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Roethlisberger, Harrison may restructure contracts

Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger, Ryan Clark, James Harrison, Mike Wallace Aureana Tseu, U'ilani LaBoy AP

As the Steelers deal with the practical consequences of a mismanaged cap situation, two of the team’s key players are next in line to “restructure” their contracts.

According to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and linebacker James Harrison could join cornerback Ike Taylor and linebackers LaMarr Woodley and Lawrence Timmons in creating cap space via adjustments to their deals.

Roethlisberger is due to earn a base salary of $11.6 million in 2012.  Harrison’s contract calls for a base rate of $5.565 million next season.

Harrison’s agent, Bill Parise, tells the Tribune-Review that the soon-to-be 34-year-old linebacker would be “very willing to help.”

For a so-called “simple restructuring,” who wouldn’t be “very willing to help”?  Under such arrangements, the player gets most of his compensation for the year now, with only the minimum salary based on his level of experience deferred until the 17 paychecks issued during football season.

But restructurings merely push today’s cap problems into the future, driving up a player’s cap number in subsequent seasons and forcing the team to continue to deal with the issue.  At some point, the Steelers need to take pay away from players, either by cutting them or reducing their pay under the threat of a release.

The obvious candidates are receiver Hines Ward ($4 million base salary in 2012), defensive end Aaron Smith ($2.1 million), nose tackle Casey Hampton ($4.89 million), tackle Willie Colon ($4.5 million), linebacker Larry Foote ($3 million), and guard Chris Kemoeatu ($3.577 million).

Part of the problem, as pointed out Tuesday, is that one of the Steelers’ best players has no contract for 2012, because of the Steelers’ prior habit of signing all draft picks taken after round two to three-year contracts.  With the elimination of the restricted free agency tender that holds a guy in place for a one-year salary of less than $3 million and sets compensation if he leaves at a first-round and third-round pick, the Steelers now have to consider paying Wallace $9.5 million or so for 2012.

They’ll face the problem again in 2013 with 2011 team MVP Antonio Brown, who signed a three-year deal in 2010.

Though it’s not popular in Pittsburgh to say anything critical about the Steelers, fans should be wondering why the Steelers weren’t willing to impose four-year contracts on all draft picks at a time when pretty much every other team was doing it.  Yes, the practice saves a little money because the signing bonus applies to three years and not four.  But with Wallace and Brown now in position to put the Steelers over a barrel in each of the next two seasons, it would have made much more sense to spend the money necessary to sign guys to four-year contracts.

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  1. cbass59 says: Feb 15, 2012 7:32 AM

    fans should be wondering why the Steelers weren’t willing to impose four-year contracts on all draft picks at a time when pretty much every other team was doing it.
    _______________________________

    I think fans will take the Steelers success over the last deacde over “pretty much every other team”.

    Pretty much every other teams signs multiple free agents every year too. How many teams have have been to 3 superbowls in the last 7 years?

    Name a team that makes the right move with every player. I think drafting Wallace (3rd Round), Brown (6th round), and Sanders (3rd round) is pretty good and we got them cheap for 3 years. All three made less than $1.5M combined. You can’t be upset when that runs out.

  2. redguy12588 says: Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM

    Thank you Captain Hindsight! A little criticism is fair, but no team has been as successful in the last 8 years, so I guess I would trust them.

  3. griblets says: Feb 15, 2012 7:36 AM

    “it would have made much more sense to spend the money necessary to sign guys to four-year contracts.”

    Which, in their cases, would only delay the inevitable another year.

  4. tomthebombtracy says: Feb 15, 2012 7:39 AM

    Maybe the “blame” in all this is the Steelers’ remarkable ability to draft good young players and even undrafted free agents. Brown was a sixth; Wallace a three. Harrison undrafted. That was three of their four players playing in the Pro Bowl this year.

    If that’s where the “blame” lies, bring it on. We’ll jsut assume the Steelers good run there will continue. At WR alone the Steelers have replaced No. 1s Burress and Holmes (and No. 2 Randle El) just fine.

  5. heyzeus143 says: Feb 15, 2012 7:44 AM

    a deep threat is nothing without an O-line

  6. contract says: Feb 15, 2012 7:44 AM

    Re-signing Wallace and Brown is not an issue. The money is available. Quit hyperventilating.

  7. sudz28 says: Feb 15, 2012 7:51 AM

    I have no problem with either restructuring; Roethlisberger is making questionable decisions starting when he’s clearly too injured to do so, and Harrison was fairly irrelevant last year.

  8. emmac13 says: Feb 15, 2012 7:55 AM

    The whole team should restructure and take less money. They did not make it to the Superbowl or the AFC Championship.

  9. jc1958cool says: Feb 15, 2012 7:59 AM

    over rated over paid!

  10. bikeman99 says: Feb 15, 2012 8:10 AM

    Wallace will get a tender of 2.7mil, they can match any offer, no big deal.

    No team will give up a 1st rd. pick, besides Wallace’s work ethic is average at best

  11. ridingwithnohandlebars says: Feb 15, 2012 8:10 AM

    Keep hearing about how the Steelers cannot keep operating like this but there is no sign that they are going to stop and they continue to remain competitive pretty much every year.

  12. vincentbojackson says: Feb 15, 2012 8:13 AM

    The reason it’s “not popular” to question the Steeler’s method is because 6 Lombardi’s seem to indicate they know what they’re doing.

    They’ve been in challenging situations and been faced with tough decisions before. Each time they emerge regardless of how much dirt people try to bury them.

  13. mwm367 says: Feb 15, 2012 8:17 AM

    They will find a way to weasel around the rules. They always do. They are one of those organizations that think the rules do not apply to them.

  14. reed20ravens says: Feb 15, 2012 8:23 AM

    harrisons contract:
    3 suspensions in one year = 10,000 bonus

  15. ravenator says: Feb 15, 2012 8:23 AM

    And they said Kahn was effective at managing the salary cap. This is awesome. Steeler fans will soon realize that their front office is subpar.

  16. eddddddd says: Feb 15, 2012 8:24 AM

    Sometimes I hate that there is a salary cap. You draft smart, develop players and in the end just get screwed anyway.

  17. tmc4real says: Feb 15, 2012 8:26 AM

    The Steelers mismanaged the cap situation? They have all but one major free agent under contract. You mention the salaries of 5 players that they can release to free cap space (although your amounts are not quite accurate). Of the five you mention, two are starters and those five are not even the most likely guys to be released.

    The Steelers can release Chris Kemoeatu and save $2.39M against the cap. They can release Ward and save $3.39M. Hampton saves $5.89M because he is due a $1M roster bonus. Larry Foote saves $3M. Aaron Smith saves $2.1M. Jon Scott saves $2.2M. That is 6 players that will open just under $20M and the only starter is Hampton, who tore his ACL and is in his mid-30s. Jon Clayton estimated them to be $130-$135 million towards the cap next season and it has yet to be announced. That would put them under enough to franchise Wallace since the tag number will be lower due to the new way it is calculated.

    They lose 1 starter and retain a young player. What you call mismanaged, others call different. Teams release older players and those that fail to perform every season. The Steelers could do that with those 6 and only lose 1 starter and be viable under the cap. Furthermore, while they are restructuring and moving money into later years, the Steelers rarely back load contracts and pay large signing bonuses, so even if they move money, they do not have the large numbers that some contracts carry.

    I would rather have the majority of my starters signed and have to jettison depth and older players to get under the cap than have a little cap space and a glut of free agents. There are plenty of teams out there that have not “mismanaged the cap” but won’t be able to sign all their free agents. How is that better?

  18. 3octaveFart says: Feb 15, 2012 8:49 AM

    “At some point, the Steelers need to take pay away from players, either by cutting them or reducing their pay under the threat of a release.”

    We went round-and-round about this during the strike, but here it is in a nutshell…

    Players are expected to fulfill their contracts, while owners are not.

  19. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 15, 2012 8:57 AM

    “Though it’s not popular in Pittsburgh to say
    anything critical about the Steelers…”

    (Because the truth hurts!)

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    “… fans should be wondering why the Steelers weren’t willing to impose four-year contracts on all draft picks at a time when pretty much every other team was doing it.”

    (It’s a combination of reasons. They are both foolish & cheap)

  20. jr4real says: Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM

    “mismanaged cap situation”? What a tool. Its nice to have a dedicated fan base that will boost your page views when you write something stupid and annoy them.

  21. Lonely Libertarian says: Feb 15, 2012 9:23 AM

    You have got to love the internet – were facts and analysis do not matter – only page views :-)

    1. You have to start with the assumption that Smith is not coming back – Hampton will be cut since he is headed to the PUP list at the start of the season and Kemoeatu is toast – he is the human flag machine when he plays – Hayley will want him GONE. And Ward is not going to be back unless he is willing to go lower than his current offer.

    2. From there you have to ask yourself which two of the three you wideouts do I HAVE to keep. That allows you to be comfortable with Wallace leaving for a first round pick if someone wants him bad enough.

    3. The cost of the linebacker group needs to be reduced – that can happen if there is restructuring – but it can also happen with a smart draft strategy too.

    4. The Steelers have always been the opposite of the Bucs and Bengals – they are happy to use available cap dollars to the max to compete and keep players as content as possible. They are pushing the limit for the next two years – but will be fine and can make the needed changes – as I understand it by 2014 we get a huge cap increase with new TV money…

  22. steelerdynasty2010 says: Feb 15, 2012 9:31 AM

    if i didnt know any better, i’d think this was the first time in the history of the league that any team has ever restructured contracts in the offseason to create cap room for the upcoming season.
    here’s what all you haters are failing to remember. the rules only dictate that you be in cap compliance for the current year. not for years to come. for example, we could sign contracts that are way under the cap for this year, but 80 million over for next year. teams (all of them) have to look at this each year as they try to balance front loaded and back loaded contracts to stay under the cap.
    players retire, skills erode, team philosophies change, coaching staffs are retooled, players are cut, etc. lots of things come into play year to year that help a team determine who to keep, cut, resign, restructure etc.
    you haters can continue to jump up and down on the panic button if you like, but realistic steeler fans know much much different. as i recall, most of you are the same people who claimed we wouldnt even make the playoffs this year, would finish last in our division, wouldnt be above .500, etc…..

  23. peytonwantsaflag says: Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM

    looks like Stealer fans are about to find out the definition of lucky vs good – the last few years weren’t a matter of Roonies being good but rather lucky (draft wise, division wise, etc)-

    The 80′s-90′s are much more indicative of who the Stealers really are.

  24. dickroy says: Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM

    No, fans should be wondering why other teams are not willing to follow the Steelers way of doing business, given their success over the years.

  25. terrellochouno says: Feb 15, 2012 9:46 AM

    Didn’t Ben already restructure his contract once? How many times can the Steelers redo his contract without breaching it outright?

  26. nickster31 says: Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM

    peytonwantsaflag says: Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM

    looks like Stealer fans are about to find out the definition of lucky vs good – the last few years weren’t a matter of Roonies being good but rather lucky (draft wise, division wise, etc)-

    The 80′s-90′s are much more indicative of who the Stealers really are.

    *********************************

    WOW, you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

    For starters, in those “down” years of the 80′s -90′s? Pittsburgh made the playoffs 12 times in those 20 years. That is 60%. PLUS, they made it to the Super Bowl once. That means in those 20 years, the Steelers did better than most teams in the NFL.

    Draft wise? You HONESTLY want to compare the early round success of the Steelers in the last decade to ANY other team in the league? Ben Roethlisberger (2 Pro Bowls), Santonio Holmes, Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward, Maurkice Pouncey (2 Pro Bowls), Troy Polamalu (6 Pro Bowls), Heath Miller (Pro Bowl), Plax Burress (Super Bowl Champ).
    How is that luck?

    I’m guessing you are probably a Ravens fan?

  27. mattmillen4president says: Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM

    peytonwantsaflag says:Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM

    looks like Stealer fans are about to find out the definition of lucky vs good – the last few years weren’t a matter of Roonies being good but rather lucky (draft wise, division wise, etc)-

    The 80′s-90′s are much more indicative of who the Stealers really are.

    This is the dumbest post in a mostly ridiculous post. What they are is a team that lost in the Wild Card round. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not something from 30 years ago. Jesus, your stupidity is mind boggling.

  28. napoleonblownapart6887 says: Feb 15, 2012 10:07 AM

    This isn’t anything the Rooney’s and Colbert haven’t had to deal with before… in fact its something they’ve done quite often over the last decade or so.

    When they start pushing against the cap, they restructure the deals pushing a higher cap number into the future, and then they cut the player before that comes to bear. They did it with Jason Gildon, Joey Porter, Clark Haggans, Plaxico Burress, Alan Faneca, Kendrell Bell, Kendall Simmons… the reason the Steelers can survive doing this is because they draft extremely well. Gildon left, Porter steps in, Porter leaves, Haggans steps in, Haggans leaves, Harrison (and Woodley) step in. Pick your 5-6 franchise guys (Ben, Troy, Wallace, Woodley, Timmons, and Pouncey if I had to guess) pay them and cycle younger cheaper talent into the other positions. If you can draft well and have a front office that can manage the cap then its a recipe for long term success.

  29. joe6606 says: Feb 15, 2012 10:09 AM

    The cap will be massively increasing soon due to the new CBA and new TV contracts. I wish someone would cite for us when exactly (2013? 2014?).

    Unlike the recent past where restructuring contracts could come back to haunt you with dead space taking up all of your cap, there really is no harm in pushing cap money to future years.

  30. crosberger says: Feb 15, 2012 10:20 AM

    Wow, a post relating to the Steelers, and not one idiot Steelers hater has written something accusing Ben of rape! That has to be a first!

    The Steelers face some tough cap decisions – hardly a unique situation. I would still take their chances to finish in the playoffs next year over most teams. I look forward to seeing how they get under the cap and back in business.

  31. bensstinkyfingers says: Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM

    Eventually all the “creative contracts” come back to haunt you. Looks like the stealers are starting to reap what they’ve sewn to try and stay competitive. At this point this once proud organization, is looking like the most dsyfunctional in the league. All sign point to a decade of bottom feeding in the AFC north. They had a good run.

  32. buzzedlitebeer says: Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM

    @quittsburghstoolers

    Nice name if hating makes you happy.

  33. steelersarewhatfootballisabout says: Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM

    It is very amusing to see all these Steeler haters say that we’re lucky in drafting, we’re gonna face the mistakes of how we run the franchise with contracts, that the 80′s-90′s teams are what we really are as a franchise, etc.
    Really? That’s the best you can do? How about facing the truth? How about facing reality that they are one of the most consistently competitive franchises in the major North American professional sports leagues over the last what, 40 to almost 50 years now?! This is a franchise that yes, the first 40 years as the NFL was starting to grow, they weren’t competitive year in and year out, and were downright abysmal. But that was a much different era in the league regarding those first 40 to 50 years. It was more about who had the ‘toughest’ team than about getting specialized players and the complexity of today’s game. I get so tired of the Packers fans and what not talking about more NFL championships when they had what, 30,000 fans cheerin’ guys on when they were just starting to use leather helmets?
    The Steelers maintain composure, they don’t need to trash talk like Ravens players, and they go 12-4 when many people left them for dead, and had a chance to still win the division the last game of the regular season. I can guarantee other teams don’t have that mental toughness, most of all Baltimore. They focus on beating Pittsburgh so badly they lost sight of the other games on their schedule. That’s not mental focus and maturity.

  34. geezohman says: Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM

    I’ll take the data from the last ten years or so.

    What AFC team was made playoffs and SuperBowls? the most?
    In AFC North
    In AFC Playoffs
    SuperBowls..

    (Steelers are constantly there)

    Other north division.. Cleveland Clowns.. more starting QBs since 1999 than any other team in history. BUngals… interesting past year, we’ll see if sophmore jinx hits Dalton.
    Ravens… Flacco…. they choke sooner or later..
    New England manages to get there alot

    I’ll trust in the Rooneys… the old man still attends the games, (Art’s son #1,
    #2 is quickly showing who is in charge, (glad BA is gone and Ben will finally ‘learn’ discipline’ &(no doubt the hard way, unless his wife tells him how it is too)

  35. rc33 says: Feb 15, 2012 10:51 AM

    Anyone left w/ the Steelers that hasn’t already restructured?
    How about Dan Rooney and Ireland?

  36. steelersarewhatfootballisabout says: Feb 15, 2012 10:55 AM

    And look at their track record in making it to the Superbowl and being competitive in the last 5 years. How many teams can say they’ve got a young Head Coach who in the first 5 years of his tenure has already been to 2 Superbowls and is 1-1, especially in this era of free agency and salary cap? Despite our gaffes in the first half against Green Bay, we still had a chance to pull it out in the end. You think other teams would have had that type of pluck with the injuries Ben was playing on on that game and had endured all season?

  37. haileli says: Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM

    Contrary to what some of the idiot trolls are saying, there’s nothing wrong with restructuring contracts. Teams do it all the time. What’s the issue? The players get more money up front, and the team delays a hit into future years, where the cap is almost certain to be higher. If it’s such a problem, why are players so anxious to do it?

    How classless and stupid of the Steelers, trying to preemptively write checks before they’re legally obligated to do so. Do you regular trolls ever think before you type?

  38. sbs9101314304043 says: Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM

    This is getting as old as the Hines Ward story. The Steelers knew what they were getting themselves into and have a solid plan. Speculate all you want, start any rumor you want, but the front office is as solid as any in the league.
    What amazes me is the media’s infatuation with the Steelers.

    Hines Ward will go down as one of the greatest Steelers, but he needs to realize that it is time to retire. All he has to do is look at how Franco Harris ended it and he would realize it is time.

    Wallace is a talented receiver, fastest in the league, but he should be named Clifford Franklin because his hands are not his best attribute.
    Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton are probably done. Smith has not finished a season in 3 years and Hampton”s knees are shot. Time to pass the torch to Ziggy hood and Ironhead Heywood Jr.

  39. thraiderskin says: Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM

    my question, How is Big Ben only making 11.5 million? The guy has two rings, makes the o-line look better than it is and despite an injury plagued playoff outing, is a top 5 QB.

  40. olcap says: Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM

    They should just cut their ties and their losses with Ike Taylor. This guy isn’t a top tier DB, he’s a joke. Tebow owned this bum in their playoff game.

  41. bray72 says: Feb 15, 2012 11:47 AM

    Very insightful comment on 3 yr contracts vs. 4 yr contracts for rookies???

    Hmmm. How does that play out for many other teams with their 4 yr rookies who outperform their contracts and hold out or are disgruntled?

    I think I’ll take the 3 yr route and pay them what they’re worth and have happy campers – which the Steelers almost always have!

  42. haileli says: Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM

    olcap says: Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM

    They should just cut their ties and their losses with Ike Taylor. This guy isn’t a top tier DB, he’s a joke. Tebow owned this bum in their playoff game.

    Are our attention spans really this short? Taylor had a great season and one miserable game, and he is a bum? Sheesh. I blame Lebeau more than I blame Taylor. Guys have bad games. It happens. Yet Lebeau didn’t give him the help he needed.

    Seriously, did you pay attention during the regular season?

  43. numberonesteelerhater says: Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM

    You Steeler fans kill me. Why don’t we, for the sake of argument, cancel the games for every season forthcoming and just have a huge ceremony every year awarding the the Lombardi trophy to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Maybe Madonna will sing or something. That way everyone can be spared of all the whining, moaning, and abnoxious behavior from Pittsburgh fans. No arguing. Just Steeler fans with their team and the Lombardi trophy. The winningest and whinyest team and fan base in the world and everyone can acknowledge that. Then, finally, we can all be spared of your nagging and whining.

  44. tobiasjodter says: Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM

    “it would have made much more sense to spend the money necessary to sign guys to four-year contracts.”

    ———-

    Does anyone really think the Steelers would get away with another year or TWO of paying Wallace and Brown 3rd and 6th round pick salaries after making the Pro Bowl? They’d end up negotiating a new contract or a holdout would likely ensue.

  45. haileli says: Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM

    numberonesteelerhater says: Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM

    You Steeler fans kill me. Why don’t we, for the sake of argument, cancel the games for every season forthcoming and just have a huge ceremony every year awarding the the Lombardi trophy to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Maybe Madonna will sing or something. That way everyone can be spared of all the whining, moaning, and abnoxious behavior from Pittsburgh fans. No arguing. Just Steeler fans with their team and the Lombardi trophy. The winningest and whinyest team and fan base in the world and everyone can acknowledge that. Then, finally, we can all be spared of your nagging and whining.

    Who is doing that on this board? This is about delaying cap hits, not Super Bowl prospects. Sounds like someone is just trying to lay the bait.

    A better statement would be “you Steelers trolls kill me.” You create user names like numberonesteelershater and quittsburgstoolers and then expect to be taken seriously.

  46. numberonesteelerhater says: Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM

    @ haileli
    And the bait you took. I would advise you not to take anything serious on the internet i.e. my username.

  47. haileli says: Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM

    numberonesteelerhater says: Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM

    @ haileli
    And the bait you took. I would advise you not to take anything serious on the internet i.e. my username.

    Actually, I’m just giggling at you. I take plenty seriously on the internet if it comes from an intelligent and credible source. You do not apply. Thanks!

  48. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 16, 2012 7:35 AM

    haileli says:Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM

    A better statement would be “you Steelers trolls kill me.” You create user names like numberonesteelershater and quittsburgstoolers and then expect to be taken seriously.

    ———————————————————-

    Oh, and suppose that we are supposed to “take Steeler fans serious” when they are always making excuses for their team’s players? A QB who has been accused more than once for inappropriate sexual behavior, a cheap shot artist WR, and dirty hitting LB with a big mouth.

    I don’t expect to be “taken serious” by Steeler fans because if they did, they would be forced to admit everything that isn’t perfect about their favorite team and its players and you’ll never see that happen. Steeler fans never admit that the Immaculate Reception was illegal, that the refs blew the call on both the Mike Renfro TD catch in 1979 & the Kordell TD “catch” in 1995 and how the refs robbed the Seahawks of their title by handing that Super Bowl to Pittsburgh by crushing Seattle with a bunch of terrible calls.

    Just once I’d love to hear just ONE Steeler fan admit their team benefited greatly from the refs. But it ain’t ever gonna happen. Just gonna hear more excuses and denials…

  49. dirtdawg55 says: Feb 16, 2012 7:48 AM

    Mismanaged cap? You could only wish Foolio. Let’s look at facts. The Steelers have kept their core team together to make several runs at the playoffs, going to the SB three times and winning twice. Check. Most of their young talent is locked up for a few more years including an incredibly cap and salary friendly deal to their QB. Check. They are already under the cap giving them time to figure out what to do with Wallace. Check. They can free up far more room by letting go of three back-ups (Ward, Kemoeatu and Foote) a 37 year’s old defensive end who hasn’t played a full season in the last three (Smith) and a rotational tackle who is coming off of a serious knee injury (Hampton). Check. They are pushing cap pain out to the future when the cap will significantly increase and when big salaries like Harrison’s will come off either because guys aren’t re-signed or they are cut at the tail end of their careers. Check. They have three wide outs to potentially give two big contracts to (you need two starters, not three). Check.

    Yeah. Some mismanagement. Terrible. I am shaking in my boots.

  50. steelerdynasty2010 says: Feb 16, 2012 1:07 PM

    @quittsburghstoolers:
    i take you plenty serious buddy. i think you’re right on the money. those were actually steeler coaches disguised as refs during the Immaculate reception and the entire world was none the wiser.
    still bitter about specific plays from ’79 and ’95? how often does mom let you out of the basement? maybe if you’d stop yelling about the steelers down there, maybe she’d trust you to come up with the rest of the family.
    you’re also right about that Seattle superbowl. i’m always hoping no one looks at the tape and sees the refs trip the seattle defenders on willie’s run, or knock the ball free from Jerramy Stevens’ hands when he was WIDE OPEN. and a little known fact is that the refs actually got a piece of the 50 yard field goal that Brown missed. watch the game again and i’m sure you’ll see bad holding calls/non-calls throughout the game buddy…and jackson’s PI was a textbook call, get over it……
    bad calls/non calls happen in every game and at some point, everyone benefits and everyone gets burned.
    and finally to ben. we have this thing in our country called a judicial system whose motto is “innocent until PROVEN guilty”…note the proven section of that saying. not accused. if i say you did something, does that make it so? if you’re sitting on evidence and/or know something that would aid the investigation and prosecution, then shame on you for sitting on it. that’s illegal. you should be arrested, charged with, and convicted of obstruction of justice.

  51. quittsburghstoolers says: Feb 17, 2012 5:50 AM

    @ steelerdynasty2010:

    I love how all you childish homers have to resort to calling us haters those silly names because you can’t bring yourselves to admit that the NFL wants popular teams like Pittsburgh to be more successful than less popular teams like the Seahawks or the Oilers.

    Okay, I can play that name calling game, too.
    If you Steeler fans would try kissing a woman once in a while maybe you’d find there’s more important things in life than your football team to focus all your thoughts & energies on. You know, that might explain why the Steelers have no cheerleaders because Steeler fans are more interested in looking at big sweating guys in tight pants than in looking at beautiful dancing women in skimpy clothes. (Happy now?)

    Funny how at the biggest moments in the most important games the Steelers almost always seem to get the breaks. These calls I mentioned weren’t in week #3 of the regular season. They were all in the playoffs and had a direct effect on the Steelers winning.

    For example, the Immaculate Reception was illegal by the rules at the time. After the play was over, the refs all gathered to discuss how to call the play. The head of the refs called over stadium security & asked if they could protect the refs from Pittsburgh’s mob fans. Security said “no, we can’t” so (out of fear) the play was called a TD instead.

    That’s a true story. The head of the referees told that in an interview for NFL Films years later. Had it not been true, I’m sure someone from the security team would have made a statement denying it. But they didn’t.

    So please tell me that the Immaculate Reception was a legal play. Can’t get even 1 Squealer fan to say it wasn’t.

    Bottom line is that just like in baseball where the Yankees seems to get all the close calls in the biggest games because the MLB wants them to, so is it like that with the NFL & the Steelers. Otherwise there are a helluva lot of “coincidences” going on here. And of course that’s exactly what Stooler fans want people to believe, that all that “help” was just a “coincidence”.

    Bullsh*t!

  52. steelerdynasty2010 says: Feb 17, 2012 1:02 PM

    @quittsburghstoolers:
    again, that game was how long ago and you’re still whining? what about the steelers makes them so attractive to the NFL? they have played a relatively “boring” type of football through the years. we arent exactly in a big market. we have a large following yes, but success can do that for you. prior to that game, why would the NFL favor the steelers? they had been terrible for 40 years prior to, so your theory on the subject comes off as paranoid at best. the basement comment was just tongue in cheek buddy, didnt mean to hurt the mature sensibilities of someone with the SN quittsburghstoolers and consistently refers to Steeler fans as “stooler” fans, so for that, i’m sorry.

    i think it’s common knowledge that it was illegal according to the rules then (a rule that has since been changed by the way, only highlighting how silly it was to illegal in the first place), but the call was the call, i doubt the league or the team had anything to do with it. if your story is true, then shame on the refs and security, but the league conspired to make it happen? really?

    i’ll admit i really did like this though:
    If you Steeler fans would try kissing a woman once in a while maybe you’d find there’s more important things in life than your football team to focus all your thoughts & energies on.

    made me think of this:
    YOU came onto one of OUR TEAM’S pages to whine about some conspiracy theory about the league conspiring to make us successful almost 40 years ago on a page about restructured contracts for current players

    “You know, that might explain why the Steelers have no cheerleaders because Steeler fans are more interested in looking at big sweating guys in tight pants than in looking at beautiful dancing women in skimpy clothes.”

    ….or maybe we dont need gimmicks to fill our seats

    “Funny how at the biggest moments in the most important games the Steelers almost always seem to get the breaks.”
    so Dwayne Washington really roughed joe nedney in that playoff game (guess that wasnt a big moment)
    where the hell was the phantom holding call on tebow’s ot td? we need our money back from those guys (cuz broncos v patriots was what the nfl REALLY wanted, not steelers v. ravens)
    they didnt try to blatantly take away troy’s int vs the colts in ’05 playoff game? (cuz there’s nothing special about peyton manning getting to the superbowl)

    i can go on, but i think i’ve illustrated my point. YOU’RE PARANOID…bad calls happen to and for every team.

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