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Interesting tale of the tape between Luck, Newton

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Any questions about Andrew Luck’s athleticism should have been erased when he hauled in a one-handed pass along the sidelines during the 2011 season.

But the underwear Olympics have revealed another level to Luck’s physical abilities.  His numbers in running and jumping drills measure up favorably with last year’s first overall pick, Cam Newton, as demonstrated by a graphic displayed moments ago on NFL Network by Rich Eisen and Mike Mayock.

As MDS pointed out earlier in the day, each guy ran the 40-yard dash in 4.59 seconds.  That matches Newton’s best time from 2011.  On Sunday, Luck sprang 36 inches vertically — that’s one inch higher than Newton 52 weeks ago.  In the broad jump, Luck covered 124 inches.  Newton flew for 126.

From a stature standpoint, Luck isn’t all that much smaller.  He’s six-four to Newton’s six-five, and Luck weighs 234 pounds.  Newton tipped the scales at 248.

Of course, Robert Griffin III may be more athletic than either of them.  Which could compel the Colts to take a much closer look at whether Luck is the right choice with the first overall pick.

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  1. sandman34rt says: Feb 26, 2012 12:22 PM

    This is where the NFL loses me. Who cares about a QB’s 40 time? It’s beyond stupid

    What was Peyton Manning’s 40 time
    Tom Brady’s
    Eli Mannings
    Rothlishotdogs’s
    Aaron Rodgers?

    Oh wow vertical leap too? Give me a break already.

  2. dionoil says: Feb 26, 2012 12:22 PM

    If the Colts get the production that the Panthers got out of Newton, they’d take it in a heartbeat.

  3. hooterdawg says: Feb 26, 2012 12:25 PM

    It has been well reported that many if not most teams have their draft boards assembled prior to the combine. Nothing is going to compel the Colts to change their selection barring a serious injury – which could happen at said Combine.

  4. turk2875 says: Feb 26, 2012 12:29 PM

    The Colts can’t afford to screw this up. So with that being said they have to go with the safest pick here, Andrew Luck. Although RG3 may have more upside to him. Damn this really is a hard decision.

  5. Lev says: Feb 26, 2012 12:29 PM

    As much as I love the combine, I’ve come to realize how little the numbers mean. If great numbers equaled great QBs, then Terrell Pryor would be a starter somewhere. Granted, he has character issues, but Cam was supposed to as well. That being said I wish Mr. Luck the best, no matter where he lands :)

  6. beavertonsteve says: Feb 26, 2012 12:33 PM

    If you had your choice between Tom Brady and some mutated version of Tom Brady that also could run a 4.4 40 to go with a 45 inch vertical leap I think you might just pick the second, so yeah… athleticism matters nowadays.

  7. ken0west says: Feb 26, 2012 12:33 PM

    Everyone knows that the Colts made up their mind based on Lucks 2010/2011 game tape. Colts will not be “compelled” to take RG3 no matter what. To suggest otherwise is misleading and pointless. Is the media doing this so they can claim the the Colts “almost took” RG3, when in reality its not even close.

  8. wickerphil says: Feb 26, 2012 12:35 PM

    “This is where the NFL loses me. Who cares about a QB’s 40 time? It’s beyond stupid”

    No it isn’t. Put it this way … Matt Leinart didn’t even train for the 40 yard dash, and when his pro-day came, he was so out of shape that he wore a big shirt that he refused to take off because he didn’t want anyone to see his lack of conditioning. And his USC teammate, LenDale White, was so out of shape that he injured himself on an exercise machine at the combine. What are Leinart and White doing today? Exactly.

    If players don’t take the combine process seriously, then that is a very bad sign. Just like it was when JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf both showed up at the combine noticeably overweight.

    Also, with all things being equal, a QB with elite athleticism – as Luck and RG3 possess – will take you further than an average athlete at the position. Put it this way … Eli Manning is a better athlete than his brother. Peyton is smarter and more skilled, but Eli is more mobile, has a stronger arm, and is MUCH better at making plays when pressured, and at throwing downfield when rolling out of the pocket. So, the smarter, more skilled QB: better numbers and more consistent during the regular season, but a 9-10 playoff record. The more athletic QB: an 8-1 playoff record. Super Bowl wins: 2-1. Ben Roethlisberger: more of the same. He is a better athlete than Manning, makes more “athletic” plays when things break down, and has more Super Bowl wins than Manning will ever get as a result.

    I wish you folks would quit pretending as if NFL QBs are college professors or something. The NFL is a sport, and QBs are athletes – jocks – just like everybody else.

  9. delmonte55 says: Feb 26, 2012 12:37 PM

    Ok the “underwear Olympics” line was fine the first time….but let’s retire it.

  10. wickerphil says: Feb 26, 2012 12:38 PM

    Lev:

    You are being ridiculous. Terrelle Pryor was a rookie last year that the Raiders picked up in the supplemental draft, and who sat behind Jason Campbell (who would have taken them to the playoffs had he not gotten hurt) and Carson Palmer. Pryor didn’t even get a chance to compete for the job because he was ineligible for the first 6 games.

    For goodness sakes, Jake Locker didn’t play last year either, and Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for 4 years. Give Pryor a couple more years and a chance to get on the field before declaring him a bust, ok?

  11. dryzzt23 says: Feb 26, 2012 12:43 PM

    The Colts were in this situation before with Manning v Leaf.

    Now its Luck v RG3

    Luck = Pro style QB
    RG3 = spread style QB

    Luck is the safer of the two and the Colts would be stupid to take RG3 over Luck

  12. tachyeon says: Feb 26, 2012 12:56 PM

    LOL Rg3 can run any styl. If you have a O line like Brady stand back and pick the defense apart. If you have a O line like Seattle your QB will need to run. If Luck is so much better dryzzt03 why does he not have the Heisman? RG3 it would be an insult for you to go to the Colts pull and Elway and pass them by let them have luck. All the minority]s on the Colts should request trades let them draft dryzzt23 with luck change your helmets to white sheets.

  13. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Feb 26, 2012 1:01 PM

    cam>andrew luck<rg3

  14. 49ersgiants4life says: Feb 26, 2012 1:05 PM

    The reason lucks athleticism matters is because people say cam newton has a higher upside because he is more athletic and faster but luck just proved he is just as athletic and fast as newton

  15. eaglesnoles05 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:08 PM

    Andrew Luck brought up in pro style offense by the 2011 rookie coach of the year in the NFL is the measure that you won’t find at the combine that makes me take Luck if I have the choice between Luck and Grif III.

  16. linvillegorge says: Feb 26, 2012 1:09 PM

    The difference that Cam has is that he has great vision when running and he’s remarkably agile for a guy his size. You don’t see many guys his size making DBs just plain miss and look foolish. As a Panthers’ fan, I don’t really worry about Cam running. He rarely takes a hit when he’s scrambling. Now I do hold my breath when he’s laying out around the goal line though. I wish he’d chill with that. He took some big hits in that area last year.

  17. eaglesnoles05 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:10 PM

    Not to mention, it’s not like Luck is Drew Bledsoe out there. Dude can move too.

  18. realfootballfan says: Feb 26, 2012 1:32 PM

    wickerphil says: Feb 26, 2012 12:35

    No it isn’t. Put it this way … Matt Leinart didn’t even train for the 40 yard dash, and when his pro-day came, he was so out of shape that he wore a big shirt that he refused to take off because he didn’t want anyone to see his lack of conditioning. And his USC teammate, LenDale White, was so out of shape that he injured himself on an exercise machine at the combine. What are Leinart and White doing today? Exactly.

    If players don’t take the combine process seriously, then that is a very bad sign. Just like it was when JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf both showed up at the combine noticeably overweight.

    Also, with all things being equal, a QB with elite athleticism – as Luck and RG3 possess – will take you further than an average athlete at the position. Put it this way … Eli Manning is a better athlete than his brother. Peyton is smarter and more skilled, but Eli is more mobile, has a stronger arm, and is MUCH better at making plays when pressured, and at throwing downfield when rolling out of the pocket. So, the smarter, more skilled QB: better numbers and more consistent during the regular season, but a 9-10 playoff record. The more athletic QB: an 8-1 playoff record. Super Bowl wins: 2-1. Ben Roethlisberger: more of the same. He is a better athlete than Manning, makes more “athletic” plays when things break down, and has more Super Bowl wins than Manning will ever get as a result.

    I wish you folks would quit pretending as if NFL QBs are college professors or something. The NFL is a sport, and QBs are athletes – jocks – just like everybody else.
    ——–
    Couldn’t have said any of this better myself, so I’ll just re-post your brilliant statements.

    The NFL isn’t a drop back league anymore where you have any chance of fielding five Hall of Famers up front to protect your QB on a consistent enough basis, that even started being the case this past decade when we saw guys like Kurt Warner and Trent Green, both traditional drop back qBs, take a beating behind pretty good offensive lines.

    One guy was so dizzy when he left St. Louis, everyone thought he was done from the pounding he took, and Trent Green probably can’t remember his own phone number these days.

    QBs don’t have to be Michael Vick, but they need to be athletic with pretty good moves. Look at AAron Rodgers or Roethlisberger. They’re the new prototype at minimum while the Peyton Mannings and Tom Bradys are going the way of the dinosaur.

  19. peytonsneck18 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:34 PM

    Can folks leave race out of it!!!! I’m a Colts fan and we all know how infatuated Irsay is with Luck. RG3 to Browns and rest of drafts falls in place. And folks please put your crystals ball down and hang up on from the physhic hotline cause nobody will know if Luck a bust til several years in the NFL. Give it a rest folks!

  20. gacoltfan says: Feb 26, 2012 1:43 PM

    Suggesting RG3 over Luck because he runs a better 40 time is why writers write and GM’s draft.

  21. dlmcc1010 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:45 PM

    I dont put any stock into a QB’s 40 time or how high he can jump. Neither will the Colts. Andrew Luck is the obvious choice.

    A QB shouldnt be a statue out there like Drew Bledsoe used to be. Guys like Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben can move around the pocket and buy time if they have to. So can Andrew Luck. easy decision

  22. gacoltfan says: Feb 26, 2012 1:57 PM

    Wickerphil

    One problem with your analysis of playoff victories, Pittsburg and the Giants both have had a much better defenses. QB position is important, but defense does still matter just a little. Also noticed you conveniently didn’t mention Brady, guess that is contrary to your argument.

  23. gmsalpha says: Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM

    Who’s to say these guys won’t be like Elway and Marino? It really all depends on what kind of system you want and what kinds of pieces you put around whichever guy you select.

    Besides, all indications point to the good possibility that Reggie Wayne will go where Manning goes. And I even read Jeff Saturday could go too, providing Peyton with a lot of familiarity in his new destination. That also means the Colts will be even further depleted than they currently are, which is mind-boggling.

  24. steviemo says: Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM

    I love Griffin but Luck is a once-a-generation guy. Pass on him at your own risk.

    I’ve watched every one of his games for 3 years. He did it all with zero wide receivers. Just a phenomenal QB….

  25. couchfandotcom says: Feb 26, 2012 2:08 PM

    If Peyton were 100% then The Colts would go RG3. You can make an argument that he needs a season, maybe two to study the pro game. He could even be built in some packages during the season. (Wildcat, etc)

    Irsay wants Luck because he’s a day 1 starter, and Peyton is not returning to Indy.

    Yes, everyone can put their bust cards away for at least 2 years, The Colts are not going to be built to win for 2 seasons, they are reorganizing and re-loading talent… I don’t care who the QB is at Lucas Oil next season, there will be more L’s than W’s…

  26. yelix says: Feb 26, 2012 2:17 PM

    @realfootballfan

    Poor Trent. Really good QB who liked scrambling and blocking for his RBs a little too much. He might still be in the NFL if everyone around him hadn’t begged him to stop.

  27. whatswiththehate says: Feb 26, 2012 2:20 PM

    dryzzt23 says:Feb 26, 2012 12:43 PM

    The Colts were in this situation before with Manning v Leaf.

    Now its Luck v RG3

    Luck = Pro style QB
    RG3 = spread style QB

    Luck is the safer of the two and the Colts would be stupid to take RG3 over Luck
    ———-
    steviemo says:Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM

    I love Griffin but Luck is a once-a-generation guy. Pass on him at your own risk.

    I’ve watched every one of his games for 3 years. He did it all with zero wide receivers. Just a phenomenal QB….
    ————–
    Stevie, it’s not really racism because sadly the media has been dictating who’s going to be the next face of a franchise for years and has gone out of their way to not look bad by pumping up their chosen when they have accomplished something decent on the field, see Matt Stafford after 3 seasons of nothing, and playdown or simply ignore they suck, see Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert.

    The racism comes in when those who were quick to point out why Blaine should have been picked over Cam because he was the “safer pick” are now telling us to choose Luck over RG III because…you guess it…”He’s the safer pick.”

    Funny, I was watching basketball last night and what I found so facinating is how colorblind that sport really is. The guy who won the 3 point shoot-out was white and the guy who won the shoot-around was black. And you know, there wasn’t a hint of who was better. Every player was good at what they did.

    I seriously wonder when the NFL will truly be colorblind. Not have the majority of blacks in the “working man’s” positions. While the whites in the leader, QB, and safe, kicking, positions.

  28. whatswiththehate says: Feb 26, 2012 2:23 PM

    And…We all the Luck/Cam Newton comparison is for one reason and one reason only…to say we are just as athletic as you but we still don’t feel you are as good as us.

    When will all this insecure ish end.

  29. winkandthegun says: Feb 26, 2012 2:42 PM

    wickerphil says: Feb 26, 2012 12:35 PM

    Also, with all things being equal, a QB with elite athleticism – as Luck and RG3 possess – will take you further than an average athlete at the position. Put it this way … Eli Manning is a better athlete than his brother. Peyton is smarter and more skilled, but Eli is more mobile, has a stronger arm, and is MUCH better at making plays when pressured, and at throwing downfield when rolling out of the pocket. So, the smarter, more skilled QB: better numbers and more consistent during the regular season, but a 9-10 playoff record. The more athletic QB: an 8-1 playoff record. Super Bowl wins: 2-1. Ben Roethlisberger: more of the same. He is a better athlete than Manning, makes more “athletic” plays when things break down, and has more Super Bowl wins than Manning will ever get as a result.
    ————————————————-

    Whoa whoa whoa, hold on. Are you suggesting that Peyton wouldn’t have won the Super Bowls on those teams? All props to Eli and Ben, but they weren’t the driving factor behind their team.

  30. trojan33sc says: Feb 26, 2012 2:48 PM

    It’s amazing how statistically, categorically & physically how RGIII is better than the “Annointed One” Luck, and regardless the Colts will take Luck. Not that you can’t go wrong with either but in this case it seems very narrow minded. “whatever”

  31. anon5121 says: Feb 26, 2012 2:55 PM

    Peyton is smarter than Eli? Eli scored a 39 on his Wonderlic while Peyton scored a 28. Eli’s one of the most intelligent QB’s in the league. I’d say Peyton and Eli are equals in that department especially now since Eli is matching Peyton in terms of NFL experience.

  32. pilot2011 says: Feb 26, 2012 2:56 PM

    These comparisons are just silly. These 2 are nothing like each other and everyone of you knows it.

    Get on with it people.

  33. rcali says: Feb 26, 2012 3:02 PM

    Does anybody know what Jamarcus Russell’s long jump was? I’m guessing 8-10 inches.

  34. thompgk says: Feb 26, 2012 4:01 PM

    Newton easily beats them both with pads on

  35. ramofsteel says: Feb 26, 2012 5:10 PM

    Yeah, except Cam is hybrid and Luck is the more pure pocket passer.

  36. plum13sec says: Feb 26, 2012 5:19 PM

    Anyone want to bet that he will be listed as slower in Madden 13 than Cam was his rookie year? They have racial bias when it comes to that speed rating.

  37. mjkelly77 says: Feb 26, 2012 5:36 PM

    gmsalpha says:Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM

    Besides, all indications point to the good possibility that Reggie Wayne will go where Manning goes. And I even read Jeff Saturday could go too, providing Peyton with a lot of familiarity in his new destination.
    _____________________

    Are Reggie Wayne and Jeff Saturday done like Manning is? I didn’t know they’re all retiring from the NFL.

  38. rje49 says: Feb 26, 2012 6:16 PM

    Running and jumping stats are fine, but we DO realize a quarterback needs to be more than an athlete.
    Hmmm… I wonder how high Johnny Unitas could jump, or what Joe Montana did in the 40….

  39. catman72 says: Feb 26, 2012 7:55 PM

    Luck was impressive, but Cam’s athleticism goes way beyond just flat out speed or jumping ability… I’ve never seen a 6’5″ 250 lb man break ankles the way Cam did last year. That elusiveness and Cam’s arm strength are really what make him special.

    I think Luck will be very good, but to compare them as athletes is laughable.

  40. hotep999 says: Feb 26, 2012 8:05 PM

    per NFL.com official QB 40 time–
    Andrew Luck, Stanford: 4.67

  41. kbjssports says: Feb 27, 2012 1:10 AM

    At the end of the day the RGIII vs Luck debate will take possibly years to solve, even then the answer may be debated. As far as their rookie year, it will depend on the team around them. That has been true for every single Quarterback who has ever started in the NFL. If you have a team around you (particularly an offensive line) then you perform better. Cam Newton has Kalil and Gross at two key offensive line position. In addition, he has weapons and a run game. Weapons that include DeAngelo Williams, Johnathan Stewart, and that guy Steve Smith. That’s not mentioning a solid tight end corps. Give either Luck or RGIII the right system and they’ll flourish. They’re both smart guys who want to play football, success in the NFL isn’t a matter of playing by yourself.

  42. pantherdan says: Mar 15, 2012 1:06 AM

    I would bet anyone that RG3 will have the better season of the two and that neither of them will put together numbers anywhere close to what Cam did last season.

  43. pantherdan says: Mar 15, 2012 1:07 AM

    btw…luck is a jagoff

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