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Roethlisberger would hate to “start over”

Pittsburgh Steelers Pro Bowl quarterback Roethlisberger stops to sign autographs following practice session on Earhart Field on Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Reuters

Ben Roethlisberger has heard good things and bad things about his new coordinator Todd Haley.

One way for Haley to make a positive first impression on his quarterback: Don’t scrap the entire offense.

“It would probably be easy for him to do,” Roethlisberger told Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette about Haley changing the offense. “I don’t know if it would be easy for us to learn it. We’re so young on offense and the most-talented room in this whole building is probably wide receiver, no disrespect to anyone else. And they’re also really young.”

Roethlisberger is worried that starting from scratch will set back the development of young receivers Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, and Emmanuel Sanders.

“That was my biggest talking point to Mike [Tomlin] and those guys — I would hate to just throw everything out and start over because I feel it would set us back two or three years because these guys are just starting to get it.

“I hope we don’t have to start over and, if we do, you know what, here we go. Let’s do it. We’ll do it. We’re not going to complain about it. But I would hate to have to set certain guys back who are doing so well right now,” Roethlisberger said.

It sure sounds like Haley intends to start over.

“We’re going to start with a clean slate and what gives us the best possible chance to succeed and score a lot of points,” Haley said at his introductory press conference.

Haley didn’t sound too worried about upsetting the apple cart in Pittsburgh.

“I am sure [Roethlisberger] will figure out we are trying to make him as good as he can possibly be,” Haley said.

We’re looking forward to watching the dynamics in Pittsburgh next year between Haley, Roethlisberger, and Tomlin. Hiring Haley may ultimately help the team, but it also seems likely to create some drama along the way.

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  1. medtxpack says: Feb 10, 2012 11:17 AM

    Whatever, thats pure Big Ben. You dont get to make the choice and him thinking he gets to shows his arrogance. Multiple QBs have to start from scratch every year and we rarely hear them complain.
    This will be the hardest part to get through Big Ben’s thick skull….
    ““I am sure [Roethlisberger] will figure out we are trying to make him as good as he can possibly be,” Haley said.””

  2. joetoronto says: Feb 10, 2012 11:19 AM

    Please, stop sticking a mic in his face.

    I think I’m gonna throw up.

  3. haileli says: Feb 10, 2012 11:19 AM

    Roethlisberger doesn’t want to start over from scratch?

    Scandalous!

  4. AlanSaysYo says: Feb 10, 2012 11:22 AM

    “I am sure [Roethlisberger] will figure out we are trying to make him as good as he can possibly be,” Haley said.

    Uncharacteristic of PFT not to expound on this quote. It translates to “Ben will shut up and come back to work and do what I tell him to do.”

  5. jw004wv says: Feb 10, 2012 11:23 AM

    Ben, you forgot to mention Limas Sweed! How rude.

    Oh wait…. LOLZ

  6. originalsteelcurtain says: Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM

    “I would hate to just throw everything out and start over because I feel it would set us back two or three years because these guys are just starting to get it.”

    ‘Sup Ben?

    You’ve got mini-camp, OTA’s and Training camp to get on the same page. Why would the Easy Money Crew regress? They will move forward in their development with Haley, not backward.

    Ben is just not over the fact his Sucker Fish Arians is gone!

  7. moderndayjhericurl says: Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM

    Lord forbid he have to read the defense, go through progressions, and get the ball out quickly, instead of a playground offense that consist of holding the ball, escaping the pocket and waiting for coverage to bust.

  8. billobrienschindimple says: Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM

    Like how you omit that Haley stated that Ben and the receivers would have input into what is installed.

    Nothing like agenda driven drivel.

  9. youdownwithjpp says: Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM

    Hiring Haley will prove to be a big mistake.

  10. tombradyswig says: Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM

    I can see this whole Haley thing failing badly, it’ll be fun to watch!!!

  11. righthereisay says: Feb 10, 2012 11:29 AM

    The Rooney’s learned through hiring Joe Walton in 1990/1991 not to start over. It won’t happen again.

  12. bwayno says: Feb 10, 2012 11:31 AM

    Roethlisberger = another quarterback that is successful because of his defense. Their offense never has been that great. Eli is another qb that would have exactly 0 superbowl rings without that defense.

    Now if we could just get Romo some help…

  13. crazycane says: Feb 10, 2012 11:32 AM

    Being that Haley didn’t care what his own OC had to say during the playoffs as a HC. I’m sure he won’t care what Big Ben has to say.

    Haley rode the coat tails of Warner, Boldin, and Fitz.

  14. mongobo says: Feb 10, 2012 11:32 AM

    It might not help the situation Ben didn’t want Arians fired, wanted to talk to ownership about all this, and has heard lots of mixed reviews about Haley… With that on the table, a new coordinator might take offense to a quarterback sticking his nose into coordinator business. He also might not like it if he felt said quarterback was trying to go over his head by talking to the head coach about it.

  15. svn2011 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:34 AM

    Ben should look at brady. How many WR’s and coordinators have changed ? How many times has he complained about the system or players ? He just keeps going ..2001-2004, running game was strong, 2007 -9 vertical passing game with moss and now the 2 TE offense. Do whatever is asked …Ben should just shutup and start doing his job and quit worrying about tomlin and haley’s job.

  16. connie73 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:35 AM

    Ben is worried he may have to learn a new book.
    He is not smart enough or is too lazy.
    He thinks he pays the bills.
    Wise up Ben

  17. gbpackman says: Feb 10, 2012 11:36 AM

    I have always respected the Steelers organization as a whole for making good, sound decisions top to bottom. I don’t understand this at all.

  18. rexryanstoecheese says: Feb 10, 2012 11:37 AM

    Welcome to Alex Smith’s world Ben..

  19. jakek2 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:41 AM

    Back to the Walter Abercrombie days go the Steelers!

  20. brilskin says: Feb 10, 2012 11:41 AM

    There’s no bigger Steeler fan than me, but Roethlisberger should shut his mouth, meet with his coach and show some leadership by getting on board and moving forward. If he truly cares about that talented group of young guys, he’ll lead by example. Maybe it’s already happened, but there’s no reason Haley and Roethlisberger shouldn’t have spoken by now. Enough with the sabre rattling – get to work.

  21. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 10, 2012 11:44 AM

    “Roethlisberger would hate to “start over””

    ———————————————————–

    He’s just lucky he didn’t have to “start over” in jail…

  22. bigbluenationdb says: Feb 10, 2012 11:44 AM

    According to the experts Big Ben is a Hall of Fame QB. With that being said he should be able to pick up the offense with ease. Oh wait, unlike Eli who came in and started as a rookie and understood the entire playbook within a couple months he couldn’t do it.

    Half of the plays Pittsburgh run are busted plays anyway. All his WRs do is run around until Big Ben stumbles out of the pocket then he chucks it downfield.

    OnlyQB in the NFL that has to score 1 TD a game for his team to win. Pittsburgh better revamp that defense.

  23. Stiller43 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:46 AM

    Haley saying he wants to start clean and give the steelers the best chance of scoring points doesnt mean he’ll scrap everything.

    The strength of the offense is ben and the receivers, he plans to utilize them to score points.

  24. jenniferxxx says: Feb 10, 2012 11:46 AM

    It’d be dangerous to start over. He’d almost certainly get convicted this time round.

  25. nflofficeadmin says: Feb 10, 2012 11:47 AM

    Once Ben learns to submit himself to coach Haley’s will he will become a much happier player. Ben submit yourself to your coach.

  26. shotgunformation5wide says: Feb 10, 2012 11:49 AM

    They won’t change the entire offense. The only trouble was Bruce’s ability to adjust during games. With that being said, those bubble screens will be the first to go. Use more motion to help the receivers get off the line better against pressure defense. Bring back the trick plays ala … Randle El in the Superbowl. All fixed!

    Anyway …. thanks for all the Steeler articles Gregg.

    Go Steelers

  27. eaglesnoles05 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:50 AM

    I wouldn’t want to learn a new system after 7 years 2 superbowls and 3 AFC championships either. That’s alot of studying without the incentive of knowing “this will be better.”

  28. eaglesnoles05 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:51 AM

    Addendum: But if I got paid that much to study, I’d have a hard time complaining about it. I’d let the fans do the complaining for me.

  29. haileli says: Feb 10, 2012 11:53 AM

    bwayno says: Feb 10, 2012 11:31 AM

    Roethlisberger = another quarterback that is successful because of his defense. Their offense never has been that great. Eli is another qb that would have exactly 0 superbowl rings without that defense.

    Ben’s QB rating over his career is 92.1. That’s 1.9 points away from Brees and 2.8 away from Peyton.

    Anything else to contribute, sport?

  30. salmen76 says: Feb 10, 2012 11:56 AM

    Wha wha. Big ben is always whining about something. He’s a big tough really good QB but he does whine alot. The fact that Ben was against getting a new Ofensive Coordinator is enough evidence to me that they needed a change at that coaching position. Ben was in a “comfort zone”. He’d rather stick to the status quo than engage in “Change”. But i predict that if Ben welcomes the change and if he and his teamates buy into Haleys system it will make them a better team! Geaux Saints!

  31. donterrelli says: Feb 10, 2012 11:56 AM

    I think it would be great to finally have a high scoring offense in Pittsburgh. I’m tired of these games where they seem to do only what it takes to barely win.

  32. govtminion says: Feb 10, 2012 11:58 AM

    Jason Campbell: “That’s how it is, man, you get a new offensive coordinator every season and start all over learning how to… wait, really? Damn.”

  33. jakek2 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:05 PM

    Meathead is just mad that Haley has actual plays to run instead of what he was used to coming in from Arians. “Throw play” or “Run play”.

    Ben might actually have to perform like an NFL QB, make reads and hit WRs at certain spots instead of running around for his life waiting for a WR to finally get open.

  34. geniusesq says: Feb 10, 2012 12:07 PM

    I have never heard any players say anything positive about Todd Haley. Present or former.

  35. yogikenobi says: Feb 10, 2012 12:07 PM

    I don’t think Ben gets it. He has been beggin to use his no-huddle for years and his beloved Arians never let him unless it was desperation time. A real OC might consider using it during the game. They can run more and use more no huddle and score more. Mindblowing.

  36. johninpa says: Feb 10, 2012 12:08 PM

    As a Steeler fan, I’m a little perplexed by the whole situation. We’ve had a winning team, good offense, and a quarterback coach ready to step into the OC role. Instead we hire Haley. I don’t know his record intimately, but it doesn’t look like he’s been a real winner so far. Then there’s talk that you start with a new offense, rather than build on what has consistently gotten you to the playoffs, three recent Super Bowls and two recent rings. Guess we’ll see how it plays out.

  37. wldkat says: Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM

    Let me translate for the haters : We go to the superbowl every other year in Pittsburgh, We don’t rebuild, We reload !!!

  38. tomthebombtracy says: Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM

    What do you call an Offensive Coordinator who has a 4,000 yd QB, 2 1,000 yard receivers, a 1,000 yard return guy and a decent running game that averaged 4.4 yards a try……and still finished 21st in scoring with a load of turnovers and penalties late in the season that crippled drives.

    This, a season after the O laid an egg with turnovers and missed opportunities in the Super Bowl.

    Out of a job is what you call him.

    No pity parties for Arians…he’ll be coaching Luck of the Indys this season.

    But a change had to come.

    Haley will shake it up for sure.

  39. bdawk20 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:10 PM

    Didn’t Ben have a hard time learning the offense out of college? I thought Cowher had to give him an abbreviated playbook for a few years to let him get the hang of it.

    One thing about franhise QB’s, once they get old, some don’t want to put in the effort to learn something new (cough, Donovan McNabb, cough, puke).

  40. buzzedlitebeer says: Feb 10, 2012 12:11 PM

    If he gains any more weight he’ll be lining up next to Pouncey instead of behind him.

  41. psuravens19 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:11 PM

    Look how heavy Big Ben looks in that picture… maybe he could help out the O-Line issues if he doesn’t want to learn a new playbook.

  42. bwayno says: Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM

    haileli says:

    Ben’s QB rating over his career is 92.1. That’s 1.9 points away from Brees and 2.8 away from Peyton.

    Anything else to contribute, sport?

    ——————————-

    absolutely. i never said he wasn’t a descent qb, what I am saying is he is descent because of his defense! you stick him on a team with no defense and he probably wouldn’t have any rings. I good defense takes a lot of pressure off a qb. Why do you think alex smith was in the NFC championship game?

  43. nineroutsider says: Feb 10, 2012 12:28 PM

    Big Ben must think he’s the GM, the HC, the OC, the QB coach…basically the entire franchise. So sick of this guy already. Just get back to running Big Ben’s Pleasure Stall and let the big boys, who have run a few trophies along the way, run the team.

  44. Deb says: Feb 10, 2012 12:31 PM

    “I hope we don’t have to start over and, if we do … We’re not going to complain about it. But I would hate to have to set certain guys back who are doing so well right now.”

    Ben, that’s called complaining. Stop. Stop talking and start listening. This is a coach, not a lap dog. He’s exactly what you need. As for the receivers … remember Larry Fitzgerald burning our secondary in SBXLIII? There you go.

  45. rmc1995 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:38 PM

    Way to be a leader! When you are against a change because you fear it will be bad for others, it really means you are worried for yourself. A leader wouldn’t say his teammates are too stupid to change systems.

  46. bubba9er says: Feb 10, 2012 12:38 PM

    @bwayno:

    Because he finally had a coach that believed in him and set him up for success. Outside of his awesome TE’s, who gets open on the 49ers’ receiving corp? If the 9ers get Morgan back at full strength and one more piece at WR, Alex will show even more next year. BTW, 6 4th qtr comeback wins this year. That is a QB stat.

  47. shadowgm1 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM

    Keep it up, Benjamin – and you may just be learning a new offense after all. Somewhere like Washington, Miami or Seattle. I doubt the pouting will give you any opportunities in Indy with your buddy Bruce. I’m sure he’s already giddy about the prospects of acquiring and “mentoring” a player like Andrew Luck.

    What’s more interesting about Haley’s hire is the future prospects of someone like Mendenhall in Pittsburgh. I don’t recall hearing anything about him being a prolific receiver out of the backfield.

  48. emmac13 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:46 PM

    I think the Rooneys (Dukes) are keeping Ben (Billy Ray Valentine) to prove a point.

  49. mostlombardisintheleague says: Feb 10, 2012 12:49 PM

    I am curious to know what Steeler Nation would think about Haley for each of the following scenarios, team finishes 2012:
    a.) 8-8?
    b.) 9-7 ?
    c.) 10-6 ?
    d.) 12-4 ?
    e.) 14-2 ?

    And keep in mind that there will be multiple player changes/moves on both sides of the ball in addition to Haley coming in. But if it starts to go bad, everyone will want Haley’s head on a plate, so we may have our goat before the first OTA occurs.

  50. bensstinkyfingers says: Feb 10, 2012 12:55 PM

    Looks like the rebuilding process has begun! At least they were smart enough to realize, the team is on the downslide. They will make a strong run at the playoffs again in 2015, nuless Ben weighs 350lbs. by then.

  51. glac1 says: Feb 10, 2012 12:55 PM

    Ben… do what the coaches say and concentrate on playing instead of lobbying to take the easy road.

  52. bwayno says: Feb 10, 2012 12:59 PM

    @ bubba9er:

    So is alex smith an elite QB for taking an average offense all the way to the championship game? I was impressed with what he did this year (especially in that saints game) compared to all his other years but I still think the defense is the reason the 49ers were so successful, just like the steelers of the past several years.

  53. melikefootball says: Feb 10, 2012 1:01 PM

    This must be a Steeler article..all the negative and hate. Haley has done well in each coaching position. Chiefs he took to the playoffs, this year had no QB so they blamed him. This guy is passionate and that is what the fans want in Pittsburgh. He has tallent to work with and he has the ability to change on the fly. Steelers did not make no snap judgement, hiring in house was done how many times with all the teams changing coaches..very little.

  54. illiniftw says: Feb 10, 2012 1:04 PM

    Ben’s not used to being on the side that is forced to do something he doesn’t want to do. The forcing side he is much more comfortable with.

  55. citizenstrange says: Feb 10, 2012 1:11 PM

    Roethlisberger would have a GREAT point ….. if the Steelers were better than 21st in scoring offense.

    The Steelers should not keep the status quo and Roethlisberger should not think he is doing “good” squeaking out 13-10 wins against sub .500 teams.

  56. rdbucfan says: Feb 10, 2012 1:19 PM

    wldkat says:
    Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM
    Let me translate for the haters : We go to the superbowl every other year in Pittsburgh, We don’t rebuild, We reload !!!

    wldkat, If the Stealers don’t rebuild and they reload, what happened to 1980 through 2005?

  57. clayton43 says: Feb 10, 2012 1:20 PM

    I dont blame Ben at all for concerns. He is in prime of career and worried about starting over. I dont think Rodgers, Bree’s, Eli, Peyton, or Brady would want to bring in an outside OC who is going to totally revamp system ?? Most successful teams when they have thier QB in place hire from within and then tweak the offense from that same system. Ben is 29 and has 5 years left ( being realistic )..Like him or not, his numbers are comparable with alot of the top QB’s in the league and considering he doesnt have much in 1st round talent on offense.. he has done pretty damn well. I would venture to say that most of you have never played the game after high school if at all to say a ( new system ) or the system a QB is in doesnt matter. Alot of great talentt goes to waste due to ( the system) they are in. Alot of talented QB’s you never hear about after college or a few years in the pro’s not because they suck, but because they are in the wrong system for them.
    Make no mistake about it, Ben will be in the HOF when it is all said and done… he wins and he will win more and the Steelers will win more … but I dont blame him at all for not wanting to rock the boat when you have had as much success as he and the Steelers have had.

  58. dickroy says: Feb 10, 2012 1:28 PM

    Starting over could be a good thing. With Haley maybe we can start over by finally taking the offensive line more seriously. Bruce seemed to think that Ben getting knocked around every week was just the norm.

  59. Spencer says: Feb 10, 2012 1:34 PM

    Nothing has gone right for Roethlisberger since… well, you know.

  60. weepingjebus says: Feb 10, 2012 1:42 PM

    Looks like Haley’s first move might be to put a stick with a twinkie hanging from it on Ben’s hat. Jesus

  61. 33rdasylum says: Feb 10, 2012 1:50 PM

    Ben is..wait for it…A Big Dummy!
    Wow, this is going to be a long offseason

  62. barryblogs says: Feb 10, 2012 1:51 PM

    I think Ben makes good points. Just think they shouldn’t be made in public, keep it in the house, talk to Tomlin and Haley and let his view known and they either listen or don’t.

  63. maddog111 says: Feb 10, 2012 1:56 PM

    bwayno says:
    Feb 10, 2012 11:31 AM
    Roethlisberger = another quarterback that is successful because of his defense. Their offense never has been that great. Eli is another qb that would have exactly 0 superbowl rings without that defense.

    Now if we could just get Romo some help…
    ———————————————-
    I didn’t think you could write anything more idiotic than your first two sentences. Then I read your second paragraph. I was wrong.

  64. belairirish says: Feb 10, 2012 2:02 PM

    This has train wreck written all over it. Looks like the Ravens and Bengals will be fighting for the division next season.

  65. chiefsruleraidersdrool says: Feb 10, 2012 2:04 PM

    Ben shouldn’t have much trouble learning Todd’s offense, since it only contains four plays. Run left, run right, run middle, and screen pass. He’s probably just upset that he won’t get to take shots downfield to his recievers and will only get to handoff and throw short little screens.

    I’m just glad he’s out of KC, the fact that he can now sabotage the Steelers is just an added bonus.

  66. podevil says: Feb 10, 2012 2:22 PM

    Gregg Rosenthal is just trying to start some crap! Haley said yesterday that he is not a system OC..that he is going to see what he has and provide the opportunity for the Steelers to score points… He is not going to try to change everything. And for that matter, he was using the same offense as the Steelers with Arizona….Don’t worry about Ben, he will be fine…My gripe with Arians was that he was predictable…I feel that you will not see much difference in the Steelers…but you will see a Steeler team that will be able to adjust…and have some different looks for opposing teams..

  67. nowillrepeat says: Feb 10, 2012 2:41 PM

    Roethlisberger = another quarterback that is successful because of his defense. Their offense never has been that great. Eli is another qb that would have exactly 0 superbowl rings without that defense.

    Now if we could just get Romo some help…
    ———————————————-
    Maybe you could get Romo some hand-eye coordination help.

    Therefore he might not drop the game winning snap.

  68. paulbrown46 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM

    Something is rotten in Pittsburgh.

  69. Deb says: Feb 10, 2012 2:52 PM

    chiefsruleraidersdrool says:

    Ben shouldn’t have much trouble learning Todd’s offense, since it only contains four plays. Run left, run right, run middle, and screen pass. He’s probably just upset that he won’t get to take shots downfield to his recievers …

    ————————————————-
    With all due respect, maybe KC didn’t have the talent to go downfield. Haley didn’t have any trouble calling downfield passes when Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin were on the field.

  70. usf87 says: Feb 10, 2012 2:59 PM

    I’ll tell you what the Steelers did between 1980 and 2005-made the playoffs 13 times. I doubt many other teams can make that claim.

  71. stillers6 says: Feb 10, 2012 3:01 PM

    Do you mean real drama or all the fake drama that you
    Guys stir up? Life will go on, the Steelers offense will be
    Better. And as for all the big updates on the Steelers trying to desperately get under underneath the cap, here is all everyone needs to know : the Steelers will sign every
    1 of their guys they really want long term & get rid of guys
    They don’t want or get them to restructure .

  72. chalkruz1989 says: Feb 10, 2012 3:35 PM

    I am highly surprised the Steelers are not valuing the input from Ben Roethlisberger. He has won two Super Bowls, albeit, playing poorly in there first. But, why not listen to what he’s saying? You don’t want your standup quarterback unhappy.

  73. bubba9er says: Feb 10, 2012 3:41 PM

    @bwayno

    I never said Alex Smith was an elite QB. I just said that he probably wasn’t the weakest link in that passing game this year. Where would D Brees be without his other offensive weapons?? The defense kept the 9ers in the game long enough for Alex to put the O in position to score more points than the other team. He only turned the ball over like 7 times all season.

    How elite do you have to be to win games with the best defense and special teams in the league? Just elite enough to score more points than the other team.

  74. rcali says: Feb 10, 2012 3:50 PM

    Luckily Haley doesn’t have a temper and is easy to get along with.

  75. frank booth says: Feb 10, 2012 3:51 PM

    bwayno says:
    Feb 10, 2012 11:31 AM
    Roethlisberger = another quarterback that is successful because of his defense. Their offense never has been that great. Eli is another qb that would have exactly 0 superbowl rings without that defense.
    ===================================
    What are you talking about? Eli Manning threw for nearly 300 yards in the last Superbowl. The Giants had the 27th ranked deffense in the league, the 32nd run offense, and the 5th best passing offense.

    Moreover, Manning took them 88 yards for the game winning drive. In 4 playoff games, Manning averaged 305 yards per game, threw 9 touchdowns, 1 interception, and completed passes at a 65% clip for a 103 rating.

    In XLII, he takes the Giants 84 yards to win the game. Sure the defense is a factor, as it would be in aalmost any Super Bowl. But Manning earned his rings with strong performances.

  76. johntonioholmes says: Feb 10, 2012 3:51 PM

    Because any player wants to start from scratch.

    Haley won’t. The good coaches normally borrow elements from the previous coach, unless the previous coach was a tremendous bust.

    Tomlin came from an entirely different coaching tree than did Cowher but he basically employed the same system.

    Arians used a lot of the same plays that Whisenhunt did, but he ran the plays in peculiar orders which made the offense predicable.

    Ben maybe shouldn’t be so open about his worries, but they are legitimate worries.

  77. 3octaveFart says: Feb 10, 2012 4:23 PM

    “Hiring Haley may ultimately help the team, but it also seems likely to create some drama along the way.”

    ..and if there really isn’t any, I’m sure that won’t stop you guys in the media from creating some…

    Carry on.

  78. Steeler's Will says: Feb 10, 2012 4:40 PM

    More of the same here, bunch of trolls making stuff up out of thin air. Same clowns in here that were trying to make up a QB controversy in New England. LOL at the short d**k syndrome Raven fans carry around like baggage.

  79. slickster35 says: Feb 10, 2012 7:33 PM

    I’m not sure why Steeler fans would want wholesale changes to your offense. The problem with your team is the horrible secondary. Until thats addressed, you won’t be winning many meaningful games anytime soon.

    In the meantime, you won’t have to worry about Haley changing things up too much. He doesn’t really have any offensive philosophy to speak of. His inconsistency of thought is widely known to Chiefs fans.

  80. backindasaddle says: Feb 10, 2012 7:35 PM

    Having been in business management for many years I know that “change” scares the crap out of people who become accustomed to sameness and stability. Ben is saying that change might be bad ‘because of the young receivers’. I bet that “change” is also a bit scary for Ben himself. Sometimes change is absolutely 100% necessary. The thing that needs to be avoided is change without commitment to the new plan and the resolve by all to make it work. Shifting goals, alternate agendas, weak leadership, lack of unified focus are all detrimental. If Haley comes in and implements a completely new offense, Ben better get with the program and he shouldn’t use the ‘young receivers’ as an excuse for not liking it. Haley isn’t coming in to be Ben’s butt-boy. Haley is coming in to run the offense and Ben had best get it straight that he needs to be open to learning it, get his butt on board, and show all the other players…. particularly those young receivers…. that he IS on board, and make it work. He may not like “change”…. but he’d better buy in or he’ll screw it all up. Change is a part of life, we all need to deal with it and get the most out of it. Sameness and stability is all well and good if it works consistently. However, eventually stagnation sets in and change becomes vitally necessary to success. It’s sometimes called progress.

  81. choppinwood says: Feb 10, 2012 10:10 PM

    @slickster35

    you do know that the Steelers had the top ranked
    pass defense last year, don’t you?

    A team doesn’t earn that distinction with a ‘horrible secondary’. What’s more, they should be even better next year with young players like Keenan Lewis, Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen being given a bigger role.

  82. paulieorkid says: Feb 11, 2012 2:22 AM

    I’m sick of being proven right time and time again.

    This is the latest. The Haley hire was, and is, insane. The botch job on the Arians “retirement” before that was embarassing too.

    The idiocy continues. Almost as lame as running Ben out with a trashed high ankle when he couldn’t play worth a damn – but could guarantee his season from that point forward was over. Same for Pouncey during that stretch. Woodley was also reduced to zippo over moronic calls on playing time. Unbelievable.

    Now this.

    Arians’ issues were essentially OL-related. Now we have a meddlesome owner who is making FOOTBALL decisions and overriding his FOOTBALL people. That always works out well………….when the Danny Snyders, Jerry Jones(es) and Al Davis(es).

  83. Deb says: Feb 11, 2012 1:45 PM

    @paulieorkid …

    You’re worrying needlessly. Art II has been running day-to-day operations for the Steelers since 2003, and was by Dan’s side for years prior to that. We haven’t suddenly brought in a meddlesome owner. Our offense was 21st among 32 teams last year–that puts us in the bottom third of the league. And the problems were not exclusively attributable to the offensive line, though we certainly need to address some issues there.

    One problem with the offensive line is that linemen have be going higher in the draft over the last five years than ever before. Players that once would have been projected for the late first or second round have been going in the first 15 picks. Thus by the time the Steelers pick, the only o-linemen available have been players not worth the money they’d get as first rounders. The Steelers just aren’t going to make those foolish bargains, so they fall back to the best available player regardless of position. We’ve also dealt with a number of unexpected injuries.

    Arians was able to elevate Ben’s game, but only to a point where Ben became comfortable. Once Ben found this comfort zone, he wanted to stay there–and that’s why he’s whining. Ben is tremendously gifted, but he has a lazy streak. He did more to improve his mechanics and his physical conditioning in four weeks working with a private coach during his suspension than he had in the previous three years with Arians. He needs someone who will push him without indulging him in his fantasy that he can thread needles he can’t thread (thus personally creating six turnovers in the SB and the opening game). Arians isn’t that guy. Haley could be.

    Mike Tomlin is Art II’s guy. He’s not going to undermine him. But our QB is almost 30. It was time to make a move.

  84. paulieorkid says: Feb 11, 2012 5:28 PM

    @ Deb:

    Hope you’re right and hope I’m wrong – but my batting average regarding such concerns is exceptionally high.

    Recent History:

    (1) Concerned we foolishly rushed Ben out on a bad (high) ankle. Status: validated.

    (2) Concerned we foolishly rushed Woodley out while healing from an injury. Status: validated.

    (3) Concerned we foolishly rushed Pouncey out in Week 17 while healing from an injury. Status: validated.

    (4) When Bryant McKinnie became a cap casualty in Minny, the obvious decision was to give him a look and bring him on board. We didn’t even sniff around. Baltimore quickly snapped him up and he played very well for them as they swept our Steelers and forced us into a compromised playoff seed. Meanwhile, our OL was atrocious – and an obvious Achilles’ Heel. Status: validated.

    (5) When Brian Waters became a cap casualty in KC, the obvious decision was to give him a look and bring him on board. We didn’t even sniff around. New England soon snapped him up and he played very well for them as they almost won another Super Bowl. Meanwhile, our OL was atrocious – and an obvious Achilles’ Heel. Status: validated.

    This goes back decades. Recall how Cowher rushed out injured 2001 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year ILB Kendrell Bell? I was shocked they’d be so damned foolish with such a precious asset. Turns out Bell’s career got fried over such idiocy. Status: validated.

    To reiterate: hope you’re right; hope I’m wrong. But my firmly held belief is that you’re off base.

    Oh, and the Steeler offense wasn’t 21st in the NFL by the generally accepted standard of yardage. It was 12th in yardage amassed, which is nearly in the top third — with a gawdawful OL and banged up QB.

  85. Deb says: Feb 12, 2012 3:34 PM

    @paulieorkid …

    I was with you on all the other issues, so we’re both batting about the same so far. It wouldn’t surprise me if we had an off year while the new offense is being installed, but then I expect improvement. We’ll see.

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