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Faulk: A 5,000-yard season “is nothing”

Detroit Lions' Stafford throws a football into the stands during a time-out in an NBA game between Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons in Auburn Hills Reuters

Matthew Stafford became the fourth quarterback in NFL history to throw for 5,000 yards in a season this year.

Of course, three were able to do it in 2011 alone. Eli Manning topped 4,900. Aaron Rodgers would have had a shot to break 5,000 if he played in the final week.

Add it all up, and NFL Network analyst Marshall Faulk isn’t overly impressed with Stafford’s achievement.

“Throwing for 5,000 yards in the NFL right now is nothing,” Faulk told MLive.com (via NFL.com). “I don’t want to take anything away from it. As much as people throw the football now, you better have 5,000 [yards] if you have Calvin Johnson.”

The comment has attracted some attention in Detroit, but we agree with the sentiment. 5,000 yards doesn’t mean nearly what it would have meant even a decade ago.

Stafford had a great season, but anyone that watched every Lions snap would admit he was up-and-down for much of the season until a scorching finish.

2011 represented a huge step forward for Stafford and an unbelievable year for such a young player. But he wasn’t even one of the best five quarterbacks in the league last year.

The fact that a quarterback could throw for 5,000 yards and not be among the game’s truly elite proves Faulk’s point.

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  1. nebster21 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:26 AM

    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?

  2. toledoohoh says: Feb 17, 2012 10:28 AM

    It has still only been done 5 times. Peyton has never done it. It definitely doesn’t mean nothing.

    Faulk is just bitter about absolutely everything.

  3. marionbarber24isgod says: Feb 17, 2012 10:31 AM

    I cannot even begin to describe how much I dislike Marshall Faulk.

  4. dalfanforever says: Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM

    And we get this from someone who’s never played the position…nice.

  5. beavertonsteve says: Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM

    It was apparent by week 3 of the NFL season that 300 yard passing games are the new norm, 400 yards made for a good day and 500 might get you on the front page of ESPN for a couple hours.

  6. davefitz008 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:34 AM

    Take away the games he wore a glove on his throwing hand due to a broken finger and I’d say his up’s overwhelmed his downs last year. Pretty darn impressive year for technically being his second season.

  7. cakemixa says: Feb 17, 2012 10:34 AM

    I’m no Stafford fan, but if it was so insignificant, why did it take so long for it to finally happen again?

  8. upyoursnfu says: Feb 17, 2012 10:36 AM

    Go Faulk yourself

  9. Soulman45 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:37 AM

    Frist to say
    THE GREAT DETROIT LIONS can’t get a break no matter what 5,000 yds nothing 11-5 nothing if you are a Lions fan get ready what ever the team do come out to be nothing.
    Any other team do the same the are Super Bowl bound. ( geee)

  10. beavertonsteve says: Feb 17, 2012 10:37 AM

    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?

    ————————————————————-

    That was 10+ years ago. The fact that such a dynamic offense only passed for 4700 yds per season actually helps Faulk’s point.

    Defenses were still being allowed to mug receivers downfield and they had just started the crackdown on QB hits.

  11. bigperm33 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:38 AM

    absolutely right. Stafford was third in the league in passing yards. a good total, something to build on, but it was not indicative of a truly great season – of what a 5000 yard season used to me. Tom Brady threw for about 1200 more yards in 2011 than he did in 2010 – and i guarantee most people would say he had a better 2010 than 2011. yards were easy to come by in 2011 – whether that was a one-year deal or the start of a trend, all the passing yards were inflated last season.

  12. algrls says: Feb 17, 2012 10:38 AM

    Maybe 5K wasn’t what it once was, but then again there are only a few in the history of the league that have reached the mark. Perhaps a 1K yard running season isn’t all that illustious as well.

  13. kidpresentable says: Feb 17, 2012 10:39 AM

    It just shows that the offenses weren’t balanced. The top 5 offenses in terms of yardage were NO, NE, GB, Det, and NYG. Of those, only NO had a high-ranking rushing offense while the other four teams were ranked 20th or lower in rushing. Also, all 5 of those teams had defenses that gave up a lot of yards so they were either starting deep in their own territories or passing so they could run up the score to cover for their defensive inefficiencies.

  14. luiscq says: Feb 17, 2012 10:39 AM

    If 5,000 yards isn’t anything, then Faulks 18 tds in the 2000 season are nothing.

  15. suhnami says: Feb 17, 2012 10:39 AM

    this whole “if you have Calvin Johnson you should throw for 5,000 yards” argument is getting a bit ridiculous.

    I mean before the season, to some, Calvin wasn’t even a top 5 WR in the NFL….

    This is like down playing Joe Montana’s accomplishments because he had Jerry Rice…I mean “anyone with Jerry Rice, the greatest WR in history, should have great numbers…”

    Or Peyton with Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc.

    Or Drew Brees with Colston, Graham, etc.

    Or Kurt Warner with Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk….

    How did Matt Ryan not throw for 5,000 yards with Roddy White AND Julio Jones???

    There are great WR, and great weapons on most offenses these days…can Marshall not see the coincidence that in Stafford’s first season, Calvin had far and away his BEST SEASON of his career??? They go hand in hand, both are great players, both make each other better…to discount one and not the other is a bit ridiculous

  16. nyyjetsknicks says: Feb 17, 2012 10:39 AM

    It’s still a great achievement. You just have to put it in context.

  17. f0rem4n says: Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM

    As a Lion fan, I agree with Faulk. Stafford has potential to be in the HOF by the time he is done. That said, in today’s ‘wussified’ NFL where receivers run free and QB’s have an invisible shield around them the stats are going to explode when compared to season’s past.

    Too long didn’t read ;New NFL rules are a joke and significantly handicap defenses.

  18. cardiovascularendurance says: Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM

    There’s nothing worse than these talking head ex-players that come across as bitter about absolutely everything. I’d rather listen to some of the posters on here break down film than these clowns.

  19. twb5003 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM

    Good to see all things lions with a negative twist. No mention of the fact that no one could stop stafford even though they knew the lions were throwing most downs.

  20. j0ey15 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM

    5,000 yards is going to be a common theme since defensive lineman can’t hit the QB and corners aren’t allowed to touch WR’s anymore… So yes I agree with Marshall Faulk’s principle, but not to take anything away from Stafford, he did it with a broken finger which is impressive

  21. AlanSaysYo says: Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM

    Marshall bets he could throw a football over them mountains.

  22. bullcharger says: Feb 17, 2012 10:44 AM

    Give the guy a break. Stafford had a great year and got Detroit to the playoffs. It doesn’t matter if Faulk is impressed or not. It’s a great accomplishment.

  23. ningenito78 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:44 AM

    Marshall Faulk still is and always will be bitter about Spygate. That whole Rams team insists they got screwed by that whole thing.

  24. suhnami says: Feb 17, 2012 10:45 AM

    “2011 represented a huge step forward for Stafford and an unbelievable year for such a young player. But he wasn’t even one of the best five quarterbacks in the league last year.”

    completely subjective observation here…by any statistical measure, along with simply watching him and his leadership he is one of the “best 5 QB’s in 2011″

    QB rating – 5th in the NFL
    Pass Yards – 3rd in the NFL
    Pass TD’s – 3rd in the NFL
    Completion % – 5th in the NFL

    oh yea, and the most 2nd half comebacks of 17 point deficit or greater in a season in NFL history…by any and all measures, Stafford was a top 5 QB in 2011…unless you’re going by Pro Bowl voting standards of course…

  25. snnyjcbs says: Feb 17, 2012 10:46 AM

    He is right, it is nothing but pitch and catch today compared to years back. Give me a WR that caught 80 balls for 1000 yards years ago over any WR catching those numbers today. It has become a game for SOFT men, hell 2 Jockeys die each year in North America but you never hear them crying. Pitch and Catch, all records made today should have this clarification next to them, “Pitch and Catch”.

  26. tunescribe says: Feb 17, 2012 10:49 AM

    The bigger mystery is why Marshall Faulk has such a round head and infant-like facial features. Seeing the head and face of a small child perched atop a suit and tie throws me every time.

  27. jessieboom says: Feb 17, 2012 10:49 AM

    Your crazy man, Stafford is damn good.

  28. pdxpanther says: Feb 17, 2012 10:50 AM

    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?

    You must have headline-only-otis, because if you read the rest of the article, you would have read the point made that the rules of today make it easier for the throwing game. I agree with Faulkner, when a once heralded record is becoming the norm, it no longer gas any significance. This now makes all the rushing records more significant because QB’s are throwing for 300+ yds on avg.

  29. vegaskid21 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:52 AM

    Who asked Faulk???

  30. dacapt704 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:53 AM

    I mean before the season, to some, Calvin wasn’t even a top 5 WR in the NFL….

    ————————————

    WHO said that? I’ve never heard that Megatron wasn’t considered to be top 5

  31. skeefe1976 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:53 AM

    This is just another Marshall Faulk dig at Tom Brady and the Patriots.

  32. ahs2 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:54 AM

    What a moron…having no running back/game makes it all the more impressive!! …and I’m sure that Faulker would agree how crucial a running game is…

    Look at the stats and accomplishments listed above; Stafford certainly was a top 5 QB in 2011.

  33. andrejohnsonforpresident says: Feb 17, 2012 10:55 AM

    I agree with Faulk here, idc about how hardly anyone has done it. The fact of the matter is that theres only a few people that have done it and they’ve all been in the past two years.. Minus Marino.. So yes its not even close to special anymore. You’ll all change your tune 5 years from now when that only a few have done it goes up to its been done 20-30 times.

  34. adantsa says: Feb 17, 2012 10:55 AM

    Please tell me what is going on in that picture?

  35. awdlmd says: Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM

    Ask Gabbert, Painter, Smith, Tebow and McCoy about how rediculously easy it was to put up big yards this year.

  36. channingtaintum says: Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM

    nebster21 says:
    Feb 17, 2012 10:26 AM
    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?

    ————————————————

    The greatest show on turd DID pass for over 5,000 yeards in a season.

    2000 Rams passing offense.

    Kurt Warner 3,429 yards, Trent Green 2,063 yards.

    Total – 5,492!

  37. capslockkey says: Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM

    I’m no Lions or Stafford fan, but how is this not impressive? The 5,000 yards itself doesn’t impress me as much as the fact he did in only his third year and first healthy season as a pro. Sure Brees and Brady hit 5,000 this year too, but how many years have they been in the league? Never mind the fact the kid threw 41 touchdowns this year, for a franchise that has been a laughing stock for 50 years until now.

    Lay off the guy Faulk. This isn’t Joe “blow” Flacco who thinks he needs to get paid as a top 5 QB but doesn’t play anywhere close to one.

  38. pedrovillegas21 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:59 AM

    I would like to thank Matthew Stafford & his 5000 yards for my fantasy championship, got him in the 7th round

  39. ahs2 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:59 AM

    Yes, his “down” times you’re referring to would be the broken/splinted/gloved finger he had to deal with for 3 games which yielded 9 of his 16 season interceptions. If you wanna mark that against him, fine, but that’s an injury not a skill problem (reference Tebow).

  40. geniusesq says: Feb 17, 2012 10:59 AM

    Who knew Faulk was so arrogant

  41. mikewasserson says: Feb 17, 2012 10:59 AM

    Faulk is right in regards to 5,000 yards isn’t that impressive anymore, but it’s not because the Lions have Calvin Johnson. It’s because defenders aren’t allowed to breathe on receivers anymore without drawing a penalty.

    It’s quarterback inflation.

  42. channingtaintum says: Feb 17, 2012 11:00 AM

    And that was supposed to be Turf, not turd, unless you feel the same way I do about turf.

  43. izlez says: Feb 17, 2012 11:00 AM

    Anyone who watched every Lions snap this season would say he played absolutely breat all season except for when he was playing with a broken finger. There were no “ups and downs”.

    And while throwing for 5,000 yards isn’t as special as it used it be, it sure isn’t “nothing”

  44. ahs2 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:02 AM

    Stafford gets big props from me. First he gets snubbed at the Pro Bowl and then this…and the guy just blows it off instead of getting into a stupid twitter war!

  45. thelomasbrowns says: Feb 17, 2012 11:03 AM

    Funny, I watched every snap, and I could swear the only bad games Staff had were when he had a BROKEN FINGER ON HIS THROWING HAND.

  46. suhnami says: Feb 17, 2012 11:03 AM

    dacapt704 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:53 AM

    I mean before the season, to some, Calvin wasn’t even a top 5 WR in the NFL….

    ————————————

    WHO said that? I’ve never heard that Megatron wasn’t considered to be top 5

    —————————————

    Do you live in a cave?? Do you not remember Cris Carter’s infamous “Top 5 WR” in the preseason…of which he actually names SIX WR’s …. none of which named Calvin Johnson…

  47. rtookey says: Feb 17, 2012 11:06 AM

    The game is going towards all offense because it sells more seats… I couldnt imagine the numbers Brady would put up if he had an indoor stadium like Peyton Manning did… Especially when Moss was stretching the field…

  48. suhnami says: Feb 17, 2012 11:07 AM

    thelomasbrowns says: Feb 17, 2012 11:03 AM

    Funny, I watched every snap, and I could swear the only bad games Staff had were when he had a BROKEN FINGER ON HIS THROWING HAND.

    ———————————-

    Oh yea and we can add to my list of “why Stafford proved he’s a top 5 QB in 2011″ – tossing 335 yards and 5 TD’s with a broken index finger on his throwing hand (per Terry Bradshaw – “…impossible to throw a football with your index finger broken…”) against Carolina

  49. athleticmedic says: Feb 17, 2012 11:08 AM

    Not having a run game actually makes you THROW more, that’s why Faulk isn’t impressed. 5k yds when 80% of your plays are throwing the football, AND WRs can’t get looked at funny without getting a PI call isn’t all that impressive. Considering a handful of QBs did it at the same time, with the “soft” rules makes sense. Also, the “greatest show on turf” COULD run the ball…that also makes his point!

    I knew that Lions fans would destroy Faulk’s comment…

  50. raiderlyfe510 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:09 AM

    With all the rules and regulations being implemented to tackling, pretty soon a 2000 yard rushing season wont be anything either.

  51. FinFan68 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:09 AM

    I do not understand why Stafford doesn’t get the credit he deserves. If I could pick one QB, to play for my team, out of all the current players and the prospects over the next couple years…it would be Matthew Stafford. He had a monster season. He played through an injury on his throwing hand. He has the arm, a little mobility, tons of leadership, the brains to be effective and the one thing that stands above all else…heart. He became my favorite player when he was injured and talked his way back on to the field in the final moments. He earned his teammates’ respect at that moment. He will be a great QB as the years go by. To say he was not in the top 5 QBs last year just goes to show a bias or a complete lack of understanding what the heck you are seeing.

  52. buckybadger says: Feb 17, 2012 11:10 AM

    It is not nothing but it isn’t what it was when Marino did it. He was still tops in the league and better than a lot of his peers.

    Stafford did have a bad week 13 and so did Calvin Johnson and my fantasy team [one of 7 anyways] suffered a playoff loss because of it. They won me in two other leagues so I forgive him.

  53. tluke25 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM

    5000 yds is nothing? That is completely idiotic. 3 guys threw for 5,000 yds this season. Two of them that did played in the Super Bowl this year. The 3rd one (Stafford) took his young team to the playoffs. The 4th one who almost did (Rodgers) could have made it to the Super Bowl had they not had to go up against the team that did have more passing yards than them (Giants).

    P.S. Only 2 other guys threw for 5,000 yds prior to this season. Marino and Brees. …. Oh, you mean they took their teams to the Super Bowl in those seasons too?

    … Earth to Marshall Faulk. Are you there?

  54. lionsmark09 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:18 AM

    Stafford was a top five quarterback last season. Yes they do have Magatron but the rest of the offense is average. People just love to hate on the Lions. They have to accomplish more for people to take them seriously. Stafford is 24, he is great.

  55. pleazenufalready says: Feb 17, 2012 11:18 AM

    Faulk continues to come across as just another player who refuses to believe that anyone or any team could possibly be as good as he or his former team was. How arrogant and pathetic. He’s starting to make Keyshawn and Michael Irvin look humble in comparison.

  56. hjworton46 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    Throwing for 5k yards means averaging at least 78 yards a quarter throughout the entire season. Gulp.

  57. freebird2011 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    Marshall “Sgt. Schultz–I know nothing” Faulk.

    5000+ passing yards indicates a high level of consistency moving the ball on offense.

    Stafford’s 41 TDs in a single season is tied for 7th all-time with Kurt Warner.

    Stafford threw 25 TDs to players not named Calvin Johnson, which was more than most QBs in the league.

    By contrast, Sanchez had 26, Rivers had 27, and Ryan and Manning had 29 TDs for the entire season counting them all.

    It is fair to say that the Lions threw so much because they lacked balance, i.e. a running game, but the flip side of that is the Lions weren’t able to do as much with play action passes and the like, so it makes their accomplishments passing the ball all the more impressive.

  58. packerjer says: Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    If you actively pursue reaching that number, ala Drew Brees and the Saints, there are probably quite a few QBs who could reach that number on a fairly consistent basis in today’s game.

    It would probably still take having a poor defense (getting into shootouts because you have to) and/or a willingness to pad stats to get it done, but it will probably happen on a annual basis now.

  59. 6thsense79 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM

    nebster21 says:
    Feb 17, 2012 10:26 AM
    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?
    —————————————–
    I guess you just started watching football last year.

    In the past 5 years we’ve had the following rules that makes passing the ball infinitely easier:

    1. No hitting the QB above the shoulders (I mean if you litterally grazed a QB’s head the ref’s call interference)
    2. No hitting the QB below the knees
    3. No hitting of a “defenseless” receiver has been reinterpreted to mean the receive must catch the ball and make a football move before a DB can unload on him.
    4. No contact with a receiver after 5 yards is called more agressively.
    5. And this happen more than 5 years ago but it still belongs here….the intepretation of the tuck rule which has saved many a QBs from having a turnover via fumble.

    Not to mention that the NFL has directed its refs to “err on the side of caution” if they’re not sure a penalty like illegal blow to the head actually occured or if its borderline.

    The NFL has done as much as it could to neuter defenses and give more power to the offensive passing game. Back in 1999, 2000 Kurt Warner was famous for staying in the pocket and delivering pinpoint passes at the last minute while taking huge shots from defensive players. I saw him do it over and over again. A majority of those shots he took would not be legal today. I love Stafford but I don’t think he would have been able to survive a full system playing under the old rules.

    Also the fact that 3 QBs were able to break the 5k yard barrier and 2 more were close in the same season shows just how cheap that accomplishment is.

  60. christianholzman says: Feb 17, 2012 11:20 AM

    right and 2000 yards rushing didnt mean anything at the time you were playing marshall.

  61. massappeal12345 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:21 AM

    Welcone Detroit fans.

    Ever since Superbowl XXXVI, when the Patriot’s linebackers had Marshall Faulk a-runnin’ and a-hidin’, he has had a strong bias against the Patriots.

    And it sure feels good.

  62. machester52 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:23 AM

    Stafford just has to throw it in the ocean and Megatron will come down with it.

  63. channingtaintum says: Feb 17, 2012 11:24 AM

    I’m also going to add that not only did the 2000 Rams pass for 5,492 yards as a team, at the end of the season when awards were handed out, the NFL MVP Award was handed out to the RUNNING BACK of that same 5,492 passing offense, yep, you guessed it, Marshall Faulk.

    (yes, he can thank Kurt Warner for getting hurt, as can Drew Brees and Tom Brady for making the record a little easier to attain.)

    But Marshall’s been there, so if he doesn’t think it’s all that special, he’s got some clout to back it up.

  64. giablommi says: Feb 17, 2012 11:28 AM

    “Marshall Faulk still is and always will be bitter about Spygate. That whole Rams team insists they got screwed by that whole thing”
    ^^^^^
    Faulk was a very bitter individual before the “Spygate” allegations. After all, SB 36 was in Faulk’s hometown, they were 2 TD faves, and nobody gave NE a chance to win.

    The Patriots simply outschemed the Rams from the start, chipped Faulk on every single play and frustrated the hell out of him. (Everybody forgets that if not for a Willie McGinest hold on which negated the 99 yard fumble return on 4th and goal, that game would have been a blowout instead of going right down to the wire-NE would have then been up 24-3 instead of 17-10 in the early 4th quarter).

    Regardless, as an analyst, Faulk is an embarrassment to the NFL Network, he clearly lets his bitterness and bias get in the way of rational thinking. Above that, he is just not a very smart individual. Thus, when he picked the Pats to beat the Giants on the Super Bowl pregame this year, I know something was up, and that the Pats were screwed.

  65. rooneyruleblues says: Feb 17, 2012 11:32 AM

    Every record broken by a Goodell era QB should have an asktrik. Bottom line is you can’t touch the QB anymore.

    Id venture to say Drew Brees would have had a much tougher time getting his yards this year if he played when Marino did.

    You cant touch the QB anymore, and they way they protect revievers has boosted offense in this era. Marshall is not far of base at all.

  66. suhnami says: Feb 17, 2012 11:34 AM

    athleticmedic says: Feb 17, 2012 11:08 AM

    Not having a run game actually makes you THROW more, that’s why Faulk isn’t impressed. 5k yds when 80% of your plays are throwing the football, AND WRs can’t get looked at funny without getting a PI call isn’t all that impressive. Considering a handful of QBs did it at the same time, with the “soft” rules makes sense. Also, the “greatest show on turf” COULD run the ball…that also makes his point!

    I knew that Lions fans would destroy Faulk’s comment…

    ————————————–

    First off the Lions threw the ball 65% of the time and rushed in 35% of the time (not 80% as you suggest)…in comparison the Rams in 2000 passed the ball 60% of the time, and rushed 40%….either way they both were “pass heavy schemes”

    On the rushing argument? I’d argue it makes it more difficult to throw for 5,000 yards when the defense KNOWS you are going to pass and defends the pass as is the case with the Lions…the Rams were better at running the ball, which allowed more favorable matchups in the pass game because they could keep defenses honest.

  67. Mr. Wright 212 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:40 AM

    These Lions fans and their sensitivities SMH. Faulk is right, and I don’t even like him most of the time. The Calvin Johnson sentiment IS right.

    With the rules that were in place before 2001, Stafford would have had about 3,500 yards or so — which is STILL impressive. But 5,000 is eye popping because it had previously been so rare. Now that we have these current rules that favor passing and take away the effectiveness of the secondaries around the league, you can’t sit here and disagree with the assertion.

    Faulk said it and I say it also — I am NOT taking away from what Stafford did (Brady’s dinking and dunking is the least impressive; and Brees passed more than anyone, while Eli was forced to pass more — with the most big plays of anyone in the NFL, no less — than ever, because of Bradshaw’s injuries and the offensive line stinking for 3/4 of the season in the run game), but the fact remains, even if he isn’t passing to Calvin, the THREAT to be able to do so is there — and that opens up all those underneath crossing patterns that were responsible for almost 2/3 of his passing yards. You to factor the rules, the effect that Johnson has on the defense and the competitive disadvantage that defenses were up against collectively throughout 2011 — in order to see MY point. As for Faulk, make of his motivations here what you will.

    I am not impressed by any of those QBs’ passing yardage stats except Rodgers, and that’s because of HOW the Packers did it, not just the totals.

    Eli’s big play WRs inflated his stats by a good 600-700 yards (4,200 is about what I pegged him for anyway, following a couple of 4,000 yard seasons previous to 2011). Eli’s league-best clutch play overall was more impressive than the yardage totals.

  68. stinkythumbs says: Feb 17, 2012 11:45 AM

    How can you make a statement like:

    “anyone that watched every Lions snap would admit he was up-and-down for much of the season until a scorching finish.”

    No question you DID NOT watch every snap. I did, and some of them I watched twice. The man was solid all year long, save the couple of games he was truly affected by the thumb injury. No doubt he finished strong, but he played like an elite QB from the get go. Matthew Staffiord IS elite. Marshall Faulk is an ex player trying to get a little attention in his fledgling second career.

  69. sj39 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:45 AM

    Man Patriot fans are sensitive, just like their girly-man QB. It’s not the rest of the World’s fault that they cheated.

  70. davidjcu says: Feb 17, 2012 11:48 AM

    I’m no Stafford fan, but if it was so insignificant, why did it take so long for it to finally happen again?
    ______________________

    Let’s see, a combination on contact rules and tackling. Throwing to a receiver across the middle of the field used to be a rare thing because of the risk of the big hits that happen because more than likely they would get their clock cleaned. But now there is almost no risk of that and defenders can barely touch a guy. It would be one thing if only 1 QB accomplished it buy for it to be accomplished 3 times. And easily could been 5 if Rodgers didn’t sit a game and Eli was 67 yards away from reaching 5000 yards. Not to mention Peyton probably would of been one of the guys had he been healthy.

  71. joey15215 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:48 AM

    Unfortunately … the current Commissioner feels that flash is what puts people in the seats. Add to that the league seems to me to be shooting for setting up the rules so that more individual records can be achieved, because the Commissioner also feels that puts people in the seats.

    For example of my last point: How else will the league ever have someone even come close to achieving Brett Favre’s record for total career passing yards?

    I would imagine that the league feels that the rushing record held by Smith for total career yards is less achievable than passing yards. What I do not like about that is that Smith’s record, who had holes the size of an 18-wheeler’s width, will never get challenged ever.

    It’s no longer about staying healthy over a long period of time playing football as a contact sport, but purely about money and staying healthy without the “football” in football.

  72. imasturbate says: Feb 17, 2012 11:52 AM

    Having 6 kids from 3 women isn’t nothing anymore.

    Antonio Cromartie

  73. nolanwiffle says: Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM

    Q: “so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?”

    A: They got preoccupied with winning a championship.

  74. dpndots says: Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM

    MR. FAULK IS JUST SALTY BECAUSE HIS DECLINE IN PERFORMANCE AFTER THE MADDEN CURSE HIT HIM. wahhhh.

  75. shadowgm1 says: Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM

    Let’s not heap on Stafford too quickly as an elite QB. Megatron’s stats show 10 games alone where he had long’s of over 40 yards (four of them for TD’s) and seven of the 16 total games where the game high long was capped with a TD. 17.5 yard per catch average, and 1,681 yards (33% of total passing yards) which contributed to his QB’s 5,038; Pettigrew amassed 777 (15%), Burleson 757 (15%) – that’s already close to 4,000 yards alone and Johnson has already eclipsed the teams second best WR by better than a 2:1 mark. Johnson also proved himself highly reliable by consistently beating triple team coverages, so reading the defense became an afterthought for Stafford. His assessment that Stafford isn’t elite with those numbers is spot on, but he’s an immense hypocrite when it comes to him touting former associate Kurt Warner, who was propped up by stellar WR play his entire career.

  76. blainegabbert says: Feb 17, 2012 12:03 PM

    If 5,000 yards is nothing, then what is 2,214?

  77. alwaters9 says: Feb 17, 2012 12:11 PM

    Sounds like Marshall was a big underachiever. With the talent around him, he should have had 2,000 yards rushing.

  78. bigjdve says: Feb 17, 2012 12:12 PM

    Why do people keep trying to compare people via statistics? They are all irrelevant when comparing them as they are apples to oranges.

    What is important is how they got to those statistics.

    Joe Montana is in my opinion the greatest QB to ever play. If you look at his statistics they may or may not look that way. What made him great was his ability to make things happen.

    The greatest show on turf didn’t have a 5000 yd year when they won the SB, however did they need it? They were the champs.

    It is about what you mean to your team and the game.

    Stafford’s 5000yd season may not mean what it once did, however if you ask Lion’s fans that a handful of years ago were 0-16, it was great. For Stafford it was great as it is hands down his best year as a pro. Hopefully he can improve and whether he does that again or not, hopefully he will keep winning and meaning a lot to Lion’s fans.

  79. primetime0552 says: Feb 17, 2012 12:13 PM

    It means nothing, yet only 4 people have done it..right… The last sentece in this article is stupid. So only QB’s that are considered elite can throw for 5000 yards? Just because Staffords first complete season, who says he isn’t an elite quarterback. Obviously he has to continue to prove that he is. He could easily establish himself as one of the games elite quarterbacks in the coming years. So when he establishes himself as an elite quarterback, then will 5000 yards mean something again?

  80. wetpaperbag3 says: Feb 17, 2012 12:14 PM

    nebster21 says: Feb 17, 2012 10:26 AM

    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?
    ————————————————

    Because:

    1) Marshall Faulk and the St. Louis can read (unlike you).

    2) 10+ years ago, game rules were very much different as compared to today. Now, a receiver cannot be touched AT ALL beyond 5 yards from scrimmage and it’s a penalty to hit a “defenseless receiver”; thus making it a whole lot easier to go across the middle without fear of getting blown up and the pass up the middle is the easiest pass for an NFL QB to make.

    3) Marshall Faulk has PERSPECTIVE; being that he played for 12 years and has continued to follow the NFL for the last 6 years. Not to mention, he’s a LEGIT Hall of Famer.

    4) He’s right. The game has become a passing league. QB’s today are passing between 50-60 times a game as compared to 10+ years ago where QB’s passed on the average of 35-40 times a game.

  81. unlost1 says: Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM

    he says it’s nothing but he doesn’t want to take anything away from it!

  82. bigbluenationdb says: Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM

    Couldn’t agree more with Faulk. Any above average QB with good/great WRs should throw for close to or more then 5000 yards now.

    The officiating and rules totally favor offenses. WRs are allowed a free release after 5 yards and you can’t hit QBs at all.

  83. gisellichek says: Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM

    I am not saying I agree with Faulk but had he framed it in the context of what defines greatness in a QB … Then he needs to mention that it doesn’t matter how many yards you throw for, wins, and big wins are what truely define QBs in todays game.

    Stafford won enough games to get him team in the playoffs … 24 other QBs didn’t… to me that is what truely matters… I ask the lion’s faithful… Would have traded the 5000 plus yard season for a super bowl title?

    I think so…

  84. brianbud says: Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM

    broken down to a per pass average staffords season stats are equal to or better than Joe Montanas best statistical season. and good old joe was throwing to jerry rice and it was his 10th full season.

  85. glennalan16 says: Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM

    Faulk is right. 5000 divided by 16 equals 312.5 yards a game. That’s doesn’t seem too difficult in today’s pass first league. Especially when you have Calvin Johnson to throw to and you play the Packers twice plus Carolina is on your schedule.

  86. cowboysfanouteast says: Feb 17, 2012 12:36 PM

    It’s a pass-happy league. The 5,000 yard milestone is increasingly meaningless. Did you watch Drew Brees much this past season? On just about every play he was in shotgun formation no matter the down and distance.

  87. CKL says: Feb 17, 2012 12:38 PM

    Marshall definitely is a bit of a jerk sometimes but I agree with him (not that it’s NOTHING but that it’s not that impressive) and my team’s QB (Brady) DID throw for 5 k this past year. Thank goodness the MVP voters had the smarts to pick Rodgers as MVP. He didn’t throw for 5k but his amount of TDs to INTs for the yards he threw was AMAZING. That’s what counts, efficiency.

    Yards are a bad way to measure efficiency be it for QBs, defenses, offenses etc. They are a volume stat. As long as they keep score by POINTS yards don’t mean much. I think Drew Bledsoe threw for 4k yards long before Brady did but he was never, not even in TB’s first year starting, as EFFICIENT as Brady was.

  88. 13forgbp says: Feb 17, 2012 12:42 PM

    Faulk is right. This inconvenient fact takes a lot of the shine off of Brees’ new record as well. It is not much of a record if multiple guys would have done it. Brees has the record because he and his coach wanted the record…specifically. that is what they were playing for ween in and week out.

  89. lionsplayoffs says: Feb 17, 2012 12:46 PM

    Yeah…I suppose 41 TD’s is nothin’ too.

    He played 3-4 games with a broken finger and played terribly. Look at what he did the rest of the season.

  90. EJ says: Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM

    Throwing for 5,000 yards today is sure a lot easier than it would have been during the Marino, Montana, Kelly, Esiason and Elway years. Back then it was all about the 1,000 yard rushers like Smith, Sanders and Thomas. Now days QB’s like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, E.Manning and Stafford have it easy, RB’s like Johnson, Peterson, Jackson, Lynch and Bradshaw find it much harder to reach that 1,000 yard mark. The NFL has become so pass happy that the run has almost been cut in half. I myself miss the run game. Seeing the right Tackle pop a Linebacker as the Running back explodes through the 2 foot hole for 15 yards.

  91. zpfeifer7mn says: Feb 17, 2012 1:07 PM

    “not even a top 5 qb”, wow, Iam sure Detroit fans are just pissed Stafford has already developed into a top 10 NFL QB. I’d say Stafford is doing pretty damn good, especially wirh his lack of a consistent running game and very mediocre O-line. Ill give you he has a special WR in C.Johnson and also a couple nice TE’s, one very nice (pettigrew). But what else could Stafford of done so far besides continue to stay on the field & off the injury report.

  92. bobhk says: Feb 17, 2012 1:09 PM

    Reading through the comments it’s so funny that so many people are trashing Faulk for his comments even though not one of them played in the nfl. He knows more than you.

    Of course, like someone pointed out that faulk’s rams did have over 5000 yards.

    If, in the coming seasons we season we see more and more 5000 yard seasons then, indeed, Stanford’s season is not all that special. I feel that that is the trend…

  93. roastbeefsandwich says: Feb 17, 2012 1:09 PM

    Passing Yards will go down with a full off season for the defense to actually get into “football” shape.

  94. paul82461 says: Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM

    So if the NFL has become a passing league then why werent there more 2,000 yard runners when it wasnt? Faulk I like you as a player but keep your mouth shut on a great acccomplishment.

  95. njhitman says: Feb 17, 2012 1:17 PM

    Faulk is just speaking for Kurt who won’t say it himself . You know the who bagged over 5,000 bags of food in one year . The guy who made the Super Market Hall Of fame for bagging

  96. realdraftgm says: Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM

    Top five quarterbacks last year:

    Brady 1
    Brees 2
    Rodgers 3
    Roeslesberger 4
    Stafford 5

    Top five yes he was and remember just because you wrote the article does not mean your assessment is correct and also to anyone who reads it remember this is all subjective. Yes two other quarterbacks did it last year and yes Faulk is right to a certain extent but the quality of play of those three quarterbacks was off the charts even if it was easier with the rules the db’s have to maintain; basically Faulk is saying do it with the old rules which would be alot harder but all three of these quarterbacks showed accuracy that is rarely ever seen.

  97. dennisworethemenaceshoes says: Feb 17, 2012 1:32 PM

    Talking heads say crazy things to get in the news and get attention. I think what bothers me more is GR pretending to be knowledgeable about football or the Lions. If he had even paid casual attention to the Lions this year he would have seen big numbers and huge comebacks throughout the season. Stafford had a broken finger for a 3-4 game stretch in the middle of the year that hurt his numbers. To suggest that he was streaky is foolhardy though. It kind of discredits you when you say nonsense like he had an up and down season or he was not a top 5 QB. Brees, Brady and Rodgers are the only 3 guys you can put ahead of him this year. If Stafford played for Pittsburgh, Green Bay, or Dallas, he would have been an MVP candidate in the media’s view. If playing QB in the NFL were so easy than Hue Jackson and Bill Polian would still have a job. They write this nonsense because they know it will stir people up. Creating controversy out of nothing gets them more page views and thus more money from advertisers. The sad part is that it finally worked on me! Saying that a 5,000 yard, 41TD QB is not elite makes your opinion sound myopic.

  98. jtmartinez34 says: Feb 17, 2012 1:41 PM

    Dopey Lions fans. Please accept that Stafford made a huge leap this year. He is a good quarterback with great stats. He is not a great quarterback. Perhaps he will be someday. If you objectively look at the Lions season, the impact on Stafford’s stats is clear. First, the Lions snuck up on many teams during the 5 and 0 start (by the way, they finished the season 5 and 6). They were down by 20 points in many of those games by halftime. By formula, most teams played bend but don’t break in the second half, when the Lions threw on every play. Artifiically inflated numbers. Second, when they did pull through the games, they were typically lobs into double or triple coverage to Calvin Johnson. Calvin had the monster year to be recognized. Without Calvin, Stafford’s statistics and the other bit recivers would have be pedestrian. He is the key. Look beyond stats, in second half season losses to NO, Chicago, and GB – he self-desructed and threw interceptions at key points in the game. The second-stringer in GB even out dueled him. New Orleans deconstructed him in the playoffs after their scripted plays ran out. I think Faulk is right on the money. Lion’s fans should sober up and give accolades where it belongs – to Megatron. The Lions did not beat one single team of merit last year and Stafford can’t compared to those QB’s who actually won games for their team.

  99. canadianvikingfaniii says: Feb 17, 2012 1:49 PM

    It may not mean anything 10 years down the road if the rules continue to be Faulked, but right now 5000 yards is something impressive.

  100. wetpaperbag3 says: Feb 17, 2012 1:55 PM

    realdraftgm says: Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM

    Top five quarterbacks last year:

    Brady 1
    Brees 2
    Rodgers 3
    Roeslesberger 4
    Stafford 5

    Top five yes he was and remember just because you wrote the article does not mean your assessment is correct and also to anyone who reads it remember this is all subjective. Yes two other quarterbacks did it last year and yes Faulk is right to a certain extent but the quality of play of those three quarterbacks was off the charts even if it was easier with the rules the db’s have to maintain; basically Faulk is saying do it with the old rules which would be alot harder but all three of these quarterbacks showed accuracy that is rarely ever seen.

    ———————–

    So, you’re putting Stafford (and even Roethlisberger) over Eli Manning? WOW!

  101. fatdaddy73 says: Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM

    If only Brees and Brady had thrown for 5000, Faulk would have said it was an epic year for QBs. Since Stafford did it, well then it means nothing I guess =/

    Matthew Stafford possesses the strongest arm in the league, and his accuracy has improved markedly throughout the season. He was a top 5 QB all year long, well, except for when he played with the glove to protect the broken finger… If he played on the Pats, Steelers or Jets, he’d be an MVP candidate and no one would be questioning his credentials. Since he plays in Detroit… he doesn’t make the Pro Bowl.

  102. ruggerlad says: Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM

    While I agree the rule changes are terrible and creating bogus records, 5000 is still impressive no matter how you look at it!

  103. imbetterthanyou says: Feb 17, 2012 2:07 PM

    Someone’s list in the comments had Roethlisberger on their top 5 including Stafford. So, that pretty much lacks any credibility by considering Big Ben a top 5 QB this season.

    How many Stafford yards and TDs were him just tossing the ball into the end zone for a 6’5″ monster named Megatron? Faulk has a point to a certain extent. Stafford has one of the best WRs in the league, best this season IMO, and he utilized him…a lot. 5,000 yards is still very impressive, but the Lions fan responses talking about other QBs having it easier are blind to the Megatron factor, which is referenced in my question above.

  104. godcanfirealdavis says: Feb 17, 2012 2:13 PM

    Impressive, but Marino is still god… 80′s were a different period… And much harder to do… Receivers and qb’s are babied today…

  105. sariff420 says: Feb 17, 2012 2:35 PM

    Funny, Detroit has one winning season and all of a sudden, their fans know more about football than Faulk.

  106. johntonioholmes says: Feb 17, 2012 2:37 PM

    Faulk should have more tact because that looks like a direct swipe at Stafford and I don’t think he meant it that way.

    With that being said, he’s absolutely right. 10 years ago, 4,000 yards was a good season. It’s the equivalent of 3,500 yards–average.

    86.0 used to be a good passer rating. Now it’s average and 96.0 is good.

    This is a quarterback’s league. They better put up Madden-like numbers.

  107. klunge says: Feb 17, 2012 2:41 PM

    glennalan16 says:
    Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM
    Faulk is right. 5000 divided by 16 equals 312.5 yards a game. That’s doesn’t seem too difficult in today’s pass first league.
    ————————————————

    Perhaps you could go try it, then come back and tell us all how easy it is. It’s so easy that only 5 QB’s even breached 300yds/game. Eli was lowest of those with 308 and the next closest was Rodgers with 289.
    I will encourage you as I have others: Speak with data.

  108. johntonioholmes says: Feb 17, 2012 2:44 PM

    imbetterthanyou

    Dude, it’s top five overall. Ben was injured in his last 4 games, which took away from an otherwise good season.

    There’s no way that Stafford is better than him.

    Give Ben a WR like Johnson and he’ll carve up the league. Give Flacco a guy like Johnson and he’ll become great all of the sudden too.

    Look at what Andre Johnson does for Shaub.

    I think Stafford is solid, but he’s not close to top 5 and Ben is in there. Eli Manning’s one good season won’t convince me otherwise.

  109. funktron2x says: Feb 17, 2012 2:45 PM

    If you didnt watch the games, and pretty much nobody here but us Lions fans did, then you’re not going to offer any analysis and insight. you’ve got an opinion, and that’s fine – but don’t waste your time or ours with faulty analysis. Stafford was a monsteer this season, and without him, Detroit ain’t close to the playoffs. Faulk and the haters are simply short on reason and logic here.

  110. cmutimmah says: Feb 17, 2012 2:50 PM

    If the Lions win the superbowl they will probably say “Well, it means nothing, 36 teams already won it, so it’s not that big of a deal now…”

    OK – 5,000 isn’t as amazing because the game has changed… but in reality, 5,000 yards isn’t much because RBs and TEs are gaining more yards per catch now than in the past, and the screen game has replaced a good portion of the running game…

    However, the more passes thrown, the more accurate teh QB has to be, the better the blocking needs to be, the more risk of injury there is… let’s not short change QBs in this league because of Calvin and era… (because I’m pretty sure Warner didn’t do what he did without Bruce/Holt or without Larry Fitz…)

  111. bobhk says: Feb 17, 2012 2:51 PM

    dennisworethemenaceshoes says:
    Feb 17, 2012 1:32 PM
    Talking heads say crazy things to get in the news and get attention. I think what bothers me more is GR pretending to be knowledgeable about football or the Lions.
    —————–
    This is so hilarious. So many people on this board pretending to know more than Faulk who’s played the game at a high level and Rosenthal who’s *paid* to pay attention to and write about NFL.

    And here we have arm chair QBs (like myself) pontificating.
    Greatness of Stafford’s season is subjective but 5000 yards is not what it used to be since 3 did it and 2 others were pretty close.
    That said, I think Stafford is a good QB.

  112. rdrdrs58 says: Feb 17, 2012 2:54 PM

    he’s right… with all of the rule changes affecting the defenses ability to “defend” its going to make offensive numbers resemble video game stat lines from Madden. No contact past 5 yards… any contact down field is pass interference… no more separating the ball from the WR when the go across the middle… All of this leads to inflated passing game stats with QB racking up yards and WR/RB having no fear going across the middle and racking up YAC because Defenders are afraid to hit them until they’ve run 5 yards with the ball…

  113. eaststsfb says: Feb 17, 2012 3:03 PM

    sariff420 says:Feb 17, 2012 2:35 PM

    Funny, Detroit has one winning season and all of a sudden, their fans know more about football than Faulk.
    __________________________________

    Well said.

  114. otis52gsh says: Feb 17, 2012 3:06 PM

    Stafford is insanely OVERATTED. Faulk nailed it.

  115. jc327 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:14 PM

    Well, reallym, he’s pretty close to the mark. Sure, it’s only been done 5 times… but that’s once in 1984, then once last year and three times this year.

    5,000 yard passing is about like 1,500 yards rushing now, whereas it used to be like a running back hitting the 2,000 mark – actually, bigger than that.

  116. hutch119 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:15 PM

    He makes a valid point, not the most tasteful way to do I mean has Stafford ever done to him? But no one can say passing yards this past year weren’t easier to come by I mean the stats back it up

  117. malekmj says: Feb 17, 2012 3:29 PM

    Johntonioholmes…….. Lets read what your wrote again….even though it is painful to read and I will comment below.

    johntonioholmes says: Feb 17, 2012 2:44 PM

    imbetterthanyou

    Dude, it’s top five overall. Ben was injured in his last 4 games, which took away from an otherwise good season.

    There’s no way that Stafford is better than him.

    Give Ben a WR like Johnson and he’ll carve up the league. Give Flacco a guy like Johnson and he’ll become great all of the sudden too.

    Look at what Andre Johnson does for Shaub.

    I think Stafford is solid, but he’s not close to top 5 and Ben is in there. Eli Manning’s one good season won’t convince me otherwise.
    ———————–

    Flacco would be great with Calvin??? HAHAHAH. NOT. There isn’t a BALTIMORE fan that actually agrees with you. They would ALL take Stafford over Flacco. Stafford had more TD’s NOT TO Calvin than Flacco had all season to ALL his receivers. LOL

  118. primetime0552 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:34 PM

    jtmartinez34 says:Feb 17, 2012 1:41 PM

    Dopey Lions fans. Please accept that Stafford made a huge leap this year. He is a good quarterback with great stats. He is not a great quarterback. Perhaps he will be someday. If you objectively look at the Lions season, the impact on Stafford’s stats is clear. First, the Lions snuck up on many teams during the 5 and 0 start (by the way, they finished the season 5 and 6). They were down by 20 points in many of those games by halftime. By formula, most teams played bend but don’t break in the second half, when the Lions threw on every play. Artifiically inflated numbers. Second, when they did pull through the games, they were typically lobs into double or triple coverage to Calvin Johnson. Calvin had the monster year to be recognized. Without Calvin, Stafford’s statistics and the other bit recivers would have be pedestrian. He is the key. Look beyond stats, in second half season losses to NO, Chicago, and GB – he self-desructed and threw interceptions at key points in the game. The second-stringer in GB even out dueled him. New Orleans deconstructed him in the playoffs after their scripted plays ran out. I think Faulk is right on the money. Lion’s fans should sober up and give accolades where it belongs – to Megatron. The Lions did not beat one single team of merit last year and Stafford can’t compared to those QB’s who actually won games for their team.

    ===================

    You say look beyond the stats, and then list 3 games. Well look beyond the stats of those three games and realize that he had a broken index finger on his throwing hand. Every ‘expert’ and former NFL quarterback said that finger being broken greatly affects the accuracy of throwing the ball. 10 of his 16 interceptions came when he was wearing a glove because of that broken index finger. Look beyond the stats like you say yourself….

  119. joecb91 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:41 PM

    so why didn’t the greatest show on turf get 5000 yards passing?

    ————

    Warner and Green combined for almost 5500 yards in 2000.

  120. denverwhodat says: Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM

    For those who are saying Faulk is a bitter blowhard, you are exactly right. NFL Network has made some really poor choices on their talent and featured analysts…I actually like Jamie Dukes a lot but cannot stand Warren Sapp & Marshall.

    My take on Marshall: a) arrogant as h ell b) interrupts everyone on set c) “the NFL was better when he played” d) bitter at Mother Theresa and the free world

    NFL Network needs an upgrade of talent big time and it starts with Faulk.

  121. 504in860 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:55 PM

    Contrary to popular belief, Brees did not throw more often than anyone else last season. Matthew Stafford actually had the most passing attempts of any QB in the league.

    Oh…and the Saints were also 6th in rushing. I think Faulk is bitter because the Saints broke the “greatest show on turf” record.

  122. mjkelly77 says: Feb 17, 2012 3:57 PM

    Marshall Faulk and Cris Carter are both a$$ clowns. StafFORD’s season was quite an accomplishment because if it wasn’t, 25+ other starting QBs are dog sh!t.

  123. mjkelly77 says: Feb 17, 2012 4:05 PM

    These Lions haters crack me up. If defenses are so emasculated, why doesn’t EVERY quarterback pass for 5,000 yards? Sure, the passing yardage average per game has gone up over the years because of rule changes. Common sense. But everybody isn’t passing for 5,000 yards. And that’s because the quarterbacks that are just have more talent.

  124. turnmymicup says: Feb 17, 2012 5:10 PM

    Faulk just wants attention. No way you can say throwing for 5K in a season isn’t a big deal. That’s a big accomplishment no matter how different the defenses are between now and back in the day.

  125. jtmartinez34 says: Feb 17, 2012 5:25 PM

    Why doesn’t every team pass for 5K? They don’t have to genius! Why did the Lions finish the season 5 and 6 and get wiped out in the playoffs?? Because throwing on every down into double and triple coverage doesn’t work against elite teams. You have to be balanced. No winning game plan says I’m going to throw 50 or 60 times a game for 400 or 500 yards. It typically is not a winning formula and indicates you are playing from behind in many games. And before you try to compare the elite offenses – like the Packers, NO, or the Pats – STOP. The Lions are NOT them. Why aspire to get and brag about inflated stats when you are an average team? Big stat seasons don’t always translate to wins. There is a huge gap between the greats and Stafford. Huge. The only reason he is in the conversation is gawdy stats, inflated by the best receiver in the league and circumstance. I think most people hate the loser Lions because of the euphoric fans who had one lucky season in 20 years and ultimately did nothing in the playoffs think somehow they know something. Don’t forget. You’re the Detroit Lions. I guarantee they don’t end up on the positive side of all those fortunate wins this coming season. Won’t happen. If Stafford throws for 5K or more yards again next season, I am confident it will be back to reality and another losing season and these boards will go silent as the Lions fans crawl back into thier hole. No one is saying Stafford is terrible, we’re just saying sober up on these top 5 delusions. Stafford and the Lions did not beat one single playoff team this year. Great QBs win and rise to the occassion. Stafford did none of that against quality teams, when it counted. Again, he is a good QB with great stats. That is all.

  126. mmajosh says: Feb 17, 2012 7:01 PM

    So the guy plays a quarter of the season with a broken finger and that constitutes as him having a “down” time. He was constantly throwing strong except during that time.

  127. axespray says: Feb 17, 2012 7:18 PM

    lol at all these Madden playing QB Stat lovers.
    Marshall is just speaking the truth, dudes got an mvp award and superbowl ring, Hall of Fame Career, Dude being bitter is like calling Donald Trump poverty stricken.

    5,000 yards these days is what 4,000 yards were in the mid 2000s, you weren’t considered elite unless you averaged more than 4,200 yards per season.

    Tell Montana/Elway in their primes that they would have to average 4,000 yards to be considered elite, they’d shake their heads and say that would be impossible, defenses are allowed to tackle and what not.

  128. dennisworethemenaceshoes says: Feb 17, 2012 7:35 PM

    @bobhk

    Sometimes you listen to guys like Michael Irvin and for a minute you believe that you could know more than an ex-NFL player. I do not actually think I know more than Marshall Faulk though. However, like political pundits and writers for sports blogs, Sports analysts are paid to get attention. Like I said though, regardless of his agenda, he is paid to bring attention to the NFL network and did not care. GR is paid to get attention as well. However, GR is a writer on a sports blog. He is getting paid because he is good at getting attention. Not because he has in-depth knowledge of play calling and strategy in the NFL. Just like actors, getting a high profile or well compensated job is more luck than skill. At least 99% of the time. There are a billion writers who could replace anyone on this site in a second. I come here because it used to be a one stop shop for news around the NFL. Somewhere along the line they learned that fabricated controversy gets them page hits. I wish they would stop. You can report what Faulk said without the snarky commentary at the end.

  129. jtmartinez34 says: Feb 17, 2012 9:05 PM

    Tired of the finger thing. If playing with a broken finger makes you a hero, then Tony Romo is a god. To end this, if the Packers wouldn’t have played their B team in finale, Stafford wouldn’t be anywhere near 5K. He would have been sub-300 in that game and it would have been a wipeout. He would have ended up 6th or 7th in passing yards. Ultimately, no one focuses a game plan on Matthew Stafford other than to pressure him. They game plan against the real threats, like Calvin. Other greats are the threats that team’s try to figure out and stop or limit.

  130. finsphan says: Feb 17, 2012 9:52 PM

    Stafford was up and down but had a scortching finish and that means its not important…..well then newton had a scortching start and was mostly down after game 4 (didnt throw for more than 250 yrds in a game after game 4)so I guess what he did was not that impressive either, but faulk would never say that would he

  131. danielapackardpc says: Feb 17, 2012 11:34 PM

    Rosenthal, you are wrong. Your assertion that “any Lions fan who watched every play” would agree with you is crazy – what that tells me is that not only didn’t you watch every play of the Lions season, but you’re probably an idiot. Unlike you, I DID watch every play of the Lions season, and this guy Stafford is the Real Deal. He’s got poise, he’s got a great arm and can make any throw. And, he’s only 24 years old and was in just his second real season as a starter.

    I live in Phoenix and am also a Cardinals fan. Look what happened to the Cardinals’ offense when Kurt Warner retired. Yes, they still had Larry Fitzgerald. But without a good quarterback, Fitzgerald’s production went down, the offense really regressed and the Cardinals took a huge step back from the Super Bowl. It is the same way with Stafford and Johnson. Yes, Johnson is great – but he’s not going to be nearly as great as he is without a guy like Stafford throwing to him.

    Your comments about Stafford and your unwillingness to give him credit throws your intelligence and objectivity into question and reflects poorly on the seriousness and reliability of this entire website.

  132. enx31 says: Feb 18, 2012 12:35 AM

    Fancy article. Strange not mention the top 2 in the stat given that’s what it’s solely about (also now top 2 of all time).

    Also… sigh at Faulk. “As much as people throw the football now, you better have 5,000 [yards] if you have Calvin Johnson”, tells me he still doesn’t know why he lost in the 2001 Rams/Pats SB. Something called team? Maybe give your cousin Kevin a call, he knows.

    Being said, historic accomplishment for all. Probably Stafford more than anyone given Detroit’s past offensive struggles….coming from a Pats fan.

  133. macarwolf says: Feb 18, 2012 7:08 AM

    Stafford man weapon is Calvin Johnson. But Aaron Rodgers is Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson. Tom Brady has some big time targets as well. When you get to the Lions you down play Staffords achievement with he suppose to get that he has Calvin Johnson. You Sir, are idiot! Lions haven’t had a quarterback break the 5000 yard mark ever. I wouldnt be surprised if Stafford threw over 9000 yards. He makes the same comment. This is when analysts, really critics should shut up and say something nice. Being that you never played the position who are you to say this was nothing??? More I listen to this guy, he goes against the grain only to object what most people agree with… Faulk is your typical hater. If Stafford breaks the single season record. I hope he calls your hating butt out like he did Cris Carter on Calvin Johnson. You’re an idiot!

  134. miatamich says: Feb 19, 2012 4:33 PM

    If passing for 5,000 yards is nothing, what does that make passing for 4,000 yards? Less than nothing?

  135. dpndots says: Feb 19, 2012 7:38 PM

    1. Coming from Mr. Faulk the Salty doesn’t SAY much. Had Kurt Warner said it, might’ve been more legitimate.

    2. Did Matt Leinart throw ever throw for 5k with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald? No. So statistics don’t matter. No one can argue with how teams try to control a game tempo or even field position for that matter.

    3. The guy above me makes a great point when he says Joe Montana’s ability to perform in specific situations built a strong foundation for a legendary career. Well, Jerry Rice played a huge part of his success too. We learn that it goes in hand for hand. On the other hand, we have an accurate Drew Brees that throws balls to 6th round draft picks such as Hofstra Marques Colston. That’s much more impressive.

    4. At the end of the day, it’s a collaborative team effort so please this Mr. Faulk, respectfully, 5,000 yards is not “nothing”. If anything that number should measure the tremendous amount of effort he put in to releasing the ball enough times as accurately possible as fast as possible. Tebow is praised for his determination, and Matt Stafford should be praised for his toughness. Throwing a game winnin touchdown to Pettigrew with a shoulder injury.

  136. eaglesw00t says: Feb 20, 2012 10:30 AM

    Im not going to say 5,000 yards isnt nothing. But I will say Im not impressed.

    Anyone who lived through Randy Moss’ tenure in Minnesota knows darn well that a QB can look good when they have a great weapon, even if they arent great themselves.

    No way Stafford is top 5. Get a reality check.

  137. laeaglefan says: Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM

    I would love to see a statistic on what percentage of total passing yards in the league came in the 4th quarter, when the team trying to play catch up is passing on almost every down and defenses on the team in the lead are playing the dreaded “prevent” defense….which is designed to chew up clock but also allows easy completions underneath.

  138. hammer0422 says: Feb 20, 2012 9:53 PM

    5038 yds while playing 3 games with a broken finger ….. now thats impresive .. Faulk is a jerk !!!!!!!

  139. eaglesw00t says: Feb 21, 2012 10:52 AM

    5038 yds while playing 3 games with a broken finger ….. now thats impresive .. Faulk is a jerk !!!!!!!

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    No, it really isnt. Thats what he is trying to tell you.

  140. lionsplayoffs says: Feb 21, 2012 6:24 PM

    And if throwing for over 5,000 is nothing then that doesn’t say much for the teams that gave up the yards.

  141. hammer0422 says: Feb 21, 2012 11:17 PM

    Faulk was at best an average back , who benefited from the players and system around him .. Did he ever have 2000 yds rushing …NOT .. The Lions are the only NFL team to have a 2000 yd rusher (Barry Sanders ) and a 5000 yd passer (Matthew Stafford) … Think Faulk took to many hits to the head …lol

  142. hammer0422 says: Feb 21, 2012 11:48 PM

    @eagleswoot .. seems like you a viking fan … I don’t recall any of your qbs throwing for 5000 yds . your opinion just like Faulks don”t mean much ….lol

  143. eaglesw00t says: Feb 22, 2012 8:13 AM

    hammer0422 says:
    Feb 21, 2012 11:17 PM
    Faulk was at best an average back , who benefited from the players and system around him .. Did he ever have 2000 yds rushing …NOT .. The Lions are the only NFL team to have a 2000 yd rusher (Barry Sanders ) and a 5000 yd passer (Matthew Stafford) … Think Faulk took to many hits to the head …lol

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    hammer0422 says:
    Feb 21, 2012 11:48 PM
    @eagleswoot .. seems like you a viking fan … I don’t recall any of your qbs throwing for 5000 yds . your opinion just like Faulks don”t mean much ….lol

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    Did you really call Marshall Faulk at best an average back??? How old are you? Did you ever actually see him play a game in your life? Have you ever watched a game other than a Detroit Lions game?

    I would attempt to argue the “5,000 yards not being a major accomplishment” statement…but from reading your posts (and seeing that you gave your own a thumbs up) I dont think there is much of a point. Its like talking about the intricacies of cricket with an eskimo. Because its obvious that you dont know much about football as a whole, just the Lions. And thats sad. Football is a great sport. You should spend some time next season expanding your horizons, and not just concentrating everything on just your favorite team.

    And yes, I guess my name gave it away. Im a huge Vikings fan. (Yes, I am rolling my eyes right now)

  144. seandconner says: Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM

    Yes, 5000 yards will become more frequent but you still can’t discount that milestone. And just because you have an all-world receiver doesn’t mean you will get 5000 yards. What is he thinking?????

  145. hammer0422 says: Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM

    Well for you to say 5000 yds is nothing , Looks like there is another IDIOT other then Faulk ..Shows in its self that you know nothing about football .. When Culpepper played for the Lions he had Calvin , What did he do ? NOTHING !!!! And yes I have watched faulk play . Been watching football for 30 years . I will stand behind my comment that he was a average back at best when compared to Barry Sanders ….

  146. tmar1961 says: Feb 24, 2012 11:00 AM

    @toledoohoh
    The writer BLATANTLY says he isnt detracting from the accomplishment. Be real 5k passing in todays game is NOTHING like 4k of the 70s-90s with the rule structure PROMOTING passing and a 16 game season. 250yds per game gets you 4k and 312 gets you 5k. Its the same comparison to a 1k season for a RB, its no big deal in a 16 game season, just 62.5 yds per game.

    @suhnami
    Matt Ryan didnt do it for 2 reasons:
    1. Falcons are a run first team not pass happy like most of the league although i think that changes in 2012 season.
    2. Injuries to an already suspect O-line. The Falcons only played the same line 5 consecutive weeks.
    And lets not forget Ryan did throw for over 4k and 29TD 12 Int; a very good year for a qb on a running team.

  147. tmar1961 says: Feb 24, 2012 11:21 AM

    I forgot to say i LIKE Stafford and what the Lions did in 2011, they took a good step forward. Now they need to win against quality teams something they failed to do at all last year.
    ” The fact that a quarterback could throw for 5,000 yards and not be among the game’s truly elite proves Faulk’s point.” <<< while harsh, it is a true statement and Faulk should have said it another way.

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