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McKenzie starts to whack “out of whack” contracts

Raiders' general manager McKenzie speaks about new head coach Allen during a news conference at the Raiders' training facility in Oakland Reuters

The most telling words new Raiders G.M. Reggie McKenzie has spoken since taking over his new job came at the introduction of new coach Dennis Allen.

“From where we are, we’ve got some contracts that are kind of out of whack,” McKenzie said via CSNBayArea.com. “But in my discussions and viewing the cap situation, we should be fine.”

Out of whack contracts were a tradition in the late Al Davis years. With the release of Stanford Routt on Thursday, McKenzie began to whack them down to size.

Davis had players that became known as “scholarship” guys. These were Raiders that Davis drafted, developed, and paid too much. Routt wasn’t a terrible player — although he was pretty bad in 2011 — but he was a perfect example of this phenomenon.

McKenzie cut Routt this early because his contract forced an early decision. Other overpaid players figure to be released closer to the start of free agency.

Other candidates to be released: Aaron Curry ($5.76 million), John Henderson ($4 million), Michael Huff ($8 million), and Tommy Kelly ($6 million). Even players like Kamerion Wimbley could be up for debate.

We’ve seen mixed reaction from Raiders fans on the Routt decision, but it’s a great move. It’s a sign that fiscal sanity has returned to the organization.

The process of correcting old mistakes may be painful in the short term, but the Raiders now have a leader able to think about the best interests of the organization long-term.

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  1. joetoronto says: Feb 10, 2012 9:52 AM

    It’s all good, in McKenzie we trust.

  2. ijr213 says: Feb 10, 2012 9:52 AM

    Wow, I didn’t even realize that Curry, Henderson, Huff and Kelly were making those dollars. No wonder they couldn’t match/beat any offers for Nnamdi Asomugha last year.

  3. 4ever19 says: Feb 10, 2012 9:53 AM

    Do you think you used the word “new” enough times in the lede?

  4. trojan33sc says: Feb 10, 2012 9:55 AM

    Excellent ! At this pace the Raiders will be able to afford key players to upgrade the team.

  5. torturedraiderfan says: Feb 10, 2012 9:57 AM

    You are correct. Raider fans need to suffer through the short-term to get to the point where the team is once again competitive. I’m glad to see the move in that direction. Hard to believe a marginal player like Routt was given that contract and a pro-bowler like Asomugha was allowed to leave. I guess that’s all in the past now. Let’s be optimistic about the future.

  6. eagleswin says: Feb 10, 2012 9:59 AM

    Could Carson Palmer be a cap casualty?

    That was a terrible trade despite what Hue Jackson thinks. Trade of the century, maybe for the Bengals.

  7. mjbulls45 says: Feb 10, 2012 9:59 AM

    whatever,

    what can anyone do?

    mckenzie is on a power trip

    and thats ok -

    as long as u WIN.

    if u dont win,

    you will start to hear it ASAP

  8. fissels says: Feb 10, 2012 10:00 AM

    You go Reggie!

  9. dawsonleery says: Feb 10, 2012 10:01 AM

    This is a smart move, you gotta take the hit now. Raiders have talent so its not a complete rebuild stage but the days of paying average players elite money is over.

  10. jimmysimpson55 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:04 AM

    I hate the Raiders (Chief’s fan) but it looks like the AFC West is going to be awesome in a few years., except Sand Diego.

  11. bcb1999 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:05 AM

    But, if you remain under contract, they expect you to play out your terms, and not ask for better money.

    This system seems a little “out of whack”…

  12. mpoles says: Feb 10, 2012 10:06 AM

    Kelly for $6million doesn’t sound especially out-of-whack – the guy’s been a Pro Bowl alternate for the last two years, so he’s probably in the top 10 4-3 DTs in the league. On the other hand, it’s difficult to see where he would fit into a 3-4 if the Raiders play predominantly 3-4 fronts this year.

    The others though? Yeah, definitely time to cut loose or negotiate hard. Curry may once have been “the best player in the draft”, but he didn’t turn out like he was supposed to, and now he’s just a guy. An upgrade on Groves, but not that big of an upgrade. Henderson is a fringe player who struggles for fitness and playing time, and is another DT who needs to be in a 4-3 front. He’s just too tall to be a nose tackle. $8million is too much for Huff, but I’d love him to come back for a better price. He suffered more than anyone else under Bresnahan’s bonehead defensive playcalling in 2011. He has skills. In the right system, he could be really good.

  13. haileli says: Feb 10, 2012 10:06 AM

    One of the more overlooked aspects of a new GM’s job is getting the team on firm financial footing. These bloated contracts have to go, and the effect will likely be a short-term decrease in on-field performance. But it must be done. McKenzie will get this straightened out and sign future players to realistic, fair contracts.

  14. shackdelrio says: Feb 10, 2012 10:06 AM

    Reggie McKenzie:Al Davis :: Barack Obama:George W Bush

  15. jlb10 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:08 AM

    i would add seymour to that list as well. he was the 2nd highest paid player in the league last year and was not worth the $$. this year he is owed $15M and is definitely not worth that amount.
    i do like what reggie has started and done so far

  16. donstylo says: Feb 10, 2012 10:10 AM

    What the heck!

    For a certain generation of football fans, we’ve come to expect a level of zany incompetence from the Raiders organization. They can’t just change like this on us, can they?

  17. bigshirk says: Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM

    To be honest. Tommy Kelly is worth his contract, the dudes has been a beast the past few years.

  18. bearsrulepackdrool says: Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM

    I wonder if they can get those draft picks back from the Bengals.

    Also, if Jason Campbell gets his starting spot back.

  19. raiderluv says: Feb 10, 2012 10:13 AM

    I know they’re doing what’s best in the interest of the organization in the long run, but cutting all these guys is going to surmount to a 5 win season. I hope they can restructure some of them rather than cut them all.

  20. rdrllldubk says: Feb 10, 2012 10:15 AM

    Routt’s agent says he already has visits with Tenn n Buff. Well, A) they wont pay u what Al did, you shoulda showed some class and reworked your deal. B) Tenn can have you and Oakland can get Finnagen and or Porter.

  21. rpiotr01 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:17 AM

    Difference between the way the Packers have been run and the way the Raiders have been run:

    AJ Hawk is set to make less than any of those guys listed above, and Packer fans are throwing a s#!t fit about the lack of production for the money. The front office has set the expectation that guys who get the dollars are expected to perform.

    Don’t fret, Raider fans. McKenzie knows what he’s doing. This is a painful but completely necessary step. No more free-loaders.

  22. AlohaMrHand says: Feb 10, 2012 10:20 AM

    tommy Kelly is the perfect example of grossly overpaying.He wasn’t a high demand player and Al badly overpaid for a guy who produced little.He had a decet season last year but the keyword is decent.

  23. almighty1 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:22 AM

    Reggie comes from the Ted Thompson/Ron Wolf background. This is not a power trip, this is clearing the cupboard of stupidity. Get your financial situation in order, draft football players (not prospects), and keep your core together. Its a successful formula but the first year can be tough.

  24. tramonisland says: Feb 10, 2012 10:23 AM

    mckenzie = the next ted thompson. raider fans might have to deal with a couple more tough years of clean up and even one and done in the playoffs, but ultimately you have the perfect man who will make you a contender year in and year out and get you to the promised land. raiders fans are gonna love this guy. i will be rooting for success in o-town. the raiders are back.

    -a packers fan

  25. whatnojets says: Feb 10, 2012 10:24 AM

    McKenzie should cut all 53 players and start from scratch. Whoever of the 53 “cut” players want to return to the Raiders should the negotiate a new, lower contract. This way they will be way below the “cap” and get some real good players for their team.

  26. zoogleea says: Feb 10, 2012 10:24 AM

    You forgot Richard Seymour – $15 mil in 2012.

  27. buckarama says: Feb 10, 2012 10:25 AM

    I liked Routt but I agree he was paid WAY too much! It’s the same with several others on the payroll.

    Reggie on!

  28. canamac86 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:33 AM

    raiderluv says:
    Feb 10, 2012 10:13 AM
    I know they’re doing what’s best in the interest of the organization in the long run, but cutting all these guys is going to surmount to a 5 win season. I hope they can restructure some of them rather than cut them all.

    ————

    And the difference, raiderluv, is that a 5-win season won’t get the coach fired after year one. Suffer through a letdown year or two and then pass judgment. Allow for some continuity and McKenzie to put in place “his guys”

  29. oldhighs says: Feb 10, 2012 10:35 AM

    The problem with Tommy Kelly is that he’s one of FOUR 3-tech DTs on the roster (Seymour, Kelly, Bryant, Houston). He’s the oldest, and outside of Seymour the most expensive. But unlike Seymour, the Raiders could shed his contract and not be on the hook for all that much.

    Plus he’s undisciplined, inconsistent, and a liability against the run. Didn’t look all that good at rushing the passer until he had Richard Seymour next to him, either.

  30. raiderlyfe510 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:36 AM

    LoL 95% in favor of “The Penalty Magnet” being cut is what you all call a mixed reaction? OK

    Good job Reggie Reg!

  31. nflhof says: Feb 10, 2012 10:38 AM

    Too bad the new GM can’t do anything about the fair weather fans in Oakland.

  32. snnyjcbs says: Feb 10, 2012 10:40 AM

    I keep reading about all this talent they have in Green Bay and how good they are at finding it. The D in Green Bay seems to be lacking greatly and lets face it, luck has a lot to do with teams as they rise.

    The Oakland Raiders died when Al Davis died and will be just another Cookie Cutter run of the mill NFL team playing in an era of many garbage teams.

    I will be spending much more time with my Horses at the Track and on the Golf Course. I have been cursed for many, many years and could not turn my back on the Raiders. Al Davis son and the destruction of the Raiders has made it EASY.

  33. justafanofitall says: Feb 10, 2012 10:42 AM

    He is there to do the tough job….pay the guys for how they perform. Some of these guys make take a pay cut…other teams will not pay the high salaries for a mediocre year.

  34. 2sausage11 says: Feb 10, 2012 10:50 AM

    This is a good thing for you Raiders. He needs to lower your cap so he can pick up other FA this year with no real draft picks. I know everybody says you have been rebuilding, but you have alot of good core players to build from. You guys got close this year just need some tweeking good luck next year

  35. r8rsfan says: Feb 10, 2012 11:01 AM

    Routt led the league in defensive holding calls – thank you Reggie for getting rid of this guy who should have been a kick-off team player at best. I’m hoping this is just the tip of the iceburg. If you can get good value for DMC you gotta do it cuz he’s a foot injury waiting to happen. As good as there is when healthy, just can’t count on him to be there game after game.

  36. conjecture101 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:01 AM

    “Its a business” is the most overused term by fans. It’s not a business for fans, it’s a passion. And for Al Davis, the business side of it was admirably low on his list of priorities. His passion for the game and for his players far outweighed his passion for money.

  37. conjecture101 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:02 AM

    Greg Rosenthol wouldn’t have a clue what “a great move was.” You can shove your “fiscal responsibility” It’s not your money Greg. The Raiders used to be about loyalty, they were essentially what college football is supposed to be, but isn’t because of the bloodless vultures running the NCAA and the venomous snakes coaching the teams.

    Al Davis truly was the last of the dying breed. Its sick to see that nobody cares how loyal he was and how desirable of a quality that is for an NFL owner.

    “Good” financial moves aren’t always good personnel moves, or good moral moves. Up until this offseason, the Raiders were about taking care of their players, looks like that party is over. I for one, am not going to sit around and support it.

  38. jessethegreat says: Feb 10, 2012 11:08 AM

    Reggie is off to an amazing start in Oakland. I’m going to warn Raiders fans though… HAVE PATIENCE. He comes from the same management tree as Ted Thompson. Not going to dabble much in free agency. Going to trust his scouts. He’s got a business plan and he’s going to stick with it. Two or three drafts he should have the Raiders in prime playoff position… and unlike the past couple decades, they will be set to be in playoff position for years to come.

    Sit back, observe, realize immediate results should not be expected, and appreciate your team being run by people with a plan.

  39. rundmc81 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:14 AM

    You can’t go on and on about loyalty. Al was loyal to those who woke up every morning and kissed the rings on Al’s hands. Who was loyal to Sterling Moore who ended up playing in a superbowl this year? If you got game and you accept a reasonable contract, you can stay.. If not, kick rocks

  40. steviemo says: Feb 10, 2012 11:19 AM

    @conjecture101,

    Goodbye and good riddance. As you can see from the reader comments, you represent a small minority of so-called fans. If you can’t see that these tweaks are necessary in the intermediate term, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.

    As to a complete rebuild, it’s not necessary. 8-8 is achievable in 2012, even with the personnel tweaking. From there, we’ll have a real NFL-style organization in place, contracts that make football and financial sense, and a guy in charge (McKenzie) who hasn’t lost his marbles.

    Keep it up, Reg!

  41. jimmysee says: Feb 10, 2012 11:23 AM

    Oakland = Green Bay West.

    Oakland gave Ron Wolf to Green Bay.

    The Packers are happy to return the favor with Reggie.

    We want to see the second Packers – Raiders Super Bowl in a few years!

    Go Pack Go!

  42. 7pints says: Feb 10, 2012 11:24 AM

    LOL!!!

    Jokeland fans will try to justify anything as being the right thing to do. Keep hanging on to that blind faith!

  43. whynotusecommonsense says: Feb 10, 2012 11:32 AM

    I hope the snnyjcb’s and conjecture101′s of the world follow through on their claims. Quit supporting the Raiders, and don’t expect to be welcomed back.

    I support the Raiders, always have, always will. Doesn’t matter their geographical location, doesn’t matter who the coach is, who the QB is or who’s running the front office.

    The Raiders winning and being relevant is all that matters. The past model hasn’t worked for the last 20 years, minus a good run with some crafty veterans. This new model will take some time and hopefully put the Raiders back where they belong in the NFL, on the top. Times change and the old Raider way wasn’t working. I for one am excited about the change because I’ll always support the team.

    You others have your right to your opinion about how they go about it, but to completely drop your support is laughable. You’re not a fan and like some of the outrageous contracts, we’ll be better off without you.

  44. joetoronto says: Feb 10, 2012 11:41 AM

    conjecture101:

    I hear you loud and clear, Mr Davis was truly one of a kind, a players owner.

    He was loyal to a fault and took care of his players and their families like nobody else ever did or ever will.

    I just don’t understand how you can turn your back on the team though. I’m not judging you, just not understanding.

    Unlike allot of so called Raider fans, I wish Mr Davis was still alive, I really do, I miss him big time, but he’s gone now.

    His team is still here though.

  45. ern215 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:48 AM

    like i always say, no use crying over spilled milk, it is what it is, just accept it and move on………….GO RAIDERS!!

  46. nineroutsider says: Feb 10, 2012 12:02 PM

    We’ve seen mixed reaction from Raiders fans on the Routt decision, but it’s a great move. It’s a sign that fiscal sanity has returned to the organization.
    ———————————————————–
    Raider fans should be stoked, that front office is finally going to stop killing that team. In that division, sorry TebowHeads, the Raiders could be back in the playoffs in no time.

    Not sure about the HC, but got to trust MacKenzie for now…

  47. vipod4ever says: Feb 10, 2012 12:13 PM

    Very necessary moves by R.McKenzie.

    However, as a very long time fan, I want to make certain “our” identity remains in tact. The Raiders are not the Lions,Browns,Bolts,Bengals…etc. We have a rich history, we have a unique identity, the Raider brand was built by Davis and executed by his player’s in the 70′s & early 80′s. I’ve been cheering for this franchise because of that, and not despite of that renegade mentality.

    Message to R. McKenzie…”Make your necessary changes, but never loose sight of what a Raider means to the fans.” If the identity is lost, then why bother?

  48. kuantan97 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM

    I’m a Ravens fan, but I’m pulling for the Raiders. Always thought the NFL is a little better when the Raiders are relevant.

  49. georgebrett says: Feb 10, 2012 12:15 PM

    I do like that he’s cutting down salaries as they should be.

    But anyone that thinks Carson Palmer is going to be one of those guys is barking up a hollow tree because he is one of the best NFL quarterbacks out there.

    We still need to trade McFadden for draft picks.

  50. masterblaster78 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:19 PM

    McKenzie is cutting the fat and making the Raiders lean and hopefully mean. Save the money from overpaid players, get quality players who want to play and earn their money in free agency. I think he’s on the right track, though the road is going to get rather bumpy in the next few years especially on defense. Fingers are crossed that all works out and he does know what he’s doing. Go Raiders!!!!!

  51. invaiduh says: Feb 10, 2012 12:26 PM

    he better keep some of these guys. its not like we have draft picks to replace them.

  52. villa41 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:28 PM

    Some of these comments make me laugh. First, I read about making the Raiders competitive. Huh? Oakland has been 8-8 the last two years. Good enough? Obviously not, but Oakland lost the division this past season on a tiebreaker. If not for a terrible defense, the Raiders would have easily won 3-4 more games (think Buffalo, Denver, Detroit, and San Diego) too. How’s that not competitive?

    Secondly, as for Carson Palmer, this guy isn’t the problem. He’s part of the solution. Yes, Oakland gave up a lot to get, and yes it wasn’t the greatest trade of all time. However, the guy is easily the best QB Oakland has had since Gannon. If you you don’t think so, then you either don’t watch the games or don’t know what you’re watching. Palmer will have a good year with a full offseason under his belt and all his offensive weapons at his disposal, unlike last season. Don’t even talk about the picks. Most of them came if the first two games after he got off the couch. I guess you were expecting miracles.

  53. raiderapologist says: Feb 10, 2012 12:45 PM

    McKenzie needs to use some of that money he saved by cutting Routt to get Branch back under contract. Huff is pretty expensive at 8M, but he can probably play corner better than Routt did last season. It’s going to be a pretty deep FA market for corners this year, but Oakland has no starters now, and they need better options than Van Dyke and Chewka.

  54. dukemarc says: Feb 10, 2012 12:51 PM

    Radiers fans, the next couple of years might sting from time to time – the Packers suffered though a 4-12 season purging the old players and out of whack contracts Mike Sherman had signed while he was GM. After that and if Reggie hires the right talent evaluaters, you team will most likely be in the playoff hunt every year.

  55. crise40g says: Feb 10, 2012 12:57 PM

    Reggie is doing what needed to be done a long time ago. One thing to be loyal but to who? The single player or to the organization? If he has to get rid of some players to bring the Raiders back to relevance than so be it. Routt was grossly overpaid for the product he produced. There are some others but hopefully they will want to be a part of this and restructure. Like Curry, Huff and TK.

    And to the folks worried about Reggie losing the Raider identity, I think he know’s what it is since he was one. He is totally committed to excellence cause he’s doing things like this.

  56. marcsasharc says: Feb 10, 2012 12:59 PM

    The biggest issue is they hired a defensive coach as their head coach. Quick, name 5 good head coaches in the NFL who are defensive coaches? It hardly ever works nowadays. I’m sure raider fans are thrilled.

  57. geefan1 says: Feb 10, 2012 1:49 PM

    ___________
    bcb1999 says:
    Feb 10, 2012 10:05 AM
    But, if you remain under contract, they expect you to play out your terms, and not ask for better money.

    This system seems a little “out of whack”…
    ________

    Nothing out of whack at all. When you sign that contract, it’s assumed that you are going to play well and contribute to the team’s success. So if you go out there and play at an all-pro level, then you’ve earned the contract you already received, so there is no need to ask for more money.

    If you fail to contribute, then you’ve not earned your money and you get cut.

    If players don’t like that, they could sign them all to minimum contracts and give them performance incentives, so then in any given year, you’d make only what your performance earns, but I don’t see any players lining up for that deal.

  58. ninerfan94954 says: Feb 10, 2012 1:56 PM

    Al was loyal to a fault and sometimes it clouded his judgement.

  59. robertbudddwyer says: Feb 10, 2012 2:11 PM

    ^ Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, John Fox, and Rex Ryan.

    **Stats in the last 8 years**

    Super Bowl Wins: 5 (6 including Dungy)
    Super Bowl Appearances: 10 (12 including Dungy)
    Playoff Appearances: 21 (dare include Dungy)
    AFC/NFC Championship Appearances: 13 (see above for Dungy)

    …I remember when I first watched football.

  60. ronlm says: Feb 10, 2012 2:15 PM

    Curry, Wimbley, Huff and Kelly can all play ball at a high level. The only real two points against them are:

    A) Having to play in an antiquated system being led by inferior coaches. John Marshall from 2010 was decent enough, but he couldn’t overcome the man system Al demanded being run.

    B) Their contracts. Again, can’t hold this against them… not a one of us here would have declined signing those bloated offers.

    I’m hoping they will all step up and restructure. I think Curry was a steal, and could play very well in a 3/4.

    Wimbley could also fill a 3/4 OLB role like the Texans Mario Williams did.

    Kelly is probably is the best option for restructuring because he’s in the last years of his contract… and yes, the man can play.

    I don’t like the thought of moving Huff to CB… but the guy balls at FS. The defense suffered when he got hurt, and he’s the best playmaker we have in the secondary.

    Again, it’s not that these guys are slouches… they can all play and contribute at a high level. But they all must get on board with the new regime’s plan, and restructure. Every one of them are expendable… they can be replaced. Get on the McKenzie driven wagon, or get kicked off. Pretty much sums it up for me.

  61. nuclearwarfare says: Feb 10, 2012 2:18 PM

    “The biggest issue is they hired a defensive coach as their head coach. Quick, name 5 good head coaches in the NFL who are defensive coaches? It hardly ever works nowadays. I’m sure raider fans are thrilled.”

    -I can think of a pretty good one right off the bat: Bill Belichick.

    I’m not necessarily a fan of “The Hoodie” but I certainly wouldn’t call him an idiot on Sundays. Then there’s Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh. Again, not a Steelers fan, but that’s a handful of SB trophies between the two of them.

    Should I keep going?

  62. wcman says: Feb 10, 2012 2:25 PM

    The first of many necessary cuts I hope. Richard Seymour and his 15 mill should be next, followed by Huff and Wimbley if they won’t take a pay cut.

    This idea that cutting some of these guys will lead to a couple of lean years is ridiculous. The Raiders had the worst defense in the NFL this year and went 8-8. Cutting these guys sure isn’t going to make it any worse because it couldn’t get any worse.

    Carson Palmer is due 12.5 mill which is reasonable for a starting QB and the rest of the offense is set and will return a unit that finished top ten in the league.

    The defense was the problem and is being addressed. This is going to be a record year for FA’s and there will be some good players for the Raiders to sign at much more reasonable contracts.

    Good Job Reggie and keep it going.

  63. thebigcaptain2011 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:38 PM

    My dude looks like far version of Red Fox

  64. ronlm says: Feb 10, 2012 2:42 PM

    >>marcsasharc says: Quick, name 5 good head coaches in the NFL who are defensive coaches? <<

    Bill Bellichick
    Mike Tomlin
    Jeff Fisher
    Mike Smith
    Jim Schwartz

    You're point??

    Can he lead men? Can he coach? Can he organize and direct a football team? These attributes are critical… not his specific mindset towards O or D.

    Seriously… whether a coach has a Defensive or Offensive mindset has nothing to do with whether he is successful or not. There have been many, many extremely successful defensive HC's in the NFL.

  65. raidermike34 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM

    Where is the positivity Raidernation!!
    Plenty are complaining about these needed cuts, we accepted the short term fixes with certain players thinking we were only 1 or 2 players away from getting into the playoffs, all we did was make their wallets fatter as we got nothing in return..Accept it RaiderNation!! we are only trimming the fat, where we can use the extra $$ to sign some nice FA’s that are available and would be a big upgrade over what we have now, replacing those who do not deserve it! We have limited ourselves to the current mediocrity the last 9 years, still thinking we are still only 1-2 players away..We are not! we need solid Structure which equates to =Discipline = Wins! support the current staff as they are only opening everyone’s eyes! Lets Go Silver & Black in 2012!!

  66. marcsasharc says: Feb 10, 2012 3:10 PM

    Good try guys. Next time bring an actual argument that holds some weight. Or at least is logical.

    I remember my first argument. :)

  67. marcsasharc says: Feb 10, 2012 3:11 PM

    You guys actually call BB a defensive coach lmfao.

  68. larrydavid7000 says: Feb 10, 2012 3:59 PM

    just cut them baby just cut.loser of an organization.!!!!

  69. nuclearwarfare says: Feb 10, 2012 4:09 PM

    “You guys actually call BB a defensive coach lmfao.”

    @marcasharc

    I’m “lmfao” at you for failing to understand that Belichick is a former defensive coordinator with the Giants and then a defensive backs coach with the Jets. He’s dabbled on both sides of the ball, but he’s known for his work on defense.

    So, if I were you, I’d ty really hard to NOT remember your first argument… because it’s terrible and dumb.

  70. robertbudddwyer says: Feb 10, 2012 4:15 PM

    Belichic was the Jets DEFENSIVE coordinator before being hired by the Patriots and Super Bowls and Playoffs are not logical when defining how good an NFL coach is?

  71. 2sausage11 says: Feb 10, 2012 4:34 PM

    robertbudddwyer says: Feb 10, 2012 4:15 PM

    Belichic was the Jets DEFENSIVE coordinator before being hired by the Patriots and Super Bowls and Playoffs are not logical when defining how good an NFL coach is?
    =============
    No but wins and loses are and I think his record is pretty good

  72. raiderredleg says: Feb 10, 2012 5:13 PM

    The problem isn’t “out of wack” contracts so much as having ZERO picks through the first part of this year’s draft.

    This is not short term pain for the long term gain…It is freeing up ammo to RELOAD this season.

    Reggie HAS TO cut salary ASAP because free agency is the ONLY way the Raiders are going to upgrade for 2012.

    They had NO playmakers on defenses in 2011 and that has to be addressed ASAP.

  73. schwinnbanger says: Feb 10, 2012 6:10 PM

    Never did agree with the HUGE salaries and LACK of play by our backfield. Regardless, I really don’t like to see the Raiders being dismantled, and I hope they use wisdom with the upcoming draft and free agency. We have, what I consider a Super Bowl calibur offense, so let’s get that defense where it needs to be. Take care all you loyal Raider Fans. Looking forward to be great season next year.

  74. slickster35 says: Feb 10, 2012 7:46 PM

    It’s funny listening to all these pack fans exuding the merits of one of their own, all while having the worst defense in the league. Good luck with all that faid fan. It’s no coincidence that you need help on the defensive side of the ball much worse than the offense.

  75. slickster35 says: Feb 10, 2012 7:50 PM

    schwinnbanger says:Feb 10, 2012 6:10 PM

    Never did agree with the HUGE salaries and LACK of play by our backfield. Regardless, I really don’t like to see the Raiders being dismantled, and I hope they use wisdom with the upcoming draft and free agency. We have, what I consider a Super Bowl calibur offense, so let’s get that defense where it needs to be. Take care all you loyal Raider Fans. Looking forward to be great season next year.

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    A: you have NO draft.

    B: you have no money for FA.

    C: you have an aging, injured offense that is hardly elite. Throw in the retread terrible OC and in reality, you have nothing.

  76. raidermike34 says: Feb 10, 2012 7:56 PM

    It’s funny listening to all these RAIDER HATERS like Slickster who love to read our columns but yet they never mention who they root for..its gotta be a DONK fan or a BOLT fan and we know they aint got nothing to chat about in their world – they are close to jumping on board..welcome to Raidernation Slickster..we love ya!! Tell us something we all dont know..

  77. slickster35 says: Feb 10, 2012 8:15 PM

    raidermike34 says:Feb 10, 2012 7:56 PM

    It’s funny listening to all these RAIDER HATERS like Slickster who love to read our columns but yet they never mention who they root for..its gotta be a DONK fan or a BOLT fan and we know they aint got nothing to chat about in their world – they are close to jumping on board..welcome to Raidernation Slickster..we love ya!! Tell us something we all dont know..

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    At least you had sense enough not to try and debate the obvious. For that you get much credit.

    Chiefs fan BTW, and things are looking up, but thanks for the invite.

  78. murfdeezy says: Feb 10, 2012 11:29 PM

    I love this move. If you all haven’t noticed yet…most of the dead money is on the defensive side of the ball, which also happens to be the side of the ball that has stunk it up. He is sending a clear message and setting the tone for the way this team will operate in the future. It is a crucial move with the loss of Mr. Davis to establish some ground rules and expectations…a baseline for how the organization will be run moving forward, so there is no confusion.

    Al was a brilliant man and as much a warm heart as a calculated killer. However, as he got older he lost his edge. He didn’t have the insight or the energy to put in the hours these younger guys do. That is not a discredit to him. All of you saying that the Raiders died with Al are drama queens. Al’s legend lives on with that team…so you jokers jump ship….and in the same breath have the audacity to talk about how loyal Al was. Al would have shipped you sorry A holes out of Oakland. Bye…don’t call, don’t write.

    As for the rest of us logical and loyal Raider fans…we know that we have to send a message to the free loaders and be more fiscally responsible in order to build a functional team. Draft players, not combine stars. It is not an opinion that our players are overpaid, it’s fact when compared to their peers contracts. It’s not an opinion that the majority of our draft picks under perform or drop off the map. Just look at the rosters and the previous draft picks…and stats if you like.

    I want our old Raider mystique back as bad as any fan on here, but it has been gone for a long time. The only reputation we have had for, at the very least the last decade, is that we are the dysfunctional idiots everyone laughs at and makes fun of. That is not an opinion either. You see it on ESPN, you see it when any analysts are talking about the Raiders. You read it in the papers. For god sake, I hate to hear it, but the whole rest of the world is not wrong. The best way to correct that is to admit you have a problem and then you start taking small steps to fix it. If we cut all that dead weight…I still think we are playoff contenders next year, honestly. In a few years, I see perennial division champs. This is the first time I have been this optimistic in a long time.

    Long live the Silver and Black! Just win baby!

  79. bittersportspills says: Feb 11, 2012 12:39 AM

    Too funny, the whine about the Raiders no longer being “the Raiders”. Have you seen this team play anytime in the past 10 years? The old Raiders of Flores and Madden years are long gone.

    The players aren’t the same players. The old school players would reciprocate Mr. Davis’ trust in them by playing hard and smart. Today’s players might as well have come into camp with guns and wearing ski masks. Need we mention JaBustus Russell, who literally stole $32 million from the team?

    I like McKenzie coming in and “cleaning out the stables”, if that’s what he’s going to do. It’s long overdue. The Raiders need football talent, not sprinters. Routt was an average talent Davis tried to make into an NFL starter by giving him a big check. Its ok to bring raw talent in and try to develop it, but if they show no signs of getting better, they need to move on. You don’t make a mistake by expanding it.

  80. rodster213 says: Feb 11, 2012 3:46 AM

    For the one’s that think the Raiders didn’t have any $$ to go after Aso last yr, that is not true. Al did not want Aso back in Oakland and never offerred him a contract even though Aso wanted that to occur. Hue Jackson even asked Al to offer Aso a contract yet the senile one refused. Now look what we have, exactly what I stated last season. Garbage. However, I believe in Reggie and he will get this turned around. $$man has spoken.

  81. rodster213 says: Feb 11, 2012 3:53 AM

    oldhighs,
    Seymour is the oldest by 14 months. Kelly just looks like that old fat rapper but he’s just 31, Seymour will be 33 in October.

  82. joetoronto says: Feb 11, 2012 5:04 AM

    marcsasharc says:
    Feb 10, 2012 3:11 PM
    You guys actually call BB a defensive coach lmfao.
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    People say the craziest things here but honestly, you take the friggin cake.

    Over and over, you say things that are so wrong, it’s hard to fathom someone actually saying them.

    I’d be hard pressed to name someone here who knows less about football than you.

  83. georgebrett says: Feb 11, 2012 12:12 PM

    If he concentrates solely on defense we will make to at least the 2nd round of the playoffs next year.

  84. truthhammer says: Feb 11, 2012 6:28 PM

    In general, I support this stuff, but some things I’m hearing are making me a little apprehensive.

    Switching to a 3-4? Considering we have 4 good lineman and no good linebackers, and we don’t even have 4 draft picks, that sounds flat out idiotic.

  85. marcsasharc says: Feb 11, 2012 7:52 PM

    lol nuclearwarfare,

    take a course on logic/rhetoric/debate. you will understand the flaws in your logic. peace
    :)

  86. noid25 says: Feb 12, 2012 7:19 AM

    I love Mr Davis but, he mad some horrible moves and draft picks over the years. The Raiders are long over due for an overhaul. It made no sense to give Kelly and Rout all that money! A lot of his draft picks were wasted too!

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