Comments on: Rams willing to trade down

By: dawglbfan

dawglbfan — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:55:18 +0000

There is a great chance for him to fall to us at 4. Have you ever heard of a little thing called free agency, Peyton Manning or Ryan Flynn? I’m betting the Redskins and Miami end up going that route.
Now who is going to move up and get him before our fourth pick?

By: shadylamp

shadylamp — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:06:38 +0000

I pretty sure the source of this story came from John Madden.

By: shadylamp

shadylamp — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:02:59 +0000

You do all realize that Heckert uses his own trade value matrix that he devised himself, right? I’m willing to bet my house that giving up a first round pick to move up two slots is not anywhere on that matrix chart. Knowing that, the team that will make a strong move will be the redskins.

By: kwjsb

kwjsb — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:08:33 +0000

When draft day comes the talent at the top 10 came be very tight for player value on a teams board. The only thing that should be considered when you are as desperate for talent as the Browns is who is your highest ranked player? If a QB is not the highest ranked player then you do not take him or move up to get him. If you have Claiborne, Coples, Richardson or Blackmon rated higher, thats the way you need to go. Now with the 22nd pick you can look more towards position with that pick because at that point many players will be in the same place on your boards. To pick or trade up for RGIII if he is not your highest rated player is more of the same for Cleveland. Lets remember having B.E. and KWII made Derick Anderson a pro bowler, Colt had issues but there are way too many holes right now to make a reach. Heck give him back half the drops and his completion percentage rises to 61%, which is the same level as a guy named Eli.

By: lbcoach34

lbcoach34 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:42:48 +0000

CLE has the leverage – I think STL stating that they’e “already” entertaining offers, etc. to trade out is only directed at CLE – who really holds the most value with 2 1st rounders including #4…that said – if they want RG3 they’re the only team STL wants to deal with – any other trade would not be valuable enough – especially since I think Kalil is the guy they want.

By: stillers6

stillers6 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:42:00 +0000

One of these teams is going to take a flyer on Flynn before the draft, that will sort out a lot of this.

By: jm91rs

jm91rs — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:35:47 +0000

linvillegorge says: Feb 24, 2012 2:20 AM

According to the draft value chart (that I think is outdated, but most all teams still use as a reference guide)
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This is a good point to make, doesn’t it seem like the value of picks should be changed now that there is a rookie scale? This chart was made before the rookie contracts exploded in $$, but for awhile the high picks weren’t worth much because no one wanted to pay those contracts. I have to think that the higher picks are now worth much more than ever before.

By: realitypolice

realitypolice — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:48:28 +0000

rwmilli says:
Feb 24, 2012 12:08 AM
I wouldn’t trade up if I were them, waste of time ! You hold the fourth pick and the teams in front aren’t in the market for a QB, stay put and keep your higher and lower first round picks!
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Umm…..no the teams in front of the Browns don’t need a QB. But lots of the teams behind them do.

So if they don’t trade up, you see, one of those other teams will.

That’s how that works.

By: emmac13

emmac13 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:43:10 +0000

Clevelands two first round picks will allow the Rams to get two key players. Cleveland can get a solid future QB with 2nd pick. The Skins are in NFC with the Rams. So why help them unless they do a Ditka. The Browns just got to hope Flynn goes to Miami. The Skins will fight with Cards for Manning.

By: gmen1987

gmen1987 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:41:24 +0000

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Goobs 2,

If the Browns don’t make a move, then the Deadskins or Dolphins could move up and get RG III.

By: gmen1987

gmen1987 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:39:23 +0000

nobisoreal says:
Feb 23, 2012 11:16 PM
Rams or Vikings aren’t going to take a qb… Why would they trade up again?

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Goobs,

Learn to read. Flourio was talking about Cleveland moving up, not the Rams or Vikqueens.

By: thatdudewiththemarauder

thatdudewiththemarauder — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:29:33 +0000

Why are they still talking about this? Hopefully RG3 kills at the combine and pro day. The RAMS will have a decision to make then. If they trade Sam to the(fingers crossed) REDSKINS, they would save 28m. Go RG3! HTTR!!

By: thefiesty1

thefiesty1 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:23:10 +0000

Trade up Cleveland and guarantee you get Blackmon and then keep as many picks as they can. They don’t need a QB. They already have one if they’d get him some help.

By: mc9399

mc9399 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:12:58 +0000

because the browns have 2 1st rounders and could use next years aswell dummy

By: weneedlinemen42

weneedlinemen42 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:53:06 +0000

@comatrip1

I agree with you that the Browns don’t have to include #22 pick in order to win any auction.

However, whilst the trade chart devalues next year’s picks the Browns’s GM should be thinking long term.

If the Browns don’t feel confident that they will finish lower than #22 in the order next year (and there is no one they want who will be picked around that area in this year’s draft) then they will be better of trading away the 22nd, and holding on to next year’s first and whatever other picks that would have made up the value of the 22nd.

The point is the Browns have got more to trade. What they’ve got to trade is more valuable on a pick by pick basis than any of their potential rivals for RGIII (unless the Rams or Vikings surprise everyone). Furthermore, they’ve also got more flexibility than anyone in how to construct that trade package.

Even if they hadn’t rogered Atlanta they would be in pole position to trade up to the two spot. The Jones trade just makes their position that much stronger.

By: pibhighfootballrules

pibhighfootballrules — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:45:53 +0000

Skins getting rg3..browns have not one playmaker no rb no wr no o-line nothing..they have 2 number 1 picks..9 total picks..get a qb next year..plus why have yalent go to the browns with childress.oh forgot no defense

By: purplecrowe

purplecrowe — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:57:04 +0000

Love all the Rams trade talk. Welcome to Minnesota Mr. Kalil! Solves the left tackle position for the next decade. Now the Vikes are only a QB, a healthy AP, 2-3 WR’s, a couple gaurds and a center, 2 defensive lineman, 3 linebackers, 2 corners, 2 safeties, and a new coaching staff away from contending for the division again…

By: comatrip1

comatrip1 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:25:57 +0000

I just don’t understand the need to give up #22. 4 and 37 is still better than Washington’s 6 and 39 or Maimi’s 8/9 and 41/42 or whatever it is they have. Why is #22 even being considered? Washington is willing to give their 6, 39, and next year’s #1? Oh, well Cleveland’s 4, 37, and next year’s #1 is still better. #22 should be untouchable in my opinion.

By: httr73

httr73 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:19:11 +0000

What would it cost Washington to outbid the Browns? This years first, second AND next years first?

By: sportsmeccabi

sportsmeccabi — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:03:41 +0000

I’d stay at that pick and draft Kalil. They’re going to run a serious risk of Bradford flopping if they allow Jason Smith and Rodger Saffold at their current spots. The Vikings will surely take Kalil, so if they trade down, he will not be available.

By: weneedlinemen42

weneedlinemen42 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:56:24 +0000

@Soulman45

“That is a steal Julo Jones for the 1st or 2nd best QB in the draft that is a great move.”

It’s better than that. They’ve exchanged Julio Jones and the number 4 pick this year for:

Pole position to select RGIII (Luck or two first rounders, including the 4th overall pick), plus Phil Taylor, Greg Little and Owen Marecic and an extra 4th rounder in the upcoming draft.

Taylor turned out to be a quality starter. Little actually caught more passes than Jones and went for 700 yards.

The Browns got an incredible deal. Even if they inexplicably decide to give up a shot at drafting an elite QB they can draft either the first or second ranked WR this year (filling the position that Jones would have taken on their roster) and still have another first round pick to spend on another position.

I am a Redskins fan, I’d love us to land RGIII but the Browns have to be interested as well and they are going to win any auction for the 2-spot. They’ve got more picks and more valuable picks.

By: geniusesq

geniusesq — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:50:31 +0000

I have a feeling Andrew Luck will be a B U S T

And, not of the Canton variety.

Just way too much hype

By: gcsuk

gcsuk — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:34:36 +0000

Soulman45 says:
Feb 23, 2012 11:21 PM
Frist to say
That is a steal Julo Jones for the 1st or 2nd best QB in the draft that is a great move.
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Huh?

By: pcoisma

pcoisma — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:28:42 +0000

You know as a Ram fan I can not leave this alone. One year as a O-Coordinator he leaves the team. WTF? is this the good olde boy network or what?

By: jshawaii22

jshawaii22 — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:14:24 +0000

If the Brown’s sign Flynn, they won’t need to trade up. Wow, Holmy get’s a QB and two first round picks… I smell playoffs!

Then it’s either the Redskins, Dolphins or Seahawks.. but would the rams take a trade from Seattle? —

By: katrinasafterbirth

katrinasafterbirth — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:09:06 +0000

Does it matter? They have Childress on their side, this team is screwed more than a casual acquaintance of Big Bens.

By: rectumdamnnearkilledem

rectumdamnnearkilledem — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:52:49 +0000

I am not even a Rams fan, but find myself rooting for them on occasion. They are in a great spot to make their team better. This could be a great turning point for their franchise.

By: bobleblah

bobleblah — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:51:33 +0000

If the Browns don’t trade up to get RGIII then another team will.

By: madenatewell

madenatewell — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:29:47 +0000

This is comical, the last post was Browns to make play for Matt Flynn, now it’s RgIII, make up your damn minds…lol

By: beavertonsteve

beavertonsteve — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:26:02 +0000

As a Rams fan I actually am not concerned if they move down further than #4. Even with the Redskins pick there’s a decent chance at Blackmon. Trading with someone other than Cleveland could easily yield two firsts and a second and this team needs talent at a lot of positions.