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No numbers exchanged in first Flacco, Ravens meeting

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Multiple reports emerged on Saturday that the Ravens and quarterback Joe Flacco had a “productive” initial meeting regarding a possible extension of Flacco’s rookie deal, which expires after the 2012 season.

And while it’s indeed possible for productive discussions to occur without money being directly discussed, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that no numbers were exchanged by the parties during the meeting.

The source says that another session is expected to occur in roughly 10 days.  The overriding goal will be to do a deal that holds up over time, taking into account the increases in the salary cap that will come as the new TV contracts kick in.

Agent Joe Linta has said that, if wins are the barometer, Flacco is a top-five quarterback.  We’ve heard that the final numbers are more likely to be in the range of the bottom of the top 10.

Unless, of course, Flacco rolls the dice in 2012 like Drew Brees did in 2011 — and ends up having a great season that culminates in hoisting a silver trophy that bears the name of one of Joe’s fellow Italians.

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  1. jpb12 says: Feb 26, 2012 12:02 PM

    Rodgers
    Brees
    Brady
    Manning (either one)
    Ben.

    All are better.

    This guy should be benchmarking Philip Rivers or Carson Palmer.

  2. ravenator says: Feb 26, 2012 12:05 PM

    This deal will get done. Oz is the best in the league. No way future restructures will be needed. Unlike the Steelers, Ravens know how to manage the cap.

  3. 3octaveFart says: Feb 26, 2012 12:07 PM

    Here’s a number for ya…
    0 Super Bowls.

  4. badrad1532 says: Feb 26, 2012 12:12 PM

    Ravens are only getting worse….by the day

  5. trbowman says: Feb 26, 2012 12:12 PM

    Top five QB money…..dream on.

  6. ericbleedspurple says: Feb 26, 2012 12:15 PM

    We need to get Flacco signed. Ravens fans remember the years we suffered spent without a quarterback. Joe is a very good quarterback.

  7. reed20ravens says: Feb 26, 2012 12:20 PM

    rome wasnt built in one day…
    We expect too much from a guy whos in his fourth year in the NFL. Yes he has a great defense and is so close to that elite level but you have to let him make mistakes. He has a bright future ahead of him.

  8. ndgarretjax says: Feb 26, 2012 12:26 PM

    Ozzy: We’ll pay you 10 million to shave that unibrow off

    Joe: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?

  9. The Buffer Zone says: Feb 26, 2012 12:43 PM

    Joe Flacco is probably the best QB the Ravens have ever had, but he is not in the Top 5 right now.

    He should have no problem getting paid like the 7th or 8th best QB because that’s about where he is right now. And even in the coming years when Tom Brady or others retire, guys like Cam Newton will slide ahead of Flacco to hold Top 5 status.

    None of that should take away from the talent that he is: An above average, very good QB.

    There are at least 22 teams out there that would kill to have Flacco as their Franchise QB.

    *Agent Note:
    Unless you’re Peyton Manning, “Wins” are a team effort.

  10. citizenstrange says: Feb 26, 2012 12:48 PM

    Here is a good way to tell who is an elite quarterback and who isn’t.

    What would their record be if their defense gave up/the opposing team’s offense scored 20 points every single game.

    There are LOTS of quarterbacks who would have winning records with the Ravens or Steelers defense.

  11. knowerofallthings says: Feb 26, 2012 12:50 PM

    He’s gonna get paid big time.

  12. bleed4philly says: Feb 26, 2012 12:53 PM

    They should take the 15 million Flacco wants and give it to Peyton Manning

  13. ravensspades says: Feb 26, 2012 1:14 PM

    People need to calm down, As a ravens fan I understand he is not top 5 but he is pretty darn good. A couple of catches and he is a whole lot better. He is only a four year guy. I believe in Flacco and I think he is our future

  14. rmc1995 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:19 PM

    Roethlisberger’s value is based on winning, certainly not for carrying an offense. The Steelers offense has never been higher than 7th and when they finished that high their season wasn’t that great. He’s had three seasons of 20 or more TDs. That’s it. Why do people consider Ben top 5? Because his team wins. Flacco doesn’t carry an offense either but his numbers are comparable if not better than Roethlisberger’s at this point in his career. It’s really not unreasonable for Joe to want Ben type money.

  15. golonger says: Feb 26, 2012 1:31 PM

    Wake up people….the “top 5″ thing is simply agent posturing. Neither Flacco nor his agent expect to receive that. You don’t start a negotiation with what you expect to get, you start it with a step higher so you have room to go down. Same with Rice and his desire to get AP money. Get a clue

  16. vincentbojackson says: Feb 26, 2012 1:37 PM

    Better pay this guy.

    We know from experience Flacco has the most fragile ego in the NFL.

    The guy needs daily positive reinforcement or he goes to pieces. If he gets offered middle-tier QB money he’s gonna come unglued.

  17. dlmcc1010 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:38 PM

    Joe Flacco getting top 5 money would be a further sign that the apocalypse is upon us. I can name ten that are better than he is. He is a good QB dont get me wrong. There is jhust no way he deserves elite QB money yet though

  18. waccoforflacco says: Feb 26, 2012 1:39 PM

    Steelers are sinking like a rock…will be bottom feeders this coming season.

  19. mlbbal52 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:46 PM

    Hey all the haters jumping on here and bashing Joe go somewhere else…worry about your own team and get off this dudes jock. The fact that you jump on every Raven or Flacco story to make your dumb remarks makes you look dumb…

  20. mlbbal52 says: Feb 26, 2012 1:55 PM

    Also for us Ravens fans I hate the Steelers just as much as you do…but we gotta stop jumping on here and saying they are going down and boasting about beating them twice this year. There have been plenty of times they swept us in the regular season and they have knocked us out of the playoffs more then we want to remember as well…let’s be proud of what our team did and where we are headed but don’t count them out they are a good organization and all the smack talk can easily come back to bite us in the A.

    Secondly all the Ravens bashers feel free to post your favorite team so we can point out their every deficiency and talk about what players are better then their top guys and what not. Quit hating…enjoy football!

  21. crusty14 says: Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM

    How exactly are the steelers sinking like a rock? Furthermore , what does this have to do with flacco asking for wacko money?

  22. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 26, 2012 2:12 PM

    citizenstrange says:
    Feb 26, 2012 12:48 PM
    Here is a good way to tell who is an elite quarterback and who isn’t.

    What would their record be if their defense gave up/the opposing team’s offense scored 20 points every single game.

    There are LOTS of quarterbacks who would have winning records with the Ravens or Steelers defense.
    —————————————————-

    Then answer this — why is it the Steelers went 6-10 with the QB they had the year before they drafted Roethlisberger. And 15-1 the first year he started?

    Same defense. Different QB.

    Can’t wait to hear your answer…

  23. 7370355q says: Feb 26, 2012 2:26 PM

    @ampatsisahypocrite

    The Ravens went 5-11 the year before they drafted Flacco and went 11-5 his 1st year and took them to the AFCCG (Flacco started all 16 games). Roethlisberger went 15-1 but also only started 13 of those 16 games. Still a hell of a record for both of them though.

  24. frankvzappa says: Feb 26, 2012 2:38 PM

    “Let’s hear it for another great Italian, Al Di Meola, ladies and gentlemen.”

  25. watermelon1 says: Feb 26, 2012 3:22 PM

    Why would they be “taking into account the new TV contracts?”

    Joe Flacco is NOT why anyone watched the Ravens on TV. He’s NOT why fans go to watch the Ravens in person. Flacco should not be getting paid more than anyone on the defense.

    Baltimore has won the division just ONCE since Flacco has been there. So he finally did that, and he played just okay against a horrible New England Patriots defense… and he thinks he’s proven he’s worth a huge contract?

    Normally, teams gamble with a huge contract on a rookie QB they took in the first round. But after you’ve seen Flacco for 4 full years, with really NO improvement in his individual play… it would seem even more crass to give him a huge contract.

  26. watermelon1 says: Feb 26, 2012 3:32 PM

    7370355q says: Feb 26, 2012 2:26 PM

    The Ravens went 5-11 the year before they drafted Flacco and went 11-5 his 1st year and took them to the AFCCG (Flacco started all 16 games). Roethlisberger went 15-1 but also only started 13 of those 16 games. Still a hell of a record for both of them though.
    =======================

    You conveniently failed to acknowledge that the year before Flacco got there… the Ravens entire starting defense was injured. Billick knew he was out of there by Week 8, and the team had given up. Even when the offense did get in a position to score a long field goal, Billick would opt to punt instead.

    The year before that 5-11 season you speak of… the Ravens had their best record in franchise history… going 13-3. Flacco’s rookie season was more about the key pieces of that 13-3 team coming back from injury, than it was about Flacco.

    Roethlisberger also came on to a very talented team, but a very old one. What he did that Flacco hasn’t done yet for the Ravens…. is he didn’t screw it up for them. That’s why he has 2 rings and Flacco has 0.

    After that first Super Bowl win for Ben… most of the Steelers had to be turned over due to age. He basically turned an almost exclusive running team into an almost exclusive passing team. The Ravens have tried year after year to prove they are a passing team now… but Flacco just hasn’t been able to back it up.

  27. rmc1995 says: Feb 26, 2012 4:21 PM

    The Steelers we’re 6-10 prior to Roethlisberger and 15-1 his rookie season with basically the same defense because the Steelers changed offense to adapt to a rookie QB. The Steelers rushed for nearly 1000 more yards than the year prior. In 2002 the Steelers were 10-5-1. Maddox threw for almost 2900 yards in 11 starts and with Stewart they passed for over 4,000 yards and still had over 2000the yards rushing. In 2002 it was the last time the steelers finished in top 5 offense. In the 2003 season the Steelers thought they were a passing team and they suffered relying on Maddox. When Maddox went down Cowher came to his senses and ran the ball more often and made the defense even better. Ben managed the game and made plays but never had to carry the offense.

  28. danrooneyii says: Feb 26, 2012 4:35 PM

    When your running back is the star player in your offense, you have problems. Ravens lost their last chance at a SB with the core they have after their ‘star addition’ Lee Evans dropped a pass that landed right in his hands.

  29. 7370355q says: Feb 26, 2012 4:38 PM

    @watermelon1

    I am not saying that Flacco is in Roethlisberger’s class. I am an objective enough fan to acknowledge that Roethlisberger is a superior quarterback to Flacco both in terms of super bowl wins and at times statistics. However it becomes continually frustrating and dizzying to repeatedly hear from pundits and fans of other teams that Flacco’s job is to not “screw it up.” When over the past two postseasons it was the receivers, not Flacco, who “screwed up.” Granted Flacco did throw an unforgivable interception to Clark last year in the AFCDG, but Boldin also dropped a well placed touchdown pass that would have put the Ravens ahead and in the end would have won the game, and there was the pass that Houshmandzadeh dropped on 4th down that would have resulted in first (what happens after that is anyone’s guess). And I would imagine that your memory dates back to the Lee Evans dropped pass in the end zone that would have won the game for the Ravens and put them back in the super bowl for only the 2nd time in franchise history and would have been a rematch of their first and only super bowl win/appearance in franchise history. So please, a little objectivity goes a long way…

    And you are wrong in regards to the reason why the Ravens had a 5-11 season in 2007. Unlike how you wrongfully said our entire defense was injured, Ray Lewis was the only key cog of the Ravens defense to miss a game that season (2), ed reed, suggs, ngata all played a full 16 game season (You can fact check me, but I looked it up). The 5-11 season was due to the culmination of mcnair’s deteriorating arm strength and the fact that kyle boller backed him up and thus had to play. Flacco has brought stability and prospering play to the qb position and the franchise of the baltimore ravens. The Ravens never used to have consecutive winning seasons yet alone consecutive seasons with postseason appearances before Flacco came to Baltimore. Flacco has done all of that for four straight years, and I hope he continues to do that, while shutting up people like you in the process.

  30. citizenstrange says: Feb 26, 2012 4:59 PM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Feb 26, 2012 2:12 PM

    Then answer this — why is it the Steelers went 6-10 with the QB they had the year before they drafted Roethlisberger. And 15-1 the first year he started?

    Same defense. Different QB.

    Can’t wait to hear your answer…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You do know that the Steelers are 4-1 the past two years when Roethlisberger did not start right?

  31. ravenator says: Feb 26, 2012 5:18 PM

    Steelers were swept by the Ravens and tebow’d out of the playoffs. Until they redeem themselves Steeler fans should really quit talking.

  32. marshmont says: Feb 26, 2012 5:52 PM

    flacco’s agent is working for his client. what should he be saying? if you go by wins, flacco is pretty good. all other qb’s are the reason their teams win, but with flacco it’s not him. he has had a few nationally televised stinkers but he can lead the team to victory.

  33. crawdaddy1212 says: Feb 26, 2012 6:26 PM

    P. Manning
    E. Manning
    Rodgers
    Brady
    Brees
    Roethlisberger
    Rivers
    Stafford
    Romo
    Vick

    The names listed above (not in order) are in my opinion the clear cut top 10 QBs in the nfl. Flacco is noticeably less talented than any of the QBs on this list and should be paid accordingly.

    He falls somewhere in the 11-20 grouping- i.e. lower end franchise QBs and young QB prospects such as:

    Schaub, Cutler, Ryan, Newton, Dalton, ect

  34. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 26, 2012 6:33 PM

    citizenstrange says:
    Feb 26, 2012 4:59 PM

    You do know that the Steelers are 4-1 the past two years when Roethlisberger did not start right?

    ———————————

    Way to duck the question, dude. Again, the Steelers go 6-10 the year before Ben, with the exact same defense. You clowns who act like the Steelers could win with any old QB in there really crack me up.

    Yeah, I saw the games with Batch. They’d have lost to Cleveland the first game if Roethlisberger hadn’t limped back on that bum ankle — believe me. The Rams game was a struggle to the end too. Oh and keep in mind, junior, last season the Steelers lose to Baltimore with Batch, and beat the Ravens twice with Ben. Sorry, you lose.

    The Steelers are a 6-10 team without Ben.

  35. ravensfan4life52 says: Feb 26, 2012 6:47 PM

    @watermelon1

    Look at the pieces that Roethlesberger had on offense when he joined the Steelers. Now look who Flacco had. I think you’ll see a significant difference.

  36. blacknole08 says: Feb 26, 2012 6:57 PM

    What Flacco should do is wait til Matt Ryan gets his money from the Falcons. Then re-negotiate. He would have a great case then.

  37. rmc1995 says: Feb 26, 2012 8:16 PM

    @ampatsisahypocrite
    Typical Steelers fan who can’t see anything wrong with Roethlisberger. Ben left with the lead against the Browns. The defense allowed 0 points after Ben came limping back in. Given that Batch or any other QB could have easily played the second half to victory.

    In fact the defense had to bail Ben out again after he threw a terrible ball into coverage for an int with a receiver wide open at the first down marker.

    His insistence to play the Niners game lost them the division.

    Ben plays in a pass first offense and can’t throw for more than 21 TDs.

    In 4 seasons Joe has three seasons with 20 or more TDs and three seasons with 3500 or more yards. All in a run oriented offense. In 8 seasons Ben has three seasons with 20 or more TDs and three seasons with more than 3500. The last three seasons have been a passing offense for the Steelers and they can’t break a top 5 offense. There offense is so ineffective as a passing offense that many still think they are a running team.

    Joe has started ever game in four seasons. Ben has only played in all 16 games once in 8 seasons.

  38. bostonteparty says: Feb 26, 2012 8:53 PM

    As a patriots fans, I am rooting for a deal to get done. Fine by me if the ravens want to waste their talented roster with a mediocre QB.

  39. blacknole08 says: Feb 26, 2012 9:06 PM

    This Ravens/Steelers banter about whether Flacco is above average is stupid. When Roethlisberger came into the league he was the product of a great defense (yet he got all the credit for a 14-0 regular season record as a rookie starter) and a good defense that beat the top 3 seeds as the #6 seed in 2005 to win the Super Bowl (Many say the refs helped, but that’s neither here or there). In that time and with all that early success and not as much pressure Roethlisberger was given a chance to grow and become the QB he is now.

    Flacco came into the league with the same thing. Ravens had the defense and running game; they just needed a Franchise QB, like PIT did in 2004. Unfortunately for him, the AFC was already stacked with great teams around him, so he doesn’t have the SB rings, although he’s had his chances (at least 3 Good chances) in his first 4 years in the league.

    That speaks measures about Flacco because his team is always in the discussion as far as Super Bowl contenders go (and he’s the only QB to win a playoff game in his first four seasons). So he will probably get one fairly soon.

    But Flacco really needs to shut his mouth and just prove ppl wrong because it just comes off as him crying. Other than that he should at least be in the discussion for top 10 QB.

  40. crawdaddy1212 says: Feb 26, 2012 9:28 PM

    I remember when fans used to compare guys like Rivers to Roethlisberger and the argument was always playoff wins/4th qtr comebacks vs stats.

    With Flacco however, he’s conceding both of these metrics to Ben by a significant margin. I’m looking right now at YPA (8.02 vs 7.06), completion percentage (63.1 vs 60.8), and quarterback rating (92.1 vs 86 flat). 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives are (20 vs 6) and (26 vs 11) respectively.

    In any case, Ben has built his legacy on the number of moments late in games where he’s come through for his team rather than by sheer passing stats. Flacco seriously needs to improve his stats or his playoff performances before anyone can legitimately argue that he belongs in the upper echelon of NFL QB’s without coming across as a flagrant homer.

  41. raven4life21 says: Feb 26, 2012 11:31 PM

    his agent is just arguing that to bring the most arguable reason for a nice paycheck increase that’s all, yes Joe has an incredible defense he plays with but i have rarely seen games when the biggest reason for the loss was because of Joe Flacco, the man has had a gradual increase in stats each year even though this year he kinda went up and down in a few stats he hasn’t necissarily declined very much at all in any category (maybe a few more INT’s this year) but overall has done a tremendous job for us fans here in Baltimore and we are incredibly grateful to have him as our QB IMO, id take him over Kyle Boller ANY DAY, he is incredibly tough cuz he can take a big hits all day long, be knocked flat on his ass and stand up like nothing happened, once these young recievers start coming along a little more i believe he is gonna make some people eat their words. He played a tremendous game in the AFC Championship game and he won’t be noticed cuz it was a loss (even though the Pats were outplayed almost everywhere) and he outshined Tom Brady on a national stage, do I believe he should get Top 5 money?? No, but he def should get a solid increase for sure, i’d say Top 10 depending on your choices, but regardless, the contract needs to be in tuned with the rest of the team so we can keep some great people around this year. Go get em Joe!

  42. raven4life21 says: Feb 26, 2012 11:34 PM

    rmc1995…

    well put my friend… well put.. i never thought Big Ben was that great either except his scrambling ability and 4th Quarter comback ability…

  43. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 27, 2012 12:50 AM

    blacknole08 says:
    Feb 26, 2012 9:06 PM
    This Ravens/Steelers banter about whether Flacco is above average is stupid. When Roethlisberger came into the league he was the product of a great defense (yet he got all the credit for a 14-0 regular season record as a rookie starter) and a good defense that beat the top 3 seeds as the #6 seed in 2005 to win the Super Bowl (Many say the refs helped, but that’s neither here or there). In that time and with all that early success and not as much pressure Roethlisberger was given a chance to grow and become the QB he is now.
    —————————————————

    Ah, the myth of the “Steeler defense does everything, wins everything” in action…

    The FACT is, the “good defense” didn’t “beat the top 3 seeds” alone in ’05 — it was Roethlisberger’s PASSING that carried the team on that three game run to the Super Bowl. The running game, so good in the regular season, had DISAPPEARED in the playoffs — it was Roethlisberger’s 95, 125 and 145 rating-game masterpieces that carried the day. Without these three amazing passing performances, the Steelers never get to the Super Bowl — regardless of what the defense did. THIS is what the haters, the guys who want who whine that “Ben got all the credit for what the defense did” just don’t get. Look it up — see how poorly Bettis and Parker did, then check out the three amazing passing performances leading up to the Super Bowl by Ben.

    Likewise, the run game contributed very little to Super Bowl run #2, it was Roethlisberger’s passing that carried the offense. That’s what smart Steeler fans know, and dumb haters don’t.
    It was defense AND ROETHLISBERGER’S PASSING that won it all, with the run game again contributing nothing.

    This is the standard for Flacco and the other North QBs. When they can carry their offenses for TWO entire championship playoff runs like Ben did, they can be put into his category. Until then, they can’t. It’s really that simple.

    I invite you to go back and check the stats for the ’05 playoff run, blacknole — see what Parker and Bettis did (actually DIDN’T do) — then look at what Ben did WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF ANY RUN SUPPORT WHATSOEVER. This was one of the most amazing three-game playoff runs EVER put up by a QB — and what makes Ben truly elite.

  44. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 27, 2012 1:05 AM

    And just for your benefit, here’s a summary of that ’05 playoff run:

    ———————————————–
    Quarterback: Roethlisberger (2385 passing yards, 17 TD, 9 INT) had an outstanding regular season, posting a 98.6 passer rating and generally displaying the presence that led him to be named 2004 NFL Rookie of the Year, but reserved his best play for the postseason. “Big Ben” is 49-of-72 passing (68.1 percent) for 680 yards with seven touchdowns and just one interception through three 2005 playoff games, for a lusty passer rating of 124.8.

    Running Backs: The Steelers running game has struggled somewhat during the playoffs, with both Willie Parker (1202 rushing yards, 18 receptions, 5 TD), and Jerome Bettis (368 rushing yards, 9 TD) averaging well under four yards per carry. Parker has just 132 yards on 47 carries (2.8 avg.) on the ground…
    ——————————————–

    That’s right, Ben AVERAGES a 125 passer rating while his run support DISAPPEARS altogether — do you see the picture NOW? THAT my friends is called CARRYING your offense, not game-managing, and until Flacco can pull off this kind of thing, it’s Ben, Ben, Ben and MORE Ben.

    Again, truly one of the best three-game playoff runs by any QB in any era… sorry, but the “defense did everything” hater theory just won’t wash.

    Carrying your offense — THAT my friends is what the franchise QB does. The North has one franchise QB: Big Ben Roethlisberger.

  45. CKL says: Feb 27, 2012 2:03 AM

    E. Manning and BR didn’t have any great (as in ELITE/TOP 5) seasons before they got their big contracts either. What they did have was QBing a team that won a ring. I personally think that’s not a great way to judge QBs, strictly by rings, but to a team handing out a big deal for top money to a QB, they doubtless feel better for knowing their team has won a championship with that guy even if he wasn’t the main reason for it.

    That’s the nature of QBs…the younger ones who have shown a little bit are always going to get a lot of money because replacing even an above average singular position type player ( meaning only one guy can be a starter there at a time) is much more difficult than replacing a CB or LB. The bad thing for Flacco is that his contract is up before Ryan’s so Ryan will likely get more money and in my book , that isn’t fair.

  46. naanunaanu says: Feb 27, 2012 10:21 AM

    mlbbal52 says:
    Feb 26, 2012 1:55 PM
    Also for us Ravens fans I hate the Steelers just as much as you do…but we gotta stop jumping on here and saying they are going down and boasting about beating them twice this year. There have been plenty of times they swept us in the regular season and they have knocked us out of the playoffs more then we want to remember as well…let’s be proud of what our team did and where we are headed but don’t count them out they are a good organization and all the smack talk can easily come back to bite us in the A.

    Secondly all the Ravens bashers feel free to post your favorite team so we can point out their every deficiency and talk about what players are better then their top guys and what not. Quit hating…enjoy football!

    FOR THE WIN !!!

  47. woski767 says: Feb 28, 2012 4:31 PM

    Flacco’s numbers are kind of skewed. Any quarterback is gonna put up good stats, when they Ray Rice do dump off to. If Baltimore fans want Check Down Charlie as their franchise QB, then so be it. As Lamar Woodley said “not in this lifetime.”

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