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Packers walk tightrope between community, corporate feel

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As the NFL continues to grow, it’s presence in Green Bay becomes more unique.  The small-market, publicly-owned team has thrived on the field for much of the last two decades, even as the sport has exploded to new levels of revenue and sophistication.

But the balance between a community feel and a corporate attitude can be difficult to strike, as Pete Dougherty and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette write in an new article that explores the manner in which recent changes to the organization could affect its long-standing ties to the city and the people who live there.

“[I]n the arms race for revenue, the Packers must remain rooted in the small community that spawned the team and has kept it alive through sometimes dire financial times for the last 93 years,” Dougherty and Demovsky write.

An eventual disconnect between the team and the community could have dire consequences.  One unnamed source tells Dougherty and Demovsky that, if a local stadium referendum had failed in 2000, the Packers would have moved by now.  “If you don’t have the right players on the board and in management, there aren’t going to be an awful lot of people that will work to save [the team],” the source said.

That seems like a bit of a stretch.  With a season-ticket waiting list that extends for decades, the public in Green Bay will vote in favor of whatever needs to be done to help the team survive, and thrive, in the only hometown its ever known.

As to the tension between the community and the front office, which given the recent resignation of Jason Weid doesn’t have a Wisconsin native in one of the top two jobs with the organization, Dougherty and Demovsky point to the relationship between the team and its Hall of Fame, an independent body run by local cirizens.  When the team recently suggested taking over the Hall of Fame, its executive committee and board of directors were reportedly “outraged.”

“The franchise has to be careful it doesn’t get too big and think, ‘We don’t need people,’” an NFL source with ties to the Packers said.  “If they lose sight of that and think everything’s hunky-dory here and [think] ‘We don’t have to worry about that,’ that’s an enormous mistake.  [There’s been] a connection with this team and community literally from Day 1 in 1919, and there’s not another community-team relationship like this in any sport.  Not just the National Football League, in any sport.  That’s to be treasured and is part of the unique tradition, and has to be honored.”

But the reality is that folks in Green Bay ultimately want to see the team win.  Though there may be grumbling (especially when the team isn’t winning, which doesn’t happen all that often anymore), the fans ultimately will defer to the folks who run the team.  At some point there could be a grassroots effort to hire new management, but the fans never will turn their back on the franchise.

And for that reason the franchise will continue to compete, even as the dollars get bigger and the business concepts become more convoluted.

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87 Responses to “Packers walk tightrope between community, corporate feel”
  1. purpleguy says: Feb 19, 2012 12:51 PM

    Come on, Pack fans will support this team regardless. If Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson started wearing green and gold skirts with hoop earings, the local Wal-Mart men’s skirt department wouldn’t be able to keep em in stock.

  2. Wisconsin77 says: Feb 19, 2012 12:51 PM

    The team lost its soul when TT hired the guy who crafted the WMD in Iraq lie to orchestrate a smear campaign against one of his current players.

  3. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Feb 19, 2012 12:58 PM

    93 years in business with a long waiting list of customers and some hack is questioning their long-term stability?

  4. illiniftw says: Feb 19, 2012 1:11 PM

    I say move them to L.A.!! (As a Bears fan I can wish right?)

    Joking aside, i wonder if any other team could move to a smaller market that loves football (Nebraska or something) and build a strong fan base.

  5. thejuddstir says: Feb 19, 2012 1:59 PM

    I’m not being sarcastic of Packer fans but the article does touch on data that I have stated for 10 years. Any NFL team could have a waiting list of fans “forever”, but it is not the Sunday sold-out stadium that keeps an NFL team viable for the longterm. Why do you think the Packers are the only franchise allowed to sell “stock” to their fans? Packer fans can expect this “stock” sale to occur at more frequent intervals going forward as Green Bay doesn’t have the corporate base and all the revenue streams that asset creates. All NFL cities depend on multiple revenue streams, from corporate sponsors, LLC licensing, private suites to naming rights etc. etc. The city of Green Bay does not have the Fortune 500 companies or individual wealth to afford these things. The “fans in the stands” provide a smaller and smaller percentage of a team’s profits as every year goes bye, why do you think other NFL cities are building new stadiums with the focus being on suites, LLC. licensing etc……..? Think of it this way, if a team can take a 25×25 area (think suite) of a new stadium and sell it to a corporate sponsor for $2-3 million per year, you can’t squeeze enough true fans into that area at $100 per ticket for 8-10 games per year. Why do you think events like the Superbowl have become an experience that the average fan cannot afford? There was a reason why the Packers wanted to take control of the Packer HOF away from the citizens of Green Bay. While you don’t hear any public discussion about the possibility of the Packers ever moving, I would bet my last dollar that it is a topic of discussion at regular intervals. I’m not talking in the next few years or possibly even the next decade but to ignore the economics of the NFL is being very naive. The NFL is a business run by 31 individual owners and they are not going to kowtow to the emotional attachment that any city’s fans may have for their team. Red flags should go up anytime a “business” (the Packers were and still are an “identity” for the city of Green Bay,WI) and in the eyes of the NFL the Packers are a business, brings in “outsiders”. If local citizens were running the Packers, they would be crucified if they advocated moving the franchise but outsiders can only be “villifed” as they move with the team. I believe the article by the GB Press was really only touching the tip of the iceberg to put Packer fans on notice and there are no promises for “tomorrow.” I think it would be sinful to move such a storied franchise but the economics are making it all but inevitable.

  6. vots50 says: Feb 19, 2012 2:01 PM

    One problem, the Packers wouldn’t be able to move without a majority vote of approval from the stockholders. People like to make fun of the Packers fans for buying “worthless paper”, but there are real benefits to the stock. Which includes the voting power on a team move.

    So, this Green Bay Press-Gazette writer is assuming that the majority of stockholders would allow their favorite team to move.

    Also, there’s no benefit to moving. Because in the Packers’ charter, all profits would go to their local charity.

  7. angusosborne says: Feb 19, 2012 2:11 PM

    There are other community-team relationships in sport like Green Bay and the Packers, e.g.Futbol Club Barcelona.

  8. nyyjetsknicks says: Feb 19, 2012 2:15 PM

    illiniftw says:
    Feb 19, 2012 1:11 PM
    I say move them to L.A.!! (As a Bears fan I can wish right?)

    Joking aside, i wonder if any other team could move to a smaller market that loves football (Nebraska or something) and build a strong fan base.

     __________________

    Small markets suck. There’s a reason LA will get another team after already having 2 failures.

  9. knucklehead93 says: Feb 19, 2012 2:21 PM

    Interesting article. I had no idea the Packers were that close to moving to a different city. Wow.

  10. bigbluefan1 says: Feb 19, 2012 2:29 PM

    Please do not move the Giants love going to green bay in January
    Eli says its his kinda town
    And he does own it so he knows what he is talking about

    15-1 and Done

  11. shlort says: Feb 19, 2012 2:30 PM

    The Green Bay Packers will never leave Green Bay. The Packers are not owned by any one person. Their charter is written and legally binding to the fact that the Packers, if they cant afford to field a team, will be dissolved and their assets given to some VFW or something in Green Bay. The Packers will never play anywhere else. It is Green Bay or nowhere. Look it up if you dont believe it.

  12. realnflmaster says: Feb 19, 2012 2:33 PM

    A second class organization. We want stories about the JETS, not boring teams like this.

  13. thehatefulnerd says: Feb 19, 2012 2:34 PM

    The tone of the original article suggested to me that there are people inside the organization that are unhappy, but are unwilling to go on the record.

  14. damnyoulinelliot says: Feb 19, 2012 2:40 PM

    Yeah right. I don’t believe that whole “Packers were close to moving” junk. The Packers leaving Green Bay is as likely as the Statue of Liberty getting relocated to the west coast.

  15. cameran0804 says: Feb 19, 2012 2:42 PM

    @vots50 you packer fans make it easy for us 2 make fun of you!! You “BUY” a PHONY piece of paper & you REALLY think you have a say in the team relocation!! WOW you country bumkins are slower than I thought!!!

  16. rcali says: Feb 19, 2012 2:43 PM

    Last night I owned Boardwalk and Park Place. Then somebody decided the game was over and all I had was these dumb cards as proof.

  17. mountaindont says: Feb 19, 2012 2:43 PM

    The Packers arent going to move now nor at anytime. The NFL loves the small town appeal the Packers bring to the league. The Packers are able to do what almost any other NFL team can do in terms of earning revenue if not more.
    The Packers just recently asked their fans for money and the fans responded with $70 million dollars. This isnt a loan it`s basically free money for the Packers. Of course things like this are more easily done when the team is winning but the Packers survived a few decades of having bad teams but still continued with great fan support.
    The Packers moving will never happen in this generations lifetime

  18. rugdog100 says: Feb 19, 2012 2:51 PM

    Yawn…

  19. ampats says: Feb 19, 2012 2:52 PM

    Don’t worry realnflmaster,

    As sure as the sun comes up every morning is that Rex Ryan will say or do something stupid.

  20. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: Feb 19, 2012 2:55 PM

    they can’t move. it’s in their charter that the american legion hall would own them if green bay didn’t want them, and they can’t move. always making stuff up.

  21. thejuddstir says: Feb 19, 2012 3:02 PM

    shlort says:Feb 19, 2012 2:30 PM

    The Green Bay Packers will never leave Green Bay. The Packers are not owned by any one person. Their charter is written and legally binding to the fact that the Packers, if they cant afford to field a team, will be dissolved and their assets given to some VFW or something in Green Bay. The Packers will never play anywhere else. It is Green Bay or nowhere. Look it up if you dont believe it.
    ———————————————
    The physical asset(s) you speak of are of little concern or value to the “powers that be” but if you want to believe that this charter has any real significance to assuring GB an NFL team , you are sadly mistaken. The “Packers” real value is their “brand” which is an intellectual or non-physical asset that would be taken with them (unless a recent contract forbids it) to whatever major city they were to move to. Why do you think powers that be are more than willing to build a new stadium in L.A. without even having a team to move there??? Just as the Colts were to Baltimore and the old Browns were to Cleveland…..life goes on and they become the very successful “Indianapolis Colts” or the “Baltimore Ravens”…successful franchises in new cities. Neither Baltimore nor Indy gave a plug nickel for the “physical assets” or the contract (insert “charter”) that the team may have had with the city they moved from. Business Law 1 explains how contracts are formed and Business Law 2 explains how contracts are broken! I’m not interested in debating or especially “trash talking” as I think it would be sinful for the NFL to move the Packers and ignore their history. I’m also not a person who willingly or ignorantly ignores the “handwriting on the wall”. The NFL came periously close to moving the Packers in 2000 , had the state referendum not passed…….don’t think it can’t happen in the future. The authors of the article are much more tuned into what is going on behind closed doors than any Packer fan and I still submit that they are only intending to try and get Packer fans “engaged” to the economics of the NFL. As for that Packer stock and the voting rights it gives……..you better re-read the fine print.

  22. binkystevens says: Feb 19, 2012 3:05 PM

    Here’s the disconnect that New York media types (no offense, PFT) can’t seem to understand. While the Packers are located in the smallest NFL city, this “small market team” mentality could not be further from the truth. Packers have been one of the top 10 revenue producing teams for a long time, and compete with the Steelers and (unfortunately…) the Cowboys for largest fan base in the NFL. Reminds me of when Favre moved to New York with the Jets, and a reporter inquired “how are you adapting to the new market”, implying it was an upgrade of course, and Favre’s response was along the lines of it being a bit of a shock moving to a smaller market team.

    This franchise is extremely close with the local community and this will always continue. Fans would literally mortgage their house to keep the team in GB. They would literally be the last team to move cities – I can’t imagine a shareholder vote allowing it!

  23. foosball11 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:16 PM

    bigbluefan1 says:
    Feb 19, 2012 2:29 PM
    Please do not move the Giants love going to green bay in January
    Eli says its his kinda town
    And he does own it so he knows what he is talking about

    15-1 and Done

    ————————————————

    Please call back when you can count to 13…as in 13 time world champion Green Bay Packers

  24. thejuddstir says: Feb 19, 2012 3:16 PM

    rcali says:Feb 19, 2012 2:43 PM

    Last night I owned Boardwalk and Park Place. Then somebody decided the game was over and all I had was these dumb cards as proof.
    ——————————————-
    Love the sarcastic analogy “rcali” but unfortunately the diehard cheeseheads still won’t understand the message. They believe in their “stock” and their “charter” and that’s why they’re still holding onto their Enron stock.

  25. emperorzero says: Feb 19, 2012 3:23 PM

    Another thing to consider is the NFL does take it’s history seriously. Lambeau would never be allowed to be torn down or abandoned and the Packers wouldn’t be allowed to leave Green Bay. Say what you want, but it doesn’t look good for the league when a team like the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, Bears, Giants – teams with a deep history – consider moving.

  26. bsizemore68 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:23 PM

    Don’t be so sure that they can’t move to another state, if they run the team into the ground and file for bankruptcy then all bets are off, contracts won’t mean dilly dilly, the court can void every contract, you best hope that the money keeps coming in. I hope that never happens, remember, the courts don’t care dilly about the fans, they do care about the person who is a corporation, and that ain’t you the fan. Bill p.s. Money talks and fans suck, that is the way it is, perhaps if Mitt wins he will treat you like he did the car business, the giant sucking sound as the new LA team leaves Green Bay in the middle of the night, just like the colts left Baltimore.

  27. txbearmeat says: Feb 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    The NFL’s best organization. Hands down.

    Not only would the shareholders never allow a move, the NFL wouldn’t either. It would be PR suicide.

    That being said, the Packers do own a lot of land directly around Lambeau. There are plans to make it a year long vacation/resort for families.

    GB will be competing in league revenue for as long as pro football exists.

  28. bobhk says: Feb 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    @thejuddstir

    I believe you are right. At the end of the day NFL/teams are business more than they are a sentimental organizations (I believe it would be very bad for fans).
    US is an capitalistic economy. Many beloved brands have gone under/away. They don’t believe in a sentiment.

    The real question is can the Packers compete in a new fast moving economy (never mind how they did in the last 93 years). Do the packers have stadium naming rights? Do they have corporate sponsorships? I think the luxury suites at the new 49ers stadium have already been sold for millions to the ciscos and googles of the world. Can the public in GB do that?

    I’m not sure about the specifics of GB franchise, but broadly speaking people alone cannot support big business. There can only be but so many “stock” sales before people’s individual economies cannot afford it.

    What about the ticket prices? Fans of other cities are already complaining about rising costs of going to games. Can the Packers afford to keep the costs for fans down? It would effect their bottom line.

    I don’t think that the fans of GB can compete with Jerry Jones of the world.

  29. packernation90 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:40 PM

    I believe I speak for all Packer fans when I say, I would cut off my legs to keep the Packers in Green Bay. The Packers will never leave, we the fans will support them regardless of the circumstances.

  30. rodgers419 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:44 PM

    “the public in Green Bay will vote in favor of whatever needs to be done to help the team survive, and thrive, in the only hometown its ever known.”

    Unfortunately for the residents of Green Bay, the Packers management and the NFL are well aware of that.

  31. packernation90 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:47 PM

    Packer fans, please stop saying the stocks let us own the team. The purpose of the stock to most people is the symbolism that is the stock. It shows that we support our team, and at one time the stock truly did keep the team alive. That symbolism is the reason I was willing to drop $250 on one.

  32. contra74 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:48 PM

    Packer fans are blinded by the word “shareholder”.

    The “stocks” you bought do not offer you the same rights as real world shareholders.

    All you have is a receipt with a $25 handling fee and an imaginary high horse.

    Go ahead and pretend I’m not right by redirecting your attention to bashing the Vikings.

  33. thejuddstir says: Feb 19, 2012 3:59 PM

    emperorzero says:Feb 19, 2012 3:23 PM

    Another thing to consider is the NFL does take it’s history seriously. Lambeau would never be allowed to be torn down or abandoned and the Packers wouldn’t be allowed to leave Green Bay. Say what you want, but it doesn’t look good for the league when a team like the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, Bears, Giants – teams with a deep history – consider moving.
    —————————————-
    Yeah the NFL is still trying to recover from the Colts and Browns leaving……ignoring history can be devastating to a business.

  34. couchfandotcom says: Feb 19, 2012 4:00 PM

    There’s a reason that this business model did not catch on throughout the league…..

  35. nflinla says: Feb 19, 2012 4:03 PM

    Los Angeles Packers, has a ring to it !

  36. jimmysee says: Feb 19, 2012 4:06 PM

    bsizemore68 says:
    Feb 19, 2012 3:23 PM
    Don’t be so sure that they can’t move to another state, if they run the team into the ground and file for bankruptcy then all bets are off, contracts won’t mean dilly dilly, the court can void every contract, you best hope that the money keeps coming in. I hope that never happens, remember, the courts don’t care dilly about the fans, they do care about the person who is a corporation, and that ain’t you the fan. Bill p.s. Money talks and fans suck, that is the way it is, perhaps if Mitt wins he will treat you like he did the car business, the giant sucking sound as the new LA team leaves Green Bay in the middle of the night, just like the colts left Baltimore.

    ——————————————————-

    Yes! Yes! — also if a giant earthquake or typhoon, or maybe Godzilla(!) were to hit Dallas then, like, the Cowboys would be moved to, um, Tulsa.

    The Packers can’t move, genius. The Packers will never move. Local ownership cements the team in Green Bay. It will be the last franchise left when the NFL folds.

    THAT you can take to the bank.

  37. bobhk says: Feb 19, 2012 4:08 PM

    packernation90 says:
    Feb 19, 2012 3:40 PM
    I believe I speak for all Packer fans when I say, I would cut off my legs to keep the Packers in Green Bay. The Packers will never leave, we the fans will support them regardless of the circumstances.
    ————–
    First of all, I doubt that you are speaking for ALL packer fans. Secondly, how sad that you consider sports over your ability to take care of your loved ones. I’m sure there are others who think otherwise.

  38. scrapingthefloorioforstorios says: Feb 19, 2012 4:09 PM

    there’s just no debate here. if the packers were ever going to leave, they would have long ago. ain’t happenin, no matter how much you want to debate the possibility. anything is possible, but the packers just aren’t ever going to move, unless green bay gets wiped off the map, then they’d to to ashwaubenon, or maybe milwaukee.

  39. bigbluefan1 says: Feb 19, 2012 4:09 PM

    foosball11 says:
    Feb 19, 2012 3:16 PM
    bigbluefan1 says:
    Feb 19, 2012 2:29 PM
    Please do not move the Giants love going to green bay in January
    Eli says its his kinda town
    And he does own it so he knows what he is talking about

    15-1 and Done

    ————————————————

    Please call back when you can count to 13…as in 13 time world champion Green Bay Packers
    ___________________

    I was talking present not history but if you want to talk history why did your great coach you know the one that got his start in NY
    When he died he came back to NJ
    Guess he did not want to be buried under the frozen Tundra
    Also interesting to see how many of the best coaches all started with the Giants Lombardi
    Landry Bellachik
    Said once and will say it again Eli owns the packers dont be upset he has the pats and the cowboys as his bois as well

  40. lbpackfan says: Feb 19, 2012 4:13 PM

    contra74 –

    No, we are not “blinded” by the term shareholder. In fact, many of us joke around about it.

    It’s like owning an 8×10 of Stu Voigt or Anthony Carter…it’s like a piece of memorabilia…somewhat. Yes, you can argue there’s no monetary value to it…but nonetheless, it looks cool framed, matted and in my office on the wall.

    As far as redirecting attention to bashing the Vikes, that is too easy. So…I will sit here and wait for the next Packers Stock post on PFT and anxiously await you to let it be known to everyone how worthless the “receipt” we bought is.

    Let me ask you this, would you hand over $250+ to the Vikings for a “receipt”?

  41. stavreafavre says: Feb 19, 2012 4:15 PM

    The Packers and their fans everywhere owe a huge debt to Mr. Bob Harlan, who worked tirelessly to get the stadium issue passed in Green Bay and rendered all of this speculation moot for another 20 years or so. (Not to mention also hiring Ted Thompson to help allow the team to regain its greatness when it was on the brink of falling.)
    I will admit that I worry there will come a day when the Packers need to build a completely new, much larger stadium on a different site. Without Mr. Harlan or someone like him that will be a real problem. I hope that Packer World will find a way to get it accomplished. I believe that it will, somehow.

  42. vikescry1 says: Feb 19, 2012 4:46 PM

    To the jets fans don’t worry peyton’s not coming there so u will be able to cry for a few more years about your mouthy coach and your players who quit on the team. (See holmes) and bigblue giants, it’s funny your happy now? In the middle of the season you were spouting off on here about firing coughlin and running elijah out of town? That’s ok haters always hate. And the packers aren’t going anywhere, there isn’t another team like them in the league. So keep hating all u want.

  43. foosball11 says: Feb 19, 2012 4:48 PM

    I was talking present not history but if you want to talk history why did your great coach you know the one that got his start in NY
    When he died he came back to NJ
    Guess he did not want to be buried under the frozen Tundra
    Also interesting to see how many of the best coaches all started with the Giants Lombardi
    Landry Bellachik
    Said once and will say it again Eli owns the packers dont be upset he has the pats and the cowboys as his bois as well

    ————————————————–
    lets talk more history, the trophy is named after Lombardi for his accomplishments with the packers, not the giants,. dont worry though, with another SB win your franchise has cemented itself in the tier just below the 13 time world champions and the other great franchises.

  44. roastbeefsandwich says: Feb 19, 2012 5:03 PM

    A couple of the stock sales were because the Packers were on the verge of bankruptcy, and had to get some extra cash to stay afloat.

    Without the stadium renovation, team revenues would have struggled, and it would have been very hard to support the team while being competitive.

  45. dempsey63 says: Feb 19, 2012 5:40 PM

    packernation90 says: “I believe I speak for all Packer fans when I say, I would cut off my legs to keep the Packers in Green Bay.”

    * * * * * * * * * *

    As a Packers fan myself, packernation90 speaks the truth: I would also cut off his legs to keep the Packers in Green Bay.

  46. trapshoot says: Feb 19, 2012 5:53 PM

    Pack is quite fine exactly where they are right now and will be for many more years to come.

  47. imjinbrdgr says: Feb 19, 2012 6:22 PM

    God loves the Packers and he wants them in Green Bay. Why do think he told Reggie White to go play there.

  48. orcheon says: Feb 19, 2012 6:54 PM

    You do understand how shareholder voting rights work, right? The shareholders vote annually (yes, those “phony” pieces of paper actually do confer voting rights), and nobody can own more than 200,000 shares (which right now is less than 5% ownership).

    The voters decide annually on the board of directors, who (in this case) have no salary and can only make certain decisions that the voters decide they can make, such as hiring management (like the team President). Any other decisions (like moving the team) need voter approval. That is how a corporation operates.

    That being said, if the NFL said they were kicking the Packers out unless they have a standard ownership model, well, there’s nothing the Packers can do about that. But the chances of the NFL threatening to kick out one of their most historic and popular teams is about the same chance of them letting another team have an ownership model like Green Bay currently has.

  49. The Prophet says: Feb 19, 2012 6:57 PM

    I’m so tired of hearing Packer fans’ myths about the Packers competing wiht “large market” teams. That knucklhead is one of the first posts said Lambeau Field doesn’t have million dollar suites owned by corporations to compete. Lambeau has more suites than any team this side of Dallas! Practically all of the tickets in Lambeau are owned by businesses, as I know since the only way I can go to a game is knowing someone who gets tickets from a job. The Packers compete and suck a lot of money out of their fans, so save this “we can’t compete because we’re dumb hicks” schpiel. You can print your own money and make the county charge extra taxes just for Packers revenue. The Packers are a corporation just like any other, and is AS sleazy as any other sports team.

  50. jimmysee says: Feb 19, 2012 7:19 PM

    “Practically all of the tickets in Lambeau are owned by businesses, as I know since the only way I can go to a game is knowing someone who gets tickets from a job.”

    That’s almost true — in the case of the Packers, those businesses that control tickets are in many cases taverns that put together junkets for patrons.

    They have accumulated blocks of seats over the last 50 years or so.

    And were belly-aching over the PSAs they were asked to pay for their blocks of seats when the expansion was financed.

    The State of Wisconsin has supported that team through thick and thin for nearly 90 years.

    The Packers aren’t going anywhere.

  51. vots50 says: Feb 19, 2012 7:30 PM

    @cameran0804

    First of all, I’m not a Packers shareholder. I’m just presenting to you and everybody else, verifiable facts, that one can actually look up themselves.

    If somebody owns Packers stock, they’re invited to a shareholders meeting every summer. And during that meeting, they disclose the Packers’ financial reports and vote on anything that requires the approval of the stockholders. This includes the board of directors who operate the Packers, and, if need be, the relocation of the team.

  52. teal379 says: Feb 19, 2012 8:05 PM

    Gotta love people cracking on Packer fans for owning 250 dollar stock, while they sit there with 1000 dollars worth of jerseys in the closet. All with names on the back that haven’t ever won a Super Bowl or are even with the team longer than 1 contract.

  53. countyk66ers says: Feb 19, 2012 8:08 PM

    Some day in the future the NFL will no longer exist but the Green Bay Packers will.

  54. beedubyatoo says: Feb 19, 2012 8:29 PM

    thejuddstir says:
    Feb 19, 2012 1:59 PM
    I’m not being sarcastic of Packer fans but the article does touch on data that I have stated for 10 years. Any NFL team could have a waiting list of fans “forever”, but it is not the Sunday sold-out stadium that keeps an NFL team viable for the longterm. Why do you think the Packers are the only franchise allowed to sell “stock” to their fans? Packer fans can expect this “stock” sale to occur at more frequent intervals going forward as Green Bay doesn’t have the corporate base and all the revenue streams that asset creates. …
    ——————————–
    Ad nauseum… And all total BS.

    The only reason anyh NFL team survives is because of the TV millions. Murphy
    is forward thinking and the Packers have bought the land around the stadium to give the fans a total Packer experience withshopping, theater,. hotels, etc., all owned by the Packers’ organization. They’ll be in the NFL long after the NY fans dump the Jets.

  55. mountaindont says: Feb 19, 2012 10:13 PM

    Lambeau was voted #1 by Sports Illustrated as the best game day experience in the NFL..
    ESPN recently ranked the Packers as the best franchise in all of sports.
    Corporationw recognize the value of advertising with the Packers. This is yet another reason why the Packers will stay in Green Bay

  56. Little Earthquake says: Feb 19, 2012 10:26 PM

    contra74 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:48 PM

    Packer fans are blinded by the word “shareholder”.

    The “stocks” you bought do not offer you the same rights as real world shareholders.

    All you have is a receipt with a $25 handling fee and an imaginary high horse.

    Go ahead and pretend I’m not right by redirecting your attention to bashing the Vikings.

    ____

    You’re joking, right? You make this too easy.

    The Vikings organization can’t even put two bricks together right now, after repeated attempts to fleece taxpayers, many of whom don’t give a crap about the Vikings.

    The Packers’ stock is indeed a voluntary donation, by fans who want the team around. They’re willing to fork over some money to keep the team and its stadium competitive. Maybe a few are “blinded” by the whole “team owner” thing, but most know that they will never see that money again – except possibly in the form of a 14th championship.

    Do you see the difference now?

  57. golonger says: Feb 19, 2012 10:34 PM

    shlort – sorry, but you are totally wrong….the Packers can move just as any NFL team can..

  58. golonger says: Feb 19, 2012 10:35 PM

    contra74, you are totally correct and these bumbling, idiot GB fans are totally misguided and clueless, sad!

  59. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 12:03 AM

    golonger says:
    Feb 19, 2012 10:34 PM
    shlort – sorry, but you are totally wrong….the Packers can move just as any NFL team can..

    _______________________________

    First, go find out what it would take to get the Packers out of GB. Second, read this. The Packers are a publicly owned team. They dont have a Jerry Jones type running things. The Packers would wither and die before any other got to city welcome them. It would take a vote by shareholders to allow the team to be sold. Then, if someone came up with the Billion dollars to purchase the Packers, they could move them wherever they wanted. The reality is, the Packers would just cease to exist, their assets would be sold off, creditors paid and the remainder goes to the GBP Foundation, a charity. All the profits would then stay in Green Bay and Wisconsin. The name would stay in Green Bay and no one else could use it. Now, to all you people who think the Packers can move, show me some proof that someone has the authority to move them out of Green Bay. Lots of people with opinions around these days, yet not can prove anything.

  60. bsizemore68 says: Feb 20, 2012 12:16 AM

    Some of you guys are still living in a bubble, the chance of Green Bay moving is slim, however your comments are wishful thinking, all this talk about stock don’t mean crap, you have no rights if this team goes bankrupt, get over it, if the league thank they can make money on GB moving, the vans will be there in a New York second, sleep tight and pray that your team will not move. Bill

  61. johnnyb14z3 says: Feb 20, 2012 12:50 AM

    On a side note:

    There is nothing worse than reading the malarkey spewed from the mouths of all the haters.

    #hatersgonnahate

  62. vikingdoode says: Feb 20, 2012 12:51 AM

    Packers is our Red headed drunken uncle….Hes family so dont bad mouth him…we only get too……There there Billy…here is your Blatz now go in the corner and watch the highlights of the ice bowl….See this is how we handle our dim whitted Uncle…

  63. contra74 says: Feb 20, 2012 3:35 AM

    Little Earthquake says:
    Feb 19, 2012 10:26 PM
    contra74 says: Feb 19, 2012 3:48 PM

    Packer fans are blinded by the word “shareholder”.

    The “stocks” you bought do not offer you the same rights as real world shareholders.

    All you have is a receipt with a $25 handling fee and an imaginary high horse.

    Go ahead and pretend I’m not right by redirecting your attention to bashing the Vikings.

    ____

    You’re joking, right? You make this too easy.

    The Vikings organization can’t even put two bricks together right now, after repeated attempts to fleece taxpayers, many of whom don’t give a crap about the Vikings.

    The Packers’ stock is indeed a voluntary donation, by fans who want the team around. They’re willing to fork over some money to keep the team and its stadium competitive. Maybe a few are “blinded” by the whole “team owner” thing, but most know that they will never see that money again – except possibly in the form of a 14th championship.

    Do you see the difference now?
    ——
    So now you own the Lombardi too? When’s it making it’s rounds into your living room? This delusion can’t get spun any deeper!

  64. leatherface2012 says: Feb 20, 2012 7:49 AM

    expand the stadium to 750,000 seats. you get rid of the waiting list immediately, but then you would have the games locally blacked out

  65. iplaybad says: Feb 20, 2012 8:14 AM

    The Packers are not held privately, which is why they’re not “like any other NFL team.” I know you don’t think the rules governing the Packers means anything; but, you’d be the one who’s mistaken. You should read before you talk about stuff you don’t know.

  66. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 9:32 AM

    contra74, you are totally mininformed and reading way too far into things. I dont own “stock”, but I am sure I know people who bought it. If you care to take the time to find out what it is about, you’ll find that there are certain perks that go along with owning the stuff. Nothing major though. No stock owner gets a say in who gets drafted. The stock owner doesnt get to walk into the Lambeau Field executive offices or locker rooms. People who bought the stock know that already, but apparently you do not. The stock owner does get invited to the annual shareholders meeting. They get to vote on certain things pertaining to the operation of the Green Bay Packers. One thing they would be allowed to vote on is the sale, and eventual moving of the Packers from Green Bay. Think they will vote yes?

  67. cobaltdriver says: Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM

    Gotta love people cracking on Packer fans for owning 250 dollar stock, while they sit there with 1000 dollars worth of jerseys in the closet. All with names on the back that haven’t ever won a Super Bowl or are even with the team longer than 1 contract.

    You mean like all the big mouth sore loser Cryking fans that have to pipe in everytime the words Green Bay, Packers, or Wisconsin is mentioned? Those same idiots who took out a mortgage on their double wide to buy a Brett Favre jersey? I know cracks me up.

  68. cobaltdriver says: Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM

    Gotta love people cracking on Packer fans for owning 250 dollar stock, while they sit there with 1000 dollars worth of jerseys in the closet. All with names on the back that haven’t ever won a Super Bowl or are even with the team longer than 1 contract.

    You mean like all the big mouth sore loser Cryking fans that have to pipe in everytime the words Green Bay, Packers, or Wisconsin is mentioned? Those same idiots who took out a mortgage on their double wide to buy a Brett Favre jersey? I know cracks me up.

  69. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 10:40 AM

    shlort, i suggest YOU go read a little…they are still run like a private entity (i.e. business)..if thes business wants to move, it can move, sorry!

  70. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 10:44 AM

    cobaltdriver, of course, nit wits like you miss the point. If I own a $1,000 worth of jerseys, at least they are just that..jerseys. They aren’t worthless pieces of paper touted as something they really aren’t and sold based on guised meanings and veiled references. You Packer fans need to get a grip. The stock is phoney baloney…period. The fact that you think otherwise shows how plain dumb and naive Packer fans are…sad!!!

  71. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM

    “The stock owner does get invited to the annual shareholders meeting. They get to vote on certain things pertaining to the operation of the Green Bay Packers. One thing they would be allowed to vote on is the sale, and eventual moving of the Packers from Green Bay. ”

    Sorry, this is totally incorrect. Moving the “business” is NOT one of the things you can vote on….but, IF it was and it was up to you to vote to move OR it goes out of business, what do you think the outcome would be???

  72. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 12:48 PM

    golonger, your blathering shows how ignorant to the facts you really are. You are posting in response trying to convince me you are right when you are wrong. You’d have better luck trying to convince me that the sky is aactually orange. There is a charter, it is written clearly as to what happens to the Green Bay Packers in any given circumstance. Publicly owned business, period. You need to go look up the information if you dont believe what I say. I have been a Packer fan for 40+ years and know quite a bit about them. You are a fan of some other team and obviously have no concept of how the Packers are run. Either go read it, or shut up.

  73. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM

    shlort – sorry, you are the typical blind GB Packer fool. First of all, are you REALLY going to try and believe that the “stock-holder” rights mean anything?…they mean essentially nothing, and everyone who has a clue knows it. If Apple wanted to move, would the shareholders have any say? NO…….well, Packer “share-holders” haven’t the rights even Apple shareholders have…..sorry….but it is the FACT. Even TRUE shareholders don’t have a lot of say…..Packer “shareholders” have even less…….and yes, I have read the charter!!!

  74. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 1:02 PM

    golonger, You actually think the Board of Directors (voted in by the shareholders, BTW), can vote in private to move the Packers? That sounds like what you actually believe. That is why I want you to go look up how they operate there in Green Bay. Your conclusion would be like a Corporations Board of Directors selling a business out from under its legal owner. Think that is actually possible? Think you could get on the Board of Directors for some Donald Trump owned business and sell it without his say so because you got the Board to a majority vote to do it even though you have no ownership rights to the business? You cant be that stupid, can you?

  75. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 1:20 PM

    “Your conclusion would be like a Corporations Board of Directors selling a business out from under its legal owner.”
    Nope, see this is where you are WRONG…there are REAL shareholders, only 2.who own about 200,000 shares…….the “shares” you are referring to have NO ownership……..if these two people want to move, there is nothing YOU or any of the other fake owners can do….sorry……..In your example, Trump IS the owner….YOU are not.again, you are clueless and WRONG. I guess ignorance is bliss!

  76. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 1:30 PM

    shlort- you continue to prove my points and unfortunately, are too stupid to even know it. When is this fact going to sink into that thick skull…….YOU..ARE…NOT… A..TRUE…OWNER…….sorry!

  77. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 2:38 PM

    golonger , Like I said, I do not own stock in the Packers. Never bought a share, never would. Now, prove to me I am wrong. You have presented nothing to back up how you are right. GO LOOK AT THE CHARTER YOU EFFING IDIOT! You are so effen dumb that you think you are smart. They Cannot be moved without being sold first. In order to be sold, there has to be a vote. If sold, the name GREEN BAY PACKERS belongs to the GBP Foundation (A charity) The Board of directors does NOT.. I repeat DOES NOT have the power to sell the team or move the team, PERIOD. Get it? What the hell is so hard for you to understand? You have no Idea what the Packers are all about. You are talking like it is any business anywhere. They are not. Stop arguing about it if you cant get it, you sound like a complete idiot because you have no actual knowledge of the Packers organization. Why you wont go look up the charter is beyond me. You refuse to go look, yet you want to tell me it says something other than it does. GO LOOK IT UP before you post another rebuttal.

  78. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 4:22 PM

    shlort aka moron…again, you just do not get the fact that the stock the Packers are selling are paper only stock…..they DO NOT….i repeat….DO NOT constitute ownership in the franchise….none…period. THAT IS FACT. If you disagree, I suggest you call the Packers office and ask them what level of ownership you get….and they will tell you NONE. Just because they give you an “arbitrary voting privilege” when you buy the “stock” is meaningless. Like I said, it is DOCUMENTED FACT that there are really only 2 TRUE SHAREHOLDERS……I have read the legal briefing. It is in black and white….and the organization will not comment on who these 2 owners are. THIS IS FACT MORON.

    You need to stop arguing like it is somehow different than other businesses….it is NOT….go talk to an attorney and learn something!!!There are certain business parameters that occur REGARDLESS dumba$$. Yes the Board cannot do anything on their own…but there is only 2 true individuals that have any say…2..no more…..not these other fake owners……fake owners do not all of a sudden have say in the matter.it CANNOT happen legally….sorry…go get an education and learn something idiot!

  79. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 4:28 PM

    …oh, and I have read the charter because I OWN a copy…….and you are DEAD wrong……on all counts…sorry!

  80. axespray says: Feb 20, 2012 6:26 PM

    cynical smug people wouldn’t understand why a small town would spend $250 on a “worthless” stock in a NFL team…. yet these people are probably the same ones spending a ton of cash on “sleeping” pills and pills for their “ADHD” afflicted kids.

  81. shlort says: Feb 20, 2012 8:39 PM

    golonger, Like I have said repeatedly, I dont own stock. The charter is clear. The Packers must be sold to be moved. The sale has to be approved by the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors answers to the people who elect them to the board. The BoD appoints/hires the Executive Committee with the President the only one paid. So, tell me.. Who has the authority to sell a publicly held team? Is it someone not on either board? Is it Rodger Goodell? Ted Thompson? Mark Murphy? After all, without the sale of the Green Bay Packers, they can’t be moved(as per the Charter). So, who is going to put them up for sale? Just copy and paste the part of the Charter that explains how the Packers, along with their name, can be moved out of Green Bay. You obviously know how to copy and paste, so dont tell me you cant. The only reason you cannot produce this information is because what you say cannot happen as you say it can. It can, however, happen how I say. What are the odds it ever happens? Like I said. If GB cant afford it, they are all done. No more Packers anywhere in the country. 2 Owners? haha. Where’d you hear that? That must be the best kept secret on the planet. Show me proof, because I am not going to take your word for it. You have zero of my respect acting like you know everything about everything, yet absolutely refusing to back up what you say with anything of substance. So far you have just been aa Troll about the article and what it means. Facts, my fine feathered friend, Facts.

  82. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 9:01 PM

    The Packers must be sold to be moved – sorry, the Charter does NOT say this!Please show me WHERE in the Charter it says this!!!!!

    You say I haven’t proved anything…what have YOU proved….all you say is…it’s in the Charter..it’s in the Charter…..it is NOT in the Charter.

    I cannot possibly show something that isn’t there….LOL

  83. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 9:02 PM

    axespray- smug has nothing to do with it….stupidity is the key word.

  84. golonger says: Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM

    “The Board of Directors answers to the people who elect them to the board”. Like I have said repeatedly. Yes, THIS IS TRUE….they answer to the true OWNERS of the business….the people buying the $250 stock are NOT included, sorry….if you knew anything about corporations, you might realize you cannot have Boards work for people that aren’t the true owners……the people buying these pieces of toilet paper are NOT owners…sorry!

  85. duece5 says: Feb 24, 2012 2:39 PM

    foosball11 says:Feb 19, 2012 4:48 PM

    I was talking present not history but if you want to talk history why did your great coach you know the one that got his start in NY
    When he died he came back to NJ
    Guess he did not want to be buried under the frozen Tundra
    Also interesting to see how many of the best coaches all started with the Giants Lombardi
    Landry Bellachik
    Said once and will say it again Eli owns the packers dont be upset he has the pats and the cowboys as his bois as well

    ————————————————–
    lets talk more history, the trophy is named after Lombardi for his accomplishments with the packers, not the giants,. dont worry though, with another SB win your franchise has cemented itself in the tier just below the 13 time world champions and the other great franchises.

    duece5 says:

    Yes, those 7 or 8 “Championships” in the 30s and 40s, when there were like 4 teams.

    Slow down dude, you’ve won 2 supes in modern football…..2 in the last 44 years…..not really a case for domination by ANY stretch……did they use real pigs back then….no helmets when they defeated the Bismarck Buffaloes??

  86. justaintrightisit says: Feb 24, 2012 5:44 PM

    And the media has again done a bang up job creating a story where there is none. At a time of year where the interest in sports is at it’s lowest because of the lack of interest in basketball the media has written a story on one of the most popular teams in sports to generate web hits. I read the article, yea so what I am bored this time of year and will read football related stories, but to argue back and forth over something that none of us will see happen in our lifetime is just silly in my mind.

  87. johnnyb216 says: Feb 26, 2012 5:19 PM

    Yes, I’ve had a run in with golonger before. He is a blathering idiot that seems to have a high level of concern for something he has no clue about. Get a job, golonger. Of course I’m sure any chances of that are dashed very early on in the interview process (meaning it doesn’t take long to find out your an idiot LOL).

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