respective franchises. The Pats are all about “next man up, do your job” and BB never flinched when TB lost the whole season in 08 and TB wouldn’t be near the team publicly because it would create a distraction. Colts have always been about “PM is the franchise” all the time, Polian would always scream at anyone who dared criticize him, PM doesn’t handle public criticism well and the whole team was built around offense the whole time he was there. And they allowed PM to dominate all the media coverage of their team by having him on the sidelines which encouraged that PM IS THE TEAM mentality.

    I hope for the sake of Colts fans it will change. I’ve always hated the way Polian builds teams because I don’t think it can win many championships in a team sport like football. I think it will. It sounds like Mr. Irsay is making some good changes starting with a great hire of an energetic former DC for HC and a GM who has been part of a successful organization in Phi. I don’t think your team will be down for long.

  37. patriotera says: Feb 9, 2012 7:45 PM

    I think a lot of people thought the Pats defense was going to be what gave up the ghost in this game and when it turned out to be the offense that could have won it but chocked it made a lot of people disappointed and questioning why.

  38. afc22 says: Feb 9, 2012 7:46 PM

    brady is one of the all time greats no matter what he does from here on in, and almost every team in the league would take him for 2012 if they were lucky enough to have that choice.

    having said that, he doesn’t need to be the scapegoat for people to analyze what he did or didn’t do properly. He was 2 for his last 10 in a tight game and was the primary reason Gronkowski, Welker, Branch and Branch again didn’t catch passes when they were open.

    It’s not his fault the team lost, he’s still the best player on the team and made more than his share of plays….if anyone should be blamed it’s Belichick the GM who put that motley group out on the field. Belichick the coach and Brady did more than anyone could ask just getting them to the SB

  39. dsigrey says: Feb 9, 2012 7:49 PM

    No one talks about the 4 times Joe Montana went 1 and done in the playoffs and the fact that he was horrible from 85 -87. Does losing in the later rounds make Brady that much worse??? If this media was around then, Joe would be a bum too.

  40. bozosforall says: Feb 9, 2012 7:49 PM

    marcuswelby70 says:
    Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM
    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
    .
    —————————————————-

    Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
    Those would be playoff wins/losses

    __
    Name/Playoff QB rating/PlayoffComp%/Playoff TD-INT

    Joe Montana/95.6/62.7/45-21
    Eli Manning/89.0/61.5/17-7
    Peyton Manning/88.4/63.1/29-19
    Tom Brady/86.0/62.3/38-20

    Those would be individual performance measurement numbers…wins are a TEAM statistic.

  41. bobhk says: Feb 9, 2012 7:53 PM

    The reason for this negativity from non-pats fans is that we’ve got sick and tired of having “Brady is the greatest QB ever” and “Belichick is the best coach ever” showed down our throats for many years.

    Naturally we are happy to see the Pats lose.

    We can now put to rest that Brady is not the greatest ever (even tho he’s great).

    Welker should have caught that ball but it was poorly thrown, especially since he was wide open. Witness Manning to Manningham for a clutch play.
    Brady’s been mediocre in the playoffs for the last few years.

  42. TheWizard says: Feb 9, 2012 8:04 PM

    He is no longer in discussion as a heir to Montana

    He’s taken his team to more Super Bowls than Joe did, and his career isn’t over yet.

    In the salary cap era.

  43. TheWizard says: Feb 9, 2012 8:08 PM

    Without cheating the Pats have won nothing…

    …..except win 18 straight games in one season.

    Never done before or since.

    If that’s no big deal, let’s see somebody else do it.

  44. jkcranshaw says: Feb 9, 2012 8:12 PM

    jharmon64 says: Feb 9, 2012 7:04 PM

    If Welker catches that pass, that gets them a first down, not a touch down. People keep assuming a TD. A field goal and the game isn’t sealed.

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    A field goal would have likely left the Giants with no time outs and under 2 minutes to cover 80 yards down by 5 needing a touchdown (which they had a hard time getting all day). Not exactly sealing the deal for the Pats, but also not exactly easy on the Giants either….

  45. 6ball says: Feb 9, 2012 8:16 PM

    .

    drew05

    “The Patriots have won nothing since spygate. I love saying that.

    Keep saying drew ……it keeps the focus off your “dream team “. And honestly I think 2012 could be the year the NFL takes their 3 championship trophies away.

    Have you considered “tebowing “?

    .

  46. jamarcuslives says: Feb 9, 2012 8:39 PM

    packersareandwillalwaysbebetterthanthebears says:
    Feb 9, 2012 5:38 PM
    Brady was never a very athletic quarterback to begin with and now that he has gotten older and had a knee injury, he’s less athletic. He’s not perfect, he’s just like any other quarterback and he can’t complete passes on his back. The Giants are a better team, they have his number and have a defense that did a great job of stopping a great quarterback.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Great point. The Giants’ pass rush is this dude’s kryptonite. If I was a coach and had to play the Giants with my job on the line, and I had a choice between Brady and Vick at QB, Vick is my guy 11 times out of 10!

  47. jamarcuslives says: Feb 9, 2012 8:40 PM

    1

  48. bobhk says: Feb 9, 2012 8:41 PM

    TheWizard says:
    Feb 9, 2012 8:04 PM
    He is no longer in discussion as a heir to Montana

    He’s taken his team to more Super Bowls than Joe did, and his career isn’t over yet.

    In the salary cap era.
    ——–
    Elway also took his team to more superbowls than Montana. No one is putting him ahead of Joe. Since when does going to a superbowl qualify you above a guy who went to 4 and *never* lost.

    His window for winning another one is closing fast. Do you know how many QBs have won the superbowl after 35? One. When Brady gets to another and actually wins we can discuss his candidacy.

    Joe did not have salary cap, but he did face defenses that could mug his receivers and beat him up.

    Try that for pretty boy Brady.

  49. bozosforall says: Feb 9, 2012 8:42 PM

    TheWizard says:
    Feb 9, 2012 8:04 PM
    He is no longer in discussion as a heir to Montana

    He’s taken his team to more Super Bowls than Joe did, and his career isn’t over yet.

    In the salary cap era.

    _
    Actually, his team has taken him to more Super Bowls than Joe’s team did.

    Let’s be accurate about this.

  50. bozosforall says: Feb 9, 2012 8:50 PM

    TheWizard says:
    Feb 9, 2012 8:08 PM
    Without cheating the Pats have won nothing…

    …..except win 18 straight games in one season.

    Never done before or since.

    If that’s no big deal, let’s see somebody else do it.

    __
    Meaningless if you lose the one that matters most.

    Montana and the Niners went 18-1 once…of course, they won the one that counted the most…the Super Bowl.

    Sorry, Wiz…but without the title, no one is really impressed with a consecutive games streak. Not a criticism, just the facts.

  51. commandercornpone says: Feb 9, 2012 8:55 PM

    joe also had a more than capable heir who basically pushed him off the roster. and who later bagged a sb win.

    brady and manning kept any real heirs from hanging around.

  52. joker65 says: Feb 9, 2012 9:00 PM

    Bradshaw has 4 super bowl wins, does that make him better than Brady? Someone on here said the Pats team carried Brady to the SB wins…Montana and Bradshaw both played on better overall teams than Brady…loaded with Hall of Famers! Every good QB needs a good team around them or they are not getting to the SB.

  53. j0esixpack says: Feb 9, 2012 9:02 PM

    Brady and the Patriots have been in 5 Super Bowls the past 9 years he’s played.

    In two of those games if one pass gets dropped and one pass gets caught, the Patriots are 5 for 5 and Brady is the Greatest Player of All Time without question.

    Two passes. But since Tyree held on and Welker did not, now Brady is a washed up has been who never really was.

    NFL writers sure are fickle.

  54. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 9:19 PM

    I’ve hated Brady after a Steelers loss. But there are few players I admire more. Hearing his fans/media rip him after 5 Super Bowls is like … hearing Broncs fans say Tim is their best QB ever when Elway led them to 5 SBs. Blows my mind how quickly people forget.

  55. bragerber says: Feb 9, 2012 9:22 PM

    marcuswelby70

    What is Tom Brady’s playoff record since his defense hasn’t been great? Or since spygate? Just saying. Like I said, I think TB is great – but the media is all about championships or bust….in a sport where it’s the most team oriented. If Lee Evans catches the ball in the AFC championship game, Pats lose. That’s not Brady’s fault if that happens. Everyone gave Peyton so much praise for winning the SB, but outside I the Pats game, he had an awful playoffs and the D carried him against subpar QB’s (except Brady). It’s stupid but if I have to deal wih the criticism as a Colts/Peyton fan, sorry you do too!

  56. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 9:27 PM

    It would have been nice if I could have commented without the word-limit games. If you’d rather jack up NBC’s customers than take your jobs seriously, millions of unemployed would gladly take your place. What goes around comes around.

  57. brownsclown says: Feb 9, 2012 10:05 PM

    Let’s get real. If Megatron is with the Pats instead of Lousy Stinko, they win.

    If DJax is with the Pats instead of Oucho Stinko, they win.

    If VJ is with the Pats instead of Woozy Pinko, they win.

    The goat is whatever his name is today-the big mouthed wide out that can’t run, block or catch that relies on Moss & TO for advice. My advice, get different advisors!

  58. tmb333 says: Feb 9, 2012 10:12 PM

    marcuswelby70 says:Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM

    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
    .
    —————————————————-

    Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
    Those would be playoff wins/losses
    ====================
    I didn’t realize they were the only two that could effect the outcome of the game.

    Brady misses season Pats go 11-5. Manning misses season Colts go 2-14. Who do you really think is more valuable to his team? Manning should have been MVP this year. By not playing, he proved how valuable he is to his team. They couldn’t win without him.

    Brady and Manning will both go down as one of the top five qbs of all time.

  59. 6ball says: Feb 9, 2012 10:17 PM

    .

    @bozosforall

    I didn’t see your post on the Jets resigning Santonio. I didn’t see your post on “chiuahua eyes ” Sanchez. I didn’t see your post on “can’t wait ” to go 8-8″ Bart Scott.

    You must have been out celebrating your threepeat.

    .

  60. Deb says: Feb 9, 2012 10:23 PM

    Censors … sorry for the language before. Just wish you guys would stop. A lot of us have more going on than you know and this is our little escape. Please just let us escape in peace.

  61. bobhk says: Feb 9, 2012 10:49 PM

    joker65 says:Feb 9, 2012 9:00 PM

    Bradshaw has 4 super bowl wins, does that make him better than Brady? Someone on here said the Pats team carried Brady to the SB wins…Montana and Bradshaw both played on better overall teams than Brady…loaded with Hall of Famers! Every good QB needs a good team around them or they are not getting to the SB.
    ——-
    Love when pats apologists bring up the talent card. Quick, tell all the hofamer on those loaded niners teams of the 80s.

    Of course they conveniently ignore the fact that Brady had moss and Welker. How did that work out?
    Brady has been a big beneficiary of great pats defenses early in his career. Without those Brady has no rings

  62. wvaughn says: Feb 9, 2012 11:08 PM

    “His window for winning another one is closing fast. Do you know how many QBs have won the superbowl after 35? One. When Brady gets to another and actually wins we can discuss his candidacy.”

    @bobhk

    Really? Just one QB 35 or older has been to a Super Bowl? Maybe you should check your facts.

    Ever heard of a guy named Unitas? Wait, maybe you discounted Elway’s 2 after 35. Not sure but either way you’re wrong.

    Get real guy. Brady is the real deal..even at 35.

  63. gcsuk says: Feb 9, 2012 11:19 PM

    bearsrulepackdrool says:
    Feb 9, 2012 5:37 PM

    That’s because the Giants are pricks. No one wants to celebrate a team that’s been gloating this entire time.

    - Canty predicted a win.
    - Giants website predicting a win.
    - Antrelle Rolle predicting a win.

    They had this arrogant attitude ever since the playoffs started. It’s good to have confidence but don’t rub it in.

    In other news, Packers need to fold.
    ———————————————————

    Oh wow. Jealous much? Sad that your team hasn’t done squat except lose the SB the one time they made it since ’85? If you want to start about “arrogant attitude” look no further than your own (and my own… I’m from Chicago) backyard. The hubris and arrogance from one Brian Urlacher is absolutely disgraceful. “Tebow is a good running back”. Remember that statement? Real sportsman there.
    I have personally witnessed him (Urlacher) turn down an 8 year old kids request for an autograph at their training camp. Urlacher could “bear-ly” acknowledge the kid existed. Dude just gets on his little golf cart and putt-putts away. He is an absolutely arrogant clown.

  64. bobhk says: Feb 9, 2012 11:44 PM

    wvaughn says:Feb 9, 2012 11:08 PM

    “His window for winning another one is closing fast. Do you know how many QBs have won the superbowl after 35? One. When Brady gets to another and actually wins we can discuss his candidacy.”

    @bobhk

    Really? Just one QB 35 or older has been to a Super Bowl? Maybe you should check your facts.

    Ever heard of a guy named Unitas? Wait, maybe you discounted Elway’s 2 after 35. Not sure but either way you’re wrong.

    Get real guy. Brady is the real deal..even at 35.
    ———–
    You need to check your facts before calling me out. Unitas never won a title in the super bowl era.

    You also need to get some comprehension. Elway winning two still counts as one not two QBs.
    Also elway never had a major injury and was much more mobile than Brady. This is relevant because he was adept at avoiding the hits unlike Brady who’s not very mobile.

    Most of all giving two examples of 35+ year old QBs winning out of so many does not help your cause

  65. Herb says: Feb 10, 2012 12:00 AM

    marcuswelby70 says:
    Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM
    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
    .
    —————————————————-

    Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
    Those would be playoff wins/losses

    ———————————–
    And somehow you just proved Braberger’s point, genius.

  66. wannstache says: Feb 10, 2012 12:24 AM

    While the fan reactions may sometimes be extreme, it’s hard to feel sorry for highly-paid athletes who in some cases fail to do their jobs correctly. They are living a dream, playing a game and making ridiculous amounts of money while the everyday fan struggles through tough economic times. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s part of the mindset.

  67. backindasaddle says: Feb 10, 2012 1:22 AM

    That writer from Boston.com is a DB… and I don’t mean Defensive Back.

  68. jesusmhdz says: Feb 10, 2012 1:47 AM

    Brady is aun all time great and just since 2007 he hasn’t played in the playoffs like an all time great. it’s funny how people want to blame welker on that 2nd down when it was the whole offense that couldn’t score a single point in the last 26 min of the game and for being the pats defense, they played a great game.

    IMO this proves why this is a TEAM game and even if you have PM or TB you need to help them with a defense (Brady’s first 3 SB) cause it’s almost impossible to win by expecting not at least one mistake from your QB or his WRs

  69. lostsok says: Feb 10, 2012 2:03 AM

    I’m just glad the Patsies choked their last chance in the Brady era. No fans deserve it more than the spoiled and delusional Boston fans who think that they are never going to get old and atrophy. That it has happened to every team in NFL history seems to elude them.

    Funny stuff!

  70. lostsok says: Feb 10, 2012 2:06 AM

    “TheWizard says: Feb 9, 2012 8:08 PM

    Without cheating the Pats have won nothing…

    …..except win 18 straight games in one season.

    Never done before or since.

    If that’s no big deal, let’s see somebody else do it.”

    ______________________________

    And then choked. Big deal. Losing 0-16 or going 18-1…is still losing.

    Well, except the 0-16 team probably isn’t full of arrogant cheaters.

  71. ynot1381 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:09 AM

    I think every fan on PFT that hates New England would trade that hate in, if their team won 64 games over the past 5 seasons.

  72. krose91 says: Feb 10, 2012 3:46 AM

    Colts without Peyton Manning 2-14
    Patriots without Tom Brady 11-5

    2 Playoff wins since they don’t know the play calling of the other team. Just look at the facts. I hate people say that Tom Brady is maybe the best QB of all time. Get off his #%^*!

  73. patsdrukker says: Feb 10, 2012 4:40 AM

    1. If it is all about cheating: why the Patriots got in the PO after 2007 every year when Brady played? Why did they got in two SB’s? And then: why not others?

    2. Polls said that ’07 SB loss hurts better. That is clear. After ’09 elimination by the Ravens and ’10 elimination by the Jets = 3 years without a single PO win. After a season started 5-3. After an injury plagued season (they were damn lucky in ’07 on injuries). I was like: just win one! Then: don’t be humiliated by the Ravens.
    The superbowl loss hurts. That is normal. But if someone would had offer after week 8 at 5-3 that we will be in the SB and loose I would took it.

  74. tatum064 says: Feb 10, 2012 5:31 AM

    ” about our culture’s focus on negativity and the losing team in sports. ”

    No, its ESPN’s culture on covering the Patriots and Tom Brady throughout the other season – then, taking a break by covering Tebow, and as fans of football both were beaten, and our culture of shutting ESPN the f$%k up about both made us completely rub it in on sites such as these.

    We do so with near Christmas time glee. It is deserved, and will occur over and over again, as those two are covered more than other players, and also fuels opponents in creatively doing “discount double checks” after sacks or Tebowing after sacks or end zone dancing.

  75. tatum064 says: Feb 10, 2012 5:34 AM

    That’s because the Giants are pricks. No one wants to celebrate a team that’s been gloating this entire time.

    - Canty predicted a win.
    - Giants website predicting a win.
    - Antrelle Rolle predicting a win.

    They had this arrogant attitude ever since the playoffs started. It’s good to have confidence but don’t rub it in.

    ——————————

    They predicted it, got in their heads, AND WON. Jimmy Johnson did it, and a number of other people (small number) – did it. Doesn’t make it arrogant, but boy remember those Patriots “running up the score”? smack – SMASHED DOWN. the Saints “running up the score”? – Lit up and BEAT DOWN in S.F.

    Of course they’re going to rub it in…until you “stop them”.

  76. TheWizard says: Feb 10, 2012 8:52 AM

    Sorry, Wiz…but without the title, no one is really impressed with a consecutive games streak

    right….

    better to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

    That way nobody can say you “choked”

    Fails the logic test.

    I’ll take the consecutive wins streak every time.

  77. bozosforall says: Feb 10, 2012 10:09 AM

    j0esixpack says:
    Feb 9, 2012 9:02 PM
    Brady and the Patriots have been in 5 Super Bowls the past 9 years he’s played.

    In two of those games if one pass gets dropped and one pass gets caught, the Patriots are 5 for 5 and Brady is the Greatest Player of All Time without question.

    Two passes. But since Tyree held on and Welker did not, now Brady is a washed up has been who never really was.

    NFL writers sure are fickle.
    __
    Viniteri misses those three FGs and Brady is 0 for 5.

    See, the “IF” game can easily go both ways.

  78. bozosforall says: Feb 10, 2012 10:13 AM

    TheWizard says:
    Feb 10, 2012 8:52 AM
    Sorry, Wiz…but without the title, no one is really impressed with a consecutive games streak

    right….

    better to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

    That way nobody can say you “choked”

    Fails the logic test.

    I’ll take the consecutive wins streak every time.

    __
    The “consecutive games streak” is tainted by the Baltimore game, where two consecutive timeouts by the idiot Ravens coach snatched victory from the better team that day.

    The bottom line is that your team lost the most important game that year. The Niners also went 18-1…but were smart enough to lose their one game in the regular season. So were the 1985 Bears.

  79. Deb says: Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM

    @bozosforall …

    I get your point, about the ’85 Bears but don’t know that they’re the best example in the overall discussion. They were a great team, but only made it to one Super Bowl. They probably wouldn’t have minded going 5-3 in SBs like the Pats.

  80. jkcranshaw says: Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM

    Tom Brady has a 78% winning percentage. In the seasons he played, he has only missed the playoffs once. Only failing to win a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

    I would rather have a quarterback giving my team a legit chance at the #1 seed every season with a chance to make it to and potentially win the Super Bowl, than not make it to the playoffs to avoid losing a ‘big game’.

    Eli for example has only had two season where he won a playoff game (granted both lead to SB Championships) but other than those two seasons he either hasn’t made it or went one and done. Can’t win a title if you don’t make it to the tourney… and you don’t make it to the tourney without regular season success… and currently no one in the NFL does that better than BB and TB.

    You can hate the coach… hate the team… and hate the QB, but you are being completely disingenuous if you didn’t want the same success out of your team. Not counting this this past season (which skews the numbers even greater towards the Pats) no team in the history of the NFL has won more games in a 10 years stretch than the NE Patriots… and to beat the “belicheat’ crowd to the punch, no team has won more games since the second week of 2007 than the NE Patriots.

  81. bozosforall says: Feb 10, 2012 1:52 PM

    jkcranshaw says:
    Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM
    Tom Brady has a 78% winning percentage. In the seasons he played, he has only missed the playoffs once. Only failing to win a playoff game in 2 of those seasons.

    I would rather have a quarterback giving my team a legit chance at the #1 seed every season with a chance to make it to and potentially win the Super Bowl, than not make it to the playoffs to avoid losing a ‘big game’.

    Eli for example has only had two season where he won a playoff game (granted both lead to SB Championships) but other than those two seasons he either hasn’t made it or went one and done. Can’t win a title if you don’t make it to the tourney… and you don’t make it to the tourney without regular season success… and currently no one in the NFL does that better than BB and TB.

    You can hate the coach… hate the team… and hate the QB, but you are being completely disingenuous if you didn’t want the same success out of your team. Not counting this this past season (which skews the numbers even greater towards the Pats) no team in the history of the NFL has won more games in a 10 years stretch than the NE Patriots… and to beat the “belicheat’ crowd to the punch, no team has won more games since the second week of 2007 than the NE Patriots.

    ___
    Just makes the chokes by the Pats in SB 42 and SB 46 all the more laughable.

  82. joker65 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:17 PM

    Bobhk says:
    Love when pats apologists bring up the talent card. Quick, tell all the hofamer on those loaded niners teams of the 80s.

    Of course they conveniently ignore the fact that Brady had moss and Welker. How did that work out?
    Brady has been a big beneficiary of great pats defenses early in his career. Without those Brady has no rings
    ______________________________
    Ok smart guy – Lets see, Montana, Rice, Lott, Fred Dean, and Bill Walsh. I won’t add Steve Young because we are talking about when Montana was the QB. So, 4 players and the head coach. On top of that they had Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, John Taylor, Charles Haley etc…and to top it off, the 49ers defense was terriffic….heres the defensive ranking for 10 years 81-2nd, 82 – 23rd, 83 – 4th, 84 – 1st, 85 – 2nd, 86 – 3rd, 87 – 3rd, 88 – 8th, 89 – 3rd, 90 – 2nd……Like I said, hard for Montana not to be successful with that kind of talent. Are you actually saying that the Pats talent was as good as those 49ers/Steelers teams?

  83. joker65 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:24 PM

    Oh, and let me say, I never said Brady was better than Montana. I don’t believe he is. Montana was the best I ever saw play, next was Steve Young, then Elway. IMO. Those 49er teams were the best I ever saw play over an extended period of time. I do think Brady is better than Bradshaw as a qb, but those Steeler teams were better than anything the Pats have fielded. My point is that no qb can do it alone. If Brady played for those 49ers he probably would have won 3 or 4 super bowls too.

  84. jkcranshaw says: Feb 10, 2012 5:46 PM

    Just makes the chokes by the Pats in SB 42 and SB 46 all the more laughable.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    More laughable than the 60 teams that didn’t participate in SB42 and SB46?

    More laughable than the 4 NFL teams that have never made it to a Super Bowl?

    More laughable than the 14 NFL teams that have never won a Super Bowl?

  85. bozosforall says: Feb 10, 2012 6:33 PM

    marcuswelby70 says:
    Feb 9, 2012 7:11 PM
    bragerber says:
    Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
    It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
    .
    —————————————————-

    Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
    Those would be playoff wins/losses

    __
    Name/Playoff QB rating/PlayoffComp%/Playoff TD-INT

    Joe Montana/95.6/62.7/45-21
    Eli Manning/89.0/61.5/17-7
    Peyton Manning/88.4/63.1/29-19
    Tom Brady/86.0/62.3/38-20

    Those would be individual performance measurement numbers…wins are a TEAM statistic.

  86. joker65 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:03 PM

    lostsok said:
    Losing 0-16 or going 18-1…is still losing.
    __________________________________

    Do you actually believe this?????

  87. bozosforall says: Feb 14, 2012 10:33 AM

    jkcranshaw says:
    Feb 10, 2012 5:46 PM
    Just makes the chokes by the Pats in SB 42 and SB 46 all the more laughable.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    More laughable than the 60 teams that didn’t participate in SB42 and SB46?

    More laughable than the 4 NFL teams that have never made it to a Super Bowl?

    More laughable than the 14 NFL teams that have never won a Super Bowl?
    __
    NONE of those teams was favored in two Super Bowls…and then choked them both away.

    Infinitely laughable.

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