Flacco’s agent targets top-five money

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Though many Ravens fans have expressed relief over the fact that the team and quarterback Joe Flacco will begin negotiations on a contract to replace the one that expires after the 2012 season, talking about Flacco’s value could lead to some sharp differences of opinion.

Flacco’s agent, Joe Linta, recently set a high bar.

“If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun.  “He is a player who has been extremely durable, never missed a game.  And he’s done something that no one has ever done.  In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and has more wins than any other quarterback.”

Talks will commence at next week’s Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.  Linta says it will be a “brief chat over coffee,” and not a “Hatfield and McCoy thing.”

Still, folks shouldn’t get their hopes up.

“We’re not going to have a press conference next Saturday to announce his extension,” Linta said.  “In order to do Joe Flacco’s contract extension, we have to start somewhere.  And that’s sitting down and chatting, and that’s what we’re doing.”

We’ve got a feeling that it will be many Saturdays before an extension is announced, especially if Flacco wants to be paid among the top five quarterbacks in the game.  We like him and we believe he’s underrated and overcriticized, but to put him with guys like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger seems to be a little premature and/or presumptuous.

155 responses to “Flacco’s agent targets top-five money

  1. Sorry, but where does it say that Flacco’s agent is targeting top-5 money? The article in the Baltimore Sun specifically states that the agent and the Ravens’ cap specialist have not exchanged figures. Money is not mentioned. What I see is Linta propping up his client’s value by pointing out his winning record. What I don’t see is him targeting top 5 money. Am I missing something?

  2. No problem Joey.

    You just need to prove to me that you’re one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL.

    Who among the following are you better than? In other words, who among these would do better for the Ravens?:

    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Drew Brees
    Eli Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Philip Rivers
    Matt Schaub
    Tony Romo
    Jay Cutler
    Matt Stafford
    Cam Newton

    Oh they all would? Um well than can you leave my office now please?

  3. Top 5 money for a top 20 Quarterback? If he gets it done, i’m going to hire him as my agent. I’m sure Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Haloti Ngata had nothing to do with all of “Joe’s” wins.

  4. Joe deserves it, he’s no regular Joe.
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    No he doesn’t. Top 5 money?? All those QB’s have Super Bowls. Flacco’s never even been to one and will never get there. If this is really a QB driven league, he’s just not good enough. He deserves Phillip Rivers money…not top 5 money. Not even close

  5. The agent’s argument is a constant series of stepping around Flacco’s individual worth and touting that he has top 5 value because he’s surrounded by top 5 talent.

    The litmus test for top 5 worth is to ask if he is good enough to pull an 8-8 team to the Super Bowl or bring a 2-14 team to 9-7. I think the answer to both is no. He may be top 10 but definitely not top 5…

  6. Linta is doing what any agent in his right mind should say to get his client the most money possible, but Flacco sure doesn’t deserve top five QB money, and I like Flacco. I don’t see this negotiation taking too long or being any significant distraction though.

    It’s a shame the Ravens probably won’t be able to keep Grubbs too. He’s been solid on the O-line since his rookie year.

  7. If he thinks he’s worth that type of money he should sign a one year deal (he’s not even a FA yet) and let the numbers prove it.

    It’s a team sport. Wins aren’t all on the QB.

  8. doesn’t deserve top 5 money. His win loss record is distorted because of an incredible defense. I don’t think the ravens will ever win a super bowl with flacco playing QB.

  9. Why exactly is Phillip Rivers name listed with the other QBs? He has not done anything to have his name mentioned with Rodger, Brees, Brady, Eli or Little Ben. Rivers is a an overrated loser.

  10. 4 of those guys have the superbowl rings to back up a top 5 argument. 3 have multiple rings. Shut up and take the contract you get. It’s not just about winning in the nfl. It’s about winning when it counts the most, which is in january. Mr flacco has simply not gotten the job done.

  11. He should be paid $1,000,000 each for four games in a row. Then, he should be paid $100,000 for the next game. Back to $1,000,000 for a couple of games and then back down to $100,000 for a couple.

    This pay is in direct correlation with the consistency of his play.

  12. Pay the man! The numbers don’t lie, all those wins were obviously due to Joe Flacco’s arm.

    Seriously, his payday has been delayed longer than most QB’s with his success. Throw him a stack of cash and let him know you’re serious about him.

  13. Doesn’t matter what people outside of Baltimore think. We love Joe. You can hate him all you want but we know what bad QBs look like, and Joe is not one. Not to mention the fact that you can count on one hand the number of QBs that have not missed a game in their career, won at least one playoff game every year and have a cool unibrow.

    As for the contract itself, this is a tough one because with all that said, he is not in the same class as the top 5 guys. But he is better than the Fitzpatricks, Kolbs, and Cassells of the world. I trust Ozzie and Pat will figure out the right spot and a deal will be done and then they can focus on finding him some more talent at WR.

  14. Agreed, I listen to NFL Sirius the other day and they listed every starting quarterback and they took Joe over all except your obvious 3-4 guys, no offense to giants fans or this writer, but Eli doesn’t deserve to be in your list at the bottom, if your not willing to put flacco there, then scrap eli, he’s never been anything great until this year…

  15. HA HA HA HA HA – top 15-20 money maybe

    Let’s face the facts. If Joe played for a team like the Browns or Bills he would still be waiting for his FIRST playoff appearance.

  16. What he meant to say is: “And he’s done something that no one has ever done. In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and [IN SPITE OF JOE, THE DEFENSE HAS CAUSED JOE TO HAVE] more wins than any other quarterback.”

    Other than that, no concerns.

  17. Hysterical. Top 5 … hysterical. He’s a decent, starter-level NFL QB. But he’s more like 10-15. Which isn’t bad … unless you want to be paid like a top 5 guy.

    I can only imagine the whining and pouting he’s going to do. Epic stuff.

  18. i would like an honest answer from Ravens’ fans,.

    Do you believe he is worth top five CA$H??

    i like Flacco , but at the same time, i dont think he is a top 10 performer. I havent checked, but do his stats even back that up??

    I mean, kid is tall and has a cannon, but i feel his decision making skills are not ‘there’ yet.

    Every big game i see him in, he does nothing but check down. I feel like he cant work through his progressions, or at least doesnt trust the OL to give him 3-to-4 seconds in the pocket.

    I like harbough and the whole Baltimore squad, but i think giving Joe a top 5 contract would be counter productive with aging CBs, DBs, OL, & S.

    thoughts?

  19. Wins is important for a QB, sure. But he’s riding on the back of one of the best defenses and a great running game. Sure, he hasn’t had the most talent at WR to work with, but how many times can you remember Flacco carrying the Ravens on his back for a win? I can remember a dozen times or more that Rodgers, Brady, Eli, Rivers and Big Ben have carried their teams. I can only remember one game Flacco did it– against Pittsburgh this year. He’s not a top 5 QB. Maybe he cracks the top 10.

  20. “If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],”

    Yeah, thats the standard for the playoffs. Not for the 18th highest rated QB last year. Or is Kevin Kolb top 5 as well?

  21. Top 5 money means top 5 QB performance. He needs to get in the top 10 first. In no particular order.

    1. Brady
    2. Manning
    3. Rodgers
    4. Brees
    5. Roelisberger
    6. Rivers
    7. Manning
    8. Schaub
    9. Stafford
    10. Ryan

  22. As a Ravens fan..I’ve been a huge supporter of Joe. I think he is a top 10-12 QB in this league. With that being said..there is no way I’m paying him top 5 money if I’m Ozzie.

  23. Flacco is a solid QB, but he has also played for a really really strong team and a very good coach as well.

    He also gets to lean on one of the best D’s in the NFL as well. While Flacco is not some guy that needs to have his hand held, he is not a top 10 QB ability wise and not even in the same stadium with guys like Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Eli, and Peyton if he is healthy.

    Elite QB’s are able to completely take over a game and leave the opposing defenses with no answer for what you are capable of doing.

  24. What is his agent supposed to say? “No – my guy does not deserve top-5 money.” Both Flacco and his agent have a direct financial interest in getting maximum value for his talents. Is he in the same class as the other QBs you listed who have rings (with the exception of Rivers) – no. The Ravens will articulate the reasons why he may not deserve top-5 money. Ozzie and the front office did not just fall off the turnip truck. They have historically done a good job in negotiating extensions and value for players. An agent is ALWAYS going to inflate the value of the client he represents. It would be a pretty stupid negotiating tactic not to do so. Hopefully the two parties can find a common ground, reach a fair valuation with incentives that does not cause too much downstream salary cap impact, and lock Joe up for the future. He is a good QB, durable, and a solid character young man. I think he is the right fit for the franchise and worth a fair long term deal.

  25. He is Tony Romo with an ACTUAL running back…and a DEFENSE. He is a good REGULAR SEASON QB…will never win the BIG GAME. He just doesn’t have the killer instinct that the other TOP 5 QBS (Rodgers,Brees,Brady,etc.) have.

  26. Matt Ryan got 70+ million as a rookie. That’s the floor for Flacco’s second contract. So he should be in 70 to 80 million range. If it gets to 90, that is to much.

  27. There’s nothing wrong with targeting top 5 money because you don’t want to negotiate against yourself by going for anything less than that – as the agent said you have to start somewhere.

    This leaves it to what he deserves and what he’ll get. He deserves 8-12 money. Sure he’s good in the regular season (although I’d take issue with someone saying he’s ‘top 5’ in the regular season) but its NOT all about the regular season, its about winning championships, and Joe hasn’t won any. Not saying that’s all his fault – just stating a fact: having a ring on the resume gets you PAID.

    So yeah – 4 years $44 million sounds about right. Don’t think they’ll commit to more than 4 years due to his inconsistency and lack of ring.

  28. It’s agent’s job to get Flacco the best contract he can but he’s definitely not top 5. He did well in the Championship game but he was 50-50 at best this season. He played well some and played poorly in others.

  29. I like Flacco… I really do, but top 5 QB?… Sorry I dont buy it. Is he even top 10? Rodgers, Eli, Brees, Ben, Rivers, Brady, a healthy Peyton, Schaub, Ryan, Stafford… Nope. I guess he isn’t. Lets put it this way… If you need a final drive and your top RB is out and it all relies on the QB would you rather have him over one of those guys above? Im not knocking him. He is getting better and I know he just wants respect, but there is no way he is worth that asking price.

  30. Imagine if the Ravens really had a top 5 QB to go with that defense. That would be scary. Flacco isn’t even top 10. He’s still decent and deserves to be a starter, but not top 10.

  31. How many playoff games have Rivers, Schaub, Stafford, or Ryan every won and who do they have on the outside to throw to?

    Vincent Jackson
    Antonio Gates
    Andre Johnson
    Megatron
    Roddy White
    Tony Gonzalez
    Julio Jones

    If they can’t win with those players what do you think they would do with Baltimore’s WR corp?

    Joe is not top five, but I think he is better than some if not all listed above.

  32. Top 5 quarterback? Hilarious. If they are going to have a “brief” chat over coffee, I’m not sure the mug will even be filled before this chat ends. He may have a lot of wins under his belt, but these wins are not because of Joe Flacco, they may very well be in spite of Joe Flacco. Sure, he’s durable and has been a decent “game manager”, but if Baltimore indeed had a “top 5” QB, they would have even more wins in recent history, including a trip to the most recent Super Bowl…

  33. He is a top ten qb easy. Everyone forgets… If lee Evans doesn’t drop that pass every pundit would be talking about how clutch he is and how he finally is on the.way to be elite. Numbers don’t lie people. Joe makes it easy for the ravens to win. Its not 100% Joe but most good teams win as a team anyway.

  34. Something that just came to my mind that I haven’t heard anyone else say yet…why don’t the Ravens take the Saints approach to this? Why is it Joe Flacco MUST get a new deal right now? Think about it if the Saints have a top 5 QB(which Joe is not) and they let him actually go into his last year of the contract knowing the pro’s and con’s of that decision, it would only make sense for Ozzie to take the same approach. What do they have to lose? You sign him now and risk over paying by a lot, or you let him play it out like Bree’s and the money will come. He’s gonna get his money one way or another, why not let him play with that chip on his shoulder next year knowing that what you would have paid him now will most likely be around the same amount you will next off season. “What if he play’s lights out then walks” you might ask, well just like the Saints that is a possibility in this ordeal but unlike Brees I really don’t see another team swooping in and making him a deal that would make him leave Bmore. I just can’t for the life of me understand why he MUST be paid now.

  35. Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Drew Brees
    Eli Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Philip Rivers
    Matt Schaub
    Tony Romo
    Jay Cutler
    Matt Stafford
    Cam Newton

    ___________________________________

    more guys on the list include:

    jason campbell
    carson palmer
    mike vick
    matt ryan
    jay cutler

    andy dalton will join this list before long

    these are guys who would have won the same amount if not more than flacco if given the same team. maybe flacco is hamstrung by the o.c., or maybe the o.c is hamstrung by him. but eiother way he doesnt do enough to be ahead of any of these guys

  36. Give him what Trent Dilfer got in his best year + 20% for inflation.

    Oh wait…Dilfer won a Superbowl. Joe hasn’t.

  37. Joe Flacco wants Top 5 money? I really don’t put him up there with guys like Rodgers, Eli, Brady, and Brees. Those four guys are on a world class level. I don’t see Flacco in that calibre right now.

  38. If he’d said top ten, I wouldn’t have disagreed. Top FIVE? We’re really saying he’s Brady/Brees/both Mannings company? Come on.

  39. Bring back Dilfer, Flacco sucks. This guy deserves top 15 to 20 quarterback money. If the Ravens give him a big contract then Ozzie needs to be commited.

  40. Of course he is starting the negotiation asking for top 5 money. If there is any shred of argument that Joe is worth that kind of money (winningest QB in his first 4 years) then his agent isn’t doing his job if he doesn’t start there. Obviously the deal won’t end up there, and both Joe and his agent know that, but that is how negotiations work. Anyone acting as Joe’s agent could call Ozzie Newsome and get Joe top 20 money and get a deal done right away, but recent history says he should be able to do better than that (See Michael Vick, Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel – all got way more than what they are worth). These agents get paid big money for a reason.

  41. @jerobinewsome, I’m no Giants fan, BUT Eli Manning displayed more of a killer instinct than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. EM was a stone cold killer. Does Flacco have that beast inside? Well, haven’t seen it yet. Can you grow a beast?

  42. You people listing Ryan, Schaub, Romo, and Stafford ahead of Flacco must be delusional. For starters all 4 have a core of receivers much better then what Joe has had to work with and no Cam Cameron to boot. Not to mention all 4 don’t have a Ray Rice and play in a completely different style of offense then the Ravens.

    The Ryan comparison drives me insane! Matt Ryan and Joe Flaccos regular seasons numbers are darn near identical look it up! Accept one thing….Ryan cant hold a candle to Flacco in the playoffs. Maybe if Joe came out of a division 1 school like pretty boy Ryan they would ride his nuts more. Oh yea one more thing how many playoff games have those 4 quarterbacks won in recent memory?

    Last time i checked Flacco did not drop that pass that Evans did in the AFC championship though he did drive us all the way down field for the game winner. Top 10 money Joe, top 5 is unrealistic but shoot for the stars!

    Baltimore gets tired of you haters but we are used to it. I predict an Eli Manning type career for Joe……he will get his respect in due time.

  43. “If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun. “He is a player who has been extremely durable, never missed a game. And he’s done something that no one has ever done. In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and has more wins than any other quarterback.”
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    True for any other player on the Ravens who hasn’t missed a game in the last four years.
    Are they all top 5 too? Nobody, including Flacco believes he is the reason for all their wins.

  44. I must say I have read many ignorant posts. Either the posters never saw Flacco play (and only see highlights of what the media present) or they just don’t know the game.

    As far as decision-making, Flacco does a great job. He usually puts the team in a position to win and seldom throws up a game-losing interception. He still struggles with pocket awareness, but he has been improving.

    Most good quarterbacks have struggled in their first 4 years and usually haven’t lived up to their potential yet. Look how badly Manning played in his fourth year. I remember people saying how he was a bust. They were wrong. I suspect the Flacco doomsayers will be wrong as well.

    Of course we don’t know what Flacco’s future hold. If you believe the media pundits, Flacco never will be any better than the waterboy. And we all know that is not true. All things considered, he has had a very successful first 4 years.

    The Ravens cannot afford to let him go and will pay him the money. Whether he deserves it or not will only be known during the years of the contract.

  45. “haileli says: Feb 16, 2012 9:05 AM

    Sorry, but where does it say that Flacco’s agent is targeting top-5 money? ”

    When the agent says Flacco is in the top 5 for wins, he’s not then going to turn around and ask for top 20 money.

  46. Again, Flacco’s number are equal to Brady’s in his first four years starting, just not on third down.

    Brady also had a top five defense in terms of points allowed and turnovers all three years they won a Championship.

    Flacco just doesn’t have the benefit of Spygate, the Tuck Rule, and Adam Vinatieri to make him look better than he is.

    Sports fans lack perspective.

    Aaron Rodgers is 3-2 in the playoffs.

    Phillip Rivers has never even made it to an AFC title game.

    Brees has a losing record in the playoffs.

    Brady has lost the past two Super Bowls he’s started, and barely squeeked by the Ravens in the title game, thanks to a tremendous defensive play.

    Cutler wasn’t even tough enough to make it through an NFC title game.

    Matt Ryan is winless in the postseason.

    Flacco has: the most wins in NFL history in his position, tied the NFL record for postseason road wins…in his fourth year, put his team in position to win the AFC championship game, and has numbers far superior to Brees, Eli, and on par with Brady in that time frame.

    Top five money? Probably not. But he is a good quarterback.

  47. hiperactivodg says:Feb 16, 2012 10:17 AM

    He’s a Trent Dilfer kind of QB at best, bottom 10-15 at most.
    —————————————————-
    But I think Dilfer has a ring

  48. If Flacco’s agent actually believes his client among the top 5 quarterbacks in the league you might want to add the word ‘delusional’ to the negotiations.

  49. worldsgreatest says:Feb 16, 2012 10:18 AM

    Again, Flacco’s number are equal to Brady’s in his first four years starting, just not on third down.

    Brady also had a top five defense in terms of points allowed and turnovers all three years they won a Championship.

    Flacco just doesn’t have the benefit of Spygate, the Tuck Rule, and Adam Vinatieri to make him look better than he is.

    Sports fans lack perspective.

    Aaron Rodgers is 3-2 in the playoffs.

    Phillip Rivers has never even made it to an AFC title game.

    Brees has a losing record in the playoffs.

    Brady has lost the past two Super Bowls he’s started, and barely squeeked by the Ravens in the title game, thanks to a tremendous defensive play.

    Cutler wasn’t even tough enough to make it through an NFC title game.

    Matt Ryan is winless in the postseason.

    Flacco has: the most wins in NFL history in his position, tied the NFL record for postseason road wins…in his fourth year, put his team in position to win the AFC championship game, and has numbers far superior to Brees, Eli, and on par with Brady in that time frame.

    Top five money? Probably not. But he is a good quarterback.
    ——————————————-
    What was Flaccos QB rating in 2011 season a WHAT 56.6 and your saying what

  50. I was saying it on the scout.com insiders forums, and I’ll say it here. Its really about leverage and I think Flacco has it here.

    Due about 7 million this season, and then he’s a free agent in 2013, when the tag will be somewhere between 14-20 million? (and he can sign the tag as soon as its issued and the money is fully guaranteed)

    He’s going to make 20-30 million over the next 2 years no matter what, in a matter than will hurt the Ravens’ cap.

    Regardless of what we all think he’s worth, he probably will command at least top 10 QB moolah. Because why would he take less?

    Players are figuring out playing tag isnt that bad, unless you’re a RB, TE, K, or FB etc where the tag # isn’t really juicy.

    If the Ravens play “tag” with Flacco, it will be extremely short sighted of them. He’ll likely do what Suggs and McAlister and other have done and pimp the system.

    I think they need to make sure that a first offer doesn’t piss his camp off, unless we want to play tag and overpay that way, or end up restarting over again at the QB position.

  51. njhitman says:
    What was Flaccos QB rating in 2011 season a WHAT 56.6 and your saying what

    ————————————————-

    Going by QB rating, he had the worst year since his rookie year. But it isn’t 56.6.

    Its 80.3

    His completion rating was even higher than whatever number you just posted: 57.6%

    Then again, he was one dropped ball away from the Super Bowl, won against the Steelers twice, and contributed to a 12-4 record.

    So what does quaterback rating matter? Its a team game, and he works very, very well in the Ravens system.

  52. Please tie up millions of dollars and years to invest in this guy. It probably wont result in a championship, but will result in playoff appearances. Enjoy consistent years of heartbreak Baltimore.

  53. I think I finally understand why Flacco gets so much hate. In the age of fantasy football, he is NOT a fantasy football quarterback. These days a guy could win 100% of his games, but if he is not putting up fantasy points who is he actually helping? No one cares that the guy is a WINNER, people care about their fantasy football team.

  54. If it was so easy, Matt “CHOKE” Ryan would surely have 1 measely playoff win.

    If that clown in Atlanta got paid 72 million for ZERO playoff wins, how much is 5 playoff wins worth?

  55. IMO there are 8 QBs that are inarguably better than Flacco. There are another 10-12 you could have agood argument about, and Flacco prob falls in the middle of that range, 13th-14th. Also, IMO balti wins games because of Rice and the D. I don’t feel Flacco shows one iota of leadership skills, ability to improvise or ability to win a big game with a big play. If I were Ozzie, I’d roll the dice and let him play out the contract and see if he can get over the hump this yr. Yeah, it may cost more next yr than extending him now, but I doubt some team is gonna swoop in next yr saying ‘we gotta get Joe Flacco’.

  56. Flacco wins… but the W isnt BECAUSE of Flacco..is because Balt defense and even my friends who are Ravens fans cringe when he throws the ball..Then he was cryin becase he ffeels he gets too much blame for them not going far enough lol lol.. well whic is it .. cry cause get blamed cause you dont perform well or take credit for the W’s even when you dont perform well.. Since Steelers fan.. I HOPE they sign him to a long term mega deal that hurts the ravens with Cap space…Between him and Rice…will be alot wrapped up for awhile. Flaccco is not elite, nowhere near elite and I am not thinking he will be at any point. Saw what happened when Rice didnt get the ball 20 plus times a game and when He was throwing the ball 40 times…. they lost and the TEAM and players bitched because Rice wasnt getting the rock…. Flacco is a good QB.. I am not knocking him at all…he just isnt there but by all means.. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee pay the man !! Would love to see that !! Once the D isnt top 10, I dont think Balt has a prayer with him leading team and putting on his shoulders in playoffs.

  57. “Flacco’s agent, Joe Linta, recently set a high bar.

    “If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun.”

    Joe Linta must have been a used car salesman. That quote is the equivalent of taking a prospective car buyer over to one of your lemons, kicking the tires and proclaiming, “Yep, she’s perfect. Still has all four tires. You won’t be disappointed. Carfax schmarfax.”

    Hopefully the Baltimore front office won’t require NFLPAFAX to see that he only had a 57.6% completion percentage, 3,610 yards, only 20 TD’s to 12 INT’s and a career high 9 fumbles last season alone. Top five money alone should require higher than 62% completion percentage and over 35 TD’s. I know that Rice is the offense, but Flacco should be doing much more with his limited opportunities to be included in the top 5 conversation. Sounds like Linta’s hoping he can still sell a lemon.

  58. Flacco has that arm and size, but just driving the bus to the most wins doesn’t make a guy a top-five QB, or more specifically, deserving of top-five money.

  59. Flacco is barely even in the top 3 QB’s in his division so why should he get top 5 in the league pay? The Ravens win games in spite of him and not because of him but he wants a pay raise because his running back does all the work and his top ranked defense can get him the ball back every time he throws a untimely pick (which is A LOT). Ravens should have drafted Colt McCoy, He is more accurate, more versatile and rarely throws an interception. His talent is being wasted on the team he’s on.

  60. To everyone saying Flacco will never win a Super Bowl as if they are freaking Nostradamus… have you WATCHED any of the Ravens’ games? Flacco has not been perfect, but two years in a row veteran players have dropped perfectly thrown passes that would have won the game.

    And to everyone saying, oh Flacco benefits from a great defense, a great RB, etc. OK, and? So Tom Brady never benefitted from having clutch kickers, evidenced by the fact he has never thrown a game-winning touchdown pass in the postseason?

    I get that the guy isn’t Top 5, and I say that as a Ravens fan. But the Flacco hate is ludicrous.

  61. @worldsgreatest

    Rivers has made it to an AFC Championship, and played on a torn up knee.

    And to whoever is saying Flacco is as good as Rivers, you must be smoking something. Call me when Flacco puts up 4,700 yards and 30 TDs. Call me when Flacco puts up 8 yards/attempt (Rivers career average!). Call me when Flacco puts up 100+ passer ratings year in and year out. Rivers has an off year due to a crappy line and some uncharacteristic decisions, and all of the sudden everyone thinks he’s as bad as Flacco. Hilarious.

  62. Wins are not an individual stat, and his agent is setting him up for a fall with that. If Flacco cops an attitude about not getting top 5 money, he’ll be out of Baltimore and will end up on some team with a no-name defense – and THEN he won’t even have any “wins” to tack up along his mediocre performance stats. The most telling thing about Flacco’s mediocrity is that under pressure, only Sanchez is worse than him. That’s where good and great QBs make their money. Do they audible out of plays against defensive mismatches? Do they scramble and make plays with their legs and arms? Do they make good decisions under pressure? Do they hold on to the damn ball?? Flacco stinks on all those accounts. He’s fine when the world is perfect, but most NFL QBs are , or they wouldn’t be NFL QBs.

  63. Please don’t pay him too much; if he’s top 5 money Alex Smith will have to get paid MVP money. Sound strange, follow the logic:

    1) Smith 2011 rating 90.7 (9th), Flacco’s rating 80.9 (18th)
    2) TD/Int ratio: Smith 17/5, Flacco 20/12
    3) Alex outperformed Flacco while being the MOST SACKED QB in the league in 2011: Alex 44, Flacco 31.
    4) Alex had almost 200 yards rushing and 2 TDs
    5) I think we all can agree that the Ravens have better WRs than the 9ers.

    So yeah both serviceable guys that can win in this league, but don’t break the bank for them. Both guys deserve between top 15-top 10 money. Top 5 though? You’re smoking some good stuff!

  64. Flacco has a better post season record than a certain drama filled QB in Indy and has more playoff wins this year alone than what his draft mate Matt Ryan has in his career.

    There are too many fangirls out there who think the QB with the best Madden rating is the best NFL QB and too many fantasy geeks who think a QB has to throw for 4,500 yards and 40 TDs every year to be a successful QB.

  65. brintfatre says:Feb 16, 2012 12:23 PM

    More top five than either Manning!
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    You should change you name to brainfart !!! So your saying Flacco better then the Manning brothers LMAO Put the pipe down and get some help Lets see 3 rings between them and one brother has 2 SUPER BOWL MVPS and noless how many NFL MVP does the other one have

  66. “Why exactly is Phillip Rivers name listed with the other QBs? He has not done anything to have his name mentioned with Rodger, Brees, Brady, Eli or Little Ben. Rivers is a an overrated loser.”
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    The same reason Marino is listed in the same category as Montana and Elway.
    Rivers still has some 5 years to win the SB and he will to prove to everyone that Rivers is the best QB of the 2004 draft!!

  67. @myeaglescantwin:
    No, I don’t think he’s worth top 5 money. Top ten – yes. I’d be happy if they gave him a middle of the road salary with incentives.
    Having said that, most Ravens fans think Flacco is an average quarterback that can win. Before we can elevate him from “average” to “good,” we need to see what he can do with receivers that can catch the ball. Boldin is a great receiver; but aside from him, Flacco had a choice of a rookie or two second year tight ends. The offensive line was a weakness until this year – and even then was only average. Not making excuses for Flacco – just saying that we’re still not sure what he is or isn’t capable of doing. But he is the best quarterback the Ravens have ever had.

  68. Flacco deserves bottom 5 money. He is terrible. I hope the Ravens over-pay this bum. Joe Chok-O is a better name for this bird. Once the U boys retire… the Ravens will be 6-10 annually.

  69. “Phillip Rivers has never even made it to an AFC title game.”
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    Are you serious man?
    Let me refresh your memory. In the 2007-08 playoffs Rivers played with a torn ACL with Gates and Tomlinson injured on the bench vs the 16-0 Patriots in Gillette stadium. A game that the Pats were winning 14-12 early in the 4th quarter. This was River’s 2nd season as a starter!!
    Football is a game of luck (luck….preparation meets opportunity) In the 2006-07 playoffs, McCree fumbled an intercepted pass by Brady that would have ended the game (Brady’s fumble vs the Raiders went his way) and would have sent Rivers to his 1st AFC title game in his 1st season as a starter. In 2009 vs the Jets, Kaeding missed 2 field goals that would have given SD the victory. They lost by a field goal just like the Pats won all of their SBs by a field goal. Things have gone the Pats way (at least before spy gate) and I’m pretty sure luck will favor San Diego in the 2012 season!!

  70. johnnyb1976 says: Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM

    Dalton > Flacco
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    So you wanna compare and contrast huh?
    Steve Bisciotti>Mike Brown
    Eric Decosta>Katie Brown
    John Hardbaugh>Marvin Lewis

    Dalton is gonna be a great one, but when has Flacco ever had a receiver that was half the talent as AJ Green is? Make sure you ONLY compare them 2 and nothing else what so ever. I can see it now, all of bungle nations fan heads are gonna be so big going in to next year but the fact that you have the worst owner in sports will always keep the bungles from being an elite team year in and year out. Be happy the Ravens and Steelers even allow you to play in the same division.

  71. Joe is a top 15 to 18 kind of quarterback.

    Quarterbacks better than Joe:

    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roeslesberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Mike Vick, Cam Newton, Eli Manning, Tim Teebow, Jake Locker, Matt Ryan, Joe Webb, Matt Schabb, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Ryan Mallett, Billy Volek.

    I was wrong the 20th best in the league. That should be worth ten million a year but the agent will talk them into twelve a year. Not worth more than twelve at all.

  72. Sorry. I forgot that Rivers lost against the Patriots in the AFC title game.

    He’s a fine QB, but like someone else said, this isn’t fantasy football. 5000 yards passing and 35 touchdowns means about as much as getting to the playoffs and losing every year.

    And yeah, people who don’t watch every single Ravens game, or even a majority of them have no idea how this kid plays. They just like to talk smack.

  73. Flacco looked pretty good vs the Pats in the AFC Championship game. However there’s been more games where he’s just been average and previous playoff games vs the Steelers he fell apart. He would be much better off waiting till the end of the season when the teams will have a larger Cap for 2013.

    Considering the talent he has at the receiver position, I think he should have had much higher numbers.

  74. @indywilson40, you forgot to add Ray Rice to that equation. If it were any other running back, 1/3 of his total yards wouldn’t be there.

    Joe deserves 10 million per year. He is the franchise QB this team needed 8 years ago.

  75. realdraftgm says:
    Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM
    Joe is a top 15 to 18 kind of quarterback.

    Quarterbacks better than Joe:

    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roeslesberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Mike Vick, Cam Newton, Eli Manning, Tim Teebow, Jake Locker, Matt Ryan, Joe Webb, Matt Schabb, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Ryan Mallett, Billy Volek.

    I was wrong the 20th best in the league. That should be worth ten million a year but the agent will talk them into twelve a year. Not worth more than twelve at all.

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    Are you out of your mind? I will grant quite a few of those quarterbacks are better than Flacco, but you’re honestly saying that Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Vince Young, Ryan Mallett, and Billy Volek are all better? I sincerely hope you’re trying to be funny with that statement. I have a hard time even with the idea of Cam Newton being ahead of him considering Newton’s only had one season in the league.

    I’d probably put Flacco at the top of the list of all quarterbacks in the league who hasn’t won a ring yet. The only one I’d consider putting ahead of him among those QBs who hasn’t yet won a championship would be Philip Rivers.

  76. I was a huge Flacco hater for some reason. But you have to admit after that AFC title game he is a franchise qb. He put the ball on the money on the final drive in the endzone and his guys dropped it. The same exact thing happened the year before. And then his kicker missed the fg to send the game to OT.

    He is never going to put up Brees or Brady numbers in the system he is in. He’s not required to. He is a franchise qb and where he ranks out of 5, 10, 15 or 20 really doesn’t matter. Baltimore is in a good spot right now with him as qb.

  77. He isn’t Top 5. He’s about number 9 or 10 I’d say.

    The fact that a guy above me had Tony Romo ahead of him and got even a single like, much less over a hundred shows that the general football knowledge of the commenters on this site is very low. Romo is a choker and a loser.

    Flacco would have been in the Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch a perfect throw.

  78. They will never win super bowl with Flacco. He has some bright moments and then many silly moments.

    I hope they sign him to a mega buster 10 year deal.

    Somewhere, Dick Lebeau will be smiling with Troy P.

  79. Brady
    Brees
    Manning
    Rogers
    Roethlisberger
    Manning Eli
    Rivers
    Newton
    Schaub
    Romo
    Vick
    Stafford
    Dalton
    Ryan
    Cutler
    Alex Smith

    These are all better than Flacco. There are 16 here. That would put Flacco in the bottom half of the NFL. Elite, yea, then pay up Ravens!!!!!

    I wonder how great they will be after Ray and Ed quit soon? No more 17-14 wins Joe!!!!!!!!!!!

  80. Here’s a classic case of a QB getting waaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit for the team’s success when anything with even half a brain knows it’s mainly due to their defense. All Flacco has to do is a) hand the ball off to Ray Rice, b) not screw up, c) hand the ball off to Ray Rice, d) occassionally make a throw or two, and 3) hand the ball off to Ray Rice.

  81. Linta, which wins or losses are we talking about? His 44 and 20 regular season record or his 5 and 4 playoff record?

    By the way, he as NOT won more games than any other QB in the last four years. Bree’s holds that distinction with 45 regular season wins. And the Pats and Steelers have won more games than the Ravens during that time but their starting QBs missed time.

    As for other pertinent facts, let’s take a look. Flacco is 12th amongst active QBs in passer rating. He is 20th in game winning drives with 11 which ties him with David Carr and Mark Sanchez. He has fewer than Vince Young and Alex Smith. He is 29th in 4th quarter comebacks, tied with Tim Tebow and Kyle Orton and behind Byron Leftwich, Charlie Batch and Mark Sanchez. So riddle me this. How does a guy with so many wins end up being so low on the list in terms of game winning drives and comebacks? Oh yeah. Because he doesn’t actually help his team win. His defense wins. He just hangs around to get credit for the win.

    So good luck with the “top five” gambit. I am sure that will work out well for you. I can only hope the Ravens actually fall for it.

  82. Tom Terrific couldn’t win a SB with Moss and Welker.
    Brees won once with an EXCELLENT WR corps,Rodgers as well. Peyton had Wayne and Harrison and won 1 SB. Stafford has the best WR in the game in C. Johnson, but can’t win a playoff game or stay healthy.Same could be said of Schaub with A. Johnson. Matt Ryan’s “EXPLOSIVE” offense got outscored by their defense(0-2) and 4 years in he STILL doesn’t have a postseason win.

    Who have been Flacco’s receivers these last 4 years?
    D. Mason – retired
    Boldin – Best he’s ever had, but not better than anyone previously listed
    M. Clayton – did he get cut from the Rams yet?
    D. Stallworth – Somehow teams keep picking him up to do nothing
    TJ Hou’syourmamma – 5 years after he was any good

    Outside of Rice(who’s a RB BTW) where is Flacco’s great WR at? He finally got some help in the form of Smith this year, went 12-4 and won the divsion.
    Fans inability to recognize talent is astonishing. Perhaps it stems from fans inability to see past their fandom?

  83. Wow, as a Person in the real world i strongly disagree that Mustache Joe is even a top 12 QB in the NFL. To say he deserves to even be considered as a top 5 canidate is just insulting. He himself has never been in a big meaningful game that he himself has won on his own. (U know throw the game winner or run for it) He has a unfortunate great defense and also has ray rice on his team. If Joe was a top 5QB he wouldve won that playoff game with his arm and wouldnt have let it get to the place where u have to bring in your kicker to try and win it. A regular season game in the hands of a kicker okay, but in a game where the Super Bowl is on the line, not so much.. Go Steelers…

  84. …In other news the Denver Broncos are going to restructure Tim Tebow’s contract and make him the highest paid PLAYER in NFL history…

    Keep on living in your fantasy world Joe!

  85. I was at Heinz Field the night that Flacco beat us and put his team in position to lock up the division. He was great, did his job, followed his progressions, and found the receiver to drive 88 yards to beat us. He is a more than capable quarterback. What everyone I see posting missed is that this is a team that won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Not to take anything away from Mr. Dilfer, but historically this team is all about defense. While we might all rightfully say that Falco isn’t top five in terms of stats, his value to his team can’t be understated

  86. Flacco might be valuable to his team. However, if fans of teams with very good to top of the line QBs were judging him and are trying to decide whether Flacco was a top 5 QB, they should ask: “Would I trade my QB for Flacco?”

    I am guessing fans of the Patriots, Saints, Packers, Steelers, Giants, etc would say HELL NO.

    I mean, Flacco can be great one game, but then he can be horrid a couple of games later. People play up the AFC Championship game that he DID play well in. However, he played terribly in the previous week’s Divisional game, making my point. I mean, had the Texans not screwed up so much on Special Teams, they would have won. Of course, had Schaub been the started, I am sure the Texans would have won. That is how badly Flacco played. Even Ed Reed called him out.

    He is just too inconsistent for me to call him a top 5. Top 20 , yeah, but top 5? No way

  87. “Who have been Flacco’s receivers these last 4 years?
    Outside of Rice(who’s a RB BTW) where is Flacco’s great WR at?”
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    Rivers rarely played with his top receivers together in 2010 and still managed to throw 4,700 yards. This is an example of what a great QB does without his top receivers. This source is from cbssports.com
    “Rivers threw for 4 touchdowns, two to backup tight end Randy McMichael and the other two to rookie receiver Seyi Ajirotutu in a comeback 29-23 victory over the Houston Texans. The Chargers’ top receivers Gates (torn plantar fascia), Vincent Jackson (suspended), Malcom Floyd (hamstring), and Legedu Naanee (hamstring) did not play in the game.”

  88. delpiero1980 says: Feb 16, 2012 10:24 PM

    “Who have been Flacco’s receivers these last 4 years?
    Outside of Rice(who’s a RB BTW) where is Flacco’s great WR at?”
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    Rivers rarely played with his top receivers together in 2010 and still managed to throw 4,700 yards. This is an example of what a great QB does without his top receivers. This source is from cbssports.com
    “Rivers threw for 4 touchdowns, two to backup tight end Randy McMichael and the other two to rookie receiver Seyi Ajirotutu in a comeback 29-23 victory over the Houston Texans. The Chargers’ top receivers Gates (torn plantar fascia), Vincent Jackson (suspended), Malcom Floyd (hamstring), and Legedu Naanee (hamstring) did not play in the game.”
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    I remember that game well, it was against the Texans who had the worst defense in football last year(maybe second worst). Proof to my point, Rivers is throwing to Jackson and Gates primarily, but Flacco has never had a receiver of that caliber on his team. He’s had Ajirotutu and McMichael levelplayers as his starters for 4 years and won more games than anyone in history.
    Bottom line is you can’t hide a bad player in the NFL, there’s too much time spent dissecting the film and if a guy is no good they get removed. Flacco is good. He’s a dropped TD away from being SB good.

  89. delpiero1980 says: Feb 16, 2012 10:24 PM

    “Who have been Flacco’s receivers these last 4 years?
    Outside of Rice(who’s a RB BTW) where is Flacco’s great WR at?”
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    Rivers rarely played with his top receivers together in 2010 and still managed to throw 4,700 yards. This is an example of what a great QB does without his top receivers. This source is from cbssports.com
    “Rivers threw for 4 touchdowns, two to backup tight end Randy McMichael and the other two to rookie receiver Seyi Ajirotutu in a comeback 29-23 victory over the Houston Texans. The Chargers’ top receivers Gates (torn plantar fascia), Vincent Jackson (suspended), Malcom Floyd (hamstring), and Legedu Naanee (hamstring) did not play in the game.”
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    Another fun note since we’re talking about QB’s, that Chargers team finished first in offense AND defense but didn’t make the playoffs. By most fans logic Rivers must be elite because he threw for 4700 yards. I’ll take playoff runs and wins over elite passing stats every day. W’s are all that counts, flacco helps his team get W’s.

  90. Flacco’s a better QB than he’s credited with being, but no, he’s not among the league’s top five. Assuming Peyton Manning returns, the best of the best are Brady, P. Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Those guys are going to Canton. Right behind them are Roethlisberger, Rivers, and E. Manning, all with good shots at Canton depending on what they do from here on. Flacco’s in the mid-range along with Cutler, Matt Ryan, maybe Andy Dalton. Not the best, but still better than most.

  91. Gotta love all of the idiots who say Ravens will never win a Super Bowl with Flacco.

    Of course, when the Ravens signed Dilfer in the offseason, everyone said “Their savior’s arrived.”

  92. Flacco had one notably good game – against the Pats. He’s trying to cash in on that one strong performance before the 2012 season confirms (yet again) what everyone knows – he’s average.

    But, like other Steeler fans, I’d LOVE to see them drop $10M/yr on him.

  93. burghman says: Feb 18, 2012 3:42 PM

    Flacco had one notably good game – against the Pats. He’s trying to cash in on that one strong performance before the 2012 season confirms (yet again) what everyone knows – he’s average.
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    Must suck seeing an avergae QB sweep the steelers and their top ranked defense. Of course, maybe you’re right, because Tebow did it too.

  94. Flacco is not in the same league as the other top ten quarterbacks..He is missing that one thing that makes the top ten quarterbacks special…The ability to make everyone else on the team better when the chips are down in the 4th quarter…He has no emotion about him…he doesn’t inspire others..If you watch the top ten qb’s in the game, you see that inspiration they give everyone else, when it is needed..even in a losing effort…Flacco doesn’t have that…and he never will.. You can say what you want about Roethlisberger, but he is never down…and his entire team believes they can win behind him… That is what makes the top 10 quarterbacks the top 10…Flacco doesn’t have that !

  95. Deb – Rodgers in the HOF?? Being a bit presumptive aren’t we. He hasn’t done nearly enough to deserve even being mentioned. Funny how you didn’t mention Big Ben who does deserve mentioning.

  96. burghman – like most Steelers fan, you are an idiot! Flacco has had plenty of good games…his record speaks for itself. Is he a top 5 QB? No…but easily top 12.

  97. edgerules- wrong..Flacco did not play badly in the Houston playoff game. Considering he was getting mauled on every play,he actually had a decent game.

  98. greatdanton77 :

    Sorry man, but Flacco cannot get it done in the playoffs, when the games count the most.

    An 8-8 TD-INT ratio, a 70 QB Rating, and a 54% completion ratio isnt exactly getting it done. Its impossible for your team to win playoff games BECAUSE of a QB posting those stats. Very possible to win playoff games DESPITE a QB posting those stats, like the Ravens do.

    As far as the Patriots game, not only did the Ravens lose the game, he made some terrible decisions in the 4th quarter.

    1. Throwing an INT to spikes into triple coverage
    2. Leaving 4 points on the field on 2nd and goal on their 2nd to last possession by not spotting your wide open full back RIGHT in front of you for a walk in touchdown.
    3. After the infamous Evans play, having no interest to get the first down on 3rd and 1 inside the 10 even though he could have crawled for it.

  99. Flacco’s agent can ask for whatever he wants.

    Wish in one hand and … in the other.

    Flacco, I imagine, is what a successful Mark Sanchez ‘would’ look like. Doesn’t go long, doesn’t go fast, doesn’t push it, but the receivers catch the ball.

  100. i would love to know why people use the word “elite” and a lot of these quarterbacks in the same discussion. Romo, Flaco, Schaub, Matty Ryan, Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Rivers, Sam Bradford, Stafford, and Cutler – what have they done to be “elite”? Romo-fumbled his chance to go to the Superbowl away, Flaco-MIGHT win one – he’s actually the most impressive one of the bunch, Schaub and Ryan – really? how many playoff wins do they have, Sanchez – consistently under-performs, Palmer – has-been, Rivers-never will be, Bradford-jury still out if he can stay healthy, Stafford-can’t stay healthy, and Cutler-no heart. Why fans put these quarterbacks up on a pedestal, i’ll never know. Hell, Peyton Manning is playing in Denver when he can’t win in a game where the temperature is below 40 degrees! There’s a reason only a few teams have won a Superbowl in the last decade – there are very few elite quarterbacks.

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