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More laughable than the 60 teams that didn’t participate in SB42 and SB46?

More laughable than the 4 NFL teams that have never made it to a Super Bowl?

More laughable than the 14 NFL teams that have never won a Super Bowl?
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NONE of those teams was favored in two Super Bowls…and then choked them both away.

Infinitely laughable.

Do you actually believe this?????

Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
Those would be playoff wins/losses

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Name/Playoff QB rating/PlayoffComp%/Playoff TD-INT

Joe Montana/95.6/62.7/45-21
Eli Manning/89.0/61.5/17-7
Peyton Manning/88.4/63.1/29-19
Tom Brady/86.0/62.3/38-20

Those would be individual performance measurement numbers…wins are a TEAM statistic.

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More laughable than the 60 teams that didn’t participate in SB42 and SB46?

More laughable than the 4 NFL teams that have never made it to a Super Bowl?

More laughable than the 14 NFL teams that have never won a Super Bowl?

Of course they conveniently ignore the fact that Brady had moss and Welker. How did that work out?
Brady has been a big beneficiary of great pats defenses early in his career. Without those Brady has no rings
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Ok smart guy – Lets see, Montana, Rice, Lott, Fred Dean, and Bill Walsh. I won’t add Steve Young because we are talking about when Montana was the QB. So, 4 players and the head coach. On top of that they had Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, John Taylor, Charles Haley etc…and to top it off, the 49ers defense was terriffic….heres the defensive ranking for 10 years 81-2nd, 82 – 23rd, 83 – 4th, 84 – 1st, 85 – 2nd, 86 – 3rd, 87 – 3rd, 88 – 8th, 89 – 3rd, 90 – 2nd……Like I said, hard for Montana not to be successful with that kind of talent. Are you actually saying that the Pats talent was as good as those 49ers/Steelers teams?

I would rather have a quarterback giving my team a legit chance at the #1 seed every season with a chance to make it to and potentially win the Super Bowl, than not make it to the playoffs to avoid losing a ‘big game’.

Eli for example has only had two season where he won a playoff game (granted both lead to SB Championships) but other than those two seasons he either hasn’t made it or went one and done. Can’t win a title if you don’t make it to the tourney… and you don’t make it to the tourney without regular season success… and currently no one in the NFL does that better than BB and TB.

You can hate the coach… hate the team… and hate the QB, but you are being completely disingenuous if you didn’t want the same success out of your team. Not counting this this past season (which skews the numbers even greater towards the Pats) no team in the history of the NFL has won more games in a 10 years stretch than the NE Patriots… and to beat the “belicheat’ crowd to the punch, no team has won more games since the second week of 2007 than the NE Patriots.

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Just makes the chokes by the Pats in SB 42 and SB 46 all the more laughable.

I would rather have a quarterback giving my team a legit chance at the #1 seed every season with a chance to make it to and potentially win the Super Bowl, than not make it to the playoffs to avoid losing a ‘big game’.

Eli for example has only had two season where he won a playoff game (granted both lead to SB Championships) but other than those two seasons he either hasn’t made it or went one and done. Can’t win a title if you don’t make it to the tourney… and you don’t make it to the tourney without regular season success… and currently no one in the NFL does that better than BB and TB.

You can hate the coach… hate the team… and hate the QB, but you are being completely disingenuous if you didn’t want the same success out of your team. Not counting this this past season (which skews the numbers even greater towards the Pats) no team in the history of the NFL has won more games in a 10 years stretch than the NE Patriots… and to beat the “belicheat’ crowd to the punch, no team has won more games since the second week of 2007 than the NE Patriots.

I get your point, about the ’85 Bears but don’t know that they’re the best example in the overall discussion. They were a great team, but only made it to one Super Bowl. They probably wouldn’t have minded going 5-3 in SBs like the Pats.

right….

better to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

That way nobody can say you “choked”

Fails the logic test.

I’ll take the consecutive wins streak every time.

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The “consecutive games streak” is tainted by the Baltimore game, where two consecutive timeouts by the idiot Ravens coach snatched victory from the better team that day.

The bottom line is that your team lost the most important game that year. The Niners also went 18-1…but were smart enough to lose their one game in the regular season. So were the 1985 Bears.

In two of those games if one pass gets dropped and one pass gets caught, the Patriots are 5 for 5 and Brady is the Greatest Player of All Time without question.

Two passes. But since Tyree held on and Welker did not, now Brady is a washed up has been who never really was.

NFL writers sure are fickle.
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Viniteri misses those three FGs and Brady is 0 for 5.

See, the “IF” game can easily go both ways.

right….

better to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

That way nobody can say you “choked”

Fails the logic test.

I’ll take the consecutive wins streak every time.

- Canty predicted a win.
- Giants website predicting a win.
- Antrelle Rolle predicting a win.

They had this arrogant attitude ever since the playoffs started. It’s good to have confidence but don’t rub it in.

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They predicted it, got in their heads, AND WON. Jimmy Johnson did it, and a number of other people (small number) – did it. Doesn’t make it arrogant, but boy remember those Patriots “running up the score”? smack – SMASHED DOWN. the Saints “running up the score”? – Lit up and BEAT DOWN in S.F.

Of course they’re going to rub it in…until you “stop them”.

No, its ESPN’s culture on covering the Patriots and Tom Brady throughout the other season – then, taking a break by covering Tebow, and as fans of football both were beaten, and our culture of shutting ESPN the f$%k up about both made us completely rub it in on sites such as these.

We do so with near Christmas time glee. It is deserved, and will occur over and over again, as those two are covered more than other players, and also fuels opponents in creatively doing “discount double checks” after sacks or Tebowing after sacks or end zone dancing.

2. Polls said that ’07 SB loss hurts better. That is clear. After ’09 elimination by the Ravens and ’10 elimination by the Jets = 3 years without a single PO win. After a season started 5-3. After an injury plagued season (they were damn lucky in ’07 on injuries). I was like: just win one! Then: don’t be humiliated by the Ravens.
The superbowl loss hurts. That is normal. But if someone would had offer after week 8 at 5-3 that we will be in the SB and loose I would took it.

2 Playoff wins since they don’t know the play calling of the other team. Just look at the facts. I hate people say that Tom Brady is maybe the best QB of all time. Get off his #%^*!

Without cheating the Pats have won nothing…

…..except win 18 straight games in one season.

Never done before or since.

If that’s no big deal, let’s see somebody else do it.”

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And then choked. Big deal. Losing 0-16 or going 18-1…is still losing.

Well, except the 0-16 team probably isn’t full of arrogant cheaters.

Funny stuff!

IMO this proves why this is a TEAM game and even if you have PM or TB you need to help them with a defense (Brady’s first 3 SB) cause it’s almost impossible to win by expecting not at least one mistake from your QB or his WRs

Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
Those would be playoff wins/losses

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And somehow you just proved Braberger’s point, genius.

“His window for winning another one is closing fast. Do you know how many QBs have won the superbowl after 35? One. When Brady gets to another and actually wins we can discuss his candidacy.”

@bobhk

Really? Just one QB 35 or older has been to a Super Bowl? Maybe you should check your facts.

Ever heard of a guy named Unitas? Wait, maybe you discounted Elway’s 2 after 35. Not sure but either way you’re wrong.

Get real guy. Brady is the real deal..even at 35.
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You need to check your facts before calling me out. Unitas never won a title in the super bowl era.

You also need to get some comprehension. Elway winning two still counts as one not two QBs.
Also elway never had a major injury and was much more mobile than Brady. This is relevant because he was adept at avoiding the hits unlike Brady who’s not very mobile.

Most of all giving two examples of 35+ year old QBs winning out of so many does not help your cause

That’s because the Giants are pricks. No one wants to celebrate a team that’s been gloating this entire time.

- Canty predicted a win.
- Giants website predicting a win.
- Antrelle Rolle predicting a win.

They had this arrogant attitude ever since the playoffs started. It’s good to have confidence but don’t rub it in.

In other news, Packers need to fold.
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Oh wow. Jealous much? Sad that your team hasn’t done squat except lose the SB the one time they made it since ’85? If you want to start about “arrogant attitude” look no further than your own (and my own… I’m from Chicago) backyard. The hubris and arrogance from one Brian Urlacher is absolutely disgraceful. “Tebow is a good running back”. Remember that statement? Real sportsman there.
I have personally witnessed him (Urlacher) turn down an 8 year old kids request for an autograph at their training camp. Urlacher could “bear-ly” acknowledge the kid existed. Dude just gets on his little golf cart and putt-putts away. He is an absolutely arrogant clown.

@bobhk

Really? Just one QB 35 or older has been to a Super Bowl? Maybe you should check your facts.

Ever heard of a guy named Unitas? Wait, maybe you discounted Elway’s 2 after 35. Not sure but either way you’re wrong.

Get real guy. Brady is the real deal..even at 35.

Bradshaw has 4 super bowl wins, does that make him better than Brady? Someone on here said the Pats team carried Brady to the SB wins…Montana and Bradshaw both played on better overall teams than Brady…loaded with Hall of Famers! Every good QB needs a good team around them or they are not getting to the SB.
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Love when pats apologists bring up the talent card. Quick, tell all the hofamer on those loaded niners teams of the 80s.

Of course they conveniently ignore the fact that Brady had moss and Welker. How did that work out?
Brady has been a big beneficiary of great pats defenses early in his career. Without those Brady has no rings

@bozosforall

I didn’t see your post on the Jets resigning Santonio. I didn’t see your post on “chiuahua eyes ” Sanchez. I didn’t see your post on “can’t wait ” to go 8-8″ Bart Scott.

You must have been out celebrating your threepeat.

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bragerber says:
Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM
It’s funny how Brady fans bring out the “team” card when they love to slam on Peyton because he “chokes”. Now you know what it feels like when you don’t have a complete team around your QB. Peyton has to carry his team every year – hence the 2-14 record for the Colts his year. For the record I think TB is great – I just would like people to be consistent. Sorry TB fans – deal with it. This Brady blame is normal and justified given the context
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Brady 16-7, Peyton 8-9
Those would be playoff wins/losses
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I didn’t realize they were the only two that could effect the outcome of the game.

Brady misses season Pats go 11-5. Manning misses season Colts go 2-14. Who do you really think is more valuable to his team? Manning should have been MVP this year. By not playing, he proved how valuable he is to his team. They couldn’t win without him.

Brady and Manning will both go down as one of the top five qbs of all time.