For this question:
Assume 2012 cap is 120 mil and 13 cap is 125.
And a team carries over 30 mil from 11 to 12.

If they spend all that money, they’re sitting at 150 mil and 25 mil over the cap for 13. Where’s the benefit?

Realize you could do a bonus that isn’t prorated in that year and make a huge signing this year, but is there any other benefit?

just making sure you’re aware that paul allen (seahawks) is worth 6 and a half times what the jags new owner is worth. he cofounded a little company called microsoft. oh yeah, he’s also the richest owner in the nfl. just because these guys have money doesn’t mean it will translate into success on the field. all they can do is build state of the art stadiums (century link field, by far the loudest stadium in the US), state of the art practice facilities, and make the right personnel moves. from there every team has the same opportunities through the draft or free agency. its all a crapshoot.

Weaver clearly made sure the team signed nobody last FA.

Also, didn’t the Jags also get flambasted for those signings? I think the improvement to the defense that was seen this past year was well worth the investment in those 3 players. This FA crop should be good, excited to see what happens. But enough bashing Weaver for being cheap.

In other words if teams don’t submit a written request to carry over cap space it is automatically lost.

Fans need to know what that number is and why they wouldn’t carry it over.

The rule itself sounds backwards. The cap space should be carried over automatically unless there is a written request not to.

Sounds like an a back door scheme for the owners.

It isn’t about winning for these teams, it’s about making money, lot’s of it.

You realize that those six teams are probably the six smallest markets of any NFL team? While there is money to be made, it’s not; say; Dallas or NY money. They simply can’t spend the same as large market teams. That’s why the cap floor is a cumulative of all the teams, not individual.

@jbl429 no, I don’t think so, because the floor depends on money SPENT, not potential for money to be spent.

@yogikenobi it won’t work like that when the cap floor rules take effect in 2013. so no, teams won’t be able to cheat the system. everyone will have to be at 89% so no one will be able to load up 20 mil for next year. this just means THIS year is unique because there was no cap floor last year, so these teams actually DID cheat the system the one year you can and were able to do this. these teams sacrificed this year in a sense, but in the case of the Broncos, they won anyways.

Like I said though, Jacksonville is the biggest winner in this because they have the most cap space and a new owner with some of the deepest pockets in the league. Some of the other team’s owners like Buffalo, and Tampa Bay have shown they were on the cheap side (as did Jacksonville’s old owner.)

Honestly, this news about this roll over being real shocked me because it did sound ridiculous but it makes sense once the cap floor hits, it’s geared to help out those smaller market teams who only spend to the 89% to build up a bigger cap and if they begin to earn more money via winning turning into increased revenue sales from tickets and merch then they can begin to spend with the big boys.

Whether that is reasonable and the fans accept it, is a separate question.

It isn’t about winning for these teams, it’s about making money, lot’s of it.

Not true. There wasn’t much out there last year for Free Agents. So these teams, knowing they would be able to carry the cap space over this year, will be primed and ready to hit the long list of Free agents hard.

I think the biggest winner in this change is actually Jacksonville. Obviously because they have the most money to carry over, but the biggest thing is: New Owner.

They have a new owner, who is richer – by far than their old owner. The other teams have the same cheap owners. Jacksonville has a new one out to prove something to his new fans, a bunch of cash, and the most cap space in the league.

All this is telling me… Mario Williams… Vincent Jackson… say hello to…. Jacksonville!?

Something tells me that somehow the Jaguars might of duped us all with that circus last year and actually pulled the smartest move for the future? Think about it. They dumb their aging, high salary QB with back issues who might even retire before the season in a move everyone thought insane, throw their really inexperienced rookie (only played 1 full year in college in a spread offense, youngest QB in the league), then sacked their head coach half way through the season.

They knew the owner was selling the team, they knew Garrard was going be dumped/have back problems, they knew Del Rio was going to get fired. Could they have possibly dumped it last season, got their rookie QB playing experience (though it was HORRIBLE) meanwhile stocking up cap space for the following year to make a huge splash in a deep Free Agency class?

But then again, this is the Jaguars so who knows…

Example (made up numbers):
Say the Bengals have to spend 90% of the cap.
If the original cap were $120m that means a minimum of $108m would have to be spent.

Now say they carry over $20m of cap room (for a total of $140m in cap room). Does that mean they would have to spend a minimum of $126m ?

If this is the way it works, it’s totally understandable why the provision was worked in. Teams like my Bengals who tend to be cheap won’t carry over the cap room since it subjects them to a higher minimum. Or possibly they’ll carry over a smaller amount.

Am I right with this?
-QG