Orton, Campbell forgotten men among free agent quarterbacks

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The Peyton Manning story will be a daily soap opera for most of the offseason.  Matt Flynn is this year’s Kevin Kolb.  Drew Brees and Alex Smith aren’t going anywhere.

After those four men, there hasn’t been a lot of talk about free agent quarterbacks.

We’d argue that two players — Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell — would be better options than Flynn all money considered.

Are Orton and Campbell ever going to be top-10 quarterbacks?

Probably not, but the same holds true for Flynn. Orton and Campbell can perform at a competent level for a cheap price and win games if they have the right team around them. Teams like Washington, Miami, Cleveland, and even Jacksonville have to think about adding a veteran like them to the mix. Only one team gets Manning.

After Orton and Campbell, there are some wild cards. Chad Henne, Vince Young, Josh Johnson, and David Garrard should all get work.

We predicted where Manning, Flynn, and the two Rodney Dangerfields of this free agent class would end up on NBC SportsTalk.

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77 responses to “Orton, Campbell forgotten men among free agent quarterbacks

  1. I think Orton can be a decent QB, and there are some crappy teams out there that better start thinking about him.

  2. “After Orton and Campbell, there are some wild cards. Chad Henne, Vince Young, Josh Johnson, and David Garrard should all get work.”

    What, EXACTLY, about Vince Young’s performance this year tells you he should be working in the NFL next year?

  3. I’d take Orton or Campbell over Matt Cassel any day, and the Chiefs did say that they want to create competition for Cassel. The problem there is that neither of those QBs wants to go and have to compete against a super-expensive mediocre QB that the Chiefs are strangely committed to.

  4. According to Armando Salguero Miami is still interested in Orton, and now they have a pretty good shot at finally getting him.

  5. “We’d argue that two players — Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell — would be better options than Flynn all money considered.”

    I agree. Bring both to the jets and guarantee a superbowl win!

  6. Actually the real forgotten man is Brady Quinn. He can play and still be a starter in this league. His mechanics are much better now than they were two years ago. Someone will get a steal!

  7. Garrard has always been underrated, the key is if his health checks out.

    It’s funny how now once Gabbert took over everyone realizes the Jags supporting cast is weak! Hey, that’s what Garrard has had to work with for years and he’s looked good doing it!

  8. As coach Bill Walsh once said of a player: “He’s good enough to lose you games.”

    Orton is good enough to play QB in the NFL. He’s just not good enough to be a winner. Which is why he should be a backup or an emergency guy when you lose your franchise QB for the year.

  9. I know, I know … I’m going get a lot of thumbs down; however, for the sake of this article, can we please just get a lil bit of love for Mr. Brady Quinn. The guy did not have a great chance in Cleveland with his lack of surrounding talent and coach that did not have any faith in him. I still believe, if given a proper shot, he can produce at a level greater than Orton, Flynn or Campbell. I definitely feel he can produce more than the other QB’s you mentioned before Quinn. Give the man a shot!!

  10. yelix says:
    Feb 18, 2012 7:08 PM
    I’d take Orton or Campbell over Matt Cassel any day, and the Chiefs did say that they want to create competition for Cassel. The problem there is that neither of those QBs wants to go and have to compete against a super-expensive mediocre QB that the Chiefs are strangely committed to.

    Look around the league, only a few open QB jobs. DC, Miami, Cleveland and Seattle(?). Cleveland will most likely draft RG3 either at 4 or 2.

    KC = Peyton, Saturday & Clark
    DC = Orton & 2nd/3rd round QB
    Miami = Flynn & Reggie Wayne
    Henne to Jets?
    NO clue where Campbell goes as a backup….

  11. Never overlook the very real possibility of Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen opting to retain Campbell and trading Carson Palmer.

    I know, sounds insane, given how much the Raiders (ie Hue Jax) gave up to obtain him, but don’t rule out the possibility of a team like Seattle. It wouldn’t be a surprise if Pete Carroll wasn’t quietly lobbying John Schneider to look into a deal like this.

    Both McKenzie and Schneider are well aware of Matt Flynn’s potential. The question is, does either of them have enough faith in his potential to make him their new regime signature QB? Is there a quiet tug of war going on between Carroll, who one would guess probably takes a shine to Palmer versus Schneider, who may hold a positive view of Flynn? And what does McKenzie think of Flynn’s potential?

    If the Seahawks are lying in the weeds with regards to Palmer, this could start a chain reaction scenario, whereby the Hawks obtain Palmer via trade and the Raiders turn around and sign Flynn. We’ll see.

  12. How can you bunch Flynn in with orton and Campbell they have both proven they aren’t any teams answer.Flynn has played well he can’t be judged yet , he could be a top ten qb.

  13. I like Jason Campbell. Always thought he got a raw deal from Danny Boy, and Redskins. 5 different OC’s in 5 years. Oakland was going pretty good befor him, and McFadden went down. Jets players are hollering about competition for Sanchez, so I say bring JC in. He’s experienced, and he can make all the throws. Not saying he’s elite, but with a solid running game, and a stingy defense I think he can be better than Sanchez.

  14. My predictions:

    McNabb to Cleveland or Jets
    Flynn to Miami
    Orton to DC, but as a backup to RG3
    Campbell to either Seattle, Denver, KC, or Cleveland (starting)
    Henne to Chicago as a backup
    Garrard to Tampa as a backup
    Young re-signs with Philly

    And I have no idea about Peyton

  15. Its not hard to imagine either Orton or Campbell ending up with the Eagles as Vick’s backup, replacing Young. The one thing that a backup on the Eagles can be sure of is that he will get some playing time….maybe a lot of it….with Vick’s propensity for injuries.

  16. Campbell has stated several times he’s not a back up. He won’t go anywhere he doesn’t have a great shot at starting. I agree, he’s a good solid QB and would help a lot of teams.

  17. Cassel is tough as nails along with being an above average QB. I won’t be too worried if the Chiefs watch Orton walk away in favor of Cassel.

  18. campbell blows.

    orton can play, but a bad team will get him killed.

    flynn likely miami-bound.

    quinn makes campbell look good.

  19. They’re both mediocre QBs that will get you 8 or 9 wins in the right system.
    No more than that… NFL GMs surely know that.
    Nothing to see here. Move along…

  20. both Campbell and Orton are just average QBs to me and if Orton is in DC and RG3 is NOT in DC, kiss Shanahan goodbye because Orton will be the QB who ends Shanahan’s Washington coaching job. Orton would lead them to another bad year (like 6 and 10) and then we AGAIN will be looking for a QB.

    As for Campbell, someone mentioned Philly and that makes sense, i could see him there as the backup to Vick.

  21. It looks as if a lot of people think Jason Campbell got the shaft “again”. I agree and I hope he can reach his potential somewhere, somehow. He’s a good bloke.

  22. the raiders would be better off with campbell. and by this time next year the broncos would be better off with orton. and as terrible as matt moore is as a starter, miami may be better off with him than flynn.

    but when you group all these names together: moore, flynn, kolb, campbell, cassell, orton, young, henne, and johnson; the title of this group becomes abundantly clear….they are BACKUPS.

    and don’t put gabbert in that list yet, he and guys like jimmy clausen got a lot of work to do before they can be in that vaunted group.

  23. Redskins fans have seen enough of Campbell to know he ain’t going to be a successful NFL QB. Love the guy, but he just ain’t got it. To say he’s less of a gamble than Flynn just ignores his limited upside potential compared to Flynn’s

  24. trbowman says:
    Feb 18, 2012 7:19 PM
    Actually the real forgotten man is Brady Quinn. He can play and still be a starter in this league. His mechanics are much better now than they were two years ago. Someone will get a steal!
    ===================================
    Brady Quinn hasn’t had a passing attempt since 2009. What leads you to believe that his mechanics are much better now?

  25. I think out of all these qbs, I would prefer kyle orton. I think he has a decent arm can make all the throws and has the ability to munipulate defenses when needs to adjust. Also you could get him for cheap.

  26. Brady Quinn is going to be a major steal this year. The kid’s mechanics are good, and he has finally had the benefit of some decent coaching the past couple of years. Oh, and Orton with the Skins would probably tear it up too.

  27. If I was Seattle I’d rather have Campbell than Whitehurst. Heck, he most likely would beat out T Jack for the starting job.

  28. Campbell as a back up to Big Ben would be a very good fit. Capable of playign when needed at that woudl be at betwen 2-4 games a year and Steelers would still eb a 12 wins team yearly.

  29. McNabb needs to play on artificial turf. I’m tired of hearing the worms screaming.

    Campbell will end up in Washington.

    Quinn needs to go backstage so the viewer audience doesn’t see him cry when he isn’t drafted, I mean signed right away.

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    Sincerely, Dante and Randy

  31. How about Dennis Dixon he has great potential and would be a great fit for Washington and especially for San Fran, Jason Campbell is a Super Bowl Quarterback , Qb can’t give you a super bowl without a great team, Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, Roger Grieg and Fred Dean etc etc…, Terry Bradshaw with guys like Mean Joe Green, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, shall I say more, Jamarkus Russell can be a great qb still but also Kyle Orton is a backup at best period end of story, Now David Garrard on the other hand a lot like Jason Campbell bad teams and who drafted Jason Campbell a guy by the name of Joe Gibbs remember Joe Thiesman, Doug Williams and the Rypein I think he has a pretty good history of knowing qbs better than some of the jerks that are making decisions today. With guys like Alex Smith as starters give me a break the guy has had more opportunities to be a great player and has blown them every time he even when he does average he sucks he leaves to many plays undone. Jason and David and Dennis, Brady Quinn and Vince Young are great leaders and have earned their way into a starting roll something that needs to be explained to some of these so-called experts in the NFL.

    That’s My Opinion
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  32. Ortons play in 2009/2010 was borderline top ten and hes never had the type of weapons that some of the top ten Qbs have had. I think he can easily be a top ten Qb with the the weapons the Chiefs have.

    bring back Bowe, a healthy Moeki and Charles, Mcluster on 3rd down . Now of course hes not top 5 but he could easily be in the top ten the guy can throw the rock

  33. teal379 says:
    Feb 18, 2012 7:08 PM
    “After Orton and Campbell, there are some wild cards. Chad Henne, Vince Young, Josh Johnson, and David Garrard should all get work.”

    What, EXACTLY, about Vince Young’s performance this year tells you he should be working in the NFL next year?

    ——————–

    Um hello! Dream Team; were you not paying attention when they went to playoffs and beat…Oh wait a minute…

    I completely agree with you; he is a bum and I would take just about any of the Qb’s mentioned here over the Pride of UT aka Mr. Wonderlic! Quinn is the exception though as his best days were are ND…

  34. “Never overlook the very real possibility of Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen opting to retain Campbell and trading Carson Palmer. ”

    dafixisin, that is a ridiculous opening statement and the rest of your comment is as tortured as a typical contribution from one of the regularly employed wordsmiths on this very site you’re reading right now, pun intended.

    OAK would love to keep Campbell as a backup, but he wants to be a starter somewhere and the money that goes with it. He’s started enough games in the NFL to deserve at least one more shot as a starting QB. He might be the next Brad Johnson or Rex Grossman; a forgotten QB who goes to the Super Bowl.

    Carson Palmer is good enough to do what the Raiders need him to do. There are only a handful of elite QBs in the league and that’s by definition. After that group, you’re going to need much more of a team effort to win a championship anyway so let’s not slag those other QBs for not being Brees, Brady or Rodgers.

    If your team’s QB is good enough there are plenty of templates to follow for a championship. PIT and NYG have shown how to build a winner with consistency at QB even if Big Ben and Eli aren’t elite.

  35. I disagree with this assessment of Flynn. Unlike Kolb, who had worse stats than Orton prior to being traded to Arizona last year, Flynn is an unknown with two great starts. Orton is an adequate interim starter, and Flynn’s potential is unknown. Granted, Flynn will be much more expensive.

  36. The question is: which of these two quarterbacks can win you a championship?

    Free agency is looking slim this year besides a possible Vincent Jackson on the market off season 2012 is The Peyton Manning Saga.

  37. Josh Johnson is a diamond in the rough. Not a whole lot of help in Tampa when he got his shot. He should look pretty decent next year for the niners or any west coast offense that does their homework. Great kid, bright mind with a ton of talent.

  38. bigbeefyd says:
    Feb 18, 2012 10:28 PM
    Brady Quinn is going to be a major steal this year. The kid’s mechanics are good, and he has finally had the benefit of some decent coaching the past couple of years. Oh, and Orton with the Skins would probably tear it up too.

    ———————

    Gotta be the first time “decent coaching” has been mentioned in the same sentence when talking about anything from the McDaniels era in Denver. The last year maybe OK as Fox and his staff seem to know their butt from a hole in the ground, but before that-you gotta be kidding.

  39. terrellochouno says:Feb 18, 2012 7:46 PM

    Don’t forget Matt Moore either. He’d be an upgrade on quite a few teams.

    Moore is not a free agent. He is under contract with the Dolphins.

  40. ….We’d argue that two players — Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell — would be better options than Flynn all money considered….

    Just because he only has two starts? Compared to Jason and Orton, both career backups, at best?

    It must be real slow right now, because that was some major crock you’re spewing right now.

    If I was the GM of the Redskins, Seahawks, Browns, Fins and a few others, I’d go all in on Flynn and the second choice would be moving up in the draft (if I had to, to get any of the top 3 or even 4 QB’s) before coughing up a penny for either of those options.

    js

  41. I watched every game Jason Campbell played as a Redskin. He would be a really good quarterback, but his deep ball is too flat. If he could learn to put a little more loft under it, receivers could adjust to his throws. That is the only thing holding him back.

  42. Why does Orton keep fooling you people?

    According to the peanut gallery here, Tebow sucks, but Orton is a good quarterback.

    Last year you had them both quarterback the exact same team. There can be no better comparison. Look at the results.

  43. Campbell has at least been given a shot as the starter. Orrin has had to share every year while still putting up numbers similar to the over hyped Eli Manning

  44. Dear Wizard,

    The Broncos were NOT the same team. Elvis Dumervil was healthy for most of Tebow’s run and was out during Orton’s time.

    Think that didn’t make a difference? Hmpf. When you see the stats, the Broncos D gave up fewer points during Tebow’s stint AND the O scored just under one point less per game than they did under Orton.

    I’m not saying Orton is some god. He’s not. Tebow got lucky while his defense played much better. That’s why Dennis Allen is coaching da raidiizzzz.

  45. I hate to see orton continue to get the shaft. The guy has shown that he can be a solid qb withy the right talent around him. Plenty of teams should be looking at him. Why is one Flynn filler game a sign that he is the next god? That is beyond stupid

  46. In the 3 full games Orton played for the Chiefs he did a very decent job. I think he can be a starter for quite a few teams out there. I wonder if the Chiefs can get any compensation for him??

  47. I think you put Orton with some good receivers and he will put up some numbers. He and Brandon Lloyd were an excellent combination but beyond Lloyd there was no other WR on the team close.

    I do agree that DNV defense did carry them during the Tebow era this year as well

  48. If Jason ‘the Soup” Campbell comes back to DC I am burning everything I have Redskin related and I have been a fan for 50 years.

  49. In Orton’s 1st year with the Broncos he had the 6th rank defense, a running game that averaged 4.2 yards a carry, Brandon Marshall as his wr and he still could not deliver in the 4th quarter. Orton can post up nice stats but the all important 4th quarter is not his thing. The guy simply does not know how to win.

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