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The Buccaneers were blocked from talking to an assistant coach about a possible coordinator job for at least the third time this offseason.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports the Bucs were denied permission by the 49ers to talk to defensive backs coach Ed Donatell about Tampa’s defensive coordinator job.

This is a case of the chickens coming home to roost for the Bucs organization. The team used to be infamous for not letting their assistants out of their contracts to go elsewhere, and now they are getting the same treatment from other clubs.

Bucs coach Greg Schiano was also denied the chance to talk to two offensive coordinator candidates before he hired Giants quarterbacks coach Mike Sullivan on Friday night.

The defensive coordinator position may be especially hard to fill with Butch Davis apparently joining the Bucs staff with a yet-to-be-determined title. Teams like the 49ers may be less willing to let an assistant leave if it’s only for a coordinator job in name only, when Davis will really have more power.

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22 Responses to “Bucs get blocked from coordinator interview again”
  1. skoobyfl says: Feb 11, 2012 11:31 AM

    It only hurts the people you work with when they can’t advance their position.

  2. tpa43 says: Feb 11, 2012 11:32 AM

    Worst owners

  3. 6ball says: Feb 11, 2012 11:40 AM

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    Assistant Coaches, or Indentured Servants ?

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  4. mightyleemoon says: Feb 11, 2012 11:50 AM

    The Bucs blocked a few interviews during the Gruden/Allen years. If I recall, it was a grand total of 4 blocks over 6 years. This has nothing to do with chickens coming home to roost and has everything to do with it being late in the game and teams not wanting to fill holes.

  5. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Feb 11, 2012 11:54 AM

    man. they must’ve really ticked off a lot of people and stomped on some toes. this is bizarre. it sucks for the young coach who can’t put together a staff and for the other young coaches who are being denied a chance to move up in the coaching world.

  6. billinva says: Feb 11, 2012 12:07 PM

    Buc’s do this all the time.

    What goes around, comes around.

  7. realitypolice says: Feb 11, 2012 12:14 PM

    The Davis thing seems kind of strange to me.

    First, why don’t they just make him the DC and be done with it?

    Second, why would Davis come for anything less than a coordinator’s role?

  8. dolphins4 says: Feb 11, 2012 12:14 PM

    If the Bucs are smart they’d go after Bradley the ex Penn State defensive coordinator,he is a great coach.

  9. terraj35 says: Feb 11, 2012 12:19 PM

    It has more to do with it being so late searching for coaches then revenge on the bucs

  10. jimmygrahamchrisivory says: Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM

    How is it late to find coaches? We’re only in the second week of February after finishing the Super Bowl 6 days ago and both the start of FA and the draft is a long time from now.

  11. bucfansouthtampa says: Feb 11, 2012 12:57 PM

    Actually I think it is more than that. The Bucs didnt block that many posn coaches, and really that was almost 10 years ago. If a chicken has come home to roost, it wasnt because of what Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden did. Besides, it was those two that did it not the Glazers. I think it is deeper. I think the NFL club look down on the Glazers, with an anti-Semitic tinge. How many committes are the Glazers on in the NFL. Almost none that I know of. Yep, the Maras, Krafts and De Bartelos all hug and glad hand each other, but owners that are not part of the club are blocked.

  12. ruggyup says: Feb 11, 2012 1:15 PM

    What goes around, comes around. Trite but true. Or, paybacks are hell.

  13. spartaninnh says: Feb 11, 2012 1:23 PM

    @mightyleemoon I think it was more than “a few.” (As a lifelong Lions fan who lived through the Marinell years, I have a particular perspective on this.) The Bucs have never, to my recollection, allowed any assistant to interview for any position anywhere as long as they were under contract, period. The assistant would have to allow his contract to expire to get any interviews. So, to the extent that the number of rejections was small, it may simply have been that other franchises knew the Bucs’ reasoning, checked the proposed interviewee’s contract, and moved on.

    If your memory is different, please enlighten me: as I say, I’m a Lions fan, not a Bucs fan, but the Bucs’ reputation has been around for a while now.

    And if this is truly the reason why Schiano is having so much trouble finalizing his staff, it’s a pity for him as a rookie HC. And maybe something the Bucs should have taken into consideration in their coaching choice.

  14. brenenostler says: Feb 11, 2012 2:14 PM

    Wow if I were a coach that got blocked from being interviewed, id be pissed and think about resigning from the team.

  15. digit960 says: Feb 11, 2012 2:30 PM

    Butch Davis doesn’t want to give up the money he’s being paid by North Carolina so he’s not going to take the DC position full time

  16. onebucplace says: Feb 11, 2012 2:31 PM

    Monte Kiffin was interviewed by the 49ers the year the Bucs won the Super Bowl. The Bucs ended up making him the highest paid assistant in the game to keep him — making more than several head coaches in the league.

    Also if we’re going to go after a 49ers coach how about Jim Leavitt. In his one year in SF he coached what Jerry Jones called the most dominant group of any group in the NFL, their LBs. He had a more impressive track record at USF than Schiano had at Rutgers and we already know if a player is out of line Leavitt will smack them around.

  17. onebucplace says: Feb 11, 2012 2:39 PM

    @mightyleemoon I think it was more than “a few.” (As a lifelong Lions fan who lived through the Marinell years, I have a particular perspective on this.) The Bucs have never, to my recollection, allowed any assistant to interview for any position anywhere as long as they were under contract, period. The assistant would have to allow his contract to expire to get any interviews. So, to the extent that the number of rejections was small, it may simply have been that other franchises knew the Bucs’ reasoning, checked the proposed interviewee’s contract, and moved on.

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    This isn’t true, under Rich McKay the Bucs did allow assistants to move on if it was a promotion. These coaches included Mike Tomlin, Herm Edwards and Lovie Smith.

    Once Gruden ran McKay out of town and hired his boy Bruce Allen and destroyed the team they stopped doing allowing this. In fact I believe only Rod Marinelli was able to escape and that was to become the HC in Detroit. He wanted to bring along his son Joe Barry who coached LBs in Tampa but the Bucs blocked it. That’s the one example I can remember off the top of my head but there were certainly others.

    If you look back the coaching success of the Dungy / McKay era vs the Gruden / Allen era it’s pretty obvious that keeping your coaches happy should be part of any plan of long term success.

  18. bucx01 says: Feb 11, 2012 2:55 PM

    Raheem Morris (DC) K State
    Lovie Smith (DC) Rams
    Mike Tomlin (DC) Vikings
    Joe Barry (DC) Lions
    Rob Marinelli (HC) Lions
    Herm Edwards (HC) Jets

    Yep, Bucs don’t let teams talk to their coaches!

    I see 5 head coaches on this list as well.

  19. toonsterwu says: Feb 11, 2012 4:16 PM

    bucx01 – they let guys interview for HC positions because they had to. I believe they rejected several guys from upgrades to coordinator roles, but the only one I can recall is Rod Marinelli right now, as the Bears wanted him to be DC or an AHC when Lovie was first hired, but the Bucs blocked it. Of course, Rod eventually got a HC job.

  20. goldrush36 says: Feb 11, 2012 6:43 PM

    bucx01 says: Feb 11, 2012 2:55 PM

    Raheem Morris (DC) K State
    Lovie Smith (DC) Rams
    Mike Tomlin (DC) Vikings
    Joe Barry (DC) Lions
    Rob Marinelli (HC) Lions
    Herm Edwards (HC) Jets

    Yep, Bucs don’t let teams talk to their coaches!

    I see 5 head coaches on this list as well.

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    Umm because NFL rules prevent them from blocking against HC interviews or front office promotions. QB coach to OC etc etc is considered a lateral move

  21. bucstophere says: Feb 12, 2012 1:57 AM

    Yes but they weren’t interviewed for the head coaching pos. at the time. That came later. Mike, Herm, and Lovie all were made HC after being interviewed and hired for OC/DC positions else where.

  22. spartaninnh says: Feb 12, 2012 2:37 PM

    bucx01 says: Feb 11, 2012 2:55 PM

    Raheem Morris (DC) K State
    Lovie Smith (DC) Rams
    Mike Tomlin (DC) Vikings
    Joe Barry (DC) Lions
    Rob Marinelli (HC) Lions
    Herm Edwards (HC) Jets

    Yep, Bucs don’t let teams talk to their coaches!

    I see 5 head coaches on this list as well.
    ________________________
    Off the top of my head:

    Rod Marinelli: had at least 2 teams ask to interview him before his contract expired, were blocked by the Bucs. He therefore let his contract expire so he could interview elsewhere, and was hired as HC by the Lions. (Thanks a lot, BTW.)

    Joe Barry: Marinelli tried to hire him from TB as his DC in Detroit, but (all together now) Barry had one more year remaining on his contract, and TB refused to allow him to interview. The next year, Barry let his contract expire and came to Detroit as DC. (Again, thanks a lot.)

    The Detroit media was very down on TB at the time and gave much play to TB’s refusal to allow coaches under contract to interview elsewhere. Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong, but they were certainly right about those two.

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