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Pittsburgh “power struggle” puts even more pressure on Haley

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Steelers fans don’t like it when media members not headquartered in Pittsburgh point out the inherent awkwardness surrounding the clumsy, short-lived “retirement” of offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and the somewhat surprising hiring of new offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

It’ll be interesting to see how they respond to Joe Starkey’s take from Sunday’s Pittsburgh Tribune-Review regarding the apparent power struggle between the front office and the team’s franchise quarterback.

Among other things, Starkey points out that Haley didn’t seek out Ben Roethlisberger once Haley arrived at team headquarters, which seems to be yet another Haley homage to one of his mentors, Bill Parcells.

The selection of Haley, given his recent history of apparently shared dysfunction with Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli, creates even more pressure.  Just as Pioli must get along with new coach Romeo Crennel in order to put the ugliness with Haley in the rear-view mirror, Haley must get along with his new boss, Mike Tomlin, and Haley’s primary employee, the starting quarterback.

It’ll be a delicate task for Haley, especially since rumors continue to swirl in league circles that he got the job not because Tomlin wanted him, but because the Rooney family opted to throw a bone to the son of Dick Haley, who spent 44 years with the team as a player and personnel executive.  Todd Haley naturally will be motivated to prove the doubters wrong while also trying to tiptoe around a quarterback who has a stick stuck in a place where sticks shouldn’t go.

It could go very well.  Or it could go very poorly.  And since Roethlisberger has found a way to win the fans over again two years after his misadventures in Milledgeville, Steelers fans will be quick to criticize Haley if Roethlisberger suddenly isn’t playing like Roethlisberger.

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82 Responses to “Pittsburgh “power struggle” puts even more pressure on Haley”
  1. benmci says: Feb 12, 2012 10:30 AM

    Internal destruction – as a Steeler Hater- ya gotta love it!

  2. nomesayin says: Feb 12, 2012 10:36 AM

    If Haley can’t make it work, he will have coached his way right out of pro football. I get the feeling that Pittsburgh is his last stop.

  3. dgbk says: Feb 12, 2012 10:38 AM

    i think ppl are makin something out of nothing….. ben will be fine i can call the plays he will continue to produce…. no one ever called a stand in the pocket 4ever shakin off multiple hits untill wallace streak down the sideline pass play…

  4. yogikenobi says: Feb 12, 2012 10:42 AM

    It can’t go poorly:

    1. There is too much talent on that offense.
    2. Arians’ play calling was a random jumbled mess.
    3. Dan Rooney is getting more involved. Last time that happened was 2001 and the Steelers dominated. With Kordell Stewart.

  5. contract says: Feb 12, 2012 10:50 AM

    He needs to tone it down. Players won’t listen just because you’re loud.

  6. pgh75 says: Feb 12, 2012 10:50 AM

    I think we should give Haley a chance with the Steelers to see if it can work out. It was a time to move on with Arians, granted the Steelers made a mistake by saying he retired while he didnt. Ed Bouchette the most reliable Steelers writer believes the decision to hire Haley was Tomlin’s decision.

  7. tdankmyer says: Feb 12, 2012 10:54 AM

    If Roethlisberger doesn’t play like Roethlisberger, we can blame the offensive line too. Let’s not forget how awful that line is. Also, I don’t know why people find this firing of Arians so surprising. There was a lot of public outrage from fans about Arians. Granted, teams rarely listen to their fans, but the point is the firing wasn’t completely random. Also this so called power struggle has been completely hyped up by the media.

  8. melikefootball says: Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM

    A lot is being made by sports media on something Pittsburgh fans know, Rooney’s run the show. The media likes to hype things up to get their name out there, come on he was introduced to Pittsburgh, so he didn’t look for their QB. Did he look for anyone? The rumor mill is waiting on the draft so Pittsburgh happens to be flavor of the week. The Giants and Pats have had their day now lets hit some other teams.

  9. bensstinkyfingers says: Feb 12, 2012 11:00 AM

    Sounds like this move will definitely go poorly:

    1. Ben is more immobile each year, and the O line is still awful.
    2: Haley, and Ben both arrogant, and wanna be “the Man” thus creating tension in lockerroom.
    3: Owners dont win games, and the steelers are getting old, with the exception of youn WR’s.

  10. melikefootball says: Feb 12, 2012 11:04 AM

    Just got this from a local TV sports show. Manning has been throwing over at Duke and was seen at the Raleigh airport getting on a plane to Pittsburgh. Wonder what that is all about?

  11. dirtdawg55 says: Feb 12, 2012 11:07 AM

    It isn’t a power struggle at all. The owner will win. Big Ben will lose. And it’s about time. He shouldn’t forget how the Rooneys cut him a break two years ago. He seemed contrite enough the first year back but his over-sized sense of self is back. With a vengenance. And it hurt the Steelers last year.

    Under Big Ben’s “leadership” the inmates were starting to run the asylum. Whose decision was it to play Big Ben at the end of the year when he clearly wasn’t able to? Big Ben’s, according to Tomlin. Sorry. Wrong! Tomlin needed a reminder the players aren’t in charge.

    And remember when Troy was referencing a need for some humility in the dressing room after the pasting by the Ravens in game one? Funny how that just slid by, without much media play. Does anyone think he wasn’t referencing Big Ben and his Big Ego?

    And then Ben comes out before the Broncos game and says he hopes Arians is coming back? What? Precisely how was that a helpful thing to say before a playoff game?

    And then he does the interview a hour before the introduction of Haley? Yeah, that was smart.

    Big Ben has won a lot of games for this franchise but he has sunk it a couple of times too what with his loose play (he lost the SB against GB as much as he won the one against Arizona and lets not even talk about the Seahawks SB win – nothing proud of that moment other than the playoff wins to get there). Big Ben is a great talent, but he has an over sized ego and a demand for attention and sympathy that is ingratiating. He needs to be brought into line or shipped out.

    And yes. I am a Steelers fan.

  12. bensstinkyfingers says: Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM

    TMZ just reported that an agent from Northwood Realty of Pittsburgh claimed to have leased a property in Oakmont a suburb of Pitt. whats going on here? Ben may be playing for the Browns next year?

  13. bensstinkyfingers says: Feb 12, 2012 11:27 AM

    To no other than one Peyton Manning.

  14. waccoforflacco says: Feb 12, 2012 11:27 AM

    Not to worry…the Stoolers now have the Heisman Trophy winner in Troy Smith.
    Plus Ben draws his own plays in the dirt anyway.

  15. billybatty says: Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM

    Love to see strife and conflict in a so called “poster child for running your nfl organization.”

  16. gmen1987 says: Feb 12, 2012 11:33 AM

    Greatest block WR ever. Great intimidater at a position not known for rough play.

  17. polishkingski says: Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM

    its so funny when i hear fans of consistently winning teams nit pik the talent of their consistently winning qb. hate to tell you steelers faithful but the last thing that organization should be doing is pissing off the big benster. they need him more than he needs the rooneys. ben if you`re not happy, buffalo`s a lovely place! oh, i almost forgot; haley, pioli, stromboli, cannolli, ravioli….mmmmmmmmmmm.

  18. nightrain42 says: Feb 12, 2012 11:52 AM

    Coaches coach, players play. Look, Haley has won passing the ball, and running it. He adapts to his team. I think if Ben loses the ego I think this will work. But they need to address that offensive line too!

  19. steelerfanforlife says: Feb 12, 2012 11:53 AM

    So it will go really good or it won’t. Powerful journalism!!

  20. citizenstrange says: Feb 12, 2012 12:00 PM

    “It could go very well. Or it could go very poorly.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    IMO it went very poorly last year despite having a crazy easy schedule rotating through the NFC West.

    If I am Art Rooney II here is maybe what I see:

    1) The season starts out with a humiliating 35-7 stomping by the division rival Ravens. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of seven points.

    2) Squeaking out a 23-20 win over the worst team in the entire NFL Colts ONLY because of Polamalu’s fumble recovery TD. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 17 points.

    3) A 17-10 loss to the Texans.The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 10 points.

    4) Squeaking out a 17-13 win over the lowly Jags.The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 17 points.

    5) Losing to the Ravens AGAIN. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 20 points. That’s 27 points in two games against their biggest division rivals.

    6) Squeaking out a 13-9 win against the lowly Chiefs. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 13 points.

    7) Squeaking out a 14-3 win against the lowly Browns. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 14 points.

    8) In a game that would have given the Steelers a playoff bye week and home field advantage throughout the playoffs — making it virtually a playoff game — the Steelers get stomped 20-3 by the 49ers in a nationally televised Monday night game. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of … THREE … points.

    9) The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback sits out against the Rams and using the same (acutally more injured) line and receivers and running backs and offensive coordinator Charlie Batch LIGHTS UP the Rams in a easy peasy leman squeezy 27-0 blowout win. Huh???

    10) The supposedly Pro Bowl quarter is back in action and the Steelers squeak out a 13-9 win over the Browns. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 13 points.

    11) The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback gets badly outplayed by Tim Tebow falling behind 20-6 by halftime and the Steelers go one and done against the lowly Broncos who get blownout 35-7 BY HALFTIME the next week against the Patriots.

    12) In three out of the Steelers past four post season games Roethlisberg plays poorly letting the Steelers fall 20 points behind to start the game.

    13) In the playoff game against the Jets Roethlisberger had a 35.5 quarterback rating and the Steelers would have lost if not for William Gay’s fumble recovery TD. The supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 17 points.

    14) In Roethlisberger’s “finest hour” in the Super Bowl against the Cardinals the Steelers would have lost if not for James Harrison’s 100 yard interception return TD. Up until the miraculous final drive TD to Holmes the supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 13 points.

    15) In the Super Bowl against the Seahawks Roethlisberger had a 22 qb eating and the Steelers would have lost if not for Fast Willie Parker’s 75 yard TD run and Randle El’s 38 yard TD pass to Ward.

    The Steelers win ONLY because of their NUMBER ONE defense and if the defense gives up 20 points it is usually a slam dunk loss so yeah … I would think that some “tweaking” is in order.

  21. heyzeus143 says: Feb 12, 2012 12:02 PM

    if they win, all this talk will be moot

  22. ncsteeler says: Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM

    Ben is an intense competitor. He wants to win a whole lot more than he wants to show up Haley or anyone else. He will do his part, Haley will do his part and there will a parade in the Burgh next Feb.

  23. contract says: Feb 12, 2012 12:06 PM

    “He shouldn’t forget how the Rooneys cut him a break two years ago.”

    Cut him a break? Art 2.0 couldn’t sprint to the podium fast enough to throw Ben under the bus. Art 2.0 declared Ben guilty and guaranteed that he’d be suspended even if Goodell failed to throw the book at Ben for not being arrested and or charged with a crime of any sort.

  24. raider17 says: Feb 12, 2012 12:08 PM

    Man, I hope Haley screws this team up something
    awful! This team is due to go through some dog
    days!
    Here’s to the Steelers demise!!!

  25. rmc1995 says: Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM

    Steelers fans love to blame the offensive line after Ben gets sacked, but love to give Ben all the credit on a seven step drop back nine pattern completions. The front office obviously recognizes that the offensive line isn’t the biggest problem with sacks.

  26. rajbais says: Feb 12, 2012 12:14 PM

    And what will be the result???

    Haley unnecessarily screaming at the faces of Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, and Emmanuel Sanders!!!

    Apparently, common sense is not required for coaches!!!

  27. trbst11 says: Feb 12, 2012 12:20 PM

    oh give me a break? Bruce Arians wasnt let go or retired. His contract was up and not renewed. If ben roethlisburgers contract was up then its up. he wouldnt be retired or fired as the media makes it out to be. The offense will be better under haley. period. making a mountain out of molehill you bad media people.

  28. CKL says: Feb 12, 2012 12:34 PM

    contract says:
    Feb 12, 2012 12:06 PM
    “He shouldn’t forget how the Rooneys cut him a break two years ago.”

    Cut him a break? Art 2.0 couldn’t sprint to the podium fast enough to throw Ben under the bus. Art 2.0 declared Ben guilty and guaranteed that he’d be suspended even if Goodell failed to throw the book at Ben for not being arrested and or charged with a crime of any sort.
    –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    Uhhh what?
    I’ve always been under the impression that the Rooneys and Goodell consulted on this because only the NFL could suspend a guy longer than 2 games. My guess is the Rooneys wanted to let him sit for 4 and there’s no way that could have happened without the NFL being the entity that suspended him. Stop acting like the Rooneys did something unprecedented or wrongheaded by suspending a guy who wasn’t charged with anything. Or perhaps you’ve never heard of Steve Smith and his punchout of Ken Lucas before the 08 season? Carolina suspended him for 2 games without any league involvement and I don’t think the league would have stepped in on that and suspended SS on their own. I’ve always felt that the Rooneys wanted to send a message to their TEAM as well as to BR. Good for them.

    And yes the reason there’s drama is as always because your beloved QB decided to whine about changing the offense etc. Ask yourself this: would anyone be talking about Haley having a possible conflict with BR had BR said nothing, or if he had hesitated in the past to talk crap about some of his more discipline requiring coaches like Whiz? Only a fool would say yes.

  29. horntoady says: Feb 12, 2012 12:47 PM

    There seems to be no difference between football and national enquirer journalism these days.

  30. jrcoop says: Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM

    So citizenstrange your not implying Big Ben is over rated are you? What is it with this Haley guy not arranging to kiss Ben’s rings! This is blasphemy! He must be scourged!

  31. jollyrob68 says: Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM

    If BEns not playing well it all Ben. I’ve been a Steelers fan all my life and Its time Ben got reeled in and Matured past sandlot ball.

  32. napoleonblownapart6887 says: Feb 12, 2012 1:08 PM

    The Steelers have a huge fan page so it behooves the folks at PFT to try to up the page views by harping on what really isn’t that big of a deal.

    Todd Haley has run both prolific passing and rushing attacks, and has great situational play calling. And while he’s somewhat abrasive he can get what he needs out of players when he has a strong support system of coaches.

    The Rooneys have made a number of decisions in the past that have raised eye brows. Most of them workout. Everyone relax here.

  33. jimmysimpson55 says: Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM

    Bad news: Big Ben has gotten fat and lazy.
    Good news: Haley will change that and Steelers will be better for it.

  34. 4evrnyt says: Feb 12, 2012 1:42 PM

    So basically you’re already setting Haley up to be the scapegoat if the Steelers offense sucks next year?

  35. caseyanthonymunoz says: Feb 12, 2012 2:05 PM

    A team shouldn’t have a sex offender as a QB. Karma.

  36. flakazoid says: Feb 12, 2012 2:10 PM

    Don’t listen to Joe Starkey, he has ZERO credibility.
    I once heard him say that mecanics has nothing to do with a pitcher’s control.

    [There are two times in my life that something I heard on the radio almost made me drive off the rode: When it was reported that Magic Johnson was HIV+, and that moronic statement]

  37. halftermguv says: Feb 12, 2012 2:32 PM

    The only thing here that is “apparent” is the need for a sports columnist needing to fill this weeks column with speculation turned into so called facts.

    Why would Todd Haley seek out Roethlisberger when Ben has been yapping about about his displeasure of the dismissal of Arians and his choice for his replacement?

    Haley has been OC for less than a week and this moron declares a power struggle? Please.

    As for the so called demise of Roethlisberger’s talents noted above; that’s why he was in the Pro Bowl wasn’t it? The biggest problem with his game was a offensive line that had everyone injured at some point during the year and a starter out on IR before the season started.

  38. henrykissingerisgod says: Feb 12, 2012 2:35 PM

    citizenstrange:

    Every super bowl joe montana won he had a top defense

    the only super bowl that aaron rodgers won he had a top defense

    when tom brady actually won super bowls he had a top defense

    troy aikman won his superbowls when he had a top defense

    steve young won his super bowl when he had a top defense

    brett favre and john elway: you guessed it!

    I like how you use confirmation bias to make pints in your “supposed argument”. that is lazy and ridiculous and it proves you really do not know anything about football. (which is a team game ya know)

    so go ahead and use this as a vessel for hatred against big ben

  39. pozone6031 says: Feb 12, 2012 2:38 PM

    I am a Steeler Fan. I believe Tomlin has 1 year left on his contract. If he doesn’t get the results he wants art rooney 2 could replace him with Haley. All the Steeler haters only wish they had Art 2 and Dan running their teams.

  40. kilo0986 says: Feb 12, 2012 2:49 PM

    Steelers fans dont like it when the media twist words to try and make a story regardless of where theyre from, for one. And just stop.and think for a second, one of the biggest most succesful franchises in the nfl hire a guy to lead the offense when it has so much talent and a big opportunity to win a bowl but they dont hire him cause of his ability they hire because they want to “throw him a bone”? Tell me, does that make sense?

  41. ridgeavenuehr says: Feb 12, 2012 3:07 PM

    Citizenstrange: well said. My point exactly as to why Arians had to go. Big Ben should be thankful he’s gone.

  42. 6ball says: Feb 12, 2012 3:15 PM

    @polishkingski

    “the last thing they should be doing is pissing off ben. The Rooneys need him more than he needs them. ”

    Strongly disagree ….if roelisberger was to suffer a career ending injury today, the Steelers would acquire another QB via trade or draft and be ready to compete opening day.

    If roelisberger suddenly became a free agent, I’m not certain that he would find a situation like playing in Pittsburgh for 10 million a year so easily.

    .

  43. joeinoh says: Feb 12, 2012 3:27 PM

    Watch your back Haley. Ben and his security team/posse will be watching you every time you head into a bathroom.

  44. quadya says: Feb 12, 2012 3:41 PM

    Uh….the rooney family has made some pretty good decisions in the past several decades. I think ill give them the benefit of the doubt on this one till proved otherwise.

  45. mmcdan133 says: Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM

    Much ado about nothing. Haley will do a fine job. Way too much talent on that side of the ball. How quickly Steeler fans forget that it was Haley’s troops who nearly snatched a super bowl from them 4 years ago. The guy loves to throw the ball, Pittsburgh is built to throw the ball. It will be a great marriage.

  46. racksie says: Feb 12, 2012 3:46 PM

    Wait, Steelers fans get sanctimonious, and provincial about their team? Who do they think they are? Cheesenecks?

  47. heckjeck says: Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM

    2004: 15-1. The Steelers had Faneca and a pretty good offensive line when Ben was a rookie. Lost in the playoffs.

    2005: 11-5. The following year they won the Super Bowl. All anyone talks about is The Bus and the great defense. Ben had a great playoff run.

    After the game, he rides his motorcycle without a helmet. Dumb, but it wasn’t the law to wear one in PA.

    2006: 8-8. Cowher retires afterward. Nobody wants to talk about Cowher mailed it in because of his wife’s health. All anyone wants to talk about is the accident.

    2007: 10-6. New coach and a playoff appearance. Lost to the Jags because of the missed holding calls vs Steelers D-Line.

    2008: 12-4. Super Bowl winners again. Ben leads team down the field and makes a perfect pass to Holmes. Ben snubbed MVP because of the allegations against him.

    Hooked up with girl at golf tournament and after he blows her off she goes psycho saying she always wanted a “little Ben”. Not wise to hook up but 75% of you would do the same.

    2009: 9-7. Five game losing streak does team in. No playoffs.

    Underage girl stalks Ben at bars in GA. Finally he agrees to meet her in the bathroom. I worked at a bar, it happens all the time. Not sticking up for him because he should know better but it was a mutual arrangement. Read the reports. Bad judgment but I would say 50% of you would have done the same under the influence, hanging out with your buddies.

    2010: 12-4. Lose Super Bowl to GB. Rodgers has lights out day. If Mendenhall doesn’t fumble it’s a different story because they were driving. Still had a chance to win in the end.

    2011: 12-4. Lose in playoffs to Denver while playing with only 4 D-lineman all game, no Ryan Clark and a HORRID O-Line. They get killed in Baltimore on opening day but fight their way back all year. Nobody talks about how the defense blew the other Balt game. Tomlin has been trying to incorporate the Tampa 2 defense and did on Balts final drive letting them pick them apart to win at the end. Without that ONE drive, Pitt gets a bye and a home game or two….all because of one drive.

    The bottom line: all you fans of other teams WISH you had the success of the Steelers. They are scrutinized from Ben, to the non-calls on the field and the ridiculous fines….and continuously in the media. If you’re a winner you’re going to have haters…and damn, there’s a LOT of you….but there’s more fans in Steeler Nation. We stand by the Rooneys, Ben and those six trophies.

    Wannabes….be gone.

  48. Deb says: Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM

    As we say in the South, the franchise quarterback can straighten up and fly right. The reason I’m so delighted Arians is gone is because the franchise quarterback has been over-indulged for far too long.

    We don’t need to “let Ben be Ben.” We need to expect Ben to live up to his potential. And he has not done that. He’s tremendously talented, and it has been exciting to see him pull off some seat-of-the-pants plays. But he’s bought into his own mythology.

    Consistent success is a product of constant preparation, not serendipity. He gets into a comfort zone and doesn’t want to push himself to do better because his magic aura will save him when things get tough. Well, the older he gets, the less magic aura he has and the more he needs to focus on preparation and technique. Time to stop talking and start listening to a coach who knows what he’s doing.

  49. heisthejuan says: Feb 12, 2012 3:56 PM

    I love how Big Ben publicly stated his desire to have input on the OC decision and the Rooney family essentially told him to shut up and play QB.

  50. heckjeck says: Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM

    As far as Arians goes…he was HORRIBLE. Winning Super Bowls or not…it was the team and not Arians that won those games.

    5 bubble screens a game, no offensive line and the creativity of A Yellow Smiley Face.

    Not “renewing him” was like the Steelers winning the Super Bowl all over again.

    Haley will be fine and will light a fire. In Rooney I trust. Young blood…it’s a good thing.

  51. bigbluenationdb says: Feb 12, 2012 4:07 PM

    Big Ben sucks. He has hid behind the leagues best defense his entire career. He is fat and sloppy and stumbles around in the pocket until somebody gets open.

    You can tell he is lazy because no qb in the league should be that big and fat

  52. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 12, 2012 4:14 PM

    It could go very well.
    Or it could go very poorly.
    And since Roethlisberger has found a way to win
    the fans over again two years after his
    misadventures in Milledgeville, Steelers fans will
    be quick to criticize Haley if Roethlisberger
    suddenly isn’t playing like Roethlisberger.

    ———————————————————–

    Of course… Tastelessberger is NEVER to blame for ANYTHING.

    If there’s any problems in his life, it’s always someone else’s fault.

    Just ask most Steeler fans.

    My guess is that he could probably “pull an OJ” & as
    long as the trial was held in Pittsburgh, chances are he
    would be let off because they’d be more worried
    about perhaps losing some football games…

  53. antibenapalooza says: Feb 12, 2012 4:32 PM

    We are reminded once again how incompetent on-duty cops and corrupt off-duty cops can together turn attempted rape into “misadventures”.

  54. mydadyourmom says: Feb 12, 2012 4:48 PM

    Jealousy everywhere you nimwits. Steelers will dominate as per.

  55. msclemons67 says: Feb 12, 2012 5:14 PM

    I don’t get the Haley hate. The dude wasn’t a good head coach but that’s true of a LOT of good coordinators. Dick LeBeau is a good example – not a great HC, fantastic coordinator.

    Haley will do fine with the weapons the Steelers have on offense and he’ll be better than Arians in a key area: Haley won’t abandon the run.

  56. hedleykow says: Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM

    The comment about throwing a bone to Haley’s dad explains everything. I’m sure it won’t take long for Tomlin to accidentally tie his shoe laces to Haley’s and they both fall flat on their faces. Thank goodness Haley is no longer KC’s problem. Good luck, Tomlin…you were probably better off letting Big Ben freewheel than you will be with nutcase Haley steering the ship.

  57. steelerstom says: Feb 12, 2012 5:21 PM

    As usual the media needs to create a story so they have, gives them something to write about in the off season. Then of course all the Steelers haters come out from under their rocks and jump on the bandwagon of doom and gloom. Glad to see business as usual otherwise I would be concerned! If you remember right all you “haters”, going into last season these same media members had the Steelers finishing 3rd in the division and not even sniffing the playoffs: due to age, coaching, Ben, etc., etc. Well finishing 12-4 tied for the second best record in the AFC is hardly a failure. Yes they lost to the Ravens twice(costing them the division) but how did the Ravens Super Bowl season finish? All things considered a nice season although it didn’t finish the way any Steeler wanted. Already getting excited about next year can’t wait to hear where we’ll finish according to all the talking heads, they’ll probably have us finishing 4th in the division because of age, coaching(Haley), Ben, etc., etc. Sounds good to me I’ll take another 12-4 season cause I don’t see the Ravens doing that! That gives the Steelers another AFC Central title and a first round bye, so keep up the talk I know we’ll be just that “bad” again! Go Steelers!

  58. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 12, 2012 5:21 PM

    mydadyourmom says:Feb 12, 2012 4:48 PM

    Jealousy everywhere you nitwits.

    ———————————————————-

    Of course us haters are all “jealous”.

    It isn’t every team that has accused rapists, cheap shot artists, & loudmouth, pampered divas on it.

    Sure wish my team did…

  59. jackericsson says: Feb 12, 2012 5:44 PM

    Per Herb Brooks, “The name on the front of the jersey is a hell of a lot more important than the name on the back!”. In the Rooney’s, I trust. To challenge the Rooney’s on personnel decisions is either arrogant or stupid. Or both. This goes for our all pro QB also. I was a Steeler fan before you got there and I’ll be a Steeler fan long after you’re gone. I’ll stick with the owners of 6 trophies.

  60. ravenmaniacisback says: Feb 12, 2012 5:54 PM

    I think this may be a good move by the Rooney’s. The problem is that you have a QB that is need of the spotlight and that while he says he is all about the team….no “team” player is going to put his team in jeopardy of a loss by playing while an injury impedes his effectiveness. The other problem is that you have a coach (and had an OC) that would not stand up to this ego machine and tell him to sit down since you were playing a game that did not matter since you were already in the playoffs. He could have had a bye week or 2.
    Ben would rather play and listen to the media kiss his butt about what a great warrior he is for playing injured.
    Arians let Ben do what he wanted, that is why Ben loved him…..Ben saying to the media that he has heard good and bad things about Haley is not a good start.
    Maybe Haley will be the one to stand up to Ben. That would be a good thing for the steelers!

  61. jimmer2372 says: Feb 12, 2012 6:11 PM

    Steelers will do well……..just the haters just clicking their heels again and again. The Steelers have 3 AFC championships and 2 Rings in the last 7 years. The one thing you can count on is that they will be back. Yes jealousy of their winning ways is rampant.
    Their success is amazing and record setting.

    Haley would still be coaching in KC this year if not for the injuries. The Rooneys are smart and that scares the haters.

  62. td40 says: Feb 12, 2012 7:08 PM

    bensstinkyfingers says:
    Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM

    TMZ just reported that an agent from Northwood Realty of Pittsburgh claimed to have leased a property in Oakmont a suburb of Pitt. whats going on here? Ben may be playing for the Browns next year?
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    Besides the fact that your posts makes no sense- as a Browns fan, the LAST thing on Earth I’d want is that fat load playing for my team. Please God- No. If having him somehow magically meant the Browns would suddenly be a playoff contender, I would honestly prefer to keep losing.

  63. jimmer2372 says: Feb 12, 2012 9:53 PM

    td40….. you will keep losing because…….drumroll please….. you are the BROWNS.

  64. johntonioholmes says: Feb 12, 2012 10:24 PM

    Steelers fans don’t like when media outlets report on tensions because they (and by “they” I mean “PFT”) continuously post half of the story and omit the most important quotations in order to sensationalize the narrative.

    I don’t even doubt that there is a little bit of a power struggle going on; I just think it’s being blown tremendously out of proportion.

    THE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN THE STEELERS HIRED TOMLIN!!!

    The players were skeptical of the decision and of Tomlin’s newer coaching style, which–in Tomlin’s words–”Grinded [the players] down to a nub.”

    The heavy practices burned the team out in 2007, but the players still did as they were told.

    The dissension is worth noting, if only because there is nothing else to talk about. But the “internal struggles” will disappear as long as the Steelers win. Ego or no ego, Ben is still a professional. He didn’t like Whiz’s system; he was probably a little skeptical of Tomlin, like Ward and Farrior were. But he still did his job and he still won games

  65. johntonioholmes says: Feb 12, 2012 10:26 PM

    ravenmaniacisback

    I think you’re clueless.

    Tomlin decided to start Ben in the final week. Just like Tomlin decided to sit Clark in Denver.

    Clark said he would have played, just like Ben would have played against St. Louis.

    Tomlin made the call. He rolled the dice and he lost. Ask Bill Belichick and Wes Welker about that. They did the same thing in 2009.

  66. eleventyeight says: Feb 12, 2012 10:40 PM

    quittsburghstoolers

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    The very fact that you took the time to think up this 3rd-grade level insult/screenname tells me you love the Steeler more than you’d ever dare admit.

    C’mon, come out of that closet: it’s OK to be a Steelers fan.

    Really.

    Be brave.

  67. eleventyeight says: Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM

    And, as usual, Steelers-haters have the right-of-way on PFT.

    Nobody said life was fair, did they.

    Hate all you want, kids: the Black-n-Gold comin’ back year after year, no matter how ong you spend whining online :-)

  68. tedmurph says: Feb 12, 2012 11:17 PM

    There’s a big difference. Pats didn’t need that game in 2009. For the steelers, there was a big difference between getting the #2 seed vs #5, they had to try to win, and BBen gave them the best chance

  69. ravenmaniacisback says: Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM

    johntonio….take off your black and yellow colored glasses….ben made the call of whether he would start or not…just like he influenced the number of times the steelers passed instead of running the ball this year…hence the intro of a new OC that is charged with getting ben under control….

  70. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 13, 2012 12:42 AM

    citizenstrange says:
    Feb 12, 2012 12:00 PM

    14) In Roethlisberger’s “finest hour” in the Super Bowl against the Cardinals the Steelers would have lost if not for James Harrison’s 100 yard interception return TD. Up until the miraculous final drive TD to Holmes the supposedly Pro Bowl quarterback can come up with all of 13 points.

    The Steelers win ONLY because of their NUMBER ONE defense and if the defense gives up 20 points it is usually a slam dunk loss so yeah … I would think that some “tweaking” is in order.
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    Where DO they get these numbskulls?

    Uh, you forget that “number one” defense also BLEW A HUGE LEAD late, and had to get bailed out by one of the greatest winning Super Bowl drives ever — led by, uh was it James Harrison? I don’t think so.

    The Steelers were 6-10 the year before they drafted Roethlisberger. 15-1 the next. Duh. Cowher couldn’t win a Super Bowl to save his life. Then boom, Bill gets his ring. Seriously, anyone who can’t figure out that Roethlisberger is a franchise savior has the I.Q. of a doorknob.
    The Steelers know how far to go without shaking things up too much.

    I love people who still spew the myth that the Steelers win because of “defense” or “the running game” — it’s kind of like people who believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny. The Steelers would be 6-10 without Roethlisberger — this isn’t Flacco and the Ravens.

    That “number one” defense has been blowing leads for years now — Roethlisberger threw what should’ve been the winning TD against the Ravens, except as we all know, the DEFENSE gave up the losing score with just a couple minutes on the clock. Gee, funny how you leave stuff like that out. How convenient.

    The Steelers win the North if not for the “number one” defense blowing it against the Ravens — the only reason they were even playing the wild-card week.

    Like I said, numbskulls…

  71. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 13, 2012 1:04 AM

    Now for the reality check.

    Ben Roethlisberger has for years excelled playing behind an offensive line that would cripple other QBs. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers would be NOTHING if they had to brave lines like this. Roethlisberger should be voted to the Pro Bowl every year just for having to put up with this poor excuse of an 0-line he gets stuck with. You see what happens to Brady when he doesn’t have time for a cup of coffee back there. Welcome to Ben’s world, Tommy. How’s it feel?

    Of course, such things are never credited to Ben, it’s only pointed out all the LUXURIES he has around him. Right boys?

    For some reason, Ben’s success really cheeses off some people, so they have to invent reasons to deny Roethlisberger his props. So they come up with the “Steelers win because of defense” or “Steelers win because of running game” thing. Both are complete jokes, meant to avoid the truth.

    For the record, the defenses Ben’s played with don’t even compare with the Blitzburgh defenses Cowher had in the ’90s and into the early 2000′s.
    The running game was better back then, too. But for some reason, the Steelers could never win it all. Then, the right QB comes along, and boom — two rings within four or five years. You morons want to call that coincidence, or claim it’s because of the “number-one defense,” fine. Just hold your ears to the sound of my laughter.

    Like I said, if you can’t recognize what Roethlisberger has meant to the Steelers, you have the I.Q. of a doorknob.

  72. hobbeslax says: Feb 13, 2012 1:11 AM

    I gotta say as a Steeler fan-I’m a little concerned about this move.
    Roethlisberger haters will hate and if you think he’s a D-bag you may have a point (I think he has made SOME changes for the better). I really think that Hayley is a D-bag and is begging to get the poop beat out of him by a player.
    I’m thinking Rooney 2.0 is sticking his finger into the pot a little too much. Yes an owner owns the restaraunt but it’s the chef that cooks. Please don’t turn into a PA version of Jerry Jones!
    Are we seeing the begining of the end of Big Ben in Pittsburgh? Draft will be interesting. I’m not saying now but when does his contract end?
    And Ben isn’t fat. Yeah, well-not that fat. He’s big boned darn it!

    Go Steelers!!!

  73. ihateannouncers says: Feb 13, 2012 2:20 AM

    Winning will make all of this moot. Assuming these two are true professionals (big assumption??), then they will work together to improve the entire offense. If it works and the Steelers get back to another Superbowl next season, then all of this will be over hyped media sensationalism. If it fails and the offense flops, then the Rooneys will have a huge mess in their house with nobody to blame but themselves. Time will tell..

  74. cheezhead5 says: Feb 13, 2012 4:21 AM

    I agree with raider17

  75. bucfansouthtampa says: Feb 13, 2012 7:21 AM

    Coaches coach, players play. Rooneys will be owning the team long after Ben is arrested and thrown in jail again. Basing the future of the team around a QB is not the way to go-(e.g. Colts). Ben needs to worry about getting on the game plan with Haley, not making demands. or else he is the new starting QB for Oakland.

  76. walkinginthewasteland says: Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM

    Deb says: Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM

    As we say in the South, the franchise quarterback can straighten up and fly right. The reason I’m so delighted Arians is gone is because the franchise quarterback has been over-indulged for far too long.

    We don’t need to “let Ben be Ben.” We need to expect Ben to live up to his potential. And he has not done that. He’s tremendously talented, and it has been exciting to see him pull off some seat-of-the-pants plays. But he’s bought into his own mythology.

    Consistent success is a product of constant preparation, not serendipity. He gets into a comfort zone and doesn’t want to push himself to do better because his magic aura will save him when things get tough. Well, the older he gets, the less magic aura he has and the more he needs to focus on preparation and technique. Time to stop talking and start listening to a coach who knows what he’s doing.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bingo. Ben arguably saved Arians job 2 years ago. Arians let Ben do whatever he wanted and was not helping Ben develop. Steelers arguably missed the playoffs because Ben refuses to dump off the ball. get rid of it and stretches out every play. Often at the wrong time (on 3rd down knocking Steelers out of FG range or making the attempt worse).

    Arians was a genius at refusing to attempt to exploit the opponents weakness. Or if he did have a play that worked, putting it back in the playbook and forgetting it for the rest of the game.

    Tomlin is part of the problem too. Ben should have never gone back in the SF game at the end, and Tomlin allowed Ben to convince him otherwise, after he had pulled Ben out. That should have never happened.

  77. Deb says: Feb 13, 2012 12:35 PM

    @walkinginthewasteland …

    Yes, exactly. I’m a Tomlin believer, but still haunted by his after-game comment that Ben wanted to play and he wanted to support Ben. That’s not his role, and his priorities are off if he thinks that’s appropriate. That game effectively ended our season. Yes, you could make the argument that winning in SF could have meant home-field and a bye for the playoffs. And we clearly didn’t have the depth at QB we should have had. But we didn’t get home-field and a bye. All we got was a further-injured QB. It was ridiculous.

  78. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM

    And here’s another one for our resident hater and chief numbskull…
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    citizen strange says:
    15) In the Super Bowl against the Seahawks Roethlisberger had a 22 qb eating and the Steelers would have lost if not for Fast Willie Parker’s 75 yard TD run and Randle El’s 38 yard TD pass to Ward.
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    That was the ONE AND ONLY contribution from Parker in the ENTIRE championship run. I invite our pal to check out what Bettis and Parker did in the three playoff games leading to the Bowl — then compare it to the passing performances Roethlisberger put up. Then you’ll begin to understand that the 2004-2005 Lombardi Trophy never happens without Roethlisberger’s playoff passing — the missing ingredient in Cowher’s ring quest all these years. For once, the QB didn’t flop in the playoffs under Cowher — yes Roethlisberger disappeared in the Bowl, but again, that championship NEVER HAPPENS without Roethlisberger’s three amazing passing games. Plus, he even bailed out Bettis making that game-saving tackle agains the Colts — even put up the key block without which Randle-El never makes that pass — but remember, the numbskull never gives credit to the QB, only to the defense and running backs.

    And again — Roethlisberger threw what should’ve been the game-winning pass vs. the Ravens this year. Or was it Ben who gave up that 92-yard drive with just two minutes on the clock? Uh I don’t think so. If the defense doesn’t fail, the Steelers win the North, and never have to play during wild-card week.

    This has been a public service message for the benefit of all hater-numbskulls out there.

  79. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 14, 2012 9:39 AM

    eleventyeight says:Feb 12, 2012 10:40 PM

    The very fact that you took the time to think up this 3rd-grade level insult/screenname tells me you love the Steeler more than you’d ever dare admit.

    C’mon, come out of that closet: it’s OK to be a Steelers fan.

    Really. Be brave.

    ———————————————————-

    Uhmm… yeah, right.

    The fact of the matter is I’ve hated the Squealers for over 35 years.
    For that matter, I also hate the Patsys but for different reasons.
    The Patsys cheat to win their titles while the Stoolers
    rely mainly on the NFL & its refs to hand them theirs.
    If there’s any “love” involved, I love to hate on them both.

    Deal with it…

  80. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 15, 2012 12:18 AM

    Yeah, quittsburgh dude… the refs were really in the bag for the Steelers when they RIDICULOUSLY overturned Polamalu’s interception of Manning in the 2005 divisional game, huh? THAT travesty of refereeing was worse than ANY call against Seattle in the Super Bowl. But where are you to call it then? Huh? FACT: IT WAS THE STEELERS WHO SUFFERED THE WORST HOSE JOB BY THE REFS IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLAYOFFS. That was THE single worst call EVER. Of course, you haters conveniently leave this kind of stuff out of your memories. Tsk tsk.

    Sorry, you haters will have to come up with something better than the phony “refs” excuse…

  81. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 15, 2012 3:10 AM

    bucfansouthtampa says:
    Feb 13, 2012 7:21 AM
    Coaches coach, players play. Rooneys will be owning the team long after Ben is arrested and thrown in jail again. Basing the future of the team around a QB is not the way to go-(e.g. Colts). Ben needs to worry about getting on the game plan with Haley, not making demands. or else he is the new starting QB for Oakland.
    —————————————-

    1. Exactly when was Roethlisberger ever thrown in jail? Uh, news flash — he hasn’t ever even been CHARGED with a crime, let alone convicted. News flash number two — you have to be put in jail the first time before there’s an “again.”

    This is the logic of the clowns who “assume” he committed sexual assault, when in fact there’s no basis for anything like that.

    2. Haley will worry about crafting the best game plan to fit the franchise QB’s needs — or else HE’LL be looking for an assistant trainer’s job in Oakland.

    3. Players play, but franchise QB’s rule. This handful of elite players is set apart from the rest, like it or not.

  82. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 16, 2012 8:02 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:Feb 15, 2012 12:18 AM

    Yeah, quittsburgh dude… the refs were really in the bag for the Steelers when they RIDICULOUSLY overturned Polamalu’s interception of Manning in the 2005 divisional game, huh? THAT travesty of refereeing was worse than ANY call against Seattle in the Super Bowl. But where are you to call it then? Huh? FACT: IT WAS THE STEELERS WHO SUFFERED THE WORST HOSE JOB BY THE REFS IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLAYOFFS. That was THE single worst call EVER. Of course, you haters conveniently leave this kind of stuff out of your memories. Tsk tsk.

    Sorry, you haters will have to come up with something better than the phony “refs” excuse…

    ———————————————————-
    One call is all ya got? HA!

    And I suppose you’ll tell me that the Immaculate Reception WAS a legal play then? Funny how (by 1972 rules) that play should have been whistled dead. And how’s about the Mike Renfro TD catch in the playoff game VS Houston ion 1979 that was incorrectly called incomplete? Or the Kordell TD “catch” VS the Colts in the 1995 playoffs where Kordell is shown freely & clearly stepping in and out of the back of the end zone several times before catching the ball, which should have been called incomplete. And (of course) the many terrible calls (too many to mention them all) made VS Seattle in that Super Bowl which unfairly handed the Steelers the title on a silver platter.

    I’d love to just ONCE hear even ONE Steeler fan admit their team got any of these favorable calls that weren’t deserved but they never will. Steeler fans are as bad as Boston fans in that regard…

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